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Well for one it's not really in their interests to reach a deal so it hardly matters, but they could try to insist on measures to make it legally and politically hard for a successor to renege even if you cannot prevent it. Plus theres a good chance of a GE once a deal is done so they dont have to worry.Pulpstar said:
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?GIN1138 said:
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!WhisperingOracle said:
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
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(This is the October March, by the way, not the recent one)Stereotomy said:Telegraph caught lying about People's Vote march attendance numbers https://www.london.gov.uk/questions/2019/4064
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For household goods they are significantly cheaper than supermarkets , for same products.OblitusSumMe said:
B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.FrancisUrquhart said:
B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).malcolmg said:
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.dyedwoolie said:
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residentialMarqueeMark said:
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....dyedwoolie said:
Its 2019s Wooliesydoethur said:Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:
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Who is the English John Spillane?OldKingCole said:
One of the cashiers in Colchester.kle4 said:
There's joy in a Tesco?OblitusSumMe said:
B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.FrancisUrquhart said:
B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).malcolmg said:
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.dyedwoolie said:
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residentialMarqueeMark said:
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....dyedwoolie said:
Its 2019s Wooliesydoethur said:Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:
Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580
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OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?0 -
True, but the Tories are hardly likely to unite behind a new leader. A leadership contest would be very divisive and could well end with some MPs resigning the whip. The Brexiteer wing will never agree to any form of deal with Labour under any leader.Pulpstar said:
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?GIN1138 said:
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!WhisperingOracle said:
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.0 -
Some in the EU may think "No change there, then."williamglenn said:0 -
TM will not revoke before she concedes a referendumRochdalePioneers said:
Here and now such an idea seems longer than 25/1. But as day after day ticks by and we have literally nothing at all new to offer the EU plus a new law forbidding no deal, what options will May have if the EU summit regrettably restates their position of a few weeks ago?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dceyy0cX6J4ydoethur said:
People get excited by the smallest things...as Stormy Daniels famously said.kle4 said:An M and S foods opened recently and people are very excited though.
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These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
That is the Tory way, exploit the poor , low wages and they mop up all the benefits etc as they buy up the housing, utilise the cheap labour.stodge said:Afternoon all
Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
Were we dealing with a PM actively seeking No Deal, I'd get it but May has never been that PM so I don't see why parliament has needed to do what it has done. In any case, the power to grant an extension isn't the UK's in isolation but rests with the EU. IF the EU refuse an extension, May cannot move to No Deal because she is legally unable so to do so she would be forced to revoke with all the political consequences that would flow.
On a completely unrelated, one of the biggest issues in the country is housing and this doesn't help:
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/property-guardian-company-prosecuted-over-former-care-home-where-more-than-30-guardians-lived-with-one-kitchen/
Through schemes like this and the ruthless exploitation by landlords and others of (very often) migrant workers, we have created new slums with more than 20 people living in two or three bedroom semis. On a wider level, this also shames capitalism and the economic model. The exploitation and degradation of individuals in the name of profit shames our society - we must rigorously pursue the individuals responsible and bring them to book but it also forces us to ask questions whether the profit motive and "making money" is as important as it seems to so many.
I worked out a long time it's better to work to live than to live to work.0 -
He will get distracted by something else after the next segment on Fox News in about 15 mins.CarlottaVance said:Fasten your seatbelts!
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And they cannot control the behaviour of any of the elected MEPs throughout Europe without running into the ECJ deeming them unlawfulWhisperingOracle said:
These conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
Hang on, if we can derail all their federal projects as a member state, why do we need to leave in the first place?Scott_P said:0 -
The chemical substances he imbibes are no concern of ours.williamglenn said:0 -
I wouldn't trust May if she gave me her word the sun would rise tomorrow.stodge said:Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
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If only we could have avoided being beholden to their whim somehow.WhisperingOracle said:
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Seen this?stodge said:Afternoon all
Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
Were we dealing with a PM actively seeking No Deal, I'd get it but May has never been that PM so I don't see why parliament has needed to do what it has done. In any case, the power to grant an extension isn't the UK's in isolation but rests with the EU. IF the EU refuse an extension, May cannot move to No Deal because she is legally unable so to do so she would be forced to revoke with all the political consequences that would flow.
On a completely unrelated, one of the biggest issues in the country is housing and this doesn't help:
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/property-guardian-company-prosecuted-over-former-care-home-where-more-than-30-guardians-lived-with-one-kitchen/
Through schemes like this and the ruthless exploitation by landlords and others of (very often) migrant workers, we have created new slums with more than 20 people living in two or three bedroom semis. On a wider level, this also shames capitalism and the economic model. The exploitation and degradation of individuals in the name of profit shames our society - we must rigorously pursue the individuals responsible and bring them to book but it also forces us to ask questions whether the profit motive and "making money" is as important as it seems to so many.
I worked out a long time it's better to work to live than to live to work.
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Donald Vs Juncker!!!CarlottaVance said:Fasten your seatbelts!
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Because it's the Will Of The People™Richard_Nabavi said:
Hang on, if we can derail all their federal projects as a member state, why do we need to leave in the first place?Scott_P said:0 -
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He's got things a bit backwards. We're the ones asking to be kept in.williamglenn said:0 -
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The one clever thing she did was to promise to go when we Brexit.Pulpstar said:
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?GIN1138 said:
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!WhisperingOracle said:
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.0 -
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If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
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How was that clever? It didn't win over any ERGers and gave Labour a good reason not to deal with herIanB2 said:
The one clever thing she did was to promise to go when we Brexit.Pulpstar said:
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?GIN1138 said:
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!WhisperingOracle said:
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.0 -
I have to tell you now that no red carpet welcome was received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.
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Probably the most humiliating imposition on the UK since the Treaty of Paris in 1783.WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:
Hard to think of another occasion on which the UK has had to submit so publicly to foreign supervision.0 -
One of the points is that backbenchers do not trust May. Another is that she may not be PM much longer. Also, May is under pressure from the No Dealers in her party, so devices such as this Act are a way to push back against them by proxy.stodge said:Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
Most of all, the Act creates today's debate, which allows MPs to amend the government's motion and specify the length of the extension to require, and potentially what we would do with the time to win the agreement of the EU to the extension.
On housing, my step-mother was talking yesterday about people sleeping in white vans, parked in a different London residential street each night to more easily evade detection than with a bed in a shed. Have you heard about that?0 -
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
LOLRichard_Nabavi said:
Hang on, if we can derail all their federal projects as a member state, why do we need to leave in the first place?Scott_P said:0 -
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.isam said:0 -
On Politics Live today, it was pointed out that those who fetishize the Will Of The People™ are the ones who are shit scared of asking the people what their will might be now...Stereotomy said:Because it's the Will Of The People™
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No he won't. The chinese trade war is no longer making news in the USA so on to the next newsworthy one...FrancisUrquhart said:
He will get distracted by something else after the next segment on Fox News in about 15 mins.CarlottaVance said:Fasten your seatbelts!
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It is a pipe dream by panicked EU statesCyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
Could she not have had a coffee in cafe with the same bloke Nicola met?Theuniondivvie said:I have to tell you now that no red carpet welcome was received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.0 -
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
Or those who would have never have thought they would find themselves on the side of the argument in which they wanted to overrule a democratic referendum decision. Brexit has rotted many a brain.Scott_P said:
On Politics Live today, it was pointed out that those who fetishize the Will Of The People™ are the ones who are shit scared of asking the people what their will might be now...Stereotomy said:Because it's the Will Of The People™
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The argument was that the British people can’t be trusted not to want to get involved with their federal projects, so we need to leave to remove the temptation.Richard_Nabavi said:
Hang on, if we can derail all their federal projects as a member state, why do we need to leave in the first place?Scott_P said:0 -
Isn't the idea that the extension will be "checkpointed", with opportunities for it to be shortened if we didn't meet the conditions? Beyond that there wouldn't be any further enforcement of the conditionsCyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.0
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Oh god no that is making me feel sorry for May.Theuniondivvie said:I have to tell you now that no red carpet welcome was received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.
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More like Donald vs Timmermans who is now in to 8/1 now he is the centre-left's Spitzenkandidat. He is great value at that price (and has come in from 25/1) as he has more foreign policy experience than Weber and is authentically Russophobic (having been a Dutch spook).GIN1138 said:
Donald Vs Juncker!!!CarlottaVance said:Fasten your seatbelts!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1115578769518018560
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stodge said:
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.isam said:
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.0 -
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
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And, he's the one who's keeping us in.kle4 said:
He's got things a bit backwards. We're the ones asking to be kept in.williamglenn said:
He still hasn't worked out that voting against Brexit means that you don't get Brexit.
I rather liked the suggestion here that someone needs to publish a picture book about Brexit for people like Francois - "Now, what does Barney the Brexit Dog say?"0 -
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function0 -
WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:
Once an MEP (or MP) is elected, there's no such thing as a 'good behaviour' clause.0 -
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Oh god! That's not "Two Brians - No Sense" Willets AND Matt Hancock in the same room together is it????Scott_P said:
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They are now the Brexit party who can't deliver Brexit. So even worse than he thinks.Scott_P said:0 -
When was the last time we heard anything from the Tories about setting up some sort of policy development groups? 10 years ago?Scott_P said:0 -
At least we can be sure which one had more utility.Scott_P said:
Could she not have had a coffee in cafe with the same bloke Nicola met?Theuniondivvie said:I have to tell you now that no red carpet welcome was received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.0 -
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.TOPPING said:OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
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That's actually a pretty reasonable strategy, except they've forgotten the "leave the European Union" bit. Odd, considering.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1115569280144281601
Completely out of control now.0 -
As far as I gather it, the new idea evolving since last night is for enforcement of conditions too. All a bit vague so far though, apparently.Stereotomy said:
Isn't the idea that the extension will be "checkpointed", with opportunities for it to be shortened if we didn't meet the conditions? Beyond that there wouldn't be any further enforcement of the conditionsCyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1115584377642201091Sean_F said:0 -
It would require a treaty to be legally binding agreed by all 27 and enforceable by the ECJedmundintokyo said:
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
The odious ERG seem a bit delusional . A bunch of MPs can’t interfere with EU decision making . This is desperate stuff from the moron Francois and the rest of the Brexit Death Cult .0
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So, extend to 31 Dec 2019, which gives time for a PV, GE, or both.
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She's been there fore a year...notme2 said:stodge said:
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.isam said:
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.
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Why do you need the agreement of 27 countries for the British to make a promise?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would require a treaty to be legally binding agreed by all 27 and enforceable by the ECJedmundintokyo said:
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function0 -
If we leave then these whackos will not be able to shout 'Betrayal' and 'Brexit means Brexit' whilst clinging, sobbing, to a union jack flag, for the rest of their lives, so obviously they have left it out.Tissue_Price said:
That's actually a pretty reasonable strategy, except they've forgotten the "leave the European Union" bit. Odd, considering.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1115569280144281601
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Yup, just as I thought. The conditions are everything now, and the ERG are relishing their child-throwing-balloons disruption powers as usual.Scott_P said:Is JRM an EU double agent?
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They are now the Brexit party who can't deliver Brexit. So even worse than he thinks.Scott_P said:0 -
"I'm David Willetts and I'm here to help you" are words that will strike fear into the heart of any Conservative activist.Pulpstar said:0 -
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Most of whom will be Brexit Party.anothernick said:
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
Nice work Conservatives. There was a time when the party was something to do with maintaining and conserving stuff, rather than just smashing the country to pieces.0 -
Which on current polls leads to a Corbyn minority government and BINO or EUref2 anywayrottenborough said:https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1115569280144281601
Completely out of control now.0 -
It has to comply with UK constitutional requirements but even talking about TM revoking is in another worldBenpointer said:
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.TOPPING said:OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
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It is pathetic nonsense and embarrasses our nation.nico67 said:The odious ERG seem a bit delusional . A bunch of MPs can’t interfere with EU decision making . This is desperate stuff from the moron Francois and the rest of the Brexit Death Cult .
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Presumably she needs to get a grip of her own destiny and leave. People are not spectators in their own lives. Learned helplessness behaviour. Much of which has now been shaken out of the system.TheWhiteRabbit said:
She's been there fore a year...notme2 said:stodge said:
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.isam said:
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.0 -
EU treaties require unanimity, I believe.edmundintokyo said:
Why do you need the agreement of 27 countries for the British to make a promise?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would require a treaty to be legally binding agreed by all 27 and enforceable by the ECJedmundintokyo said:
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
The fact that you are now citing the authority of the ECJ (an European court) to preserve the rights of British MEPs sitting in the 2019-2024 European Parliament, shows how deeply weird this situation has become...Big_G_NorthWales said:
And they cannot control the behaviour of any of the elected MEPs throughout Europe without running into the ECJ deeming them unlawfulWhisperingOracle said:
These conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:
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Be carefulTheScreamingEagles said:
Wouldn’t May announce her resignation but stay in place until a successor appointed? Is that “immediate”?0 -
Predict the lowest turnout in a UKwide election ever?anothernick said:
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
Who is going to bother to turn out to vote for MEPs in vast regions like the South East and North West with little local connection and the country having already voted to Leave the EU anyway other than diehard Remainers for TIG and diehard Leavers for the Brexit Party to make a point0 -
Sure but I don't see why you'd need an EU treaty for the British to say, "We promise to abstain at the Council of Ministers". You'd need one if you wanted to change the EU rules to ignore their vote if they tried to cast it, but why can't they just promise not to cast it?Benpointer said:EU treaties require unanimity, I believe.
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I predict it will be the highest turnout in any European election we’ve had.HYUFD said:
Predict the lowest turnout in a UKwide election ever?anothernick said:
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
Who is going to bother to turn out to vote for MEPs in vast regions like the South East and North West with little local connection and the country having already voted to Leave the EU anyway other than diehard Remainers for TIG and diehard Leavers for the Brexit Party to make a point0 -
Anti incumbency penalty at the next GE. Penalty growing.0
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Trivia factoid of the day:rpjs said:
“Coats and ‘Ats” is a Dutch company I believe. Woolies is still going strong in Oz and South Africa as well, but its overseas branches were long ago sold off separately by the US parent which itself failed about two decades ago.dyedwoolie said:
They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.malcolmg said:
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.dyedwoolie said:
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residentialMarqueeMark said:
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....dyedwoolie said:
Its 2019s Wooliesydoethur said:Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:
Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580
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A promise has to be legally binding through a treatyedmundintokyo said:
Why do you need the agreement of 27 countries for the British to make a promise?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would require a treaty to be legally binding agreed by all 27 and enforceable by the ECJedmundintokyo said:
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
Good conversation about the weather. Us germanics....TOPPING said:
Oh god no that is making me feel sorry for May.Theuniondivvie said:I have to tell you now that no red carpet welcome was received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.
https://twitter.com/jennyhillBBC/status/11155754782643978240 -
She might like being PM for a bit with all the perks like Chequers and no more Brexit worries while the Tories decide which red meat Brexiteer they choose to succeed her and disown her and the CabinetCharles said:
Be carefulTheScreamingEagles said:
Wouldn’t May announce her resignation but stay in place until a successor appointed? Is that “immediate”?0 -
Uhuh? That is written down where precisely?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It has to comply with UK constitutional requirements but even talking about TM revoking is in another worldBenpointer said:
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.TOPPING said:OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
I really rate most of your posts Big_G but like all of us you fall foul of sometimes believing what you wish to be the case, is in fact the case. Your view on the impossibility of the HoC approving EU elections is an example (they didn't need to approve them).
Still, I respect your opinion and accept you may be right on Revoke... I just don't think that legally you are (IMHO).0 -
Does the Brexit party actually even legally exist yet. It seems to be a virtual party not an actual party promoted via Farage’s LBC phone in show?rottenborough said:
Most of whom will be Brexit Party.anothernick said:
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third countrykinabalu said:They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
Nice work Conservatives. There was a time when the party was something to do with maintaining and conserving stuff, rather than just smashing the country to pieces.
Given the EU elections are in barely six weeks doesn’t it need to get a move on?0 -
Any treaty signed whilst we remain a member needs our signature too surelyBig_G_NorthWales said:
A promise has to be legally binding through a treatyedmundintokyo said:
Why do you need the agreement of 27 countries for the British to make a promise?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would require a treaty to be legally binding agreed by all 27 and enforceable by the ECJedmundintokyo said:
Not saying you're wrong but why not?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not possibleedmundintokyo said:
Presumably the country in question could make a legally-binding promise?Cyclefree said:
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?WhisperingOracle said:
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
Probably right.Big_G_NorthWales said:Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
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If you are opposed to the idea of the state housing people I think you should come out and say it.notme2 said:
Presumably she needs to get a grip of her own destiny and leave. People are not spectators in their own lives. Learned helplessness behaviour. Much of which has now been shaken out of the system.TheWhiteRabbit said:
She's been there fore a year...notme2 said:stodge said:
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.isam said:
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.0 -
Hasn't it justviewcode said:
The fact that you are now citing the authority of the ECJ (an European court) to preserve the rights of British MEPs sitting in the 2019-2024 European Parliament, shows how deeply weird this situation has become...Big_G_NorthWales said:
And they cannot control the behaviour of any of the elected MEPs throughout Europe without running into the ECJ deeming them unlawfulWhisperingOracle said:
These conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.Scott_P said:0 -
That promise couldn't and wouldn't tie the next government.edmundintokyo said:
Sure but I don't see why you'd need an EU treaty for the British to say, "We promise to abstain at the Council of Ministers". You'd need one if you wanted to change the EU rules to ignore their vote if they tried to cast it, but why can't they just promise not to cast it?Benpointer said:EU treaties require unanimity, I believe.
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