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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    TGOHF said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Nice to hear Mike Ashley has lost £150m worth of shares.

    Does he get to buy Debenhams for a pound in a month's time ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited April 2019

    Andrew said:


    Thanks; I'll try that. They seem to use a variety of numbers, too, which makes blocking difficult.

    I used to have this too, drove me nuts. Solution was a landline phone with built-in call blocker - mine is a BT 8500 but presumably there are lots of others.

    What it does is when anyone calls from a number not on my contact list, the phone picks up and asks for them to hit number X. Since scammers all use robo-diallers, they can't get past this stage and the call eventually get dropped without ever bothering me (it never even rings). Now the coldcallers never get through.
    Sounds good. Friend of mine has Sky and when she's phoned by someone for the first time the system cuts in and asks for the callers number. If she approves it, fine, and after that one's gets through without problem.

    A relative by marriage was silly enough to follow through on a 'Microsoft Technical' call and it cost him a couple of hundred pounds to 'de-virus' his computer. Trouble was, the caller sounded OK, and my relative is a bit deaf.
    While I enjoy playing games with the “Microsoft Support” people, it’s not funny for those who fall for their scam and I’ve spent quite a bit of time professionally cleaning up the mess they leave behind.

    After keeping them on the line for as long as possible, I usually finish by asking them if their mother is proud of them preying on old and vulnerable people. If it makes one of them think for a minute I’d be happy.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Or they just expect the party and MPs to abide by the manifesto commitments they were voted in on...
    They weren't voted in on the manifesto. They did not get consent for that manifesto.
    Individual MPs were, weren't they?
    Indeed. The overwhelming majority of MPs at the last election made statements as part of their campaign explicitly saying they would not reverse the referendum result.
    Weren't we talking about a customs union, or what Nick Boles suggested CM2.0? Nothing to do with reversing the referendum result.
    If you end up spending damn near as much for the CU as you did in membership, then that is damn near as good as reversing the referendum result......
    It is leaving the EU. That was the question. I know it was three years ago but let's try to focus on the verifiable facts.
    But if you tell voters that you will have a Brexit bonus that you are investing in the NHS - then spend that Brexit bonus, not on the NHS, but on paying the EU for Corbyn's wanky CU - May will discover in short shrift how that plays.....
    First of all no she won't. People have been forecasting May's comeuppance for years now and so far nada. Plus anyway if she gets a deal she will by her own volition step down. And secondly I don't think anyone (apart from us on PB) tracks what on earth any politician has said about what flavour of Brexit we could have.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited April 2019
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    malcolmg said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Who shops in Debenhams these days?
    I do. I've always thought they were pretty good. It's a pity to see them go.
    They should have taken Ashley's offer
    On the face of it, it was a generous offer. I guess that the problem was that they hate Ashley.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, they're reprehensible scammers.

    I cunningly foiled one by being incredibly sleepy, and so annoyed the Indian lady by asking questions that she hung up on me.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    There's a mountain of pick and mix somewhere all rotting and sad
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Who shops in Debenhams these days?
    I do. I've always thought they were pretty good. It's a pity to see them go.
    They should have taken Ashley's offer
    On the face of it, it was a generous offer. I guess that the problem was that they hate Ashley.
    Seeing as he only needed 28.6% of the remaining shareholding to vote with him, they really must have !
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Who shops in Debenhams these days?
    I do. I've always thought they were pretty good. It's a pity to see them go.
    They should have taken Ashley's offer
    On the face of it, it was a generous offer. I guess that the problem was that they hate Ashley.
    Doesn't everyone?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,537
    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:
    Seems harsh for a Mere collision.
    Always thinking outside the box! 👍🏻
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Or they just expect the party and MPs to abide by the manifesto commitments they were voted in on...
    They weren't voted in on the manifesto. They did not get consent for that manifesto.
    Individual MPs were, weren't they?
    Indeed. The overwhelming majority of MPs at the last election made statements as part of their campaign explicitly saying they would not reverse the referendum result.
    Weren't we talking about a customs union, or what Nick Boles suggested CM2.0? Nothing to do with reversing the referendum result.
    If you end up spending damn near as much for the CU as you did in membership, then that is damn near as good as reversing the referendum result......
    It is leaving the EU. That was the question. I know it was three years ago but let's try to focus on the verifiable facts.
    But if you tell voters that you will have a Brexit bonus that you are investing in the NHS - then spend that Brexit bonus, not on the NHS, but on paying the EU for Corbyn's wanky CU - May will discover in short shrift how that plays.....
    There will be no Brexit bonus. Even if we are stupid enough to crash out without a deal we will still end up coughing up what we owe under international treaty obligations. We can only be a pariah state for so long.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Sandpit said:

    Andrew said:


    Thanks; I'll try that. They seem to use a variety of numbers, too, which makes blocking difficult.

    I used to have this too, drove me nuts. Solution was a landline phone with built-in call blocker - mine is a BT 8500 but presumably there are lots of others.

    What it does is when anyone calls from a number not on my contact list, the phone picks up and asks for them to hit number X. Since scammers all use robo-diallers, they can't get past this stage and the call eventually get dropped without ever bothering me (it never even rings). Now the coldcallers never get through.
    Sounds good. Friend of mine has Sky and when she's phoned by someone for the first time the system cuts in and asks for the callers number. If she approves it, fine, and after that one's gets through without problem.

    A relative by marriage was silly enough to follow through on a 'Microsoft Technical' call and it cost him a couple of hundred pounds to 'de-virus' his computer. Trouble was, the caller sounded OK, and my relative is a bit deaf.
    While I enjoy playing games with the “Microsoft Support” people, it’s not funny for those who fall for their scam and I’ve spent quite a bit of time professionally cleaning up the mess they leave behind.

    After keeping them on the line for as long as possible, I usually finish by asking them if their mother is proud of them preying on old and vulnerable people. If it makes one of them think for a minute I’d be happy.
    There are people who make a successful Youtube career out of doing that
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    I ordered something from them yesterday via Amazon. Guess it isn't going to arrive now?
    According to the article they are still trading for the moment,
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    Sounds like an even bigger upside to me.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    Yep they really are that thick.

    Given the EU - America trade war that is about to kick off regarding Airbus I really do wonder how things will play out.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    True and both very good for various things.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    I ordered something from them yesterday via Amazon. Guess it isn't going to arrive now?
    According to the article they are still trading for the moment,
    House of Fraser continued trading but that didn't mean people got the goods they had paid for prior to the administration...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
    Yes I passed that one as well.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    They are worrying about nothing.. Labour's magic Customs Union includes the unique feature of the UK having a say in the EU's trade deals. What could possibly be the problem with that?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
    “Coats and ‘Ats” is a Dutch company I believe. Woolies is still going strong in Oz and South Africa as well, but its overseas branches were long ago sold off separately by the US parent which itself failed about two decades ago.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Guido's take on this has been very instructive. No fan of May's approach at all, nor scared of no deal, but far more pragmatic in the face of the parliament we have.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    There is a brilliant book about how mechanisation is about to usher in the post work world. It is called The Soul of Man Under Socialism - Oscar Wilde, 1891.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
    Yes I passed that one as well.
    As European as apfel strudel
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, they're reprehensible scammers.

    I cunningly foiled one by being incredibly sleepy, and so annoyed the Indian lady by asking questions that she hung up on me.

    Once I asked lots of questions and said my computer was starting up. After wasting some of his time, while I made a coffee I asked him why he didn't get a proper job and stopped trying to rip people off. He asked me to repeat and then started swearing when I did. I couldn't help laughing. But it's rarely worth doing anything other than hanging up. Most of my landline calls are scams nowadays, many of them recorded (including the 'BT' ones), it's rare to get a real person.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, they're reprehensible scammers.

    I cunningly foiled one by being incredibly sleepy, and so annoyed the Indian lady by asking questions that she hung up on me.

    A few years ago went of a cricket watching tour to India, and watched the English language TV channels sometimes. There was an on going series about a young graduate learning to be a call-centre operator, and how proud he was when he got the job.
    It was very, very sad in places. He was trying to tell a suspicious Scots lady at one point that his name really was Andrew, and he was 'just down the lock' from you.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    Mr. Sandpit, yeah, they're reprehensible scammers.

    I cunningly foiled one by being incredibly sleepy, and so annoyed the Indian lady by asking questions that she hung up on me.

    I can usually get them to about 15 minutes before they start to smell a rat, if I’m not working on something when they call I’ll play games by setting up a sandboxed Windows virtual machine on a Mac and let them try and dial into that, or just talking them through a non-existent computer, remembering a long list of instructions before saying I’ll remember to do that when I get in front of the computer tonight.

    I’m sure I’ve managed to get a few companies I’ve worked for removed from their lists, by passing them around the IT department playing games with them. If they’re speaking to IT guys then they’re not speaking to my mum and not making any money.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    It's incredible no one big resigned over opening the talks. To manage to reach agreement with the opposition without anyone resigning is surely impossible.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Apparently Peter Bone is asking why Her Majesty is being "drawn into this" by giving Royal Assent. Is this a hoax, or is he somebody who should have married Ms Head in order to fully win the most Appropriate Name of the Year Award
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    What red lines of theirs are they ditching?
    This is a somewhat difficult question because they didn't really have any red lines beyond the six tests, which are impossible to meet.

    However, unless you subscribe to the theory some people here have that everything Labour does is part of a 12-dimsensional chess strategy to get to No Deal so that Corbyn can become Supreme Leader for life (which Starmer, Cooper, et. al. are inexplicably going along with), they've shown far more flexibility and willingness to compromise in the indicative votes than May did. Either May's Deal + CU or May's Deal + confirmatory referendum could have made it through parliament with Labour's support.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    rpjs said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
    “Coats and ‘Ats” is a Dutch company I believe. Woolies is still going strong in Oz and South Africa as well, but its overseas branches were long ago sold off separately by the US parent which itself failed about two decades ago.
    Indeed Dutch, named for Clemens and August the brothers who founded it.
    I worked there for 2 years without cottoning on that the Canda range was not the Canada range but c and a, like the shop. The one I worked for. Lol
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Talking of scams I've been getting the recorded message HMRC one lately a lot. Annoying
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    Sandpit said:

    Andrew said:


    Thanks; I'll try that. They seem to use a variety of numbers, too, which makes blocking difficult.

    I used to have this too, drove me nuts. Solution was a landline phone with built-in call blocker - mine is a BT 8500 but presumably there are lots of others.

    What it does is when anyone calls from a number not on my contact list, the phone picks up and asks for them to hit number X. Since scammers all use robo-diallers, they can't get past this stage and the call eventually get dropped without ever bothering me (it never even rings). Now the coldcallers never get through.
    Sounds good. Friend of mine has Sky and when she's phoned by someone for the first time the system cuts in and asks for the callers number. If she approves it, fine, and after that one's gets through without problem.

    A relative by marriage was silly enough to follow through on a 'Microsoft Technical' call and it cost him a couple of hundred pounds to 'de-virus' his computer. Trouble was, the caller sounded OK, and my relative is a bit deaf.
    While I enjoy playing games with the “Microsoft Support” people, it’s not funny for those who fall for their scam and I’ve spent quite a bit of time professionally cleaning up the mess they leave behind.

    After keeping them on the line for as long as possible, I usually finish by asking them if their mother is proud of them preying on old and vulnerable people. If it makes one of them think for a minute I’d be happy.
    There are people who make a successful Youtube career out of doing that
    I have on occasion thought about setting myself up to record the interactions, but it’s a legal grey area (outside the USA) to post them online rather then send privately to local police.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Hmmmm Tories and labour having an informal lunch followed by negotiation session. Sounds dealish to me..........

    Are they having beer and sandwiches?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483

    Apparently Peter Bone is asking why Her Majesty is being "drawn into this" by giving Royal Assent. Is this a hoax, or is he somebody who should have married Ms Head in order to fully win the most Appropriate Name of the Year Award

    I've posted before that he went, albeit later, to the school which I did. I always had my suspicions about the people who left to become accountants.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    kle4 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    It's incredible no one big resigned over opening the talks. To manage to reach agreement with the opposition without anyone resigning is surely impossible.
    If you were going to game this as No 10, you'd want a couple of resignations when the CU deal comes into view in order to make the optics look as if Labour was getting places.
    Well that's how I'd plan it anyway.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Apparently Peter Bone is asking why Her Majesty is being "drawn into this" by giving Royal Assent. Is this a hoax, or is he somebody who should have married Ms Head in order to fully win the most Appropriate Name of the Year Award

    I think we already have a Fysh Bone Party within a party.
    The new 3Rs

    Revoke
    Resign
    Retire (to HoL)

    and the Maidenhead byelection naturally takes place at the end of May.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    kle4 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    It's incredible no one big resigned over opening the talks. To manage to reach agreement with the opposition without anyone resigning is surely impossible.
    There are 'big' people left on either side?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752

    Andrew said:


    Thanks; I'll try that. They seem to use a variety of numbers, too, which makes blocking difficult.

    I used to have this too, drove me nuts. Solution was a landline phone with built-in call blocker - mine is a BT 8500 but presumably there are lots of others.

    What it does is when anyone calls from a number not on my contact list, the phone picks up and asks for them to hit number X. Since scammers all use robo-diallers, they can't get past this stage and the call eventually get dropped without ever bothering me (it never even rings). Now the coldcallers never get through.
    Sounds good. Friend of mine has Sky and when she's phoned by someone for the first time the system cuts in and asks for the callers number. If she approves it, fine, and after that one's gets through without problem.

    A relative by marriage was silly enough to follow through on a 'Microsoft Technical' call and it cost him a couple of hundred pounds to 'de-virus' his computer. Trouble was, the caller sounded OK, and my relative is a bit deaf.
    I'm sure their profits largely come from people who are in some way vulnerable for one reason or another.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    So from no extension to one that finishes no later than December 2019. Is apparently the latest Macron position .

    Not sure why the UK media keeps pushing this no extension narrative . There’s zip chance the EU won’t agree to some form of extension .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Apparently Peter Bone is asking why Her Majesty is being "drawn into this" by giving Royal Assent. Is this a hoax, or is he somebody who should have married Ms Head in order to fully win the most Appropriate Name of the Year Award

    I think we already have a Fysh Bone Party within a party.
    The new 3Rs

    Revoke
    Resign
    Retire (to HoL)

    and the Maidenhead byelection naturally takes place at the end of May.
    Boom-boom!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sean_F said:
    Just a civvie, but it's in a few of the papers too
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483
    Sean_F said:
    I thought the ugly one looked a bit like Trump!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,752

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    What's not to like?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Apparently Peter Bone is asking why Her Majesty is being "drawn into this" by giving Royal Assent. Is this a hoax, or is he somebody who should have married Ms Head in order to fully win the most Appropriate Name of the Year Award

    I've posted before that he went, albeit later, to the school which I did. I always had my suspicions about the people who left to become accountants.
    He is a good example of how someone can be professionally qualified while still being immensely stupid.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    I don't think the Tories are polling worse than Labour on all domestic issues (eg the latest polls from Com Res and YouGov).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,006
    Tweets that can probably be repeated tomorrow, the day after and for evvah.

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115571908165152769

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115572431937257473
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Sean_F said:
    A refugee from Haringey council, 1960s.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    rpjs said:

    Hmmmm Tories and labour having an informal lunch followed by negotiation session. Sounds dealish to me..........

    Are they having beer and sandwiches?
    I hope they have agreed on fudge
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    It's incredible no one big resigned over opening the talks. To manage to reach agreement with the opposition without anyone resigning is surely impossible.
    If you were going to game this as No 10, you'd want a couple of resignations when the CU deal comes into view in order to make the optics look as if Labour was getting places.
    Well that's how I'd plan it anyway.
    But it would be a couple... of dozen.

    That’s a big problem for the PM.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Chris said:

    Andrew said:


    Thanks; I'll try that. They seem to use a variety of numbers, too, which makes blocking difficult.

    I used to have this too, drove me nuts. Solution was a landline phone with built-in call blocker - mine is a BT 8500 but presumably there are lots of others.

    What it does is when anyone calls from a number not on my contact list, the phone picks up and asks for them to hit number X. Since scammers all use robo-diallers, they can't get past this stage and the call eventually get dropped without ever bothering me (it never even rings). Now the coldcallers never get through.
    Sounds good. Friend of mine has Sky and when she's phoned by someone for the first time the system cuts in and asks for the callers number. If she approves it, fine, and after that one's gets through without problem.

    A relative by marriage was silly enough to follow through on a 'Microsoft Technical' call and it cost him a couple of hundred pounds to 'de-virus' his computer. Trouble was, the caller sounded OK, and my relative is a bit deaf.
    I'm sure their profits largely come from people who are in some way vulnerable for one reason or another.
    Sadly yes. They’re utter scumbags who know exactly what they’re doing.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Re, polling for the EU referendum polling, it was striking by how much the polling diverged in 2015 and 2016. While the MORI lead of 44% for Remain was an outlier, there were several 20% + Leads for Remain, and a few double-digit leads for Leave.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    It's incredible no one big resigned over opening the talks. To manage to reach agreement with the opposition without anyone resigning is surely impossible.
    There are 'big' people left on either side?
    By virtue of position only.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sean_F said:
    I wish I cared but, alas
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    kle4 said:
    #ThirdReichReborn
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    If you lose claim irregularities - in a vote you previously stated was perfectly managed.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1115572519870914560
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    All the remaining Brexiteers except for Gove will resign I think... Theresa May's future depends on what Hunt and Javid do.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,146
    edited April 2019

    Talking of scams I've been getting the recorded message HMRC one lately a lot. Annoying

    So have I.

    I block the number each time under BT protect and have spoken to them. They are monitoring the blocked calls and asked to ring 0800 661 441 if it continues. To be fair since contacting BT the calls have stopped for now

    Hope this helps
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited April 2019

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    They are very profitable. Year on year revenue and profit growth for past 10 years.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    eek said:

    If you lose claim irregularities - in a vote you previously stated was perfectly managed.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1115572519870914560

    Straight out of the aspiring despots playbook. While you are still pretty popular you can get away with it

  • UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Talking of scams I've been getting the recorded message HMRC one lately a lot. Annoying

    So have I.

    I block the number each time under BT protect and have spoken to them. They are monitoring the blocked calls and asked to ring 0800 661 441 if it continues. To be fair since contacting BT the calls have stopped for now

    Hope this helps
    Thanks, will try that
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    Tweets that can probably be repeated tomorrow, the day after and for evvah.

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115571908165152769

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115572431937257473

    Bridgen Morris and Francois. As wrong as Robert Peston.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163


    UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.

    Well it is Barniers deal not just Mays'. I wouldn't be surprised if it is better for him if it passes and he like May has false hope for it. But the 27 are not fools, they know it's dead.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    eek said:

    If you lose claim irregularities - in a vote you previously stated was perfectly managed.

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/1115572519870914560

    I'm not sure the voters were sure what they were voting for. Of course, there should be a 'confirmatory' vote to check.
  • Tweets that can probably be repeated tomorrow, the day after and for evvah.

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115571908165152769

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115572431937257473

    what in battleships games? Private Francois is really powering ahead in the Brexit Bell-end league table.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    There's joy in a Tesco?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Tweets that can probably be repeated tomorrow, the day after and for evvah.

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115571908165152769

    https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1115572431937257473

    what in battleships games? Private Francois is really powering ahead in the Brexit Bell-end league table.
    It's a competitive field, and the stakes were raised by Brexit hard man Steve Baker.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    There's joy in a Tesco?
    One of the cashiers in Colchester.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    All the remaining Brexiteers except for Gove will resign I think... Theresa May's future depends on what Hunt and Javid do.
    TM has no future by her own admission and that is why she has freedom to seek national unity
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited April 2019
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    There's joy in a Tesco?
    Personally I am glad for all these down market establishments, it means I can buy my unicorn poop from Waitrose in peace.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,537
    TOPPING said:

    Hmmmm Tories and labour having an informal lunch followed by negotiation session. Sounds dealish to me..........

    beer and sandwiches?
    Yes, it does, especially with the participants: Philip Jammond, John McDonnell, Michael Gove, David Lidington,Stephen Barclay, Greg Clark, and Julian Smith, the chief whip. All of those apart from Gove and Simth (who are at heart pragmatists) are in varying degrees identified with the Remain/soft Brexit spectrum.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Chris said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    What's not to like?
    That Nick didn't mention Grayling?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,888

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    Tesco "Value" range has been rebranded "T. E. Stockwell & Co." :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    GIN1138 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    All the remaining Brexiteers except for Gove will resign I think... Theresa May's future depends on what Hunt and Javid do.
    TM has no future by her own admission and that is why she has freedom to seek national unity
    Good luck with that if over half her Cabinet resigns. :D
  • Here and now such an idea seems longer than 25/1. But as day after day ticks by and we have literally nothing at all new to offer the EU plus a new law forbidding no deal, what options will May have if the EU summit regrettably restates their position of a few weeks ago?

  • UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.

    Any mechanism will be unenforceable if the UK remain a member with MEPS no matter how the EU try to restrict it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    There's joy in a Tesco?
    Personally I am glad for all these down market establishments, it means I can buy my unicorn poop from Waitrose in peace.
    Wouldn't know, never been in a waitrose in my life. An M and S foods opened recently and people are very excited though.

    My main gripe with Tesco's is the ring doughnuts decreased in size a couple of months ago. Outrageous.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited April 2019


    UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.

    Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE! :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    GIN1138 said:


    UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.

    Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE! :D
    The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Debenham's creditors have taken possession of the business:

    Debenhams falls into hands of lenders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47864580

    Its 2019s Woolies
    Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
    Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
    I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
    B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
    B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
    There's joy in a Tesco?
    Everything is relative.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Telegraph caught lying about People's Vote march attendance numbers https://www.london.gov.uk/questions/2019/4064
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,902
    Afternoon all :)

    Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.

    Were we dealing with a PM actively seeking No Deal, I'd get it but May has never been that PM so I don't see why parliament has needed to do what it has done. In any case, the power to grant an extension isn't the UK's in isolation but rests with the EU. IF the EU refuse an extension, May cannot move to No Deal because she is legally unable so to do so she would be forced to revoke with all the political consequences that would flow.

    On a completely unrelated, one of the biggest issues in the country is housing and this doesn't help:

    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/property-guardian-company-prosecuted-over-former-care-home-where-more-than-30-guardians-lived-with-one-kitchen/

    Through schemes like this and the ruthless exploitation by landlords and others of (very often) migrant workers, we have created new slums with more than 20 people living in two or three bedroom semis. On a wider level, this also shames capitalism and the economic model. The exploitation and degradation of individuals in the name of profit shames our society - we must rigorously pursue the individuals responsible and bring them to book but it also forces us to ask questions whether the profit motive and "making money" is as important as it seems to so many.

    I worked out a long time it's better to work to live than to live to work.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    GIN1138 said:


    UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year

    Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.

    But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.

    Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE! :D
    In a Brexit's dreams. In reality we will continue to an inevitable revocation and the impulsion of the Tory party.
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Fox and Leadsom both seem to have moved to a position where they can't easily accept a customs arrangement (whatever it's called) without resigning.

    All the remaining Brexiteers except for Gove will resign I think... Theresa May's future depends on what Hunt and Javid do.
    TM has no future by her own admission and that is why she has freedom to seek national unity
    Good luck with that if over half her Cabinet resigns. :D
    Frankly I am past caring.

    No deal is virtually off the table, softer brexit or remain looms, the ultra hard brexiters become more prattish every day and are a laughing stock so much so 28 of their group peeled away yesterday, and last nights votes showed that they have no more than 85 of the 650 mps on their side
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