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Brexit: Tories push to unseat ‘biased’ Speaker Bercow.https://t.co/QG9agkORvI pic.twitter.com/K86nRxoXJT
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Afternoon all
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Not first...like the tories in the euro elections.0
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Not a chance, sadly, so there's no point attempting it.0
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Fourth
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Theres no one year grace on this though so they might think it worth it just to embarrass him. He is an enormous twat after all0
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FPT, I'm not expecting the Lib Dems to recover the losses they sustained in 2011, but I would expect them to recover the losses of 2015, and thus get back to the 2011 position (taking into account boundary changes, seat reductions),stodge said:Afternoon all
WRT the Tories, I expect a fair chunk of the 12-14% Brexit vote to go their way in the locals, which should get them closer to 30% than 25% in terms of NEV. Labour will probably finish up a couple of per cent ahead of them, say 31% to 29%.0 -
Indeed. Completely pointless. If he wasnt embarrassed enough to go over the bullying scandal there is no way he will go over something as debatable and tenuous as political bias. This is simply a form of virtue signalling.Sean_F said:Not a chance, sadly, so there's no point attempting it.
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What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?0 -
Not if he isn't ennobled. Make him sit as a backbencherdixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?0 -
I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
Thought he couldn't do so after being Speaker? And, anyway, he would presumably sit as a disgruntled Independent.dyedwoolie said:
Not if he isn't ennobled. Make him sit as a backbencherdixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?
There is a majority of 4.0 -
Will he sit with labour or TIG?dyedwoolie said:
Not if he isn't ennobled. Make him sit as a backbencherdixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?0 -
FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.0 -
UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
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New speaker wont be a Tory so no change to the Mathsdixiedean said:
Thought he couldn't do so after being Speaker? And, anyway, he would presumably sit as a disgruntled Independent.dyedwoolie said:
Not if he isn't ennobled. Make him sit as a backbencherdixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?
There is a majority of 4.0 -
This could be hilarious. Last time James Duddridge was behind it, tabled a motion, and went around the media saying that there would be 200 signatures on it after the weekend, and Bercow would be gone within days.
He got 5.
Including his own.
I reckon this will only serve to show how few people are prepared to sign such a motion, and will simply strengthen Bercow's position.0 -
It needs some support, YouGov had them on 29% today. The poll was also very remain and labour in the EP figures and referendum intention it feels a little off but I think the Tories are headed for regular mid 20 polls as it goesstodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.0 -
UKIP are a cancer.FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
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I think it may be more than a simple reversion to 2011. The Conservatives made small gains but the main churn was between Labour and the LDs. The 2007 elections were likewise very good for the Conservatives with 930 gains and losses for both Labour and the LDs.Sean_F said:
FPT, I'm not expecting the Lib Dems to recover the losses they sustained in 2011, but I would expect them to recover the losses of 2015, and thus get back to the 2011 position (taking into account boundary changes, seat reductions),stodge said:Afternoon all
WRT the Tories, I expect a fair chunk of the 12-14% Brexit vote to go their way in the locals, which should get them closer to 30% than 25% in terms of NEV. Labour will probably finish up a couple of per cent ahead of them, say 31% to 29%.
The NEV for 2011 was CON 38 LAB 37 LD 16 - I haven't seen an NEV for the equivalent seats in 2015 but as the Conservatives won the GE 38-31 we can assume a similar if not larger Conservative leas in the local seats.
If the Conservatives are down to 30% or below that's a huge fall. and this will be their worst performance at this set of elections since 1995. As you say, some Brexit supporters may well vote Conservtive at local elections just as some CUK supporters might vote LD.
So a split of CON 30 LAB 32 would represent a swing to Labour of 1.5% on 2011 so that would mean Conservatives losing both the 2011 and 2015 gains and seeing some of the 2007 gains eroded. On that basis, an estimation of 750-1000 losses looks possible.0 -
Crispin Blunt has turned into a vile nutjob . And once again the Leave Tories just trying to find someone else to blame for their lack of a plan .0
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I am surprised they didnt go with the reason he was kicked of paetron or twitter (in the end). Maybe that is to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
UKIP are a cancer.FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
The count danulka bloke seems far worse / even less suitable for public office.0 -
But he is to remainers what Steve Baker is to leavers - a little unhinged perhaps but a symbol of the cause. Talismanic even. Sends a very powerful signal.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.0 -
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Is Meechan running ? Didn't see him on the Scottish list...FrancisUrquhart said:
I am surprised they didnt go with the reason he was kicked of paetron or twitter (in the end). Maybe that is to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
UKIP are a cancer.FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
The count danulka bloke seems far worse / even less suitable for public office.0 -
I think NEV for Con - Lab was 35 - 29 in 2015. And, I'm in the same ballpark for overall Conservative losses.stodge said:
I think it may be more than a simple reversion to 2011. The Conservatives made small gains but the main churn was between Labour and the LDs. The 2007 elections were likewise very good for the Conservatives with 930 gains and losses for both Labour and the LDs.Sean_F said:
FPT, I'm not expecting the Lib Dems to recover the losses they sustained in 2011, but I would expect them to recover the losses of 2015, and thus get back to the 2011 position (taking into account boundary changes, seat reductions),stodge said:Afternoon all
WRT the Tories, I expect a fair chunk of the 12-14% Brexit vote to go their way in the locals, which should get them closer to 30% than 25% in terms of NEV. Labour will probably finish up a couple of per cent ahead of them, say 31% to 29%.
The NEV for 2011 was CON 38 LAB 37 LD 16 - I haven't seen an NEV for the equivalent seats in 2015 but as the Conservatives won the GE 38-31 we can assume a similar if not larger Conservative leas in the local seats.
If the Conservatives are down to 30% or below that's a huge fall. and this will be their worst performance at this set of elections since 1995. As you say, some Brexit supporters may well vote Conservtive at local elections just as some CUK supporters might vote LD.
So a split of CON 30 LAB 32 would represent a swing to Labour of 1.5% on 2011 so that would mean Conservatives losing both the 2011 and 2015 gains and seeing some of the 2007 gains eroded. On that basis, an estimation of 750-1000 losses looks possible.0 -
You mean the arogant Adonis might actually try to get elected to something rather than just lording over the rest of us, because of his superior intelligence.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
Never going to happen.0 -
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!0 -
That is what is reported in telegraph and itv news.Pulpstar said:
Is Meechan running ? Didn't see him on the Scottish list...FrancisUrquhart said:
I am surprised they didnt go with the reason he was kicked of paetron or twitter (in the end). Maybe that is to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
UKIP are a cancer.FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
The count danulka bloke seems far worse / even less suitable for public office.0 -
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
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Not in this lot:FrancisUrquhart said:
That is what is reported in telegraph and itv news.Pulpstar said:
Is Meechan running ? Didn't see him on the Scottish list...FrancisUrquhart said:
I am surprised they didnt go with the reason he was kicked of paetron or twitter (in the end). Maybe that is to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
UKIP are a cancer.FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
The count danulka bloke seems far worse / even less suitable for public office.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/european-elections-2019-candidates-mep-who-standing-eu-vote-full-list/
Mike "Right" Hookem is in there though again
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Yep. I see the plan - Cons boot him out and then expect him to vote with them on anything and everything.dixiedean said:
Thought he couldn't do so after being Speaker? And, anyway, he would presumably sit as a disgruntled Independent.dyedwoolie said:
Not if he isn't ennobled. Make him sit as a backbencherdixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?
There is a majority of 4.0 -
Looks a bit like Corbyn in TSE's shoes...TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
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Will the Tories finish behind Mebyon Kernow in the South West? IIRC, didn't that happen to Labour in one election?brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!0 -
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
Mr. Jack, Mordaunt would be the best choice.0
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Euros 2009 in Cornwall not the whole SWSandyRentool said:
Will the Tories finish behind Mebyon Kernow in the South West? IIRC, didn't that happen to Labour in one election?brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!0 -
A Kipper in a Kipper Tie. How appropriate.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
He also appears to be the Swindon and District Pocket Billiards champion.
Sweet dog though.0 -
I think Labour is placing sitting MEPs at the top of all its regional lists, and pretty much all incumbents seem to be offering themselves for re-election.brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!
So the fact that Adonis is only no 2 is not surprising - the interest in this is not his position on the list but the fact that Labour has selected him at all. This could not have happened without the acquiescence of the leadership.0 -
That is one nasty looking dog.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
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Thanks. So that's the benchmark for Conservative dismality.dyedwoolie said:
Euros 2009 in Cornwall not the whole SWSandyRentool said:
Will the Tories finish behind Mebyon Kernow in the South West? IIRC, didn't that happen to Labour in one election?brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!0 -
Yes, 6th in Cornwall is the targetSandyRentool said:
Thanks. So that's the benchmark for Conservative dismality.dyedwoolie said:
Euros 2009 in Cornwall not the whole SWSandyRentool said:
Will the Tories finish behind Mebyon Kernow in the South West? IIRC, didn't that happen to Labour in one election?brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!0 -
Betting Post:
Crawford vs Khan will likely be another mismatch for Amir. Crawford is 1.1 on BF which is fair enough but perhaps to back him (Crawford) to win in rds 4-6 (currently 3.25) is a sensible bet. Amir is fast of that there is no doubt and can happily skip around Crawford for a few rounds. But then, sadly, he will likely tire and make a mistake, let his head bob up, and get sparked out.0 -
Farage, Adonis - can we persuade Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson to be MEPs too?
Then have the Home Secretary revoke their citizenship whilst in Brussels. Job done.0 -
Using an Early Day Motion for this is a bit chocolate fireguard. And announcing it when Parliament is in recess and MPs are having a much-needed break isn't very promising either. Won't happen.0
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Mr. Palmer, that may be over-generous. If nothing else, a chocolate fireguard would be tasty.0
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There's a fabulously named councillor standing for re-election in the Liverpool City Council elections next month... Anna Key!
(From another PB)0 -
There's some real monsters in the world.
James from Busted spotted polishing off a 'Hawaiian Aloha' burger at the Lord Nelson, Southwark – a godless combo of grilled pineapple, beef, bacon, cheese and teriyaki mayo.
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At least she's not going to Europe.TheScreamingEagles said:There's a fabulously named councillor standing for re-election in the Liverpool City Council elections next month... Anna Key!
(From another PB)
Anna Key in the UK.......0 -
Looks like he has painted his house purple.MarqueeMark said:
That is one nasty looking dog.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-479740360 -
Agree it’s not surprising he is no 2 but it means he is very unlikely to get elected as the LDs will almost certainly pick up a seat there and there just aren’t enough Labour votes for them to get a Second seat.anothernick said:
I think Labour is placing sitting MEPs at the top of all its regional lists, and pretty much all incumbents seem to be offering themselves for re-election.brendan16 said:
Adonis has only been placed second on the Labour list in the south west.Sean_F said:
The only problem with Adonis is that he's a nut.anothernick said:FPT
If Labour run Adonis as a candidate that will go a very long way toward reassuring remainers - if one of the most high profile - fanatical even - remain campaigners is on the ticket it will make mass defections to TIG or the LDs much less likely. Very smart move - makes Labour's position much clearer without moving on 2nd ref commitment.
It’s only a six seat region and Labour only won one seat there in 2014 as it’s not one of their strongest areas of support - the Greens got 1 and UKIP and the Tories two each. So he is unlikely to be elected as you might expect Lib Dem support to recover with them taking a seat.
I predict 1 Labour, 1 Green, 1 Tory, 2 Brexit and 1 Lib Dem but no Adonis!
So the fact that Adonis is only no 2 is not surprising - the interest in this is not his position on the list but the fact that Labour has selected him at all. This could not have happened without the acquiescence of the leadership.0 -
Mr. Eagles, are you suggesting Kames is to the culinary world what you are to fashion?0
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Any sign of Nigel Farage in the Mueller report?0
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https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1118908178018656256?s=19
Why wasn't he this much fun as LOTO?!0 -
It should be James.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, are you suggesting Kames is to the culinary world what you are to fashion?
I'm a fashion trend setter.0 -
what's with the charcoal grey double breasted suit jacket? Such care with all that colour and then he gets his suburban accountant's jacket out.rottenborough said:
Looks like he has painted his house purple.MarqueeMark said:
That is one nasty looking dog.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-479740360 -
Looks like the Rage will have an impact on locals:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/11189052173686947840 -
Do none of these people even try to count?0
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Dressing up for the camera?TOPPING said:
what's with the charcoal grey double breasted suit jacket? Such care with all that colour and then he gets his suburban accountant's jacket out.rottenborough said:
Looks like he has painted his house purple.MarqueeMark said:
That is one nasty looking dog.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-479740360 -
Homage to the Moggster.TOPPING said:
what's with the charcoal grey double breasted suit jacket? Such care with all that colour and then he gets his suburban accountant's jacket out.rottenborough said:
Looks like he has painted his house purple.MarqueeMark said:
That is one nasty looking dog.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-479740360 -
Probably one of the best burgers I've ever eaten was strawberry flavour.TheScreamingEagles said:There's some real monsters in the world.
James from Busted spotted polishing off a 'Hawaiian Aloha' burger at the Lord Nelson, Southwark – a godless combo of grilled pineapple, beef, bacon, cheese and teriyaki mayo.
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huh?Nigelb said:This is quite good.
https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/11188972226267422800 -
No idea why Khan has persisted at 10 stone 7, he'd have been better off fighting at 140 - at least it's Crawford and not Spence that'll be delivering the beating...TOPPING said:Betting Post:
Crawford vs Khan will likely be another mismatch for Amir. Crawford is 1.1 on BF which is fair enough but perhaps to back him (Crawford) to win in rds 4-6 (currently 3.25) is a sensible bet. Amir is fast of that there is no doubt and can happily skip around Crawford for a few rounds. But then, sadly, he will likely tire and make a mistake, let his head bob up, and get sparked out.0 -
Strawberry flavour suggests that burger had never been near a strawberry. For that, it would have to be strawberry flavoured.RobD said:
Probably one of the best burgers I've ever eaten was strawberry flavour.TheScreamingEagles said:There's some real monsters in the world.
James from Busted spotted polishing off a 'Hawaiian Aloha' burger at the Lord Nelson, Southwark – a godless combo of grilled pineapple, beef, bacon, cheese and teriyaki mayo.0 -
I hope this Tory disaffection flows down the Aire from NY to WY.rottenborough said:Looks like the Rage will have an impact on locals:
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He says he feels comfortable which actually means not a very great deal. I mean I don't subscribe to the glass jaw view of him - he showed vs Maidana he can take a shot. It's just that he at one point or another will put that jaw right in front of his opponent's right (or left) hand.Pulpstar said:
No idea why Khan has persisted at 10 stone 7, he'd have been better off fighting at 140 - at least it's Crawford and not Spence that'll be delivering the beating...TOPPING said:Betting Post:
Crawford vs Khan will likely be another mismatch for Amir. Crawford is 1.1 on BF which is fair enough but perhaps to back him (Crawford) to win in rds 4-6 (currently 3.25) is a sensible bet. Amir is fast of that there is no doubt and can happily skip around Crawford for a few rounds. But then, sadly, he will likely tire and make a mistake, let his head bob up, and get sparked out.0 -
The Mueller reportTOPPING said:
huh?Nigelb said:This is quite good.
https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/11188972226267422800 -
Those quotes should be tattooed inside the eyelids of every MP.rottenborough said:Looks like the Rage will have an impact on locals:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/11189052173686947840 -
Maybe that's normal for Swindon?TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
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OIC Thanks.williamglenn said:
The Mueller reportTOPPING said:
huh?Nigelb said:This is quite good.
https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/11188972226267422800 -
Mr. Eagles, ah, thought it might've been a surname.0
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Clearly the words of a man who has done nothing wrong and expected to be totally exonerated.williamglenn said:0 -
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
It's here https://www.scribd.com/document/406726149/Mueller-Report-FINALTOPPING said:
OIC Thanks.williamglenn said:
The Mueller reportTOPPING said:
huh?Nigelb said:This is quite good.
https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/1118897222626742280
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Jack has conveniently forgotten the enormous lengths parliament went to because it was convinced May would go ahead with a No Deal Brexit.Recidivist said:
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.0 -
You would be hard pressed to set up a situation more likely to deliver full-blown National Populism to the UK (well, ok England).Recidivist said:
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.
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Helpfully in a format you can't search...logical_song said:
It's here https://www.scribd.com/document/406726149/Mueller-Report-FINALTOPPING said:
OIC Thanks.williamglenn said:
The Mueller reportTOPPING said:
huh?Nigelb said:This is quite good.
https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/1118897222626742280 0 -
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Is anything happening about Brexit now?
When Donald Tusk said "Please don't waste this time." did Theresa May miss the first two words?0 -
True. Also, there must be plenty of Tory MPs who will be looking at the polls and wondering whether being seen to back Brexit is still a good look for them in their own constituency.williamglenn said:
Jack has conveniently forgotten the enormous lengths parliament went to because it was convinced May would go ahead with a No Deal Brexit.Recidivist said:
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.
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Never mind that, any replacement Conservative leader needs to command the confidence of the House of Commons before becoming Prime Minister. Whatever they might promise their party members, they’re not going to get the job in the current Parliament until their hands are tied on this front.Recidivist said:
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.
Counting is not difficult but so few people seem to do it.0 -
The ineptitude of the ERG is on an epic scale. When the annals of Brexit are written, little children will laugh in derision at their hubris. Their folly. Their inability to read anything beyond the spoof Ladybird book of Brexit.
They won't remove Bercow. They can't even piss in the wind.
As Mike Smithson, almost alone amongst commentators, told you all long ago.0 -
That's a good point. They really are in the stickiest situation since Sticky the stick insect got stuck to a sticky bun.AlastairMeeks said:
Never mind that, any replacement Conservative leader needs to command the confidence of the House of Commons before becoming Prime Minister. Whatever they might promise their party members, they’re not going to get the job in the current Parliament until their hands are tied on this front.Recidivist said:
Such a course of action is now well beyond the power of the parliamentary party. Think how many votes you'd need to be able to rely on.JackJack said:
The only thing that will allow the Brexit vote to come home to the Tories will be delivering Brexit. They need to change the party rules, oust May, get in someone like Raab or Mordaunt, prevent any further extension, and then force parliament into a Deal vs No Deal choice.Sean_F said:
Back in the Blair years, a poll showing the Conservatives on 23% would have given Labour 50%+. The internals of the Com Res poll show 10% of the 14% Brexit vote coming from Conservatives. I think that a lot of that vote will stick with the Conservatives in the locals, but some of it will go to UKIP and Independents.stodge said:I'm astonished there isn't more comment on the Com Res poll. The Conservatives rating of 23% is lower than anything I've seen since the heady days of Blair. The Brexit Party has come from nowhere to take 14% and I realise some Conservatives believe the Brexit vote is basically disillusioned Conservatives who will return home at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder.
Maybe but on those numbers that looks like a Labour Government or very close to it and not much to show in seat terms for the Brexit Party.
The European Parliamentary Poll isn't as radical as some earlier in the week with the Conservatives just second on 18% and Brexit on 17% while Labour has a solid 15-point lead.
With those kinds of numbers you just wonder how the locals might turn out - of course there are no Brexit Party candidates to support but this must be a great election to be an organised Independent taking on a local Conservative or Labour Councillor.
Counting is not difficult but so few people seem to do it.0 -
Impossible to disagree with.Mysticrose said:The ineptitude of the ERG is on an epic scale. When the annals of Brexit are written, little children will laugh in derision at their hubris. Their folly. Their inability to read anything beyond the spoof Ladybird book of Brexit.
They won't remove Bercow. They can't even piss in the wind.
As Mike Smithson, almost alone amongst commentators, told you all long ago.
We must be slouching towards a second referendum, surely?0 -
And Bercow has been a good neutral chair, anyway. No sensible speaker would have taken those ERG unicorn amendments. Since they don't have the numbers to install a speaker biased in their favour, there doesn't seem any point, other than displacement activity to avoid facing their own large slice of blame.dixiedean said:What is the point? Bercow is not the reason there is no Brexit. Simple Commons arithmetic, and the fact that there are a couple of dozen irreconcilables are responsible.
A new Speaker won't change that.
Plus. Won't that mean a Buckingham by-election? Is that REALLY'what a government with a majority of 4 wants?0 -
Didn’t Mike expect them to fold and for the deal to go through?Mysticrose said:The ineptitude of the ERG is on an epic scale. When the annals of Brexit are written, little children will laugh in derision at their hubris. Their folly. Their inability to read anything beyond the spoof Ladybird book of Brexit.
They won't remove Bercow. They can't even piss in the wind.
As Mike Smithson, almost alone amongst commentators, told you all long ago.0 -
I have found an interesting comment from Vote UK Forum:
'It is the view of a few SNP MPs in this area - and I agree with them - that if it looks likely Labour will win the next election, Labour will take around a dozen seats off the SNP in the Clyde valley area.'
People can make of that what they wish!
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Several abiding images from this fiasco and that's now one I, unfortunately, will not be able to erase. Apart from anything else, he looks like he's playing with himself. Mind you, looking at his situation I don't entirely blame him.TrèsDifficile said:
Aubrey Attwater, one of the Swindon kippers who want him out, looks.. interesting!FrancisUrquhart said:UKIP's Carl Benjamin not sorry for MP rape comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-wiltshire-47974036
Sir Ian Duncan Smith arriving at Chequers in his Morgan was another. There's nothing wrong with Morgans. Well there is actually. But they just don't get it.
They never have ...
https://images.app.goo.gl/ugmDugJkEkBfq2Rb8
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Mike famously (and TSE I think) said that Rees-Mogg was all piss and wind.williamglenn said:
Didn’t Mike expect them to fold and for the deal to go through?Mysticrose said:The ineptitude of the ERG is on an epic scale. When the annals of Brexit are written, little children will laugh in derision at their hubris. Their folly. Their inability to read anything beyond the spoof Ladybird book of Brexit.
They won't remove Bercow. They can't even piss in the wind.
As Mike Smithson, almost alone amongst commentators, told you all long ago.0 -
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Slogan for 2020:Scott_P said:
'You can trust me, I'm so useless I can't even break simple laws effectively.'
(Reagan did actually run on a variant of that - and won!)0 -
From what May has said, she is clinging to the hope that her deal can be got through Parliament, on the back of forcing MPs to preference vote a softer Brexit as the preferred destination, in time to stop the EU elections. The number of coins that would have to turn up heads to make this a viable outcome suggests that Mrs M is in desperate gambler territory. If she fails, Parliament will have a long summer to consider alternative ways to go.RoyalBlue said:
Impossible to disagree with.Mysticrose said:The ineptitude of the ERG is on an epic scale. When the annals of Brexit are written, little children will laugh in derision at their hubris. Their folly. Their inability to read anything beyond the spoof Ladybird book of Brexit.
They won't remove Bercow. They can't even piss in the wind.
As Mike Smithson, almost alone amongst commentators, told you all long ago.
We must be slouching towards a second referendum, surely?0 -
New: Nate's Silver Bulletpoints:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/silver-bulletpoints-weve-got-your-backlash-to-the-buttigieg-backlash/0 -
Very good, but still not as good as the great Seymour Cocks MP.MarqueeMark said:
At least she's not going to Europe.TheScreamingEagles said:There's a fabulously named councillor standing for re-election in the Liverpool City Council elections next month... Anna Key!
(From another PB)
Anna Key in the UK.......0 -
"this looks like a reasonably organic surge in voter interest in Buttigieg and not just a media fixation."
Nate Silver0
