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Ah - a bit of a long way from Dorset. Still we have some pretty good food pubs around here too; unfortunately my unending battle to keep my BMI in (or at least very closes to!) the healthy range precludes frequent visits.OldKingCole said:
The Bell, Feering village, about 10 miles S of Colchester on the A12. No, I don't get commission. We're lucky round here; several good owner-run eateries.Benpointer said:
Not a lot of information in 'near us', just saying.OldKingCole said:
Point of information. There's a pub near us that does proper steak and kidney (and other) pies, with a top, sides and a bottom. And proper, quite thick, gravy. And vegetables.Benpointer said:
Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.kinabalu said:
Those Charlie Bigham pies are an absolute disgrace. The top is not properly attached to the main body of the pastry, it slides off and leaves you with something extremely ill defined to deal with.Theuniondivvie said:It's called a shepherd's hut apparently. The closest it's ever got to a shepherd is the half tray of last night's Charlie Bigham's shepherd's pie that Dave smuggled in to scoff while staring into space and not writing his autobiography.
Had not struck me before but in that very real sense, a Charlie Bigham pie is like Brexit. Expensive too. And arguably mis-sold with the 'pie' description. The similarities go on and on, come to think of it.
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Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:Sean_F said:
"Piss poor" is a bit unfair, but the Conservatives generally put up full slates even in hopeless areas. I expect that independents will do quite well.stodge said:
There are, I think, nearly 9,500 seats up for grabs on 2/5 so the fact the Conservatives are unopposed in just over 1% of them (have you bothered counting how many Labour Councillors are guaranteed to be returned?) is hardly news.Sean_F said:
I imagine that there will be about 180 in the end, with hundreds more not facing major party opposition. Granted, these are rural wards, but it's still a piss poor effort from Labour and Lib Dems.
How does this compare with 2015 would be a better guide - presumably then there were more UKIP candidates fighting Conservatives.
I doubt Labour and the LDs have ever been able to put up full slates for the English rural elections - describing it as "piss poor" seems rather mean-spirited and petty.
This might on the other hand be a good election to be an Independent (they won 500 seats last time). I'll be keeping an eye on Tandridge where the Independents might make more gains from the Conservatives while in Guildford a new independent group is contesting a number of the seats.
http://r4gv.org.uk/
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.0 -
Inside and outside...Benpointer said:
Fair point. Just one side if it's a round pie though?Charles said:
Apparently pies have a top, sides AND a bottom though.Benpointer said:
Not a lot of information in 'near us', just saying.OldKingCole said:
Point of information. There's a pub near us that does proper steak and kidney (and other) pies, with a top, sides and a bottom. And proper, quite thick, gravy. And vegetables.Benpointer said:
Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.kinabalu said:
Those Charlie Bigham pies are an absolute disgrace. The top is not properly attached to the main body of the pastry, it slides off and leaves you with something extremely ill defined to deal with.Theuniondivvie said:It's called a shepherd's hut apparently. The closest it's ever got to a shepherd is the half tray of last night's Charlie Bigham's shepherd's pie that Dave smuggled in to scoff while staring into space and not writing his autobiography.
Had not struck me before but in that very real sense, a Charlie Bigham pie is like Brexit. Expensive too. And arguably mis-sold with the 'pie' description. The similarities go on and on, come to think of it.
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The problem with a WTO exit is not only logistical but regulatory for medical supplies. Under WTO the UK Government can only accept all international drugs approved locally or no drugs. The problem is that India manufactures a wide range of drugs you would not want to take but the UK cannot stop being supplied to the UK if you want to take drugs from Europe. It is the same issue with chlorine chicken but on a larger scale.
Until the UK sets up its own regulatory system and then negotiates agreements with the rest of the world the country will become the only truly free market in the world where anyone can effectively sell anything. This may be Ok with bananas but is dangerous in the medical field.
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The Newsnight report was very clear that is is production capacity constraints that mean that the current stockpile of 6 weeks could not be increased. You can use a different brand but there are subtle differences which can cause problems. To be fair to the BBC they also highlighted that these supply problems existed already and used a case study from last year where a specific brand became unavailable and the patient faced side effects when on a new brand.felix said:
If I were you I would take comfort in the knowledge that the EU is not the sort of organisation which would allow bureaucratic niceties to put lives at risk should the worst happen.AlastairMeeks said:
Newsnight reported last night that various medicines, including anti-seizure medicines, were proving incapable of being stockpiled for a no-deal Brexit. If I have to start dealing with my partner having seizures because some geniuses have decided that it's for the greater good, forgive me if I don't learn to love it. Or them.dots said:No Deal brexit is certain. In touch of Dr Strangelove, learn to love it. And all the good it will do.
The question to me is why have the EMA let this happen?
Then the worry would be a fire or some circumstance that caused a factory to shut down for more than the 6 weeks of stock we hold. What would happen then? Would they be a dramatic shortage that meant that patients could not move to a different brand because there were just no supplies available at all.
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Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
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Lol.RobD said:0 -
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?0 -
Either that's an outlier or the public has had enough of the shitbaggery in the Commons.Pulpstar said:
Lol.RobD said:0 -
Haven't been to Dorset for a long while, not since my parents, who retired there, died. And yes, there were some very good eateries.Benpointer said:
Ah - a bit of a long way from Dorset. Still we have some pretty good food pubs around here too; unfortunately my unending battle to keep my BMI in (or at least very closes to!) the healthy range precludes frequent visits.OldKingCole said:
The Bell, Feering village, about 10 miles S of Colchester on the A12. No, I don't get commission. We're lucky round here; several good owner-run eateries.Benpointer said:
Not a lot of information in 'near us', just saying.OldKingCole said:
Point of information. There's a pub near us that does proper steak and kidney (and other) pies, with a top, sides and a bottom. And proper, quite thick, gravy. And vegetables.Benpointer said:
Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.kinabalu said:
Those Charlie Bigham pies are an absolute disgrace. The top is not properly attached to the main body of the pastry, it slides off and leaves you with something extremely ill defined to deal with.Theuniondivvie said:It's called a shepherd's hut apparently. The closest it's ever got to a shepherd is the half tray of last night's Charlie Bigham's shepherd's pie that Dave smuggled in to scoff while staring into space and not writing his autobiography.
Had not struck me before but in that very real sense, a Charlie Bigham pie is like Brexit. Expensive too. And arguably mis-sold with the 'pie' description. The similarities go on and on, come to think of it.
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I wish I could believe that. Absent her giving in on customs union and him not demanding a referendum I don’t see how that happens, and Corbyn doesn’t have the party backing for that I suspect.Benpointer said:
Could imply that May is expecting to reach agreement with Corbyn I guess?williamglenn said:
I fear it is just a sign may was not serious after all and is once again stringing things out.
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I’m calling bullshithamiltonace said:
The problem with a WTO exit is not only logistical but regulatory for medical supplies. Under WTO the UK Government can only accept all international drugs approved locally or no drugs. The problem is that India manufactures a wide range of drugs you would not want to take but the UK cannot stop being supplied to the UK if you want to take drugs from Europe. It is the same issue with chlorine chicken but on a larger scale.
Until the UK sets up its own regulatory system and then negotiates agreements with the rest of the world the country will become the only truly free market in the world where anyone can effectively sell anything. This may be Ok with bananas but is dangerous in the medical field.
Plants will need to be MHRA approved for a start. I would expect that MHRA will accept EMA plant inspections as satisfactory.0 -
Yes, but they are a shadow of their former selves I'm afraid. Much smaller and the filling is basically soup.FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
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‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
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The EMA moving/having to move to Amsterdam was very disruptive. Both to it, and I understand, to our own MHRA.ralphmalph said:
The Newsnight report was very clear that is is production capacity constraints that mean that the current stockpile of 6 weeks could not be increased. You can use a different brand but there are subtle differences which can cause problems. To be fair to the BBC they also highlighted that these supply problems existed already and used a case study from last year where a specific brand became unavailable and the patient faced side effects when on a new brand.felix said:
If I were you I would take comfort in the knowledge that the EU is not the sort of organisation which would allow bureaucratic niceties to put lives at risk should the worst happen.AlastairMeeks said:
Newsnight reported last night that various medicines, including anti-seizure medicines, were proving incapable of being stockpiled for a no-deal Brexit. If I have to start dealing with my partner having seizures because some geniuses have decided that it's for the greater good, forgive me if I don't learn to love it. Or them.dots said:No Deal brexit is certain. In touch of Dr Strangelove, learn to love it. And all the good it will do.
The question to me is why have the EMA let this happen?
Then the worry would be a fire or some circumstance that caused a factory to shut down for more than the 6 weeks of stock we hold. What would happen then? Would they be a dramatic shortage that meant that patients could not move to a different brand because there were just no supplies available at all.0 -
Birthplace of Arsenal’s Lucas Torreira I believeCharles said:
‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
I believe so0 -
It's not quite like for like.Pulpstar said:
Either that's an outlier or the public has had enough of the shitbaggery in the Commons.Pulpstar said:
Lol.RobD said:
The earlier polls were how would you vote in a referendum, if given a choice between Remain and No Deal?0 -
In a pie?isam said:
Birthplace of Arsenal’s Lucas Torreira I believeCharles said:
‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
I believe so0 -
His mum had one in the oven... in Fray Bentos!Charles said:
In a pie?isam said:
Birthplace of Arsenal’s Lucas Torreira I believeCharles said:
‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
I believe so
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Long extension nailed on I think. Unless the EU cuts up rough, but that's unlikely. They've got the UK pretty much where they want it. A supplicant, unable to find a way out of a mess of its own creation.kle4 said:
I wish I could believe that. Absent her giving in on customs union and him not demanding a referendum I don’t see how that happens, and Corbyn doesn’t have the party backing for that I suspect.Benpointer said:
Could imply that May is expecting to reach agreement with Corbyn I guess?williamglenn said:
I fear it is just a sign may was not serious after all and is once again stringing things out.0 -
My point remains that I'd expect that 2 civilised entities [UK & EU] would if needed relax the 'rules' to deal with these situations. If they could or would not I'd utterly condemn both of them.ralphmalph said:
The Newsnight report was very clear that is is production capacity constraints that mean that the current stockpile of 6 weeks could not be increased. You can use a different brand but there are subtle differences which can cause problems. To be fair to the BBC they also highlighted that these supply problems existed already and used a case study from last year where a specific brand became unavailable and the patient faced side effects when on a new brand.felix said:
If I were you I would take comfort in the knowledge that the EU is not the sort of organisation which would allow bureaucratic niceties to put lives at risk should the worst happen.AlastairMeeks said:
Newsnight reported last night that various medicines, including anti-seizure medicines, were proving incapable of being stockpiled for a no-deal Brexit. If I have to start dealing with my partner having seizures because some geniuses have decided that it's for the greater good, forgive me if I don't learn to love it. Or them.dots said:No Deal brexit is certain. In touch of Dr Strangelove, learn to love it. And all the good it will do.
The question to me is why have the EMA let this happen?
Then the worry would be a fire or some circumstance that caused a factory to shut down for more than the 6 weeks of stock we hold. What would happen then? Would they be a dramatic shortage that meant that patients could not move to a different brand because there were just no supplies available at all.0 -
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.
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No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.0 -
What do you make of the new SDP? They seem to be Blue Labour to mestodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.0 -
Maybe not sure breaking for no deal as the anti establishment position - anger with mps translating to hardening positionEndillion said:0 -
I do see the Lib Dems have a full slate in Chesterfield, where Labour candidates have frequently been returned unopposed in the past.stodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.0 -
Owenites. Blue labour as he always wasisam said:
What do you make of the new SDP? They seem to be Blue Labour to mestodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.0 -
Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?0
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My Dad was popped in the aga to keep him warm after he was bornisam said:
His mum had one in the oven... in Fray Bentos!Charles said:
In a pie?isam said:
Birthplace of Arsenal’s Lucas Torreira I believeCharles said:
‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
I believe so0 -
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".0 -
Now that must worry those wanting a referendum.Endillion said:0 -
https://twitter.com/consumers4b/status/1113785223135813635?s=21dyedwoolie said:
Owenites. Blue labour as he always wasisam said:
What do you make of the new SDP? They seem to be Blue Labour to mestodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.0 -
Yes that's my understanding too, so given the Lords has a major Remainer majority I believe it will probably go through unamended.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
But if its amended though, what then?0 -
Oh yes it is!Endillion said:0
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The relief that would sweep the nation if we left next week would be palpable.dyedwoolie said:
Maybe not sure breaking for no deal as the anti establishment position - anger with mps translating to hardening positionEndillion said:
Some scare stories would follow but would diminish as both sides ironed out wrinkles.
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Inclined to agree. I've posted before that as a former LD I feel ashamed of some of the things the Coalition did, notably in Health, Legal Aid and Education.stodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.
I can get over actions being forced of Governments, but what was done to legal Aid and in Welfare is, to me, unforgivable.0 -
The panic will be in Dublin and Brussels more than Birmingham or Boston.TGOHF said:
The relief that would sweep the nation if we left next week would be palpable.dyedwoolie said:
Maybe not sure breaking for no deal as the anti establishment position - anger with mps translating to hardening positionEndillion said:
Some scare stories would follow but would diminish as both sides ironed out wrinkles.0 -
Then it is in the hands of government again and csn be delayed beyond the critical datePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes that's my understanding too, so given the Lords has a major Remainer majority I believe it will probably go through unamended.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
But if its amended though, what then?0 -
But there isn't ever going to be a referendum offering no deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that must worry those wanting a referendum.Endillion said:0 -
So even one amendment will be viewed as a wrecking amendment - even if it is a good amendment.dyedwoolie said:
Then it is in the hands of government again and csn be delayed beyond the critical datePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes that's my understanding too, so given the Lords has a major Remainer majority I believe it will probably go through unamended.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
But if its amended though, what then?
Not a smart way to pass laws.0 -
Finally making a comeback after continuity SDP finished behind the loonies in Bootleisam said:
https://twitter.com/consumers4b/status/1113785223135813635?s=21dyedwoolie said:
Owenites. Blue labour as he always wasisam said:
What do you make of the new SDP? They seem to be Blue Labour to mestodge said:
I've never made any secret of the fact the Party I joined in 1981 which became the Alliance and later the Liberal Democrats perished in the fires of the Coalition and the 2015 GE. I believe three quarters of the Party's current membership joined since 2015.Richard_Nabavi said:
Mixed bag of nominations in Wealden:
http://www.wealden.gov.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=26461&sID=610
I'm a bit surprised to see that the LibDems are not fielding candidates in quite a lot of the wards - they used to be quite strong here.
At local level successive years of losses wiped out many branches and even constituency parties as activists left and weren't replaced.
Since 2015 the Party has made recoveries in areas of traditional strength (though not all) and I'd expect that to be reflected on 2/5. Branches have re-activated, activity has re-started and I think there will be advances in those islands of strength.
However, they are islands and are surrounded by oceans of inactivity - even in the mid 90s when the party had over 4,000 Councillors there were still too many barren areas where little or nothing happened. Unlike the Conservative and Labour parties who enjoy areas of traditional strength and support, the LDs need people to make things happen.
Too many areas have not recovered from the Coalition and therefore don't or can't field the candidates they might have done in the 90s and 00s.That will limit the scope of gains in May but will I think provide fertile ground for Independents who in the current climate could well have a very good evening.
I am seeing more and more well-organised well-financed independent groups emerging and this could be a new political model for the years to come.
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I understand from a pharmacist friend that lots of drugs used in the UK are supplied by sea from India alreadyCharles said:
I’m calling bullshithamiltonace said:
The problem with a WTO exit is not only logistical but regulatory for medical supplies. Under WTO the UK Government can only accept all international drugs approved locally or no drugs. The problem is that India manufactures a wide range of drugs you would not want to take but the UK cannot stop being supplied to the UK if you want to take drugs from Europe. It is the same issue with chlorine chicken but on a larger scale.
Until the UK sets up its own regulatory system and then negotiates agreements with the rest of the world the country will become the only truly free market in the world where anyone can effectively sell anything. This may be Ok with bananas but is dangerous in the medical field.
Plants will need to be MHRA approved for a start. I would expect that MHRA will accept EMA plant inspections as satisfactory.0 -
Nothing about it has been smartPhilip_Thompson said:
So even one amendment will be viewed as a wrecking amendment - even if it is a good amendment.dyedwoolie said:
Then it is in the hands of government again and csn be delayed beyond the critical datePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes that's my understanding too, so given the Lords has a major Remainer majority I believe it will probably go through unamended.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
But if its amended though, what then?
Not a smart way to pass laws.0 -
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Apologies, plaid are 3/1 3rd favs behind UKIP and Con.paulyork64 said:
You could well be right. They were almost level pegging at the GE. Think they're bigger than 8's too so I wouldn't put you off backing them. If they split the remainers might let skippers thru. Hopefully not.brokenwheel said:
Even in this part of Wales i’d see Plaid as a more natural remainer protest than the LDs, no?paulyork64 said:If I were having a bet on the Newport West by-election it would be LibDems to take 3rd place at 8/1. Needs them to garner remainer votes at a slightly higher rate than UKIP pull in leavers. I think they can do that. Remainers seem much more politically active right now. And UKIP have Neil Hamilton.
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https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/04/06/the-radicalisation-of-remainers
“The radicalisation of Remainers
Europhiles may shape British politics for years to come”0 -
I don't want a referendum, and it's worrying me.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that must worry those wanting a referendum.Endillion said:
What's worse: Revoke in a situation where the public overwhelmingly wants No Deal, or actual No Deal? Short run, certainly the latter. Long run: no clue.0 -
Not really since they have no intention of putting No Deal on the ballot paper.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Now that must worry those wanting a referendum.Endillion said:
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If only there were a way in which the people saying there's nothing to be worried about could take all the consequences on themselves, and leave the rest of us immune.Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
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The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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If only the public were negotiating with the EU......RobD said:0 -
I have little hope for a joint May/Corbyn position. I just cannot see it.kle4 said:I wish I could believe that. Absent her giving in on customs union and him not demanding a referendum I don’t see how that happens, and Corbyn doesn’t have the party backing for that I suspect.
I fear it is just a sign may was not serious after all and is once again stringing things out.
In fact, my personal mood (for want of a better word) on Brexit is changing. Up to the last couple of days I have seen all of this as a boon. A fascinating puzzle to be grappled with, a great betting opportunity, a compelling drama to be followed, but with the cosy underlying assumption that, ultimately, and no doubt at the very last gasp, we would ratify the Withdrawal Agreement, leave into transition, and then proceed to negotiate a pragmatic trade deal over the next few years.
Not so sure of that now. Things are starting to look quite bleak and it is not clear where a non-traumatic resolution of this crisis is going to come from. So all of a sudden I'm not enjoying it so much. I've gone a bit Yvette Cooper. I'm worried.0 -
Faisal reporting the Lords delaying may have worked and bill could go into Monday but still make it for royal assent by cob0
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So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".0 -
I have not enjoyed this from day 1kinabalu said:
I have little hope for a joint May/Corbyn position. I just cannot see it.kle4 said:I wish I could believe that. Absent her giving in on customs union and him not demanding a referendum I don’t see how that happens, and Corbyn doesn’t have the party backing for that I suspect.
I fear it is just a sign may was not serious after all and is once again stringing things out.
In fact, my personal mood (for want of a better word) on Brexit is changing. Up to the last couple of days I have seen all of this as a boon. A fascinating puzzle to be grappled with, a great betting opportunity, a compelling drama to be followed, but with the cosy underlying assumption that, ultimately, and no doubt at the very last gasp, we would ratify the Withdrawal Agreement, leave into transition, and then proceed to negotiate a pragmatic trade deal over the next few years.
Not so sure of that now. Things are starting to look quite bleak and it is not clear where a non-traumatic resolution of this crisis is going to come from. So all of a sudden I'm not enjoying it so much. I've gone a bit Yvette Cooper. I'm worried.0 -
Looks like an emotional response, it would change pretty quickly if it happened.MarqueeMark said:
If only the public were negotiating with the EU......RobD said:0 -
Can one "waste time" on filibustering?Richard_Nabavi said:
The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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It's now up to 115 Conservatives unopposed or guaranteed, 8 Lib Dems, 1 Labour (in of all places, Blaby).0 -
The Rt Hon member for Stone thought there were big holes in it too.Richard_Nabavi said:
The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Yes, if it's not successful!Endillion said:
Can one "waste time" on filibustering?Richard_Nabavi said:
The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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I think we can safely conclude that he is biased.Pulpstar said:
The Rt Hon member for Stone thought there were big holes in it too.Richard_Nabavi said:
The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Uruguayisam said:
His mum had one in the oven... in Fray Bentos!Charles said:
In a pie?isam said:
Birthplace of Arsenal’s Lucas Torreira I believeCharles said:
‘Things’ being the right term...FrancisUrquhart said:
Do those things still exist?Charles said:
Because Fray Bentos exist?kinabalu said:
Fair cop. I was thinking of the other ones. The reprehensible Bigham has a finger in quite a few and that problem I describe always manifests.Benpointer said:Point of order: There's no pastry on a shepherd's pie.
There is an obvious and brutal next question, a killer really, so I will pose it myself in order to limit the damage.
If I hate 'CB' pies so much how come I keep buying them?
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To some extent depends on the efficiency or otherwise of the party's staff (often well-meaning volunteers) on the ground.Sean_F said:
It's now up to 115 Conservatives unopposed or guaranteed, 8 Lib Dems, 1 Labour (in of all places, Blaby).0 -
Fair pointRichard_Nabavi said:
Yes, if it's not successful!Endillion said:
Can one "waste time" on filibustering?Richard_Nabavi said:
The irony is that there are some genuine holes in this bill which the Lords ought to fix. Instead they are wasting time on filibustering and procedural nonsense.IanB2 said:
Yes, given the balance of the Lords the only amendments likely to carry are drafting ones that the Commons will be able to nod through.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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It's only going to be used once, then be of no further relevance. The only problem arises if it doesn't work.Philip_Thompson said:
So even one amendment will be viewed as a wrecking amendment - even if it is a good amendment.dyedwoolie said:
Then it is in the hands of government again and csn be delayed beyond the critical datePhilip_Thompson said:
Yes that's my understanding too, so given the Lords has a major Remainer majority I believe it will probably go through unamended.dyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
But if its amended though, what then?
Not a smart way to pass laws.
Anyhow, it's already done the trick - government knows that despite the narrow majority, it has sympathy from a considerable number who were whipped against on its own side, including a fair few in cabinet. Everyone on the UK side today is talking as if no deal is as good as off the agenda. Thankfully.0 -
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I felt for the Lib Dems in 2002 in Harrow. The local returning officer barred them from standing in 54 out of 60 seats, several of which they were defending, because they were described as Liberal Democrat Focus Team.OldKingCole said:
To some extent depends on the efficiency or otherwise of the party's staff (often well-meaning volunteers) on the ground.Sean_F said:
It's now up to 115 Conservatives unopposed or guaranteed, 8 Lib Dems, 1 Labour (in of all places, Blaby).
They had left it till a couple of hours before close of nominations to file the papers.0 -
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Doesn’t it need royal assent? I know that’s a formality but how frequently does it happen? I thought bills were batched togetherdyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Well yeah, but 25 is still enough to kill the prospects of a referendum passing stone-dead.kle4 said:0 -
Without wishing to rake over the coals too much on this, we did a "deal with the Devil" (as we would have done had we sided with Labour) and our spoon wasn't long enough.OldKingCole said:Inclined to agree. I've posted before that as a former LD I feel ashamed of some of the things the Coalition did, notably in Health, Legal Aid and Education.
I can get over actions being forced of Governments, but what was done to legal Aid and in Welfare is, to me, unforgivable.
Put it another way, in order to get some of the things through which would never have got through otherwise, we were forced to acquiesce to Conservative legislation that we would under other circumstances have strongly opposed.
I've spent too long wondering what else we could and should have done in 2010 - there are plenty of answers with the gift of hindsight but, at the time, with huge pressure because of events in Europe, there seemed no other choice than to work with the Conservatives who were by some way the leading party.
Anecdotally, Hague thought he had killed us off on the Monday after the GE - he was right. I think we agreed to too much too quickly under pressure - the world wouldn't have ended if we had not had a Government for 10-14 days - I mean it's not as thought we have a functioning Government now and life seems to be going on perfectly normally.0 -
I hope you're right it is only a few days. I think the fact no deal may happen despite, officially, so many MPs being against it, does not bode well for thinking that even if things can be ironed out so quickly that they will be.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.0 -
Yes they are, but they can only be manufactured in plants that have been inspected and approved by the EMA.ExiledInScotland said:
I understand from a pharmacist friend that lots of drugs used in the UK are supplied by sea from India alreadyCharles said:
I’m calling bullshithamiltonace said:
The problem with a WTO exit is not only logistical but regulatory for medical supplies. Under WTO the UK Government can only accept all international drugs approved locally or no drugs. The problem is that India manufactures a wide range of drugs you would not want to take but the UK cannot stop being supplied to the UK if you want to take drugs from Europe. It is the same issue with chlorine chicken but on a larger scale.
Until the UK sets up its own regulatory system and then negotiates agreements with the rest of the world the country will become the only truly free market in the world where anyone can effectively sell anything. This may be Ok with bananas but is dangerous in the medical field.
Plants will need to be MHRA approved for a start. I would expect that MHRA will accept EMA plant inspections as satisfactory.
So it’s not the free for all that @hamiltonace suggested0 -
Even I retch at "the UK's remain community".Danny565 said:0 -
People's vote seems to be a real red line for people. I thought those were bad.Danny565 said:0 -
Oh her tweet is garbage, I was more just amused by the pictureAlastairMeeks said:
Even I retch at "the UK's remain community".Danny565 said:0 -
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".0 -
A further indication of the weaknesses of our educational system if it is accurate.logical_song said:
Looks like an emotional response, it would change pretty quickly if it happened.MarqueeMark said:
If only the public were negotiating with the EU......RobD said:0 -
It does but they say thatz in the bag if it comes back on MondayCharles said:
Doesn’t it need royal assent? I know that’s a formality but how frequently does it happen? I thought bills were batched togetherdyedwoolie said:
Aiui its passed the commons and if its unamended by the Lords it's done and on the bookPhilip_Thompson said:Question for our constitutional experts. I believe the Commons voted [by Bercow's casting vote] against allowing Cooper/Boles to take control of the agenda on Monday. If the Lords amends the Cooper bill that snuck through yesterday, do Cooper/Boles have control over the timetable to deal with any 'ping pong' with the Lords? Or can the government just let the bill die?
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Let's start with not taking new steps to put people in harm's way and then we can move onto questions of taking people out of harm's way.Charles said:
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
The exuberance with which your fellow Leavers are willing to play ducks and drakes with peoples' lives and health is depraved.0 -
But that was your USP! The New Politics, Parties Working Together etc etc. As I said repeatedly at the time, I've never understood why the LibDems spent the whole five years looking so glum, rather than celebrating the fact of coalition (with all its compromises) which was what they'd been advocating for decades. No wonder voters decided to stay away in droves next time round.stodge said:...
Put it another way, in order to get some of the things through which would never have got through otherwise, we were forced to acquiesce to Conservative legislation that we would under other circumstances have strongly opposed.
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It is a curious mish mash of poses they've gone for. Huq is conveying 'What the hell am i doing here?' perfectly, while May looks like she is trying to smile politely but not really pulling it off.Danny565 said:
Oh her tweet is garbage, I was more just amused by the pictureAlastairMeeks said:
Even I retch at "the UK's remain community".Danny565 said:0 -
You can definitely add Kate Hoey to that list, alsokle4 said:
Stringer, Mann, Jarvis and a whole sprinkling of Ex Lab independents (Not the Tiggers, the other splitters)0 -
Lib Dems should have given the Tories confidence & supply after 2010. Not taken cabinet posts. It would not have made much difference to the policies that the Tories pursued but it would have made it much easier for the Lib Dems to distance themselves when necessary. As the DUP have shown since 2017.stodge said:
Without wishing to rake over the coals too much on this, we did a "deal with the Devil" (as we would have done had we sided with Labour) and our spoon wasn't long enough.OldKingCole said:Inclined to agree. I've posted before that as a former LD I feel ashamed of some of the things the Coalition did, notably in Health, Legal Aid and Education.
I can get over actions being forced of Governments, but what was done to legal Aid and in Welfare is, to me, unforgivable.
Put it another way, in order to get some of the things through which would never have got through otherwise, we were forced to acquiesce to Conservative legislation that we would under other circumstances have strongly opposed.
I've spent too long wondering what else we could and should have done in 2010 - there are plenty of answers with the gift of hindsight but, at the time, with huge pressure because of events in Europe, there seemed no other choice than to work with the Conservatives who were by some way the leading party.
Anecdotally, Hague thought he had killed us off on the Monday after the GE - he was right. I think we agreed to too much too quickly under pressure - the world wouldn't have ended if we had not had a Government for 10-14 days - I mean it's not as thought we have a functioning Government now and life seems to be going on perfectly normally.
I'm afraid that this was largely down to the personal vanity of Clegg and Cable - they convinced themselves that they would be seen as saviours by a grateful nation, Clegg in particular was hopelessly naive in his approach and it is hard to have much sympathy - he brought his fate on himself.0 -
Perhaps because you are a Conservative. They say that the bitterest wars are civil wars.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have not enjoyed this from day 1
From the Labour side, not so traumatic. But now, as I say, I'm feeling it a little.
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The extent to which you Remainers are willing to play on the unfounded fears of the weak and vulnerable is sick.AlastairMeeks said:
Let's start with not taking new steps to put people in harm's way and then we can move onto questions of taking people out of harm's way.Charles said:
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
The exuberance with which your fellow Leavers are willing to play ducks and drakes with peoples' lives and health is depraved.0 -
It’s with sadness not exuberance. In a sensible world a deal would have been agreed. Too many politicians decided to grandstand in the U.K., the EU and on both sides of the argumentAlastairMeeks said:
Let's start with not taking new steps to put people in harm's way and then we can move onto questions of taking people out of harm's way.Charles said:
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
The exuberance with which your fellow Leavers are willing to play ducks and drakes with peoples' lives and health is depraved.0 -
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One can only imagine the furore if Remainers in the HOL were trying to wreck a Bill .
Disgraceful timewasting by a cabal of Tories in the HOL.0 -
But you are happy with the annual number of deaths from road pollution caused by Irish trucks hammering across England belching out their fumes ?AlastairMeeks said:
Let's start with not taking new steps to put people in harm's way and then we can move onto questions of taking people out of harm's way.Charles said:
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
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I suggest you read the comments of your fellow Leavers on this thread. There's plenty of exuberance around for the death cult.Charles said:
It’s with sadness not exuberance. In a sensible world a deal would have been agreed. Too many politicians decided to grandstand in the U.K., the EU and on both sides of the argumentAlastairMeeks said:
Let's start with not taking new steps to put people in harm's way and then we can move onto questions of taking people out of harm's way.Charles said:
How much taxpayers money should be spent converting manual railway crossings to automatic ones?AlastairMeeks said:
So how many deaths do you think are acceptable in pursuit of your mad obsession?Philip_Thompson said:
Like ripping off a bandage.TGOHF said:No deal critics have no faith that any wrinkles couldn't be ironed out in a few days, weeks.
As the yougov poll shows - the public are ready to lance the boil - a few days of pain is worth it to get this crap done.
The no deal opponents are spouting the same old 'boy who cried wolf' crap we've heard for years now about the dangers if we were to leave the EU/have a referendum/rule out the Euro/not be founder members of the Euro/leave the ERM etc . . . every time its "ah but this time there really is a wolf".
The exuberance with which your fellow Leavers are willing to play ducks and drakes with peoples' lives and health is depraved.0
