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Extension to December coincides neatly with when Tory MPs can next launch a VONC in May0
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Why? Are you four them?DavidL said:
"Fire up the Quattro"AlastairMeeks said:
That might not be the stroke of genius that the nutjob right expect it to be. There are plenty of examples of insults that were turned into badges of honour or affection. And I'm sure that the tiggers won't object to the free advertising.Sandpit said:
It should have been blindingly obvious to them that, if we get EU elections, Farage is going to spend the next two months calling them the EU's CUKs at every opportunity.TheJezziah said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it might be reflective of their limited bubble, they also didn't want too much member interfecence (being part of their problem with their old parties) so it seems to be pretty much the MPs who defected, none of which are generally considered stand out names and some advisers from the New Labour era. They are mostly intelligent and educated people but there is a very limited perspective there.Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
Edit: Also yes I could have cheered (if I wasn't laughing so much) when I heard the name.
None of them will get the joke, but most of Farage's supporters (and all of the media) will be laughing out loud at it.0 -
Well, quite. They are just mind numbingly stupid, detached from the real world and complete fantasists. Although a leaver (still) I agree with TSE that them losing the whip would be the best thing that could happen to the Tories going forward. They might then be capable of being a party of government again (once they got a new leader, of course).ydoethur said:
Only a sucker would think that?DavidL said:It only gives succor if you think the likes of JRM or Francois or Baker have ever said anything worth listening to in their lives. If you don't (and who would) its just a pathetic excuse.
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More than that, the current turn out of events should have come as no surprise to those who voted Leave as it would have been assigned a non-trivial/significant probability in their scenario analysis and hence there should have been a coherent response.AlastairMeeks said:I have no sympathy with the predicament of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers. None. They spent years pandering to the prejudices of the hardliners and then expected them meekly to fall into line when it suited them. Newsflash: if you want something to happen, you have to argue for it consistently and firmly. You didn't. The outcome was the consequence of your own actions.
Instead they all seem to be absolutely gobsmacked by what has happened and are running around fighting like cats in a sack.0 -
Parties have survived being known as Tories and Know Nothings.DavidL said:
"Fire up the Quattro"AlastairMeeks said:Sandpit said:
It should have been blindingly obvious to them that, if we get EU elections, Farage is going to spend the next two months calling them the EU's CUKs at every opportunity.TheJezziah said:
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it might be reflective of their limited bubble, they also didn't want too much member interfecence (being part of their problem with their old parties) so it seems to be pretty much the MPs who defected, none of which are generally considered stand out names and some advisers from the New Labour era. They are mostly intelligent and educated people but there is a very limited perspective there.Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
Edit: Also yes I could have cheered (if I wasn't laughing so much) when I heard the name.
None of them will get the joke, but most of Farage's supporters (and all of the media) will be laughing out loud at it.
That might not be the stroke of genius that the nutjob right expect it to be. There are plenty of examples of insults that were turned into badges of honour or affection. And I'm sure that the tiggers won't object to the free advertising.0 -
😂😂😂logical_song said:
Had to look it upRecidivist said:
And where did you hear that? Do you have any references?rottenborough said:Just learnt a new modern techie word - "sealioning"
"Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility."
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Thank goodness we don't have any of that on PB, eh?logical_song said:
Had to look it upRecidivist said:
And where did you hear that? Do you have any references?rottenborough said:Just learnt a new modern techie word - "sealioning"
"Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility."0 -
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.0 -
Some pretty creative camera workTheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.0 -
Winning an election on remain may not be impossible. I suspect the leave vote is far more split (UKIP, Farage, Tories) than the other side plus a lot of Labour support is merely because they are "hold nose" but still better than the other options..TGOHF said:
Did they and have they ? Seems to me the game is just beginning.Slackbladder said:What an utter ****show. The brexiteers had the thing they wanted, and in pure greed and hubris they've thrown it all away.
They deserve it.
State of play - no May Brexit but....
The EU want us out.
Winning an election on remain is impossible - not the case 3 years ago.
Wet Conservatism is dead as an electoral force.
Equally Labour isn't stupid enough to go for a straightforward revoke it would be a referendum - leaving under these terms v remain..0 -
They picked a funny tilt.Roger said:
Some pretty creative camera workTheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.0 -
Mr. L, wasn't Supermac originally used by Labour as an insult?0
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Exactly. People (and most of our MPs still qualify for that appellation) are responsible for their own acts. As a class they are not worthy.isam said:
Political anoraks are splitting hairs trying to manoeuvre into a partisan blame game while the other 99.9% of the populace will be blaming the political class as a wholeDavidL said:
So what? The people were asked and they answered. The answer was close so a softer Brexit than Boris claimed and Raab and Davies actually wanted wasn't a reasonable response or a reason to reject the deal that had actually been negotiated. These excuses for not doing what they promised when elected are just pathetic. And what trust there ever was in our political class has been destroyed as a result.TheScreamingEagles said:
It wasn't just them, two of Mrs May's Brexit Secretaries, and her former Foreign Secretary said the same.DavidL said:
It only gives succor if you think the likes of JRM or Francois or Baker have ever said anything worth listening to in their lives. If you don't (and who would) its just a pathetic excuse.TheScreamingEagles said:
Every time Leavers said Mrs May's deal was worse than Remaining they gave succour to others to oppose the deal.DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.
Plus Labour's manifesto was clear and gave Labour cover to oppose Mrs May's deal.
As for Labour they committed themselves to honouring the Brexit vote. If they hadn't even May might have got a majority. Of course they had their own ideas of how Brexit should be done but those ideas are only relevant if there is a majority in the House for them. Which there isn't. It did not give them cover to stop Brexit or let the morons stop it either.0 -
Among many things the headbangers have debased, the word 'humiliation' is top of the list
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/11158953296548085760 -
A flop for them but not so much the other guy....rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
I don't see why not stick with TIG and be Tiggers, you could call yourself the independent group but just be known as TIG.
Change UK is particularly bad (because of the initials) but I feared/hoped they would end up with that kind of bland name which tries to say something in the name. Renew, Momentum and many other variations on it would fall in the same category as names for political parties (though a bit better I'd argue)
Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, UKIP, Greens they all say something political in their name without just using a bland word that almost any politician could support (who doesn't want some kind of change currently?) I'm not sure what word they could use as centrist and moderate aren't particularly going to get the votes out either but maybe that just reflects the actual popularity of their political positioning.0 -
Maybe they've stopped talking about the first one because it's actually happening?Scott_P said:
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-16/nhs-to-get-extra-384-million-per-week-after-brexit-government-says/0 -
And it coated him with a new aura...Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, wasn't Supermac originally used by Labour as an insult?
Of course 'Tory' was originally a term of abuse, as was 'Marxist.'0 -
In fairness, £350 m a week for the NHS has already been allocated.Scott_P said:0 -
The real issue is of course that the last one is the only one that now matters. So the rest are sort of irrelevant.RobD said:
Maybe they've stopped talking about the first one because it's actually happening?Scott_P said:
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-16/nhs-to-get-extra-384-million-per-week-after-brexit-government-says/0 -
Almost as bad as UKOK.Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
'Can you give me the positive case for staying in the UK?'
'UKOK'
'Y'what?'
'UKOK!!'
'FUKU then.'0 -
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I am not that old MD. Tory itself was something of an insult in its origins.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, wasn't Supermac originally used by Labour as an insult?
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Let us also not forget Britain Stronger in Europe - BSE.Theuniondivvie said:
Almost as bad as UKOK.Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
'Can you give me the positive case for staying in the UK?'
'UKOK'
'Y'what?'
'UKOK!!'
'FUKU then.'0 -
A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.0 -
We can still make the one that won the referendum thoughScott_P said:0 -
-9? tis but a scratcheek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1115896347058692101
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Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?0 -
And people wonder why reaching out to the Remain mob has failed.AlastairMeeks said:I have no sympathy with the predicament of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers. None. They spent years pandering to the prejudices of the hardliners and then expected them meekly to fall into line when it suited them. Newsflash: if you want something to happen, you have to argue for it consistently and firmly. You didn't. The outcome was the consequence of your own actions.
With extremists like Meeks on the Remain side there is no point. He is so wrapped up in his own delusions and hatred that he would rather see the whole country burn than come to a reasoned solution.0 -
Labour's antisemitism will not lose them more votes. They have already lost anyone who was going to change their vote on that basis.eek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
So what did the sealions do to get lumped with that tag then?0
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'Tis not as deep as a well, but 'twill suffice....RobD said:
-9? tis but a scratcheek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/10746690702037155840 -
The correct quotation is, 'Tis not as deep as a well, nor so wide as a church door, but 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'Peter_the_Punter said:
'Tis not as deep as a well, but 'twill suffice....RobD said:
-9? tis but a scratcheek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
No Change? No Brexit party?RobD said:
-9? tis but a scratcheek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
And the Dickheads that were mouthing off about it have learned to stfu.anothernick said:
Labour's antisemitism will not lose them more votes. They have already lost anyone who was going to change their vote on that basis.eek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.0 -
Quite interested to see how his defamation action works out. Should be issued fairly soon.Theuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/10746690702037155840 -
You can blame the "Literal Democrat" Richard Huggett for the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998.TheJezziah said:
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huggett0 -
The last Kantar poll had the Tories 10% ahead. I didn't believe that one either.....eek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1115896347058692101
https://uk.kantar.com/public-opinion/politics/2019/conservatives-10-points-ahead-of-labour-as-pms-deal-heads-for-parliamentary-vote/
Mind you, it was before May's deal was put to parliament and the shambles that followed.....so almost certainly the Tories are down, but as Dr Johnson observed 'there is little point to settling precedence between a louse and a flea'...vis a vis the Tories & Labour....0 -
Supermac came from the Daily Mirror's cartoonist, Vicky.DavidL said:
I am not that old MD. Tory itself was something of an insult in its origins.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, wasn't Supermac originally used by Labour as an insult?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Weisz0 -
As a punishment we should all reply to Casino's posts in blank verse.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
That'll learn him.
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Any professional view?DavidL said:
Quite interested to see how his defamation action works out. Should be issued fairly soon.Theuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/10746690702037155840 -
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?0 -
Despite Brexit, I assumeFrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017. 0 -
A general election now would be a big boost for remain. Key leave supporters, particularly Bojo and IDS, are very vulnerable to tactical voting by remainers. Leave supporters are angry and demoralised and many would not vote Tory as they would not trust the Tories to deliver. So they would either abstain or have choice between UKIP and the Farage party (which many would be unable to distinguish from each other). Remain supporters, on the other hand, are well organised and think victory is in sight - they would campaign for tactical voting and ensure that the new parliament is even more remainey than the current one.eek said:
Winning an election on remain may not be impossible. I suspect the leave vote is far more split (UKIP, Farage, Tories) than the other side plus a lot of Labour support is merely because they are "hold nose" but still better than the other options..TGOHF said:
Did they and have they ? Seems to me the game is just beginning.Slackbladder said:What an utter ****show. The brexiteers had the thing they wanted, and in pure greed and hubris they've thrown it all away.
They deserve it.
State of play - no May Brexit but....
The EU want us out.
Winning an election on remain is impossible - not the case 3 years ago.
Wet Conservatism is dead as an electoral force.
Equally Labour isn't stupid enough to go for a straightforward revoke it would be a referendum - leaving under these terms v remain..0 -
First to say Despite Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
[Edit: Nope, @RobD beat me to it]
Right, work to do. Laters all.0 -
Farage is now our friend; taking down the Tories has always been the pre-condition to reform politics.0
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They claim because of it....stockpiling. I am sure there is some of that, but it seems a little bit like the claim unemployment falling was solely down to zero hour contracts / minimum wage jobs narrative.RobD said:
Despite Brexit, I assumeFrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.0 -
Too slowSandpit said:
First to say Despite Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
Right, work to do. Laters all.
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Stockpiling?RobD said:
Despite Brexit, I assumeFrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
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Indeed. Who can forget that scene from Titanic when Kate Hoey and Nigel Farage sat on the prow of the Thames cruiser arms around each other....AlastairMeeks said:I have no sympathy with the predicament of self-proclaimed moderate Leavers. None. They spent years pandering to the prejudices of the hardliners and then expected them meekly to fall into line when it suited them. Newsflash: if you want something to happen, you have to argue for it consistently and firmly. You didn't. The outcome was the consequence of your own actions.
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Ah, let me revise my previous statement:CarlottaVance said:
Stockpiling?RobD said:
Despite Brexit, I assumeFrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
Becasue of Brexit, I assume 0 -
I had heard a little about the literal democrat (good name in fairness) just didn't realise the scope would reach that far, I thought they could get away with TIG on the ballot.Sandpit said:
You can blame the "Literal Democrat" Richard Huggett for the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998.TheJezziah said:
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huggett
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Only because it has been nicked from elsewhere, which could/would have happened whichever way the vote went. I don't think many serious economists think we will be better off after this debacle. It is therefore still a porky.Sean_F said:
In fairness, £350 m a week for the NHS has already been allocated.Scott_P said:0 -
Its quite hard to call. The Scottish courts are not big on defamation but have generally been minded to uphold complaints in recent times when they have got to decisions. Two very able QCs neither of whom lose often. Sensible Sheriff for the proof.Theuniondivvie said:
Any professional view?DavidL said:
Quite interested to see how his defamation action works out. Should be issued fairly soon.Theuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1074669070203715584
The interesting question is how the Courts will deal with the Kezia defence. In discrimination law the perception of the "victim" or member of the discriminated group is key, if they perceive that they have been discriminated against they have. Kezia played very strongly on that in her evidence: as a gay woman she was offended. Defamation law is different from that because the test is objective, not what was perceived by Campbell or Kezia. I will be interested to see how that plays.0 -
Yeah, but I get some cred for doing it straight from memory. I was in a bit of a 'plague of both your houses' mood too.ydoethur said:
The correct quotation is, 'Tis not as deep as a well, nor so wide as a church door, but 'tis enough, 'twill serve.'Peter_the_Punter said:
'Tis not as deep as a well, but 'twill suffice....RobD said:
-9? tis but a scratcheek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/11158963470586921010 -
I might actually argue - it's due to temporary stockpiling which is a result of Brexit...Sandpit said:
First to say Despite Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
[Edit: Nope, @RobD beat me to it]
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But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is - I am the only one!ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.0 -
Don't you think that had Mrs May spent those two years keeping her colleagues informed of what was going on rather than poscards of David Davis smiling like a cheshire cat she might have been in a better position to expect loyalty when she finally presented her plan?DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.0 -
I guess the Literal Democrats know how to use an apostrophe so are therefore the antithesis of UKIP supporters. If we had the Numerical Democrats they would be the antithesis of Corbyn's Momentum Party because they would know how to use a calculator.TheJezziah said:
I had heard a little about the literal democrat (good name in fairness) just didn't realise the scope would reach that far, I thought they could get away with TIG on the ballot.Sandpit said:
You can blame the "Literal Democrat" Richard Huggett for the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998.TheJezziah said:
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huggett0 -
The difference is that the ERG are leavers and vehemently proclaimed that May's deal was a betrayal of the referendum vote. If there was a deal that had unanimous backing of the leavers many remain MPs would have supported it. They were never going to vote for a deal that lots of leavers didn't want.DavidL said:
No it didn't. If the latter had done their duty then the deal would have passed whatever the morons in the ERG did.IanB2 said:
To repeat, the behaviour of the former enabled the latter.DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.
As Brexiteers thrash around blaming anyone and everyone for the current chaos it seems to me that the core problem from day 1 has been that the leavers have never been able to agree on a way forward. How can everyone else even begin to honour the result if its architects can't agree on how to do it?0 -
Devaluation of the pound and reduced labour costs would be factors too.eek said:
I might actually argue - it's due to temporary stockpiling which is a result of Brexit...Sandpit said:
First to say Despite Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
[Edit: Nope, @RobD beat me to it]
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I have known Casino for some time. I don’t think he’s going to take my tongue-in-cheek comment to heart.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
Have you ever thought of posting something here that wasn’t negative and/or a personal attack? You certainly aren’t doing anything to discourage prejudices about people called Nigel. No wonder the name is dying out.0 -
But it hasn't devalued in the past year and labour costs have gone up due to rise in minimum wage.Peter_the_Punter said:
Devaluation of the pound and reduced labour costs would be factors too.eek said:
I might actually argue - it's due to temporary stockpiling which is a result of Brexit...Sandpit said:
First to say Despite Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
[Edit: Nope, @RobD beat me to it]
Right, work to do. Laters all.0 -
The Conservatives did a lot better than expected under IDS. The plot against him had by the time of the locals developed its own momentum: that BBC report even speculates this will be the case. The next leader, Michael Howard, brought them no closer to power, although revisionist apologists for the plotters (cough Francis Maude cough) claimed Howard's great achievement was promoting David Cameron. A boast that has not aged well, although I suppose the alternative was David Davis.ydoethur said:
What did for IDS is that he was a shite leader in all ways. But Brent East was what led first to *that* conference speech and then to the confidence vote.DecrepitJohnL said:
What did for IDS was that he got thumped at PMQs every week without fail, leading to a collapse in backbench morale.ydoethur said:
They weren't surprisingly good, rather they were about in line with expectations - the press strapline was 'don't confuse relief with joy.'DecrepitJohnL said:IDS was removed after the elections went surprisingly well for the Conservatives, so the two are not necessarily related. Plots develop a momentum of their own..
But what did for IDS was the Tories' dismal showing in Brent East, where a number of Conservative voters deserted to the Liberal Democrats and Sarah Tether pulled off a stunning win. There was a general feeling that while Labour had suffered horrendously the Tories were not benefitting and IDS was the problem.
(It's interesting to note the three previous Tory candidates in Brent East were David Gauke, Mark Francois and Damian Green.)
Here is a contemporary report of the 2003 local elections.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2994877.stm
And that report doesn't undermine what I said. The expectations were more seats and a poor showing in the popular vote, which happened. Allowing for the fact the Tory chairman of the time was running around doing expectations management of 'a net gain of around thirty seats' (what an idiot that person was, isn't it a good job she was never promoted to high office) anything less than 300 was regarded as terminal for IDS. Admittedly 566 was more than that minimum, there was no sign of a 1990s style breakthrough that would put them on the road to power.0 -
Tiggers like everything except...Jeremy Corbyn. Always liked Tigger!Foxy said:
But the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is - I am the only one!ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.0 -
UKIP supporters are disproportionately likely to live on the coast, which makes them littoral democrats.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess the Literal Democrats know how to use an apostrophe so are therefore the antithesis of UKIP supporters. If we had the Numerical Democrats they would be the antithesis of Corbyn's Momentum Party because they would know how to use a calculator.TheJezziah said:
I had heard a little about the literal democrat (good name in fairness) just didn't realise the scope would reach that far, I thought they could get away with TIG on the ballot.Sandpit said:
You can blame the "Literal Democrat" Richard Huggett for the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998.TheJezziah said:
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huggett0 -
My name is Fred Fernackerpan, I walk about the town,Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.
Sometimes with my trousers up and sometimes with them down.
When they were up, they were up,
When they were down, they were down
And when they were only half way up,
I was arrested.
T. Milligan, 19780 -
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Of course. And she should have reached out across the Commons to take in the views of others as well. And she should have had Labour representation on the negotiating team (ideally Mandelson, as I have consistently argued on here). And she shouldn't have gone behind Davis' back (even if he was incredibly lazy and frustrating). And... well I could be here all morning couldn't I?Roger said:
Don't you think that had Mrs May spent those two years keeping her colleagues informed of what was going on rather than poscards of David Davis smiling like a cheshire cat she might have been in a better position to expect loyalty when she finally presented her plan?DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.
You're not a sea-lion by any chance are you Roger?0 -
Thanks.DavidL said:
Its quite hard to call. The Scottish courts are not big on defamation but have generally been minded to uphold complaints in recent times when they have got to decisions. Two very able QCs neither of whom lose often. Sensible Sheriff for the proof.Theuniondivvie said:
Any professional view?DavidL said:
Quite interested to see how his defamation action works out. Should be issued fairly soon.Theuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1074669070203715584
The interesting question is how the Courts will deal with the Kezia defence. In discrimination law the perception of the "victim" or member of the discriminated group is key, if they perceive that they have been discriminated against they have. Kezia played very strongly on that in her evidence: as a gay woman she was offended. Defamation law is different from that because the test is objective, not what was perceived by Campbell or Kezia. I will be interested to see how that plays.
If the 'What is a wank hole? A hole into which one wanks.' exchange doesn't enter legal mythology, there's nae justice.0 -
Most bizarre ad hom to date.RoyalBlue said:
I have known Casino for some time. I don’t think he’s going to take my tongue-in-cheek comment to heart.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
Have you ever thought of posting something here that wasn’t negative and/or a personal attack? You certainly aren’t doing anything to discourage prejudices about people called Nigel. No wonder the name is dying out.
As for @Casino, "Leaver not liking or understanding art" must be the least surprising thing I've come across all year.0 -
Very good! I tend to see them as being as close to a bunch of ***** as you can get, so they could be referred to as Clitoral Democrats.AlastairMeeks said:
UKIP supporters are disproportionately likely to live on the coast, which makes them littoral democrats.Nigel_Foremain said:
I guess the Literal Democrats know how to use an apostrophe so are therefore the antithesis of UKIP supporters. If we had the Numerical Democrats they would be the antithesis of Corbyn's Momentum Party because they would know how to use a calculator.TheJezziah said:
I had heard a little about the literal democrat (good name in fairness) just didn't realise the scope would reach that far, I thought they could get away with TIG on the ballot.Sandpit said:
You can blame the "Literal Democrat" Richard Huggett for the Registration of Political Parties Act 1998.TheJezziah said:
I stand corrected, a shame for them as Tiggers was a good label (mostly positive attachments to the name if any for people I'd imagine)Sandpit said:
They probably could have registered "Tig" if they'd never stood in front of signs saying "The Independent Group", but the use of "Independent" in the acronym was always going to be problematic for the Electoral Commission as a party name.rottenborough said:
Could they not have been labelled as 'TIG' on ballots?Sandpit said:
Indeed. TIG worked well as a brand.ydoethur said:
I think they should have stuck with Tiggers. It was nice and easy on the tongue and gave rise to many awesome puns about bounces, tails, Winnie elections...Sandpit said:
I'm still laughing that they clearly didn't run their new name past anyone familiar with Urban Dictionary before announcing it. CUKs indeed.TheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/1115686399070613507
Enjoying CUKs work so far.
I'd guess that they couldn't register "The Independent Group" as a party name with the Electoral Commission though, as it could be confused with the description commonly used by candidates of no party affiliation. Memories of the "Literal Democrats" that led to the law on party name registration.
I fear Change UK is a flop as a name.
Parties have used more descriptive names before, such as "David Cameron's Conservatives", and I'd have thought "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party" is likely to come up this year, but such descriptions are to avoid confusion rather than add to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huggett0 -
What utter bullshit! Sorry. I love both - and always have lines of poetry running around my head. I have even made oblique references to lines of poetry in some of my thread headers, mainly for my own amusement. And it has provided comfort to me at times of sadness. As for opera, the last 20 minutes of Don Giovanni or the end of Act 1 of The Marriage of Figaro or E lucevan le stelle from Tosca are sublime. Or The Slaves Chorus from Nabucco - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2F4G5H_TTvU or - well there is so much to choose from.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
I used to recite The Owl and the Pussycat to my children from when they were very tiny as well as loads of other poems. One of the best things you can do for your daughter is read lots of rythmic poetry (Jack and Jill and so on, mving on to Lear and Shakespeare and others) - it will do wonders for her language skills. Rythm is essential to language development; it is something we are hard wired to respond to and to be exposed to it at an early age through poetry is a brilliant way for a child to learn how to understand, speak and write English - a glorious language - well.0 -
Its a false dilemma. We agreed to leave. We need a deal. One has been negotiated. Only 1. The only alternative is no deal which is sub-optimal. So you vote for the deal.OllyT said:
The difference is that the ERG are leavers and vehemently proclaimed that May's deal was a betrayal of the referendum vote. If there was a deal that had unanimous backing of the leavers many remain MPs would have supported it. They were never going to vote for a deal that lots of leavers didn't want.DavidL said:
No it didn't. If the latter had done their duty then the deal would have passed whatever the morons in the ERG did.IanB2 said:
To repeat, the behaviour of the former enabled the latter.DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.
As Brexiteers thrash around blaming anyone and everyone for the current chaos it seems to me that the core problem from day 1 has been that the leavers have never been able to agree on a way forward. How can everyone else even begin to honour the result if its architects can't agree on how to do it?0 -
Oh, I just posted it because I thought it was an amusing cartoonTheuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1074669070203715584
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LOL. Like presenting a gerbil with a bicycle and saying: see what fun it is?Cyclefree said:
What utter bullshit! Sorry. I love both - and always have lines of poetry running around my head. I have even made oblique references to lines of poetry in some of my thread headers, mainly for my own amusement. And it has provided comfort to me at times of sadness. As for opera, the last 20 minutes of Don Giovanni or the end of Act 1 of The Marriage of Figaro or E lucevan le stelle from Tosca are sublime. Or The Slaves Chorus from Nabucco - *bit of well dodgy kultcha snipped* or - well there is so much to choose from.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
I used to recite The Owl and the Pussycat to my children from when they were very tiny as well as loads of other poems. One of the best things you can do for your daughter is read lots of rythmic poetry (Jack and Jill and so on, mving on to Lear and Shakespeare and others) - it will do wonders for her language skills. Rythm is essential to language development; it is something we are hard wired to respond to and to be exposed to it at an early age through poetry is a brilliant way for a child to learn how to understand, speak and write English - a glorious language - well.0 -
Mr. Jezziah, could be worse. At least they didn't go for the Group of Independent Mainstream Progressives.0
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It is not personal, I have no idea who you are, and unless that is not a pseudonym, I probably will never have the pleasure (odd name if it is not). So no, you are wrong on that count. I only indulge in "attacks" as you so thinly skinned think they are, if I consider them funny. The fact that you do not share the humour makes it even funnier. Extremists still blindly support the idiocy of Brexit, and of course, it has been long known that extremists have no sense of humour. Lighten up, it makes the world a fun place, even when the loonies are trying to trash the country in the blind pursuit of a policy of stupidity.RoyalBlue said:
I have known Casino for some time. I don’t think he’s going to take my tongue-in-cheek comment to heart.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
Have you ever thought of posting something here that wasn’t negative and/or a personal attack? You certainly aren’t doing anything to discourage prejudices about people called Nigel. No wonder the name is dying out.0 -
-9?eek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1115896347058692101
Oh Theresa what have you done...0 -
Turkey is not going to join the EU because of events post-referendum, which is cracking good evidence that the claim was correct when it was made.Scott_P said:
Otherwise correct. I am astonished by the lack of one last heave, sunlit uplands talk; you couldn't do it without sounding delusional but that hasn't stopped anyone in the past. Yebbut DEMOCRACEEE is the only argument in town.0 -
Apparently the country is no longer divisible by ancient Party affiliation but by Leave or Remain. In which case it's 39% Leave 50% Remain. Overwheming evidence that we need another Reerendumeek said:A general election to resolve the issue may not be the best idea now Labour's antisemitism is out of the news..
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1115896347058692101
* No idea what happened to the other 11%0 -
BBC contradicting themselves.
Stockpiling by manufacturers ahead of Brexit helped the UK economy grow by 0.3% in the three months to February.
BUT...
"Services again drove the economy, with a continued strong performance in IT. Manufacturing also continued to recover after weakness at the end of last year with the often-erratic pharmaceutical industry, chemicals and alcohol performing well in recent months," said Mr Kent-Smith.
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Sounds good. Despite Brexit I suppose...FrancisUrquhart said:From Gruardian...
Britain’s economy grew by 0.2% in February, better than many City economists had expected. Over the last quarter, GDP grew by 0.3%.
On an annual basis, the UK economy expanded by 2.0% in the last quarter -- the best results since late 2017.
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Most unfair, I believe CR is is a passionate authority on the paintings of Lady Butler and the works of W.E. Johns.TOPPING said:
Most bizarre ad hom to date.RoyalBlue said:
I have known Casino for some time. I don’t think he’s going to take my tongue-in-cheek comment to heart.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
Have you ever thought of posting something here that wasn’t negative and/or a personal attack? You certainly aren’t doing anything to discourage prejudices about people called Nigel. No wonder the name is dying out.
As for @Casino, "Leaver not liking or understanding art" must be the least surprising thing I've come across all year.0 -
The owl and the pussycat is a great one to recite to teenage boys and bet them that they won't laughTOPPING said:
LOL. Like presenting a gerbil with a bicycle and saying: see what fun it is?Cyclefree said:
What utter bullshit! Sorry. I love both - and always have lines of poetry running around my head. I have even made oblique references to lines of poetry in some of my thread headers, mainly for my own amusement. And it has provided comfort to me at times of sadness. As for opera, the last 20 minutes of Don Giovanni or the end of Act 1 of The Marriage of Figaro or E lucevan le stelle from Tosca are sublime. Or The Slaves Chorus from Nabucco - *bit of well dodgy kultcha snipped* or - well there is so much to choose from.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
I used to recite The Owl and the Pussycat to my children from when they were very tiny as well as loads of other poems. One of the best things you can do for your daughter is read lots of rythmic poetry (Jack and Jill and so on, mving on to Lear and Shakespeare and others) - it will do wonders for her language skills. Rythm is essential to language development; it is something we are hard wired to respond to and to be exposed to it at an early age through poetry is a brilliant way for a child to learn how to understand, speak and write English - a glorious language - well.0 -
Before anyone gets over excited by the Kantar poll:
Sampling variance
We have estimated the sampling variation in our voting intention estimates using the
methodology proposed by Kuha and Sturgis (20171). Bootstrap resampling was used to
draw fifty sets of respondents from the achieved sample (in a way which matched the
quota sampling design), each of these new samples was weighted and we then used the
distribution of estimates (from the resamples) to calculate margins of error (the range
containing all but the two most extreme resample results).
• Conservative Party = 27.9% - 36.4%
• Labour Party = 30.6% - 38.4%
• Conservative lead over Labour = -9.9%pts to +5.5%pts
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Mr. JohnL, ah, thanks for that correction.0
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I'm hoping Kezia wins, as I believe she's stated her opinion which was sincerely and honestly held. If we can't do that, then where are we ?DavidL said:
Its quite hard to call. The Scottish courts are not big on defamation but have generally been minded to uphold complaints in recent times when they have got to decisions. Two very able QCs neither of whom lose often. Sensible Sheriff for the proof.Theuniondivvie said:
Any professional view?DavidL said:
Quite interested to see how his defamation action works out. Should be issued fairly soon.Theuniondivvie said:
A (as ever) contrarian view.Pulpstar said:
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1074669070203715584
The interesting question is how the Courts will deal with the Kezia defence. In discrimination law the perception of the "victim" or member of the discriminated group is key, if they perceive that they have been discriminated against they have. Kezia played very strongly on that in her evidence: as a gay woman she was offended. Defamation law is different from that because the test is objective, not what was perceived by Campbell or Kezia. I will be interested to see how that plays.0 -
When I was in my v. late teens the girl to whom I was devoted (love, I thought, as well as lust) left me for someone called Nigel.RoyalBlue said:
I have known Casino for some time. I don’t think he’s going to take my tongue-in-cheek comment to heart.Nigel_Foremain said:
Hilarious bit of mind numbing prejudice from both of you. Here is a bit of mine (though it is born out through evidence): It really is OK. You don't have to try to look clever. You support Brexit, the most unclever idea since Baldrick thought he had a cunning plan.RoyalBlue said:
Your first line is correct, but the second is plain wrong. I accept that neither is for everyone.Casino_Royale said:
Almost all poetry is shit.AlastairMeeks said:Mike's point about it being unwise to mount a coup unless you are confident of coming back with a corpse is a good one. However, we are dealing with men who quote Tennyson, who had some apt words for their strategic prowess:
"Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered."
Like opera it’s something people pretend to like to look clever but actually don’t.
Perhaps you prefer to watch grown men play ball games?
Have you ever thought of posting something here that wasn’t negative and/or a personal attack? You certainly aren’t doing anything to discourage prejudices about people called Nigel. No wonder the name is dying out.
I've never liked the name since.
Sorry Mr F.0 -
Ah but we are back to construction being a negative figure again. So between that and our trade deficit all the Great British traditions are being maintained.tlg86 said:0 -
They might as well not bother if that is the level of variance.CarlottaVance said:Before anyone gets over excited by the Kantar poll:
Sampling variance
We have estimated the sampling variation in our voting intention estimates using the
methodology proposed by Kuha and Sturgis (20171). Bootstrap resampling was used to
draw fifty sets of respondents from the achieved sample (in a way which matched the
quota sampling design), each of these new samples was weighted and we then used the
distribution of estimates (from the resamples) to calculate margins of error (the range
containing all but the two most extreme resample results).
• Conservative Party = 27.9% - 36.4%
• Labour Party = 30.6% - 38.4%
• Conservative lead over Labour = -9.9%pts to +5.5%pts
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17NIrhnkVdnA-ygi_vnsRW7R3LRf8mHWs/view0 -
Hammond and Carney were crying in their cornflakes when they saw the long awaited and much desired Brexit Recession was delayed for another month? 0
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But the most vocal leavers didn't vote for the deal. So we remain.DavidL said:
Its a false dilemma. We agreed to leave. We need a deal. One has been negotiated. Only 1. The only alternative is no deal which is sub-optimal. So you vote for the deal.OllyT said:
The difference is that the ERG are leavers and vehemently proclaimed that May's deal was a betrayal of the referendum vote. If there was a deal that had unanimous backing of the leavers many remain MPs would have supported it. They were never going to vote for a deal that lots of leavers didn't want.DavidL said:
No it didn't. If the latter had done their duty then the deal would have passed whatever the morons in the ERG did.IanB2 said:
To repeat, the behaviour of the former enabled the latter.DavidL said:
That isn't true. The ERG have betrayed Brexit but they are not alone. All of those who voted to oppose May's deal betrayed Brexit. And they continue to do so.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1115883601747484672
Precisely.
The public needs to have this repeated over and over. The Brexiteers have betrayed brexit. No one else.
Unless you are the SNP and (to an extent) the Lib Dems who were elected on different platforms no MP should have voted against May's deal unless they were confident that there was an alternative Brexit that commanded a majority in the House. Which there wasn't. The conduct of our political class has been shameful and the damage to our democracy profound.
As Brexiteers thrash around blaming anyone and everyone for the current chaos it seems to me that the core problem from day 1 has been that the leavers have never been able to agree on a way forward. How can everyone else even begin to honour the result if its architects can't agree on how to do it?0
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