UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?
Well for one it's not really in their interests to reach a deal so it hardly matters, but they could try to insist on measures to make it legally and politically hard for a successor to renege even if you cannot prevent it. Plus theres a good chance of a GE once a deal is done so they dont have to worry.
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
For household goods they are significantly cheaper than supermarkets , for same products.
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
B&M and Wilcos have since grown massively and are basically Woolies, minus trying to flog stuff like CDs / DVDs / Books (which was killing Woolies).
B&M is like a Tesco, but with the food/non-food balance reversed and all the joy sucked out. I'm amazed they're still in business.
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?
True, but the Tories are hardly likely to unite behind a new leader. A leadership contest would be very divisive and could well end with some MPs resigning the whip. The Brexiteer wing will never agree to any form of deal with Labour under any leader.
Here and now such an idea seems longer than 25/1. But as day after day ticks by and we have literally nothing at all new to offer the EU plus a new law forbidding no deal, what options will May have if the EU summit regrettably restates their position of a few weeks ago?
TM will not revoke before she concedes a referendum
Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
Were we dealing with a PM actively seeking No Deal, I'd get it but May has never been that PM so I don't see why parliament has needed to do what it has done. In any case, the power to grant an extension isn't the UK's in isolation but rests with the EU. IF the EU refuse an extension, May cannot move to No Deal because she is legally unable so to do so she would be forced to revoke with all the political consequences that would flow.
On a completely unrelated, one of the biggest issues in the country is housing and this doesn't help:
Through schemes like this and the ruthless exploitation by landlords and others of (very often) migrant workers, we have created new slums with more than 20 people living in two or three bedroom semis. On a wider level, this also shames capitalism and the economic model. The exploitation and degradation of individuals in the name of profit shames our society - we must rigorously pursue the individuals responsible and bring them to book but it also forces us to ask questions whether the profit motive and "making money" is as important as it seems to so many.
I worked out a long time it's better to work to live than to live to work.
That is the Tory way, exploit the poor , low wages and they mop up all the benefits etc as they buy up the housing, utilise the cheap labour.
Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
Were we dealing with a PM actively seeking No Deal, I'd get it but May has never been that PM so I don't see why parliament has needed to do what it has done. In any case, the power to grant an extension isn't the UK's in isolation but rests with the EU. IF the EU refuse an extension, May cannot move to No Deal because she is legally unable so to do so she would be forced to revoke with all the political consequences that would flow.
On a completely unrelated, one of the biggest issues in the country is housing and this doesn't help:
Through schemes like this and the ruthless exploitation by landlords and others of (very often) migrant workers, we have created new slums with more than 20 people living in two or three bedroom semis. On a wider level, this also shames capitalism and the economic model. The exploitation and degradation of individuals in the name of profit shames our society - we must rigorously pursue the individuals responsible and bring them to book but it also forces us to ask questions whether the profit motive and "making money" is as important as it seems to so many.
I worked out a long time it's better to work to live than to live to work.
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?
The one clever thing she did was to promise to go when we Brexit.
UK likely to be offered Brexit extension until end of year
Barnier implored EU ministers meeting in Luxembourg to keep the pressure on MPs to back the deal by supporting May’s request for a Brexit delay only up until 30 June, a leaked diplomatic note of the debate reveals.
But, according to the note seen by the Guardian, there is instead growing support for the idea of a lengthy extension, with around nine months looking likely. None of the EU27 ruled out such a delay, instead insisting on a “mechanism” to keep check on the British government’s behaviour.
Gives just enough time to get rid of May, get a Brexiteer Con leader, hold a general election to elect a new Parliament and then leave on NYE!
The Tories really should get rid of May. How can Labour deal with them when they know she'll be succeeded immediately ?
The one clever thing she did was to promise to go when we Brexit.
How was that clever? It didn't win over any ERGers and gave Labour a good reason not to deal with her
Have to say I'm still not sure what the point of Cooper-Letwin was or is. Given May has said she will not accept No Deal, placing the fact she won't in law seems pointless in extremis.
One of the points is that backbenchers do not trust May. Another is that she may not be PM much longer. Also, May is under pressure from the No Dealers in her party, so devices such as this Act are a way to push back against them by proxy.
Most of all, the Act creates today's debate, which allows MPs to amend the government's motion and specify the length of the extension to require, and potentially what we would do with the time to win the agreement of the EU to the extension.
On housing, my step-mother was talking yesterday about people sleeping in white vans, parked in a different London residential street each night to more easily evade detection than with a bed in a shed. Have you heard about that?
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.
On Politics Live today, it was pointed out that those who fetishize the Will Of The People™ are the ones who are shit scared of asking the people what their will might be now...
On Politics Live today, it was pointed out that those who fetishize the Will Of The People™ are the ones who are shit scared of asking the people what their will might be now...
Or those who would have never have thought they would find themselves on the side of the argument in which they wanted to overrule a democratic referendum decision. Brexit has rotted many a brain.
Hang on, if we can derail all their federal projects as a member state, why do we need to leave in the first place?
The argument was that the British people can’t be trusted not to want to get involved with their federal projects, so we need to leave to remove the temptation.
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?
Isn't the idea that the extension will be "checkpointed", with opportunities for it to be shortened if we didn't meet the conditions? Beyond that there wouldn't be any further enforcement of the conditions
More like Donald vs Timmermans who is now in to 8/1 now he is the centre-left's Spitzenkandidat. He is great value at that price (and has come in from 25/1) as he has more foreign policy experience than Weber and is authentically Russophobic (having been a Dutch spook).
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
He's got things a bit backwards. We're the ones asking to be kept in.
And, he's the one who's keeping us in.
He still hasn't worked out that voting against Brexit means that you don't get Brexit.
I rather liked the suggestion here that someone needs to publish a picture book about Brexit for people like Francois - "Now, what does Barney the Brexit Dog say?"
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
These "good behaviour" conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.
If a country is a member, what is the legal basis for imposing conditions on how it exercises its membership rights?
Isn't the idea that the extension will be "checkpointed", with opportunities for it to be shortened if we didn't meet the conditions? Beyond that there wouldn't be any further enforcement of the conditions
As far as I gather it, the new idea evolving since last night is for enforcement of conditions too. All a bit vague so far though, apparently.
The odious ERG seem a bit delusional . A bunch of MPs can’t interfere with EU decision making . This is desperate stuff from the moron Francois and the rest of the Brexit Death Cult .
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
She's been there fore a year...
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.
That's actually a pretty reasonable strategy, except they've forgotten the "leave the European Union" bit. Odd, considering.
If we leave then these whackos will not be able to shout 'Betrayal' and 'Brexit means Brexit' whilst clinging, sobbing, to a union jack flag, for the rest of their lives, so obviously they have left it out.
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.
Most of whom will be Brexit Party.
Nice work Conservatives. There was a time when the party was something to do with maintaining and conserving stuff, rather than just smashing the country to pieces.
OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
It has to comply with UK constitutional requirements but even talking about TM revoking is in another world
The odious ERG seem a bit delusional . A bunch of MPs can’t interfere with EU decision making . This is desperate stuff from the moron Francois and the rest of the Brexit Death Cult .
It is pathetic nonsense and embarrasses our nation.
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
She's been there fore a year...
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.
Presumably she needs to get a grip of her own destiny and leave. People are not spectators in their own lives. Learned helplessness behaviour. Much of which has now been shaken out of the system.
These conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.
And they cannot control the behaviour of any of the elected MEPs throughout Europe without running into the ECJ deeming them unlawful
The fact that you are now citing the authority of the ECJ (an European court) to preserve the rights of British MEPs sitting in the 2019-2024 European Parliament, shows how deeply weird this situation has become...
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.
Predict the lowest turnout in a UKwide election ever?
Who is going to bother to turn out to vote for MEPs in vast regions like the South East and North West with little local connection and the country having already voted to Leave the EU anyway other than diehard Remainers for TIG and diehard Leavers for the Brexit Party to make a point
Sure but I don't see why you'd need an EU treaty for the British to say, "We promise to abstain at the Council of Ministers". You'd need one if you wanted to change the EU rules to ignore their vote if they tried to cast it, but why can't they just promise not to cast it?
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.
Predict the lowest turnout in a UKwide election ever?
Who is going to bother to turn out to vote for MEPs in vast regions like the South East and North West with little local connection and the country having already voted to Leave the EU anyway other than diehard Remainers for TIG and diehard Leavers for the Brexit Party to make a point
I predict it will be the highest turnout in any European election we’ve had.
Sadly true. But then, much retail is 2019 Woolies.....
Indeed. It's all online now. And all mechanized etc. We will need universal income within the decade, we are entering the post work world. City centres will revert to primarily residential
I passed a Woolworths yesterday , they have survived in the EU. Says it all really.
They still have c&a too, my employers when I was a sixth former.
“Coats and ‘Ats” is a Dutch company I believe. Woolies is still going strong in Oz and South Africa as well, but its overseas branches were long ago sold off separately by the US parent which itself failed about two decades ago.
Trivia factoid of the day:
Woolies paid for the incomparably lovely Winfield House in Regents Park
Wouldn’t May announce her resignation but stay in place until a successor appointed? Is that “immediate”?
She might like being PM for a bit with all the perks like Chequers and no more Brexit worries while the Tories decide which red meat Brexiteer they choose to succeed her and disown her and the Cabinet
OK so who can remember the process for invoking Article 50? MV? Simple majority?
And of course can you do it twice?
Debatable whether it needs a HoC vote, though it would be advisable of course. May was given the power to invoke A50 IIRC, nothing to say she had to, and nothing to prevent her from issuing an executive order to do so imo.
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
It has to comply with UK constitutional requirements but even talking about TM revoking is in another world
Uhuh? That is written down where precisely?
I really rate most of your posts Big_G but like all of us you fall foul of sometimes believing what you wish to be the case, is in fact the case. Your view on the impossibility of the HoC approving EU elections is an example (they didn't need to approve them).
Still, I respect your opinion and accept you may be right on Revoke... I just don't think that legally you are (IMHO).
They do not want British MEPs. We do not want British MEPs. So I imagine a way will be found that results in no British MEPs. Not sure how though - other than the obvious of passing the WA.
Already ruled out by the ECJ. You are either a member will full rights or you are a third country
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
And the legal steps to start the election campaign have already been taken so unless the WA is agreed in the very near future (rather a small possibility I think) we are going to elect MEPs on 23rd May.
Most of whom will be Brexit Party.
Nice work Conservatives. There was a time when the party was something to do with maintaining and conserving stuff, rather than just smashing the country to pieces.
Does the Brexit party actually even legally exist yet. It seems to be a virtual party not an actual party promoted via Farage’s LBC phone in show?
Given the EU elections are in barely six weeks doesn’t it need to get a move on?
Thanks - the use of Property Guardians is emerging as one of the real scandals of our time. The theory of providing cheap accommodation for key workers has been around for years and being able to quickly convert office blocks and unused public buildings into effectively dormitories for NHS workers to live nearer where they work isn't without merit but as always Government has simply allowed the private sector the latitude - insufficient regulation has as we always see led to exploitation.
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
She's been there fore a year...
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.
Presumably she needs to get a grip of her own destiny and leave. People are not spectators in their own lives. Learned helplessness behaviour. Much of which has now been shaken out of the system.
If you are opposed to the idea of the state housing people I think you should come out and say it.
These conditions the EU are going to attach are going to become very politically important now.
And they cannot control the behaviour of any of the elected MEPs throughout Europe without running into the ECJ deeming them unlawful
The fact that you are now citing the authority of the ECJ (an European court) to preserve the rights of British MEPs sitting in the 2019-2024 European Parliament, shows how deeply weird this situation has become...
Sure but I don't see why you'd need an EU treaty for the British to say, "We promise to abstain at the Council of Ministers". You'd need one if you wanted to change the EU rules to ignore their vote if they tried to cast it, but why can't they just promise not to cast it?
That promise couldn't and wouldn't tie the next government.
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And of course can you do it twice?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-47720887
consequently this country is at war with Germany.
https://twitter.com/jennyhillBBC/status/1115575478264397824
Hard to think of another occasion on which the UK has had to submit so publicly to foreign supervision.
Most of all, the Act creates today's debate, which allows MPs to amend the government's motion and specify the length of the extension to require, and potentially what we would do with the time to win the agreement of the EU to the extension.
On housing, my step-mother was talking yesterday about people sleeping in white vans, parked in a different London residential street each night to more easily evade detection than with a bed in a shed. Have you heard about that?
"Ms Smith is one of hundreds of residents placed at Terminus House" you mean she's in emergency/temporary accommodation. What does she expect, a penthouse suite? Some people FFS.
Completely out of control now.
He still hasn't worked out that voting against Brexit means that you don't get Brexit.
I rather liked the suggestion here that someone needs to publish a picture book about Brexit for people like Francois - "Now, what does Barney the Brexit Dog say?"
In the absence of the WDA and with an extended A50 we are a full member
Otherwise the new EU Parliament will not be able to legally pass laws or function
Once an MEP (or MP) is elected, there's no such thing as a 'good behaviour' clause.
#Disaster
As I say, it would be advisable to get a HoC vote so she will no doubt do that... Oh
I hope the Electoral Commission have got working on the PV2 logistics already!
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1115586056089370624
Presumably there are a shortage of places available.
Nice work Conservatives. There was a time when the party was something to do with maintaining and conserving stuff, rather than just smashing the country to pieces.
Wouldn’t May announce her resignation but stay in place until a successor appointed? Is that “immediate”?
Who is going to bother to turn out to vote for MEPs in vast regions like the South East and North West with little local connection and the country having already voted to Leave the EU anyway other than diehard Remainers for TIG and diehard Leavers for the Brexit Party to make a point
Woolies paid for the incomparably lovely Winfield House in Regents Park
I really rate most of your posts Big_G but like all of us you fall foul of sometimes believing what you wish to be the case, is in fact the case. Your view on the impossibility of the HoC approving EU elections is an example (they didn't need to approve them).
Still, I respect your opinion and accept you may be right on Revoke... I just don't think that legally you are (IMHO).
Given the EU elections are in barely six weeks doesn’t it need to get a move on?
But we will see - necessity is the mother of invention.