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  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    First
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    edited March 2019
    Second like Trump
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    But he'll lap it up once he knows.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited March 2019
    It is clearly possible to have the required energy and drive at that age, but whether he will actually have that is less clear. But on the copycat label, is it possible using it would rebound as this time at least it will be almost baked in, well known, and akin to all those accusations against Corbyn - some direct quotations of his words and views - which neverthleless people did not care about. If he still has a big enough profile and support to run now, would such a charge really sink him?
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    Trump doesn't even overlook transgressions in others that have never been alleged.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:
  • Penddu
    Penddu Posts: 265
    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    I wish I had never heard of Neil Kinnock....or Glenys....
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I still think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump in 2020.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Penddu said:

    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    I wish I had never heard of Neil Kinnock....or Glenys....
    Ah, so you're a Stephen man/woman?
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Benpointer said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    Trump doesn't even overlook transgressions in others that have never been alleged.
    I mean even if Trump tries to make it an issue its unlikely to resonate, like the Tories banging on about Corbyn's support for the IRA. The 80s were a long time ago now.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,347
    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Bercow will probably nix it - with good reason, for once.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,347
    On topic, I don’t think it matters too much.

    It’s ancient history and Biden, if chosen, like any of the other candidates will get crap thrown by Trump. The interesting question is rather how they deal with the orange narcissist.
  • solarflare
    solarflare Posts: 4,052
    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    Benpointer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
    Hey, Ben! Don't worry - I don't have a graph of that "win" :lol:
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Benpointer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
    Hey, Ben! Don't worry - I don't have a graph of that "win" :lol:
    Phew!

    And thanks :smile:
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Born only to die, how sad.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.

    Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    edited March 2019
    AndyJS said:

    I still think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump in 2020.

    Agreed. Sanders v Trump could go either way, Trump I suspect would beat Harris or Warren or Booker, O'Rourke I cannot see being the nominee, VP candidate maybe
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Anyone got a link to somewhere that sets out the processes for the indicative votes and/or submission of options?
  • solarflare
    solarflare Posts: 4,052
    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    Ah, I see, thanks.
  • Drutt
    Drutt Posts: 1,125
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    O'Rourke has also been hit by news he was part of a hacking group

    https://www.wired.com/story/beto-orourke-cult-of-the-dead-cow-hacking-group/
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
  • brendan16
    brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2019
    Drutt said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    I think there could be other issues that catch Biden out - he is likely to be a very hands on President!
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    Benpointer said:

    Anyone got a link to somewhere that sets out the processes for the indicative votes and/or submission of options?

    Ah, The Guardian seems to have heard my request:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/26/how-will-the-brexit-indicative-votes-process-work
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
  • ralphmalph
    ralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited March 2019
    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    Malthouse plan A was renegotiate the backstop to make it acceptable so May would get a new WA with a new backstop agreed through the house and leave on 29th Mars.

    Plan B is that if the backstop renegotiation failed then the EU would grant the UK 12 months extension to agreed the new future deal or leave on WTO terms.

    There is also a plan C.

  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Biden backers should be more worried that he announced then unannounced his candidacy the other day. Gaffe-prone doesn't cover it.

    On speeches, one of the other candidates seemed to be channelling his inner Gordon Brown the other day. It might have been coincidence. Trouble is, I've forgotten which one.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Drutt said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    HYUFD said:

    O'Rourke has also been hit by news he was part of a hacking group

    https://www.wired.com/story/beto-orourke-cult-of-the-dead-cow-hacking-group/

    #HackedOff :D
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Biden backers should be more worried that he announced then unannounced his candidacy the other day.

    Did he write himself two letters?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019
    I was curious to know the breakdown of petition signatures according to whether a constituency was estimated to have voted Remain or Leave. These are the results with the latest data:

    Remain constituencies (241): 3,076,655 [53.4%]
    Leave constituencies (409): 2,689,834 [46.6%]

    241 of 650 = 37.1%
    409 of 650 = 62.9%
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    GIN1138 said:

    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    Putting something like that up again given where we are now is pretty close to a wrecking amendment.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation
    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
  • HYUFD
    HYUFD Posts: 128,924
    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    It's not about the level of support - it's that it has effectively been tried and already failed. Putting something up that isn't achievable is not taking the process or the crisis we face seriously. Yes, Bercow should think about ruling it out of order, but he shouldn't have been put in the position of being the one to do so. We ought to expect better from our MPs; this lot just want to duck the real decisions that now need to be made.
  • AlastairMeeks
    AlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I think there’s still a fair chance he won’t run.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!
  • Barnesian
    Barnesian Posts: 9,221
    edited March 2019
    I hope the Watson* plan gets the most votes, i.e. Mrs May's deal plus a confirmatory referendum.

    *Kyle-Wilson

    EDIT: I assume the "2nd Referendum" option is the above.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    bigjohnowls said:

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    The Meaningless Vote
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    Worrying precedent.
  • OnlyLivingBoy
    OnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,660
    GIN1138 said:

    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    How can I live in a world where apparently sane people believe the Malthouse Compromise is an actual real thing?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019
    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    I can see Trump being a lot more imaginative than this if Biden were to make it that far. He has a real skill in tagging nicknames onto people.

    But I think Mike is right. Both Biden and Sanders are just too old for such a stressful campaign, let alone job.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Benpointer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Sky has a list with explanation of each choice
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    edited March 2019
    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Benpointer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Institute for Government on Twitter whoever they are
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Very warm during the day though, so long as the sun is shining - I was in shorts and Tshirt entil the evening chill.
  • solarflare
    solarflare Posts: 4,052
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    I definitely want to read Robert Ludlum's The Political Declaration.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    edited March 2019
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    bigjohnowls said:

    Benpointer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Institute for Government on Twitter whoever they are
    "Institute for Government on Twitter"? Some sort of body that advocates rule by twitter, that's a terrible idea!
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    HYUFD said:

    Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.

    Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980

    So Reagan was the same age as Biden is now when he had served 2 terms and was generally recognised to be more than a bit dottled. I am not sure how this helps your argument.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019
    O/T

    This sort of thing doesn't surprise me. There are lots of places now which are officially open to the public but where in reality only wealthy or wealthy-looking people are made to feel welcome.

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/26/outrageous-and-disgusting-segregated-playground-sparks-fury

    "'Outrageous' and 'disgusting': segregated playground sparks fury
    Jeremy Corbyn, James Brokenshire and Sadiq Khan criticise Henley Homes for excluding social housing residents from playground"
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,076
    solarflare said:

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    I definitely want to read Robert Ludlum's The Political Declaration.
    The sequel to the Meaningless Vote:

    The People's Vote
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    IanB2 said:

    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)

    Guardian now reporting 16 motions tabled including 7 from ERG and


    #CorbynsCustomsUnion
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Bercow will probably nix it - with good reason, for once.
    The one thing you can tell from that is that Nicky Morgan is serious about wanting to be next Tory leader.
  • williamglenn
    williamglenn Posts: 56,289
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Benpointer said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Sky has a list with explanation of each choice
    Ah good yes thanks
  • Drutt
    Drutt Posts: 1,125
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Drutt said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
    True, but it's not the age or the nature of the allegation that counts any more in an increasingly tribal politic. Wholly regrettably, it's the identity of the accused and accuser.
  • Barnesian
    Barnesian Posts: 9,221
    IanB2 said:

    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.

    I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,259
    GIN1138 said:

    williamglenn said:

    A unicorn is reborn.

    https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    Don't be ridiculous.

    One was a third rate Fascist whose tenure of high office was an unmitigated fiasco, and the damaging ramifications of poor policies and naked cronyism are poisoning the well to this hour.

    And if anything, Boris is even worse.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    bigjohnowls said:

    IanB2 said:

    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)

    Guardian now reporting 16 motions tabled including 7 from ERG and


    #CorbynsCustomsUnion
    The ERG tabling so many purely so they can call out Bercow when he rejects most of them. We all know what they want.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
    Btw, Meaningful Vote is a trilogy. And The Referendum is first in an enless series - bit like the Fast And Furious film franchise, but without the excitement and much more repetitive.
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,259
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
    Btw, Meaningful Vote is a Tragedy.
    FTFY...
  • FF43
    FF43 Posts: 18,213
    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
    While May's Deal is is repetitious and fails to live up to its billing.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
    It is I think.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal
  • Augustine
    Augustine Posts: 19
    williamglenn said:

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
    Calling SeanT ...
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiqyd7i1aDhAhUMfxoKHTR5Al4QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https://giphy.com/gifs/tragedy-HzuQSuD0uaX7i&psig=AOvVaw1kdN5NRWe-vZK0IOxlejqr&ust=1553719351400785
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.

    I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
    It'll be interesting to see how many MPs agree with revoke, given most probably still want the cover of a referendum.
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    I think Bercow will pick

    • Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit
  • OblitusSumMe
    OblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    kle4 said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    AndyJS said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    Matthew Engel said:

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
    It is I think.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal
    By a "big thing" I meant played by Premiership footballers and screened on Sky.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
  • rpjs
    rpjs Posts: 3,787
    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
    They'd also work as titles in Charles Stross' "Laundry" series of occult/espionage novels.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1110637928714305536
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
    Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Philip_Thompson said:

    MaxPB said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
    Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
    Yes, but he EU have already ruled this one out. Bercow shouldn't select it.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,310
    Philip_Thompson said:

    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.

    Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Boris live on Sky just now engineering his move to back TM deal

    It is comical watching ERG going into full throttle reverse and funnier still if it is too late
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    bigjohnowls said:

    https://twitter.com/hilarybennmp/status/1110637928714305536

    Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnion
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    IanB2 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.

    Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.
    A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    bigjohnowls said:

    I think Bercow will pick

    • Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the table

    Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
  • Barnesian
    Barnesian Posts: 9,221
    https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1110611612124278790
  • Benpointer
    Benpointer Posts: 35,627
    I have entered a time warp; this current process is obviously the sort of thing parliament will do before invoking A50.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,250
    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    solarflare said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
    Off-topic:

    Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
    Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
    Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
    Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
    Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
    Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
    Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
    Harry Potter and the Deathly ...

    Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ... ;)
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