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The front man of Vote Leave supports the deal.kjohnw said:Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
TM the destroyer of the Tory Party . Corbyns secret asset
The Chief Executive of Vote Leave supports the deal.
You need to direct your ire towards the Brexiteers of the ERG and DUP who are doing their best to stop Brexit.
After all Gove has said No Deal doesn't respect the referendum result.0 -
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them?TheScreamingEagles said:
She really doesn't.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
She wasn't forced to.0 -
She carries on because no one else wants the poisoned chalice . They want her to take all the flak and then ride in saying if only she had listened to them.kjohnw said:Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
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Crikey. That's the kind of language that will see Con MPs VONC their own government.Scott_P said:0 -
Yet the right thing for both the country and her party. As I have been arguing for ages.Scott_P said:0 -
It was also an instant "instinctive" answer - not one borne of calculation - it didn't require any thought.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.0 -
It's good to see Leavers keeping their sense of perspective.Scott_P said:0 -
Late to the show: I think that Gove has been doing an excellent job at Environment. I hope he stays in post for the rest of parliament.0
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Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:0 -
'Loon' doesn't really seem to cover it, does it?AlastairMeeks said:
It's good to see Leavers keeping their sense of perspective.Scott_P said:0 -
They then terminate confidence and supply while she is PMTheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.CarlottaVance said:
Stop Stormont salaries until they sit again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
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She is carrying on in the same way that she has always carried on - announce her decision and then browbeat everyone else into acquiescing. Except that in this case MPs are not willing to acquiesce. May probably thought she could bully her way through but she has neither the personal authority nor the support of her colleagues that would be required to do that.AlastairMeeks said:
There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.Peter_the_Punter said:
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.Scott_P said:
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.0 -
It's the only good job he's ever done, but it is a good job.SandyRentool said:Late to the show: I think that Gove has been doing an excellent job at Environment. I hope he stays in post for the rest of parliament.
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She needed a bigger majority because of the ERG loons.dixiedean said:
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them?TheScreamingEagles said:
She really doesn't.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
She wasn't forced to.0 -
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Yup.CarlottaVance said:
It was also an instant "instinctive" answer - not one borne of calculation - it didn't require any thought.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
I think her precise comment was 'Of course not'0 -
MPs complaining that Britain is not Brexiting on 29th March because MPs voted not to Brexit on 29th March.....0
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Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.Charles said:
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?MikeL said:May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
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Rest of the Parliament? What all six days of it?SandyRentool said:Late to the show: I think that Gove has been doing an excellent job at Environment. I hope he stays in post for the rest of parliament.
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One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:0 -
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She's so tone-deaf. This is painful.
She starts by reading out a prepared non-apology that she's been told to give for Wednesday's speech, and then spends the next hour and a half reiterating the same old refusals we've heard a thousand times already.
She appears to have absolutely no comprehension that the "same old" has been shown repeatedly not to work, so maybe it's time to start considering something different...0 -
Yes, that's the odd thing, and something I've noted amongst ordinary party members that I know. Brexit seems to have addled brains (and not only on the Leave side, as Lord Adonis demonstrates).Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:0 -
Painful, pitiful, embarassing, dangerous.0
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Oh no!Scott_P said:
I am as happy to be blocked on twitter by that "comedian" for pointing out he tells the same joke on the same subject every day as I am to be reinstated on here! Please don't retweet* his boring unfunnyness
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Could you when notice of election papers have already been sent out (I got mine on Friday)..Charles said:
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?MikeL said:May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
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The obvious answer from Theresa will be to present yet another Meaningful Vote.Scott_P said:
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Yeah he isn't really one of the "usual suspects" so if he's representative of the level of anger in the Tory Party now I'd say it's not just curtains for Theresa but the whole government may be days or even hours from falling...Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:0 -
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.0 -
Instead of leadership she resorts to passive-aggressive bullying and it's not working.El_Capitano said:She's so tone-deaf. This is painful.
She starts by reading out a prepared non-apology that she's been told to give for Wednesday's speech, and then spends the next hour and a half reiterating the same old refusals we've heard a thousand times already.
She appears to have absolutely no comprehension that the "same old" has been shown repeatedly not to work, so maybe it's time to start considering something different...0 -
The proposed deal achieves 1, 2, and 4, IMHO. 3 out 4 should not be considered bad.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
There would be a lot of fun watching the Republic trying to wheedle out of such a poll...OldKingCole said:
Quite.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Although doesn't an Irish Unity poll have to be heldin the RoI at he same time?0 -
I find myself in the odd position of suddenly being outflanked by people who I would have considered far more pro-EU than I am.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.0 -
They’re becoming more unhinged by the day .AlastairMeeks said:
It's good to see Leavers keeping their sense of perspective.Scott_P said:0 -
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/Ishmael_Z said:
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.Charles said:
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?MikeL said:May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
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Good to see EdM is on the ball.
May dodges the Q but doesn't deny what she said before.0 -
Whenever there's trouble you always know that all roads will lead to Mr Poll Tax.Scott_P said:
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Overall, yes, but not on May pushing the button.Peter_the_Punter said:
Casino and I have been here before, Sean, and I made it two to one on Revoke if it's a head-to-head with No Deal . I stand by that still, but of course I'm implying only a 66% probability - no racing certainty.Casino_Royale said:
She will never revoke.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
She’d resign first.
I'd make it shorter but I'm begining to wonder whether May might be becoming a little unhinged. That Wednesday nite broadcast was really....well, odd.0 -
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
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The events of the past few weeks have led me to conclude that there will be no riots on the street if Brexit is betrayed. It seems like a handful of frustrated old men.TheScreamingEagles said:
The front man of Vote Leave supports the deal.kjohnw said:Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
TM the destroyer of the Tory Party . Corbyns secret asset
The Chief Executive of Vote Leave supports the deal.
You need to direct your ire towards the Brexiteers of the ERG and DUP who are doing their best to stop Brexit.
After all Gove has said No Deal doesn't respect the referendum result.
The long term problem is the disillusionment with democracy if the decision is revoked. I would personally prefer a customs union style arrangment over the deal, but either honour the result.0 -
No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.0
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Why on earth are MP's getting a say anyway? There should have been no way they could possibly have overturned the vote. It makes the decision to hold a referendum pointless.0
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The string "may ;'may,"May May May" may" may" may indeed be (countably) infinitely extensible. I would suggest an armistice.TheAncientMariner said:
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/Ishmael_Z said:
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.Charles said:
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?MikeL said:May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
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Ireland would love it and the Americans would cover any transition costs.eek said:
There would be a lot of fun watching the Republic trying to wheedle out of such a poll...OldKingCole said:
Quite.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Although doesn't an Irish Unity poll have to be heldin the RoI at he same time?0 -
Like you said last week, Ken Clarke is doing more to ensure the UK leaves the EU than say John Redwood and Jacob Rees-Mogg.Sean_F said:
I find myself in the odd position of suddenly being outflanked by people who I would have considered far more pro-EU than I am.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.0 -
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....dixiedean said:
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
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That's fair enough, because a Referendum is another attempt to pass the buck, and avoid having to take a hard decision.dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
MP's who have been pressing for a referendum need to vote for what they really want, Revocation.0 -
"loons"SquareRoot said:
She needed a bigger majority because of the ERG loons.dixiedean said:
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them?TheScreamingEagles said:
She really doesn't.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
She wasn't forced to.
"unhinged"
So it continues...0 -
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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I smiled and cried at your logic - so trueSouthamObserver said:
Someone is surely going to have to take one for the team: someone who has no long-term leadership ambitions, someone who is capable of putting the country first. From here that must mean one of two things:Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would not disagree but as with everything brexit who replaces her, how and what does it changeSouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
1. Reaching across to Labour MPs and getting a deal done to ensure Brexit by 22nd May.
2. A long extension so that there can be a general election that will hopefully break the deadlock.
If we are to avoid a No Deal Brexit - which over 400 MPs have said they want to do - these are now the two realistic choices. It goes without saying, of course, that this will not happen.0 -
I never thought I'd see the day when PB became a repository of dank may-mays.Ishmael_Z said:
The string "may ;'may,"May May May" may" may" may indeed be (countably) infinitely extensible. I would suggest an armistice.TheAncientMariner said:
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/Ishmael_Z said:
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.Charles said:
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?MikeL said:May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
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Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...0 -
What is the chances now of the erg and dup trying to no confidence the government and force a General Election0
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Not before 12th April. Even the HOC is not that barkingGIN1138 said:
Yeah he isn't really one of the "usual suspects" so if he's representative of the level of anger in the Tory Party now I'd say it's not just curtains for Theresa but the whole government may be days or even hours from falling...Sean_F said:
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?Scott_P said:0 -
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect.CarlottaVance said:
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....dixiedean said:
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her.
Hence the impasse.0 -
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.SeanT said:
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.Scott_P said:
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
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I was channelling Crispin Blunt.CarlottaVance said:
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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I assume that is meant to provoke?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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She wanted to ask for a long extension last week. Clearly she would do so next week.algarkirk said:
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.SeanT said:
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.Scott_P said:
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.0 -
Plus the new Mary Poppins is crap.0
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You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...0 -
I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.0
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PS, I do not want a referendum. However, Parliament has to make a decision. Ruling out options Parliament may support is neither practical nor sensible.dixiedean said:
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect.CarlottaVance said:
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....dixiedean said:
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her.
Hence the impasse.0 -
Do you want to trash the UK economy and make Putin and Farage happy by leaving the EU?Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Yes or No.0 -
Nurse!!!!TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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I have stopped watching and am now watching kids tv with two of my grandchildren, 7 and 5kjh said:I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.
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If the indicative vote process (is agreed and) does produce a clear consensus option, the government will have no choice but to run with it (or resign). Hence why they are so afraid of it. Nevertheless there is no guarantee such a consensus will emerge, although CM2 looks favourite to me.dixiedean said:
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect.CarlottaVance said:
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....dixiedean said:
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her.
Hence the impasse.0 -
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I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it... 0 -
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.GIN1138 said:
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...0 -
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I might need to borrow them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have stopped watching and am now watching kids tv with two of my grandchildren, 7 and 5kjh said:I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.
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On poppers?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was channelling Crispin Blunt.CarlottaVance said:
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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Since that is Labour party policy I am not clear why that is a problem for them. But that's me trying to be rational again. Waste of time.notme2 said:
failure to agree a trade deal which seems incredibly likely will result in a permanent CU as part of the backstop.DavidL said:
Just maybe if they were promised an early election and it was recognised that it will be for the next government, not this one, to determine what our relationship with the EU will be? There is nothing in the WA, or for that matter in the PD, which would prevent a Labour government seeking a permanent CU, for example.AlastairMeeks said:Backing the withdrawal agreement but not the political declaration would be buying a pig in a poke. Why on earth should the opposition trust the government to take this forward sight unseen? Why, for that matter, would any MP?
I'm clutching at straws here, I recognise that.0 -
May is simply playing for time, waiting to see what (if anything) MPs tell her to do this evening.0
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I'm a good boy, I've never done drugs.CarlottaVance said:
On poppers?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was channelling Crispin Blunt.CarlottaVance said:
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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Nah - it was all over the place and trying too hard.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
IanB2 said:
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.GIN1138 said:
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
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Coffee and alcohol are drugs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a good boy, I've never done drugs.CarlottaVance said:
On poppers?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was channelling Crispin Blunt.CarlottaVance said:
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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I don't do those either.TGOHF said:
Coffee and alcohol are drugs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm a good boy, I've never done drugs.CarlottaVance said:
On poppers?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was channelling Crispin Blunt.CarlottaVance said:
More than 32,000 dead and 87,000 seriously injured?TheScreamingEagles said:No Deal Brexit will do more damage to the UK than the Luftwaffe managed between 1939 and 1945.
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I don't think that's sellable. Revoke is just a Deferral? Nah. It would be seen as Revoke and Remain, which is fair, as that would almost certainly be the result.algarkirk said:
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.SeanT said:
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.Scott_P said:
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
That's why, if TMay did do it, I think she'd have to resign immediately after.
Put it another way, in the next week or two TMay is going to have to do something she has consistently vowed not to do: allow No Deal, allow a referendum and extend, call a GE and extend, accept some new soft Deal that crosses all her red lines, or Revoke.
Any one of these will destroy her career, some will destroy her career, or her party, or her country, or all three.0 -
I keep having a double take when the Guardian refers to Stormy Daniels as a porn actor, thinking I must have missed a key episode of the story. Then I realise they mean actress.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hope no one backed him win the Dem nomination/Presidency in 2020.Richard_Nabavi said:"Michael Avenatti, the former lawyer for Stormy Daniels, has been indicted on extortion charges."
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More generally, refuse to pursue anything on Brexit which conflicts with the manifesto the Cons were elected on in 2017, e.g. staying in the CU and/or SM. Same goes for any other feasible Tory PM who might replace her.WhisperingOracle said:"May suggests she would refuse to accept a plan for a referendum if MPs propose it in indicative votes."
A General Election is surely coming - but will it be before or after we leave?0 -
And when do we table the Referendum after that - for best of three? (Assuming your Remain lot don't get stuffed again by the voters. Which is not set in stone....they are in an ornery mood.)IanB2 said:
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.GIN1138 said:
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...0 -
Yes, I see what you mea.Casino_Royale said:
Overall, yes, but not on May pushing the button.Peter_the_Punter said:
Casino and I have been here before, Sean, and I made it two to one on Revoke if it's a head-to-head with No Deal . I stand by that still, but of course I'm implying only a 66% probability - no racing certainty.Casino_Royale said:
She will never revoke.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
She’d resign first.
I'd make it shorter but I'm begining to wonder whether May might be becoming a little unhinged. That Wednesday nite broadcast was really....well, odd.0 -
Yep I agree with that. But given that she did make such a mess of things early on and that she has clearly lost the confidence of pretty much everyone in the country, she really should take that final step and accept she will stand down if that is what it takes to get her deal through. The idea of her tin ear being in charge of the trade negotiations for the next two years is horrendous.TOPPING said:
She has been trying to get her deal through parliament I mean it is such an innocuous simple thing - money, citizens, backstop - but for reasons of perfectly understandable ideology and political expediency too many MPs are rejecting it.AlastairMeeks said:
There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.Peter_the_Punter said:
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:
Which is a shame because as it stands it is the only sensible and coherent way forward. As, to be fair to her, she keeps on saying.
She might have sown the seeds for this mess two years ago but now that we are where we are she appears to be the lone voice of reason.0 -
i.e. she accepts it won't happen but isn't her fault.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1110223398288928768SeanT said:Put it another way, in the next week or two TMay is going to have to do something she has consistently vowed not to do: allow No Deal, allow a referendum and extend, call a GE and extend, accept some new soft Deal that crosses all her red lines, or Revoke.
Any one of these will destroy her career, some will destroy her career, or her party, or her country, or all three.0 -
I'm now wondering what story you were watching and where the pizza delivery boy fitted in.Richard_Nabavi said:
I keep having a double take when the Guardian refers to Stormy Daniels as a porn actor, thinking I must have missed a key episode of the story. Then I realise they mean actress.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hope no one backed him win the Dem nomination/Presidency in 2020.Richard_Nabavi said:"Michael Avenatti, the former lawyer for Stormy Daniels, has been indicted on extortion charges."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/michael-avenatti-to-be-charged-with-wire-and-bank-fraud.html0 -
No, once there are specific proposals that can actually be implemented on both sides of the question, it'll be final.MarqueeMark said:
And when do we table the Referendum after that - for best of three? (Assuming your Remain lot don't get stuffed again by the voters. Which is not set in stone....they are in an ornery mood.)IanB2 said:
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.GIN1138 said:
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.Sean_F said:
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.eek said:
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)dixiedean said:So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
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