Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
TM the destroyer of the Tory Party . Corbyns secret asset
The front man of Vote Leave supports the deal.
The Chief Executive of Vote Leave supports the deal.
You need to direct your ire towards the Brexiteers of the ERG and DUP who are doing their best to stop Brexit.
After all Gove has said No Deal doesn't respect the referendum result.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.
She really doesn't.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them? She wasn't forced to.
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
TM the destroyer of the Tory Party . Corbyns secret asset
She carries on because no one else wants the poisoned chalice . They want her to take all the flak and then ride in saying if only she had listened to them.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
It was also an instant "instinctive" answer - not one borne of calculation - it didn't require any thought.
Don't think there ever any doubt who's side Theresa May was really on anyway...
As far as I can tell she's on her own side.
A normal person would have cracked up by now.
There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.
She is carrying on in the same way that she has always carried on - announce her decision and then browbeat everyone else into acquiescing. Except that in this case MPs are not willing to acquiesce. May probably thought she could bully her way through but she has neither the personal authority nor the support of her colleagues that would be required to do that.
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.
She really doesn't.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them? She wasn't forced to.
She needed a bigger majority because of the ERG loons.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
It was also an instant "instinctive" answer - not one borne of calculation - it didn't require any thought.
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
She starts by reading out a prepared non-apology that she's been told to give for Wednesday's speech, and then spends the next hour and a half reiterating the same old refusals we've heard a thousand times already.
She appears to have absolutely no comprehension that the "same old" has been shown repeatedly not to work, so maybe it's time to start considering something different...
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though.
Yes, that's the odd thing, and something I've noted amongst ordinary party members that I know. Brexit seems to have addled brains (and not only on the Leave side, as Lord Adonis demonstrates).
I am as happy to be blocked on twitter by that "comedian" for pointing out he tells the same joke on the same subject every day as I am to be reinstated on here! Please don't retweet* his boring unfunnyness
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Could you when notice of election papers have already been sent out (I got mine on Friday)..
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
Yeah he isn't really one of the "usual suspects" so if he's representative of the level of anger in the Tory Party now I'd say it's not just curtains for Theresa but the whole government may be days or even hours from falling...
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.
She starts by reading out a prepared non-apology that she's been told to give for Wednesday's speech, and then spends the next hour and a half reiterating the same old refusals we've heard a thousand times already.
She appears to have absolutely no comprehension that the "same old" has been shown repeatedly not to work, so maybe it's time to start considering something different...
Instead of leadership she resorts to passive-aggressive bullying and it's not working.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Quite. Although doesn't an Irish Unity poll have to be heldin the RoI at he same time?
There would be a lot of fun watching the Republic trying to wheedle out of such a poll...
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.
I find myself in the odd position of suddenly being outflanked by people who I would have considered far more pro-EU than I am.
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)
She will never revoke.
She’d resign first.
Casino and I have been here before, Sean, and I made it two to one on Revoke if it's a head-to-head with No Deal . I stand by that still, but of course I'm implying only a 66% probability - no racing certainty.
I'd make it shorter but I'm begining to wonder whether May might be becoming a little unhinged. That Wednesday nite broadcast was really....well, odd.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
TM the destroyer of the Tory Party . Corbyns secret asset
The front man of Vote Leave supports the deal.
The Chief Executive of Vote Leave supports the deal.
You need to direct your ire towards the Brexiteers of the ERG and DUP who are doing their best to stop Brexit.
After all Gove has said No Deal doesn't respect the referendum result.
The events of the past few weeks have led me to conclude that there will be no riots on the street if Brexit is betrayed. It seems like a handful of frustrated old men.
The long term problem is the disillusionment with democracy if the decision is revoked. I would personally prefer a customs union style arrangment over the deal, but either honour the result.
Why on earth are MP's getting a say anyway? There should have been no way they could possibly have overturned the vote. It makes the decision to hold a referendum pointless.
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/
The string "may ;'may,"May May May" may" may" may indeed be (countably) infinitely extensible. I would suggest an armistice.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Quite. Although doesn't an Irish Unity poll have to be heldin the RoI at he same time?
There would be a lot of fun watching the Republic trying to wheedle out of such a poll...
Ireland would love it and the Americans would cover any transition costs.
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
That's probably the saddest thing about Brexit for me.
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.
I find myself in the odd position of suddenly being outflanked by people who I would have considered far more pro-EU than I am.
Like you said last week, Ken Clarke is doing more to ensure the UK leaves the EU than say John Redwood and Jacob Rees-Mogg.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
That's fair enough, because a Referendum is another attempt to pass the buck, and avoid having to take a hard decision.
MP's who have been pressing for a referendum need to vote for what they really want, Revocation.
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.
She really doesn't.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.
Then why, pray tell, did she appear on the steps of Downing Street, after throwing away her majority, and announce, without consulting, or considering ANY other options, that she was to enter an arrangement with them? She wasn't forced to.
She needed a bigger majority because of the ERG loons.
Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
I would not disagree but as with everything brexit who replaces her, how and what does it change
Someone is surely going to have to take one for the team: someone who has no long-term leadership ambitions, someone who is capable of putting the country first. From here that must mean one of two things: 1. Reaching across to Labour MPs and getting a deal done to ensure Brexit by 22nd May. 2. A long extension so that there can be a general election that will hopefully break the deadlock. If we are to avoid a No Deal Brexit - which over 400 MPs have said they want to do - these are now the two realistic choices. It goes without saying, of course, that this will not happen.
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.
Wouldn’t you just delay the locals to align with whenever in May May may choose?
Contrary to your hopes, I will point out, if I may, "May May may" may not represent the longest possible sequence of Mays in a grammatical sentence.
Of course not - I would draw youe attention , if I may ;'may,"May May May" may" may be extended indefinitely just by quoting each previous 'may...may' as the seed and appending may / may at each end/
The string "may ;'may,"May May May" may" may" may indeed be (countably) infinitely extensible. I would suggest an armistice.
I never thought I'd see the day when PB became a repository of dank may-mays.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
Ludicrous hyperbole from Crispin Blunt, is he on poppers again?
One would not have thought he was a loon until fairly recently, though. I remember when Cameron was desperate to support him against his constituency association.
Yeah he isn't really one of the "usual suspects" so if he's representative of the level of anger in the Tory Party now I'd say it's not just curtains for Theresa but the whole government may be days or even hours from falling...
Not before 12th April. Even the HOC is not that barking
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect. When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her. Hence the impasse.
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
She wanted to ask for a long extension last week. Clearly she would do so next week.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect. When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her. Hence the impasse.
PS, I do not want a referendum. However, Parliament has to make a decision. Ruling out options Parliament may support is neither practical nor sensible.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
Do you want to trash the UK economy and make Putin and Farage happy by leaving the EU?
I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.
I have stopped watching and am now watching kids tv with two of my grandchildren, 7 and 5
And they knock spots off the mps on the intelligence stakes
It doesn't want a Referendum its already voted against it....
That wasn't the point. Indicative votes are an utter waste of time if they have no effect. When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her. Hence the impasse.
If the indicative vote process (is agreed and) does produce a clear consensus option, the government will have no choice but to run with it (or resign). Hence why they are so afraid of it. Nevertheless there is no guarantee such a consensus will emerge, although CM2 looks favourite to me.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.
I mean this is just weird now. Constant alternate questions from each side demanding a 2nd vote or leave with no deal, now. Each claiming a mandate for their position and she has to bat each away. You could just put this on a loop. It is pointless.
I have stopped watching and am now watching kids tv with two of my grandchildren, 7 and 5
And they knock spots off the mps on the intelligence stakes
Backing the withdrawal agreement but not the political declaration would be buying a pig in a poke. Why on earth should the opposition trust the government to take this forward sight unseen? Why, for that matter, would any MP?
Just maybe if they were promised an early election and it was recognised that it will be for the next government, not this one, to determine what our relationship with the EU will be? There is nothing in the WA, or for that matter in the PD, which would prevent a Labour government seeking a permanent CU, for example.
I'm clutching at straws here, I recognise that.
failure to agree a trade deal which seems incredibly likely will result in a permanent CU as part of the backstop.
Since that is Labour party policy I am not clear why that is a problem for them. But that's me trying to be rational again. Waste of time.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.
The only way TMay can personally "take No Deal away" is either by promising something she cannot necessarily deliver: a General Election or a new Referendum - or by Revoking.
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
I think that must be right. However, TM does not by now have a track record of reliably sticking to her commitments and promises so while it might be true that ultimately she will use her prerogative to revoke, she might also change her mind.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
I don't think that's sellable. Revoke is just a Deferral? Nah. It would be seen as Revoke and Remain, which is fair, as that would almost certainly be the result.
That's why, if TMay did do it, I think she'd have to resign immediately after.
Put it another way, in the next week or two TMay is going to have to do something she has consistently vowed not to do: allow No Deal, allow a referendum and extend, call a GE and extend, accept some new soft Deal that crosses all her red lines, or Revoke.
Any one of these will destroy her career, some will destroy her career, or her party, or her country, or all three.
Hope no one backed him win the Dem nomination/Presidency in 2020.
I keep having a double take when the Guardian refers to Stormy Daniels as a porn actor, thinking I must have missed a key episode of the story. Then I realise they mean actress.
"May suggests she would refuse to accept a plan for a referendum if MPs propose it in indicative votes."
More generally, refuse to pursue anything on Brexit which conflicts with the manifesto the Cons were elected on in 2017, e.g. staying in the CU and/or SM. Same goes for any other feasible Tory PM who might replace her.
A General Election is surely coming - but will it be before or after we leave?
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.
And when do we table the Referendum after that - for best of three? (Assuming your Remain lot don't get stuffed again by the voters. Which is not set in stone....they are in an ornery mood.)
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)
She will never revoke.
She’d resign first.
Casino and I have been here before, Sean, and I made it two to one on Revoke if it's a head-to-head with No Deal . I stand by that still, but of course I'm implying only a 66% probability - no racing certainty.
I'd make it shorter but I'm begining to wonder whether May might be becoming a little unhinged. That Wednesday nite broadcast was really....well, odd.
Don't think there ever any doubt who's side Theresa May was really on anyway...
As far as I can tell she's on her own side.
A normal person would have cracked up by now.
There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.
She has been trying to get her deal through parliament I mean it is such an innocuous simple thing - money, citizens, backstop - but for reasons of perfectly understandable ideology and political expediency too many MPs are rejecting it.
Which is a shame because as it stands it is the only sensible and coherent way forward. As, to be fair to her, she keeps on saying.
She might have sown the seeds for this mess two years ago but now that we are where we are she appears to be the lone voice of reason.
Yep I agree with that. But given that she did make such a mess of things early on and that she has clearly lost the confidence of pretty much everyone in the country, she really should take that final step and accept she will stand down if that is what it takes to get her deal through. The idea of her tin ear being in charge of the trade negotiations for the next two years is horrendous.
Put it another way, in the next week or two TMay is going to have to do something she has consistently vowed not to do: allow No Deal, allow a referendum and extend, call a GE and extend, accept some new soft Deal that crosses all her red lines, or Revoke.
Any one of these will destroy her career, some will destroy her career, or her party, or her country, or all three.
Hope no one backed him win the Dem nomination/Presidency in 2020.
I keep having a double take when the Guardian refers to Stormy Daniels as a porn actor, thinking I must have missed a key episode of the story. Then I realise they mean actress.
I'm now wondering what story you were watching and where the pizza delivery boy fitted in.
So. The PM has been exhorting Parliament to say what it wants, not what it doesn't want, for months now. But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
Britain is a Parliamentary Democracy. A Referendum got us into this mess so it's easy to work out that a second referendum probably won't solve it (especially as no-one has any plan for a referendum that works with 3 to 400 variations possibly on the table)
You identify another problem. No one could agree on the wording of a second referendum, even if the principle were agreed.
I'd be fine with another referendum that was between May's deal and no deal.
Never going to happen. It'll be between a sensible Brexit and the more sensible Remain.
And when do we table the Referendum after that - for best of three? (Assuming your Remain lot don't get stuffed again by the voters. Which is not set in stone....they are in an ornery mood.)
No, once there are specific proposals that can actually be implemented on both sides of the question, it'll be final.
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The Chief Executive of Vote Leave supports the deal.
You need to direct your ire towards the Brexiteers of the ERG and DUP who are doing their best to stop Brexit.
After all Gove has said No Deal doesn't respect the referendum result.
She wasn't forced to.
On that logic, she IS implying that she would Revoke, at the 11th hour, if necessary (and then resign?)
I can't see any other way to avoid No Deal.
I think her precise comment was 'Of course not'
She starts by reading out a prepared non-apology that she's been told to give for Wednesday's speech, and then spends the next hour and a half reiterating the same old refusals we've heard a thousand times already.
She appears to have absolutely no comprehension that the "same old" has been shown repeatedly not to work, so maybe it's time to start considering something different...
I am as happy to be blocked on twitter by that "comedian" for pointing out he tells the same joke on the same subject every day as I am to be reinstated on here! Please don't retweet* his boring unfunnyness
*joke joke
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1110162164172709889
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1110162167607775232
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1110163099888336897
https://twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1110165085123686400
Rational and moderate Tory MPs who I respected have gone all mad on Brexit.
May dodges the Q but doesn't deny what she said before.
But, if it wants a Referendum it can't have it...
The long term problem is the disillusionment with democracy if the decision is revoked. I would personally prefer a customs union style arrangment over the deal, but either honour the result.
MP's who have been pressing for a referendum need to vote for what they really want, Revocation.
"unhinged"
So it continues...
When May says she wants to know what Parliament wants, she means she wants it to agree with her.
Hence the impasse.
Revoking can be dressed up as deferring of course.
https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1110226898037161984
It was magical.
Yes or No.
And they knock spots off the mps on the intelligence stakes
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/25/michael-avenatti-to-be-charged-with-wire-and-bank-fraud.html
I just thought I'd put it out there.
That's why, if TMay did do it, I think she'd have to resign immediately after.
Put it another way, in the next week or two TMay is going to have to do something she has consistently vowed not to do: allow No Deal, allow a referendum and extend, call a GE and extend, accept some new soft Deal that crosses all her red lines, or Revoke.
Any one of these will destroy her career, some will destroy her career, or her party, or her country, or all three.
A General Election is surely coming - but will it be before or after we leave?