Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Just think the six year contract David Moyes signed when he became Manchester United manager runs out this summer.
And what has Koop got to show for all the money he’s spent ? Nothing. OGS hasn’t been in the job 5 minutes. No good blaming UTD for your team’s inadequacies.
Inadequacies?
We're likely to finish on 97 points.
Klopp's net spend is circa £120 million in four years.
City's under Pep is close to £600 million
United's since Klopp took over Pool is close to £400 million.
Points don’t make prizes. No current premiership manager has spent as much as Klopp and failed to win anything. Guardiola has won the premier League title and a couple of cup competitions and looks likely to win the premier league again. LFC could have won the title under Rogers but for Gerrard’s slip. Don’t suppose too many Red men blamed Gerrard for that. It’s always someone else’s fault with Liverpool fans.
They have arrangements with the EU that have been declared “not Brexit”.
Switzerland and Norway are not in the EU. They are contented, prosperprous countries.
Many leavers (such as myself) would have been prepared to stay in a reformed EU.
No evidence has been presented that the EU is capable of Reform. The Remainers by and large do not even see that reform of the EU is urgently needed.
However, I would be happy with Remain, provided we then get Corbyn as PM.
Let Remainers pay for their hobbyhorse. Let’s see massive transfers of wealth from the prosperous parts of London and the South East to the forgotten people in Stoke or Sunderland or South Wales.
What I am not happy about is cancelling Brexit, and continuing on the same merry unequal path, in which the benefits of the EU are shared by the highly affluent in a few parts of the country.
Remain, but let the Remainers pay for it.
The UK economy is hugely imbalanced, but surely EU membership is a mitigating factor rather than an exacerbating factor. The imbalances mostly stem from the Thatcherite remaking of the country, and perhaps from a loss of responsibility among the ruling classes.
Rebalancing would involve restoring local democracy, fixing the electoral system, establishing regional governments, moving the capital, definancialisation, a more active business incubation policy based around the universities, and an honest debate about the future of smaller towns.
Blowing up our trade arrangements, minimising our soft power, destroying a number of high-tech industries and handing Vladimir Putin his biggest foreign policy win doesn't seem like the right cure to me.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Yes, Wolves was the better game tonight. I can see them making top 6 next season. All of Chelsea, Man U, and even Spurs and Arsenal look vulnerable.
They have arrangements with the EU that have been declared “not Brexit”.
Switzerland and Norway are not in the EU. They are contented, prosperprous countries.
Many leavers (such as myself) would have been prepared to stay in a reformed EU.
No evidence has been presented that the EU is capable of Reform. The Remainers by and large do not even see that reform of the EU is urgently needed.
However, I would be happy with Remain, provided we then get Corbyn as PM.
Let Remainers pay for their hobbyhorse. Let’s see massive transfers of wealth from the prosperous parts of London and the South East to the forgotten people in Stoke or Sunderland or South Wales.
What I am not happy about is cancelling Brexit, and continuing on the same merry unequal path, in which the benefits of the EU are shared by the highly affluent in a few parts of the country.
Remain, but let the Remainers pay for it.
The UK economy is hugely imbalanced, but surely EU membership is a mitigating factor rather than an exacerbating factor. The imbalances mostly stem from the Thatcherite remaking of the country, and perhaps from a loss of responsibility among the ruling classes.
Rebalancing would involve restoring local democracy, fixing the electoral system, establishing regional governments, moving the capital, definancialisation, a more active business incubation policy based around the universities, and an honest debate about the future of smaller towns.
Blowing up our trade arrangements, minimising our soft power, destroying a number of high-tech industries and handing Vladimir Putin his biggest foreign policy win doesn't seem like the right cure to me.
Indeed, it is the EU rather than Westminster governments that has been most redistributive in terms of regional policy. Leavers are very good at cutting off their noses.
Crazy. Could they all be Kipper/Brexit plants to destroy their credibility?
TBF, I think it would massively hypocritical for people on our side to criticise Nora Mulready for making similar arguments to Douglas Murray or Michael Gove. But, it won't help them with their target voters.
Yes of course. I haven’t criticised what they’ve said, you just wouldn’t think the party they represent would have allowed them to stand without checking them out.
I’d have more respect for those who stand on the shaky moral high ground when it comes to criticising Leave inclined people who make such mistakes if they did so for this lot now though.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
If Arsenal and Chelsea finish 5th and 6th and make it to the Europa League final it should be a nail biting night
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
That’s mathematically impossible, who would be in third in that scenario?
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
If Arsenal and Chelsea finish 5th and 6th and make it to the Europa League final it should be a nail biting night
Would Utd then fail to qualify for Europe in 4th (as Arsenal or the Chavs qualify as UEFA cup winners?)
The Mueller report provides strong prima facile evidence that there is an unindicted criminal in the White House. Congress can’t ignore its constitutional responsibilities.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
If Arsenal and Chelsea finish 5th and 6th and make it to the Europa League final it should be a nail biting night
Would Utd then fail to qualify for Europe in 4th (as Arsenal or the Chavs qualify as UEFA cup winners?)
Not sure, I’d assumed there’d be 5 English teams in the CL if that happened.
(CNN)Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg picked up his first endorsement from a member of Congress on Wednesday when Rep. Don Beyer from Virginia announced his support for the South Bend, Indiana, mayor.
Edit; Actually his reply is not entirely clear. Is he advising the gay MPs to undergo conversion therapy?
It’s a perfectly clear Polish Catholic position - particularly if you want to win elections in Poland. Problem for him and Tusk’s party generally is that they weren’t conservative enough so were voted out by the Tories ECR allies. However if you intend to run for election in London.....
Still what is the lesson learned - if you want to go into politics quit Twitter for several years beforehand or don’t be honest about what you think or have any controversial opinions.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
That’s mathematically impossible, who would be in third in that scenario?
Edit; Actually his reply is not entirely clear. Is he advising the gay MPs to undergo conversion therapy?
It’s a perfectly clear Polish Catholic position - particularly if you want to win elections in Poland. Problem for him and Tusk’s party generally is that they weren’t conservative enough so were voted out by the Tories ECR allies. However if you intend to run for election in London.....
Still what is the lesson learned - if you want to go into politics quit Twitter for several years beforehand or don’t be honest about what you think or have any controversial opinions.
There is now only one allowable opinion - i.e. that of the hardcore identitarian Left - and, to make thing worse, this accepted opinion shifts all the time, so what was perfectly respectable 5 years ago, even 3, now looks outrageous and earns a brisk sacking,
How many able politicians can match this standard? None. This new rule means you essentially can't have any prior opinions at all, in case they go out of fashion. Even Andrew Marr was nearly lynched on Twitter yesterday,
We will end up governed by a class of neutered halfwits, if we aren't already. An idiocracy. And maybe it is their turn. The idiots shall inherit the earth.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Yes, that is very possible. Presumably means more Tory losses.
We shall have some proper results in a few weeks, not just these surveys.
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
That’s mathematically impossible, who would be in third in that scenario?
Bizarrely Man U suddenly look like they have a decent chance of top 4.
If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Man Utd finishing 4th, with Spurs and Arsenal or Chelsea 5th and 6th but both winning European trophies would be perfect.
That’s mathematically impossible, who would be in third in that scenario?
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Yes, that is very possible. Presumably means more Tory losses.
We shall have some proper results in a few weeks, not just these surveys.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I thought of this the other day. PM Farage could offer the SNP independence without a referendum.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
A crude measure would be to add 6% to the UKIP score in 2015, knock 13% off the Conservative score, and leave the Labour score unchanged. That would see Brexit gain Thurrock, Thanet South, Boston & Skegness, Rochester & Strood, Clacton, and run very close in Hartlepool, Castle Point and Dagenham & Rainham.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I thought of this the other day. PM Farage could offer the SNP independence without a referendum.
I think he did once say that in the end it would be the English getting rid of Scotland rather than the other way round.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Sturgeon is throwing meat to her members, before a conference. She wants to ask for a vote and be turned down by Westminster. She will probably get what she wants.
Edit; Actually his reply is not entirely clear. Is he advising the gay MPs to undergo conversion therapy?
It’s a perfectly clear Polish Catholic position - particularly if you want to win elections in Poland. Problem for him and Tusk’s party generally is that they weren’t conservative enough so were voted out by the Tories ECR allies. However if you intend to run for election in London.....
Still what is the lesson learned - if you want to go into politics quit Twitter for several years beforehand or don’t be honest about what you think or have any controversial opinions.
There is now only one allowable opinion - i.e. that of the hardcore identitarian Left - and, to make thing worse, this accepted opinion shifts all the time, so what was perfectly respectable 5 years ago, even 3, now looks outrageous and earns a brisk sacking,
How many able politicians can match this standard? None. This new rule means you essentially can't have any prior opinions at all, in case they go out of fashion. Even Andrew Marr was nearly lynched on Twitter yesterday,
We will end up governed by a class of neutered halfwits, if we aren't already. An idiocracy. And maybe it is their turn. The idiots shall inherit the earth.
Quite. Reminds me of a quote by Bill Rodgers (he of the SDP Gang of Four) when commenting on the cut and thrust of political debate: "the opposite of politics is zealotry". And there is definitely zealotry at work here in the actions of the 'Grievance Archeologists' (hat tip TGOHF)
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
The Scots remain as opposed to independence as they were 5 years ago. The Brexit vote was the dog that did not bark.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Sturgeon is throwing meat to her members, before a conference. She wants to ask for a vote and be turned down by Westminster. She will probably get what she wants.
I am not saying that there would be no issues with a Scottish border, but it would be peaceful. If rUK stays in the CU the issues are less.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
So we will be left with clowns and chancers who know how to preach to the converted, who will, in turn, be defended by that tribe? Grim.
To be fair, Britain is hardly alone, the same phenomenon can be seen across the West. Maybe liberal democracy is finished, and the Chinese have the answer. I have seldom been this pessimistic about political trends.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
I think we're back to @isam 's shibboleth again. It's tribal. And if you can demonstrate fealty to the tribe, they will forgive you damn nearly anything.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
I think we're back to @isam 's shibboleth again. It's tribal. And if you can demonstrate fealty to the tribe, they will forgive you damn nearly anything.
Agreed. Politics is turning into a kind of super partisan football-hooligan-ish tribalism. As long as you support the Gunners (or Spurs, Man U, Chelsea, Scunthorpe, Leyton Orient, whatever) then it doesn't matter what you say or think or how clever or gifted you might be, or what good you could do for the country: you're on our side, or you are the hated enemy who must be beaten up. It is terrifically sad.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
The Scots remain as opposed to independence as they were 5 years ago. The Brexit vote was the dog that did not bark.
Provided we avoid No Deal Yes to independence is unlikely to get a majority
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
So we will be left with clowns and chancers who know how to preach to the converted, who will, in turn, be defended by that tribe? Grim.
To be fair, Britain is hardly alone, the same phenomenon can be seen across the West. Maybe liberal democracy is finished, and the Chinese have the answer. I have seldom been this pessimistic about political trends.
Just because democracy sometimes elects right-wing or left-wing populists that hardly stops it being democracy, if the only democracy allowed is one which elects liberal centrists then that is not really a democracy at all is it!
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
I agree, but it really only matters if it pisses off your core voters, and it doesnt seem to for many of these. After all, if you are homophobic or anti semitic, then seeing your candidate express those views is hardly a dealbreaker.
I think we're back to @isam 's shibboleth again. It's tribal. And if you can demonstrate fealty to the tribe, they will forgive you damn nearly anything.
Indeed. Even the Real IRA will be forgiven the murder of the journalist in due course by their tribe, and will get grants and kudos.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Scottish independence would be easier than Brexit because at its core it involves something tangible and deliverable - a transfer of sovereignty.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Scottish independence would be easier than Brexit because at its core it involves something tangible and deliverable - a transfer of sovereignty.
This is fairytale nonsense. From the currency to the central bank to immigration, to the BBC the monarchy and the rest, Scottish independence would make Brexit look like a misguided holiday marred by rain. For the next two or three decades it would dominate political life, even more in Edinburgh than in London. And for what, if the alternative is Scotland joining the EU and submitting to the rule of Brussels?
All the very strong arguments AGAINST Brexit would be multiplied. I don't think Scots want the arse-ache as my granddad used to put it. But stranger things have happened - eg Brexit.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
He's actually not a Marxist (though some colleagues are) or an antisemite, but I take your general point. I think you do have to reckon your past views will be exposed if you go into politics. You then have to decide if you're embarrassed by them, in which case you say so, or merely say without fuss that you've moved on. What you can't do is hide from your former self.
I was a Communist in my teens. I told voters about it early on without having to - not apologetically, just as a fact; I said truthfully that I still thought the idea of "from each according to ability, to each according to need" was the way to live in private life, and it would be nice if it worked at Government level. But I'd come to feel that, sadly, it didn't. I never met a voter who was bothered by my past views and I was re-elected twice afterwards in what had always been a Tory seat. People are sensible, by and large, and they recognise that we all evolve.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Scottish independence would be easier than Brexit because at its core it involves something tangible and deliverable - a transfer of sovereignty.
This is fairytale nonsense. From the currency to the central bank to immigration, to the BBC the monarchy and the rest, Scottish independence would make Brexit look like a misguided holiday marred by rain. For the next two or three decades it would dominate political life, even more in Edinburgh than in London. And for what, if the alternative is Scotland joining the EU and submitting to the rule of Brussels?
All the very strong arguments AGAINST Brexit would be multiplied. I don't think Scots want the arse-ache as my granddad used to put it. But stranger things have happened - eg Brexit.
You voted Remain but you think being in the EU means "submitting to the rule of Brussels"?
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
Encouraging the breakup of a country is not the act of a friendly power
And some on here revel in it.
I know. Brexit has induced hysteria in otherwise sensible people. An interesting UnHerd article today made this point very well. "Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, people cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning." https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Scottish independence would be easier than Brexit because at its core it involves something tangible and deliverable - a transfer of sovereignty.
This is fairytale nonsense. From the currency to the central bank to immigration, to the BBC the monarchy and the rest, Scottish independence would make Brexit look like a misguided holiday marred by rain. For the next two or three decades it would dominate political life, even more in Edinburgh than in London. And for what, if the alternative is Scotland joining the EU and submitting to the rule of Brussels?
All the very strong arguments AGAINST Brexit would be multiplied. I don't think Scots want the arse-ache as my granddad used to put it. But stranger things have happened - eg Brexit.
You voted Remain but you think being in the EU means "submitting to the rule of Brussels"?
One of those stranger things that happened presumably.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
I voted Remain but claiming the "border issues are less than in Ireland" is a stretch (violence aside). If we Leave without a SM/CU deal then cutting the United Kingdom in half would be apocalyptic, particularly for the Scottish economy. If Brexit proves anything it proves that undoing old unions is a bloody nightmare, and Sindy would be worse than Brexit, times 12. It would consume both sides for twenty years.
Scottish independence would be easier than Brexit because at its core it involves something tangible and deliverable - a transfer of sovereignty.
This is fairytale nonsense. From the currency to the central bank to immigration, to the BBC the monarchy and the rest, Scottish independence would make Brexit look like a misguided holiday marred by rain. For the next two or three decades it would dominate political life, even more in Edinburgh than in London. And for what, if the alternative is Scotland joining the EU and submitting to the rule of Brussels?
All the very strong arguments AGAINST Brexit would be multiplied. I don't think Scots want the arse-ache as my granddad used to put it. But stranger things have happened - eg Brexit.
You voted Remain but you think being in the EU means "submitting to the rule of Brussels"?
Yes. Because I agree with handing over this sovereignty to the EU because it assists us all. I'm not sure many starry eyed Yes voters feel the same way but we will have to see, should they get a vote.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
He's actually not a Marxist (though some colleagues are) or an antisemite, but I take your general point. I think you do have to reckon your past views will be exposed if you go into politics. You then have to decide if you're embarrassed by them, in which case you say so, or merely say without fuss that you've moved on. What you can't do is hide from your former self.
I was a Communist in my teens. I told voters about it early on without having to - not apologetically, just as a fact; I said truthfully that I still thought the idea of "from each according to ability, to each according to need" was the way to live in private life, and it would be nice if it worked at Government level. But I'd come to feel that, sadly, it didn't. I never met a voter who was bothered by my past views and I was re-elected twice afterwards in what had always been a Tory seat. People are sensible, by and large, and they recognise that we all evolve.
Bravely said, but imagine if your past was not communist, but Catholic, and you had therefore expressed mainstream 20th century Catholic views on homosexuality? That they are sinners destined to burn in hell? That wouldn't look so good now and you might have to resign, it's a lottery, essentially
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
He's actually not a Marxist (though some colleagues are) or an antisemite, but I take your general point. I think you do have to reckon your past views will be exposed if you go into politics. You then have to decide if you're embarrassed by them, in which case you say so, or merely say without fuss that you've moved on. What you can't do is hide from your former self.
I was a Communist in my teens. I told voters about it early on without having to - not apologetically, just as a fact; I said truthfully that I still thought the idea of "from each according to ability, to each according to need" was the way to live in private life, and it would be nice if it worked at Government level. But I'd come to feel that, sadly, it didn't. I never met a voter who was bothered by my past views and I was re-elected twice afterwards in what had always been a Tory seat. People are sensible, by and large, and they recognise that we all evolve.
Nick - I know I hold different views from you on many things, but I strongly support your last paragraph. I know I have evolved. I am worried that people are changing though - I despair how social media and 24 hour rolling news have increased the width of information we get but reduced the depth to fit our smaller attention span. We judge too quickly and don't think enough.
What muppets the 1922 Committee are. They’d rather have a Marxist like Corbyn as PM than a Brexiteer like Boris. Keeping May in place can only be good for Corbyn and McDonnell. RIP the Conservative Party. Labour will wreck the country and there are no Tory MPs who voted to keep May in place who deserve to retain their seats.
Wreck the country!!
They have been beaten to it by Cameron and May
Very funny - after the car crash that was Brown, you mean. Labour have always wrecked the economy and emulating Venezuela as Corbyn and McDonnell seek to do is simply insane.
Always? Labour inherited a mess from the Tories in 1964 for which outgoing Tory Chancellor - Reginald Maudling - apologised to his Labour successor. When Wilson's Government left office in June 1970 , it bequeathed both a strong Balance of Payments surplus and a Budget Surplus to Ted Heath. No outgoing Tory Government has managed to do either! Indeed , in March 1974 Labour was faced with the 3-Day Week - 13.5% inflation - a big Balance of Payments Deficit and weak Public Finances - a scenario far worse than inherited by Thatcher in May 1979.
Er, Labour’s grand 1964 National Plan caused the devaluation of 1967 which wrecked the economy. The 3 day week started under Heath’s Gov as Unions sought to bring him down and Thatcher was elected because Callaghan was patently unfit for office as shown by the Winter of Discontent.
Labour's economic record in government is awful. Their newfound policies are mainly built around the failures of their past - stupid people.
No Tory Government has been able to pass on either a Balance of Payments Surplus or a Budget Surplus to its Labour successor. In 1970, Labour did both!
Ummm: during the Bretton Woods period (1945-1973ish), it was very rare for countries to run up significant balance of payments / current account imbalances. So, it's not that much of an achievement.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
I know. Brexit has induced hysteria in otherwise sensible people. An interesting UnHerd article today made this point very well. "Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, people cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning." https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/
Ach, it made my teeth ache. Goodwin is a good analyst but a terrible advocate, and his writing style can be overwhelmed by his POV and propensity to whine (see previous articles). However he accidentally raised an interesting point about the comprehension of numbers. Let's look at an example. He says that:
"while 80% of Leavers are open to having a Remainer acquaintance, only 70% of Remainers feel the same way[sic]";
Goodwin uses this and other similar figures to state that Remainers are more intolerant than Leavers. Fair interpretation (although begging the question!). But here's my point: how much more?
Is it * 10% more intolerant (30% minus 20%) * 12% more intolerant (1 minus 70%/80%) * 50% more intolerant (30%/20% minus 1) * 66% as tolerant (20%/30%) * 87.5% as tolerant (70%/80%)
The point I'm trying to make is twofold, thus: * Goodwin did not give a definition of intolerance that could be measured numerically. You don't have to put things into numbers to put them in order (Olympic medals being a famous example) but if you want to say how much more, it's important. * Goodwin did not include a threshold: how much intolerance is acceptable and how much not.
These two points - provide a numeric definition of the metric, then provide a threshold - are important if you wish to assess data, and it's amazing how bloody often they are neglected.
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
Encouraging the breakup of a country is not the act of a friendly power
And some on here revel in it.
I know. Brexit has induced hysteria in otherwise sensible people. An interesting UnHerd article today made this point very well. "Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, people cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning." https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/
Sounds like the climate change divide.
And of Course we now have UK politicians fawning over every word of a teenager from Sweden. And if we don’t do what she wants - although it’s not precisely clear what specifically she wants us to do - then the world will end and billions will die by 2030.
So why bother with Brexit or Scottish Indy - we are all doomed doomed!
So we are now researching comments from 33 years ago by people? Are we going to have a month of this endless dirt digging for tweets and ancient comments by Brexit and ChUK party candidates.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
To be fair, we're also trawling through (and finding) plenty of ancient bloopers from the CUKs.
As a matter of interest, how serious a problem is lesbianism (and the promotion thereof) in Merton schools? Or was Mrs May successful at curbing it?
It certainly didn’t work in Wimbledon in the 80s. Perhaps if Martina and Billie Jean had followed Theresa’s advice (even if it is fake news) and played more mixed doubles who knows how things might have turned out...!
I'm getting a bit worried about this: not at the poll results themselves, but by the fact that everybody seems to be overlooking regional differences. If we assume Brexit voting intention is proportional to 2016 Referendum vote then BrexParty's voters are disproprtionalety in England and Wales, and mostly on the South and East coasts of England, yes? But Conservative votes are more evenly and has support in Scotland where BrexParty has none. So BXP's support may be stronger than Con in certain areas
Imagine if the SNP win in Scotland and the Brexit Party win in England...
I think Scottish Independence pretty inevitable now. Remain is polling even stronger in Scotland than 3 years ago. The EU will cut them a good deal for accelerated entry, and the border issues are less than in Ireland. On the positive side I may be able to keep FOM if I get a Scottish Passport.
The Scots remain as opposed to independence as they were 5 years ago. The Brexit vote was the dog that did not bark.
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If Arsenal carry on like this, if Man U beat Chelsea on Sunday they may well be in pole position - they finish with Huddersfield and Cardiff whereas Chelsea away to Leicester on final day.
Rebalancing would involve restoring local democracy, fixing the electoral system, establishing regional governments, moving the capital, definancialisation, a more active business incubation policy based around the universities, and an honest debate about the future of smaller towns.
Blowing up our trade arrangements, minimising our soft power, destroying a number of high-tech industries and handing Vladimir Putin his biggest foreign policy win doesn't seem like the right cure to me.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1121166224572940289
I’d have more respect for those who stand on the shaky moral high ground when it comes to criticising Leave inclined people who make such mistakes if they did so for this lot now though.
https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1121128820235366400
The Mueller report provides strong prima facile evidence that there is an unindicted criminal in the White House. Congress can’t ignore its constitutional responsibilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya
Notional Lab majority of 4 according to flavable.
Still what is the lesson learned - if you want to go into politics quit Twitter for several years beforehand or don’t be honest about what you think or have any controversial opinions.
How many able politicians can match this standard? None. This new rule means you essentially can't have any prior opinions at all, in case they go out of fashion. Even Andrew Marr was nearly lynched on Twitter yesterday,
We will end up governed by a class of neutered halfwits, if we aren't already. An idiocracy. And maybe it is their turn. The idiots shall inherit the earth.
Surely we should care about what people think and believe now - not in 1986?
Is it any wonder those behind these tactics are seeing their support collapsing in the polls?
We shall have some proper results in a few weeks, not just these surveys.
https://twitter.com/RonMooreMoreRon/status/1119354894690000899?s=19
If Theresa May, who never knowingly expresses an opinion on anything, once had an unacceptable opinion, then literally everyone is fair game. This really is a crisis in our democracy.
What fool would enter politics today, when it is already an underpaid, unreliable and unpopular career choice? Knowing that everything you have ever said will be used to destroy you before you even start.
And yet the Labour leader is a Marxist anti-Semite, and gets away with it. As does Boris Johnson from the other side. Somehow. I know not why.
https://twitter.com/ashleyannotate/status/1121174943037784065
Sturgeon is throwing meat to her members, before a conference. She wants to ask for a vote and be turned down by Westminster. She will probably get what she wants.
To be fair, Britain is hardly alone, the same phenomenon can be seen across the West. Maybe liberal democracy is finished, and the Chinese have the answer. I have seldom been this pessimistic about political trends.
All the very strong arguments AGAINST Brexit would be multiplied. I don't think Scots want the arse-ache as my granddad used to put it. But stranger things have happened - eg Brexit.
I was a Communist in my teens. I told voters about it early on without having to - not apologetically, just as a fact; I said truthfully that I still thought the idea of "from each according to ability, to each according to need" was the way to live in private life, and it would be nice if it worked at Government level. But I'd come to feel that, sadly, it didn't. I never met a voter who was bothered by my past views and I was re-elected twice afterwards in what had always been a Tory seat. People are sensible, by and large, and they recognise that we all evolve.
https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48039524
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/01/anti-vaccination-fake-news-social-media-fuels-tripling-measles/
"while 80% of Leavers are open to having a Remainer acquaintance, only 70% of Remainers feel the same way[sic]";
Here's a good habit: put the numbers in a table:
-----------%age approve---%age disapprove
Leavers 80% 20%
Remainers 70% 30%
----------------------------------------
Goodwin uses this and other similar figures to state that Remainers are more intolerant than Leavers. Fair interpretation (although begging the question!). But here's my point: how much more?
Is it
* 10% more intolerant (30% minus 20%)
* 12% more intolerant (1 minus 70%/80%)
* 50% more intolerant (30%/20% minus 1)
* 66% as tolerant (20%/30%)
* 87.5% as tolerant (70%/80%)
The point I'm trying to make is twofold, thus:
* Goodwin did not give a definition of intolerance that could be measured numerically. You don't have to put things into numbers to put them in order (Olympic medals being a famous example) but if you want to say how much more, it's important.
* Goodwin did not include a threshold: how much intolerance is acceptable and how much not.
These two points - provide a numeric definition of the metric, then provide a threshold - are important if you wish to assess data, and it's amazing how bloody often they are neglected.
OK, rant over, Say goodnight, viewcode...
And of Course we now have UK politicians fawning over every word of a teenager from Sweden. And if we don’t do what she wants - although it’s not precisely clear what specifically she wants us to do - then the world will end and billions will die by 2030.
So why bother with Brexit or Scottish Indy - we are all doomed doomed!