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  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Good afternoon
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    Astonishing that Johnson, a backbencher with a failed period as Foreign Secretary his only notable achievement - if that is the right word - since becoming an MP again, should be at the top of this list.

    Oh - and am I first?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    No - how sad. :(

    Never mind: Gardeners' Question Time on soon. :)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,826
    Third like Boris
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Hancock edges up from background noise to noise......
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Cyclefree said:

    No - how sad. :(

    Never mind: Gardeners' Question Time on soon. :)

    How's the Finger of Doom?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,894
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mordaunt's clearly the best option*.

    *For my wallet.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1114164187607990272
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    Cyclefree said:

    Astonishing that Johnson, a backbencher with a failed period as Foreign Secretary his only notable achievement - if that is the right word - since becoming an MP again, should be at the top of this list.

    Oh - and am I first?

    Like Jeremy Thorpe, he is a man of unblemished reputation.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,615
    Apologies if this is old news, but is Lord Ashcroft funding the Brexit Party? He is rounding up the troops on Twitter today
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,203
    Yesterday, Matt Hancock spoke at the same event as me. Today, his odds as next PM are up. Do the maths yourselves.

    I am available for bookings.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    bondegezou said:

    Yesterday, Matt Hancock spoke at the same event as me. Today, his odds as next PM are up. Do the maths yourselves.

    I am available for bookings.

    But how did the odds on you shift?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Cyclefree said:

    No - how sad. :(

    Never mind: Gardeners' Question Time on soon. :)

    Thanks for the reminder - just switched it on!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,289
    The DUP nutjobs now moaning about no deal being taken off the table . What a reprehensible bunch of vile bigots who want the return of a hard border .
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    JRM on R4 "The EU should be careful for what it wishes for."

    Don't they teach any grammar at Eton?
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    nico67 said:

    The DUP nutjobs now moaning about no deal being taken off the table . What a reprehensible bunch of vile bigots who want the return of a hard border .

    NEVER NEVER NEVER
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,961
    I am on Hancock. But I do wonder how he would win the member's vote.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,961
    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,180
    Hancock? this Hancock?

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1114064902694559744?s=19
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    My legendary modesty etc

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1113734260870012929?s=21
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
    I do wonder how much was a personal vote for May for buggering on regardless. She is short of fans on here, but out there, maybe there are people who are quietly cheering her on? As such, it is not part of the Tory vote - but could still be a factor if we get a by-election in Peterborough and she is still in Number 10.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    For some reason, Jacob Rees-Mogg is far shorter to be next Prime Minister than to be next leader of the Conservative party. I'm trying and failing to imagine the circumstances in which an odds differential that way round might be justified.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    rottenborough said:

    I am on Hancock. But I do wonder how he would win the member's vote.

    Do I spot a double entendre there?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,807
    Benpointer said:

    JRM on R4 "The EU should be careful for what it wishes for."

    Don't they teach any grammar at Eton?

    "In this ever-changing world in which we live in": "Live and Let Die", lyrics by Paul McCartney.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,694
    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Astonishing that Johnson, a backbencher with a failed period as Foreign Secretary his only notable achievement - if that is the right word - since becoming an MP again, should be at the top of this list.

    Oh - and am I first?

    Like Jeremy Thorpe, he is a man of unblemished reputation.
    Jeremy T was, I believe entirely faithful to his wives, so far as affairs with ladies were concerned.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    AlastairMeeks said:

    For some reason, Jacob Rees-Mogg is far shorter to be next Prime Minister than to be next leader of the Conservative party. I'm trying and failing to imagine the circumstances in which an odds differential that way round might be justified.

    So, you don't see him as the obvious leader of a government of national unity?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    Who would have to agree that plan? And is it, in fact, a plan or is it just an ERG wish?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    OldKingCole said:

    Sean_F said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Astonishing that Johnson, a backbencher with a failed period as Foreign Secretary his only notable achievement - if that is the right word - since becoming an MP again, should be at the top of this list.

    Oh - and am I first?

    Like Jeremy Thorpe, he is a man of unblemished reputation.
    Jeremy T was, I believe entirely faithful to his wives, so far as affairs with ladies were concerned.
    That's a fine lawyer's answer.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    For some reason, Jacob Rees-Mogg is far shorter to be next Prime Minister than to be next leader of the Conservative party. I'm trying and failing to imagine the circumstances in which an odds differential that way round might be justified.

    So, you don't see him as the obvious leader of a government of national unity?
    Not a gnuther gnu?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,818
    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
    I do wonder how much was a personal vote for May for buggering on regardless. She is short of fans on here, but out there, maybe there are people who are quietly cheering her on? As such, it is not part of the Tory vote - but could still be a factor if we get a by-election in Peterborough and she is still in Number 10.
    I think that's a good point - quite a few people, Leave and Remain, respect her perseverance imo.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    For some reason, Jacob Rees-Mogg is far shorter to be next Prime Minister than to be next leader of the Conservative party. I'm trying and failing to imagine the circumstances in which an odds differential that way round might be justified.

    So, you don't see him as the obvious leader of a government of national unity?
    I'm afraid I would send this particular would-be Cincinnatus back to his plough.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,894
    Mr. Viewcode, point of order: lyrics are able to take advantage of poetic licence.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,826
    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
    There's been a swing toward them in Wales over recent years that doesn't carry across to England
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Not sure it does Hancock's chances much good to describe him as an Osborne protégé.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,196
    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
    If the Deal had gone through, yes.

    At present, I expect the Tory vote to splinter sufficiently to "send a message" that results in a Labour win.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    What's Fortnite?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,707
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    I'm not addicted to PB... I could quit anytime I want... :cold_sweat:
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    RobD said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    I'm not addicted to PB... I could quit anytime I want... :cold_sweat:
    Shit, hang on, I forgot to feed the kids for the last three days
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    edited April 2019
    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    edited April 2019
    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Benpointer said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    What's Fortnite?
    It is an addictive online game played by members of the Royal family
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    Its all about the Apex Legends these days.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,961
    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....

    Sunday.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    MarqueeMark said:

    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Tories should be favourites to win Peterborough after the Newport result.

    In current circumstances, I'm amazed the Conservative vote share was down only 1% on 2015.
    I do wonder how much was a personal vote for May for buggering on regardless. She is short of fans on here, but out there, maybe there are people who are quietly cheering her on? As such, it is not part of the Tory vote - but could still be a factor if we get a by-election in Peterborough and she is still in Number 10.
    Yes I think a lot of people, women particularly, think she is trying her best and it's all those stupid MPs who are putting a spoke in things. There's quite a lot of sympathy, which she doesn't really deserve IMO but it's there all the same. And it could well be lost by a new Tory leader.

  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,340
    viewcode said:

    Benpointer said:

    JRM on R4 "The EU should be careful for what it wishes for."

    Don't they teach any grammar at Eton?

    "In this ever-changing world in which we live in": "Live and Let Die", lyrics by Paul McCartney.
    Always thought that one could easily have been fixed by "in which we're living".
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....

    Sunday.
    Fight...fight...fight...fight....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....

    Sunday.
    Fight...fight...fight...fight....
    I might delay a thread on AV for it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    If that waste of space Hancock becomes PM I'm going to chain myself to something... :D
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Harris_Tweed said:

    viewcode said:

    Benpointer said:

    JRM on R4 "The EU should be careful for what it wishes for."

    Don't they teach any grammar at Eton?

    "In this ever-changing world in which we live in": "Live and Let Die", lyrics by Paul McCartney.
    Always thought that one could easily have been fixed by "in which we're living".
    I suspect JRM was going to say "The EU should be careful for what it wishes", and added the final 'for' to avoid sounding too posh.

    The end result is the sort of language up with which we will not put.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....

    Sunday.
    Fight...fight...fight...fight....
    I might delay a thread on AV for it.
    Use of AV in the Anglo-Saxon Witenagemot?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,657
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    St.Helens is the boundary. Some (Johnny Vegas) have distinctly Lancashire accents. Others obviously Scouse.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,894
    Mr. Urquhart, Westminster is politics' answer to Anthem.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Now that Manchester United are managed by a boyhood Liverpool fan perhaps we can see some reconciliation between the two cities.

    Although given Manchester United’s overwhelmingly Southern England fan base I’m not that optimistic.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    Its all about the Apex Legends these days.
    Yea, but this is the Royals, you cant expect even Harry to be that up to date!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,856
    edited April 2019
    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    I always assumed that the unique Scouse accent was due to it being virtually an Irish colony. It even returned an Irish Nationalist MP until (I think) 1919. Manchester has a strong Irish influence too of course but you can still hear the underlying Lancashire.

    I grew up in Reading before moving aged 10 to a village between Canterbury and Whitstable. Trying to iron out my Berkshire infused East Kent estuary into RP at Oxford has left me with a horrible bastard hybrid that means I get mistaken for Australian far more often than I’d like.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    What no new thread on the influence of the Vikings as opposed to the Romans on our legal system....

    Sunday.
    But I don't like Spam
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Urquhart, Westminster is politics' answer to Anthem.

    Unfortunately, unlike Anthem, we can't just ignore it and hope it goes away and dies quietly without hurting anybody.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    The question is; is this site more or less addictive than Fortnite if you are a political nerd?

    Less loot boxes.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2019
    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    20 miles from Carlisle to Lockerbie. Accents are poles apart. 'Course it's only 5 miles to Gretna, but the accents there are a weird mash up of flat northern and lilting scottish.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2019
    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    DougSeal said:

    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    I always assumed that the unique Scouse accent was due to it being virtually an Irish colony. It even returned an Irish Nationalist MP until (I think) 1919. Manchester has a strong Irish influence too of course but you can still hear the underlying Lancashire.

    I grew up in Reading before moving aged 10 to a village between Canterbury and Whitstable. Trying to iron out my Berkshire infused East Kent estuary into RP at Oxford has left me with a horrible bastard hybrid that means I get mistaken for Australian far more often than I’d like.
    When I first spoke to Mike Smithson he thought I was a Manc.

    I’ve never been more offended.

    I have a hybrid accent. When I spend a lot of time in Sheffield I turn into a proper Tyke and drop the c bomb every time I say the word can’t.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    Shame - will miss your forthright views, even though I agree with pretty much none of them. :wink:

    I suspect you could take a long break and still come back to "nothing has changed" - but don't stay away too long!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    Or say something bad about Radiohead....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    Or say something bad about Radiohead....
    Whilst eating a pizza with pineapple on it.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DougSeal said:

    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    I always assumed that the unique Scouse accent was due to it being virtually an Irish colony. It even returned an Irish Nationalist MP until (I think) 1919. Manchester has a strong Irish influence too of course but you can still hear the underlying Lancashire.

    I grew up in Reading before moving aged 10 to a village between Canterbury and Whitstable. Trying to iron out my Berkshire infused East Kent estuary into RP at Oxford has left me with a horrible bastard hybrid that means I get mistaken for Australian far more often than I’d like.
    When I first spoke to Mike Smithson he thought I was a Manc.

    I’ve never been more offended.

    I have a hybrid accent. When I spend a lot of time in Sheffield I turn into a proper Tyke and drop the c bomb every time I say the word can’t.
    Anyone west of the Wash and south of the waveney sounds like a right weirdo. The west country guys get it almost right, but they hint loik the bors round hairabouts
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,631
    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    ... or eat pizza with pinapple on top.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    Pineapple on pizza naughty?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    Au revoir :)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    Not army firing ranges though!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    I wish I'd had that idea about 5 years ago.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Theresa “slapdash” May

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1114164042006978560?s=21
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,153
    viewcode said:

    Benpointer said:

    JRM on R4 "The EU should be careful for what it wishes for."

    Don't they teach any grammar at Eton?

    "In this ever-changing world in which we live in": "Live and Let Die", lyrics by Paul McCartney.
    Both clearly suffer from extreme short term memory deficit.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    williamglenn said:

    Theresa “slapdash” May

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1114164042006978560?s=21

    Arlene could pull the plug on this shit show whenever she wants of course...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    Or say something bad about Radiohead....
    Who ?!?
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    You have something in common with Sarah Palin - as Piers recent interview with her was a little awkward. He isn’t really though as he says things many people agree with but are too afraid to say.

    Worth remembering though with Piers is that the more you get offended by him, the more ratings he gets and the more GMB pays him! He thrives professionally and monetarily on controversy.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    JackW said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    To be banned you have to be REALLY NAUGHTY
    Or say something bad about Radiohead....
    Who ?!?
    Good answer.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,894
    See you soon, Mr. Thompson.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,657
    Anorak said:

    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    20 miles from Carlisle to Lockerbie. Accents are poles apart. 'Course it's only 5 miles to Gretna, but the accents there are a weird mash up of flat northern and lilting scottish.
    Alnwick to Berwick also.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Or say something bad about Radiohead....

    Say something true about Radiohead...
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Scott_P said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Or say something bad about Radiohead....

    Say something true about Radiohead...
    Thom Yorkes lazy eye is uber 90s retro imagery
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    brendan16 said:

    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    You have something in common with Sarah Palin - as Piers recent interview with her was a little awkward. He isn’t really though as he says things many people agree with but are too afraid to say.

    Worth remembering though with Piers is that the more you get offended by him, the more ratings he gets and the more GMB pays him! He thrives professionally and monetarily on controversy.

    A professional contrarian. A bit like Jeremy Corbyn, but with brains.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,153
    brendan16 said:

    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    You have something in common with Sarah Palin - as Piers recent interview with her was a little awkward. He isn’t really though as he says things many people agree with but are too afraid to say.

    Worth remembering though with Piers is that the more you get offended by him, the more ratings he gets and the more GMB pays him! He thrives professionally and monetarily on controversy.

    I'm puzzled by his appeal, either positive or negative. From the little I've read about him, he's simply tedious.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    brendan16 said:

    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    You have something in common with Sarah Palin - as Piers recent interview with her was a little awkward. He isn’t really though as he says things many people agree with but are too afraid to say.

    Worth remembering though with Piers is that the more you get offended by him, the more ratings he gets and the more GMB pays him! He thrives professionally and monetarily on controversy.

    Hence the Piers Morgan game. Every time you think of Piers Morgan, you lose.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,657
    DougSeal said:

    Benpointer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    AndyJS said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.

    Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.

    It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
    Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
    Yes, that's always puzzled me too.

    It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
    I always assumed that the unique Scouse accent was due to it being virtually an Irish colony. It even returned an Irish Nationalist MP until (I think) 1919. Manchester has a strong Irish influence too of course but you can still hear the underlying Lancashire.

    I grew up in Reading before moving aged 10 to a village between Canterbury and Whitstable. Trying to iron out my Berkshire infused East Kent estuary into RP at Oxford has left me with a horrible bastard hybrid that means I get mistaken for Australian far more often than I’d like.
    The Scouse of Stevie Gerrard is a relatively recent phenomenon. Even in the sixties it was far more similar to other Lancashire accents. Listen to the young Beatles. Apart from John, they were very working class, but they don't have the d sound for th, nor the k sound pronounced as in "loch".
    My only explanation is that the decline of port traffic and heavy emigration and unemployment led to isolation. Which often breeds stronger accents.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Anorak said:

    anothernick said:

    rottenborough said:

    Benpointer said:

    Slackbladder said:

    rottenborough said:

    The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.

    That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.

    Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?

    that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...

    It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
    Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
    Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
    Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
    What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
    OK I give you Piers Morgan. A truly ghastly individual. Perhaps I should have said Boris is the most hated politician in Europe. Which I think is unquestionably true.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,153
    williamglenn said:

    Theresa “slapdash” May

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1114164042006978560?s=21

    Arlene 'motes and beams' Foster.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!

    Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.

    Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/1114157213252292609

    That's a bit of an odd spin on what Lisa Nandy said!
    Nandy can be safely disregarded whatever she said. Even more than most she hints st going one way or the other then does something else.
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