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Wasn't that obvious? The Remainers and the ERG have been trying to filibuster for about 2 yearsSouthamObserver said:Interesting ...
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/11101974661488189480 -
No f**king chanceBenpointer said:
Will that be enough to get the ERG and DUP to toe the line?Scott_P said:0 -
May 2nd GE can now be 100% ruled out - May would have to have announced today so as to put Motion on Order Paper for vote tomorrow to dissolve Parliament by midnight tomorrow.0
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Most polls do have the Tories in front at the moment. Not sure that's easy he meant thoughAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
'Win a GE with a Leaver Party'.Norm said:This is a lunatic fantasy
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1109961408807137281
Yes, that's what the polling clearly shows. Oh no. Wait.0 -
SeanT said:
There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
Depends who takes over from Theresa May and whether they can achieve a majority government for their version of Brexit in any future general election?0 -
Bohemian Rhapsody opens in China, minus all the gay bits
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-47693115
Must be a very short and confusing film....0 -
Yesss... I once though that about bank shares during the 2008/9 crash. Bought HBOS at a 50% discount to their peak. Not my best investment decision ever.IanB2 said:
The only upside of accidental no deal is the profit we'll be able to make by trying to buy £s at the bottom. The damage to the country will be progressive and insidious, but our currency will overreact on the downside straight away.Benpointer said:
Hopefully. But in the event of an accidental No Deal anything could happen.IanB2 said:
Maybe briefly, but the bottom line is that the £ is undervalued because of the cumulative insanity of our government. Sooner or later this must break on the upside.Richard_Nabavi said:
Definitely less than that if No deal were to happen (which the markets have so far given a lowish probability to, so it hasn't been 'tested'). I agree with Topping that the upside could be 1.45-1.48 - certainly at least 1.40.IanB2 said:
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I think he actually physically attacked him.justin124 said:
I am rather surprised by that. Throwing eggs at politicians at election time was for many years a common occurrence.Harold Wilson had quite a few thrown at him during the 1970 election.FrancisUrquhart said:A Brexit supporter who egged Jeremy Corbyn while yelling "respect the vote" has been jailed for 28 days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
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Can anyone explain what on earth is going on?0
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Someone has just taken all £10,000 at 1.03 for 29/3 no on Betfair (as tipped by Nick Palmer at the weekend).0
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The PM appears to have ruled out any possible way forward that would be under the government's control, and is simply waiting for Letwin to pass.0
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This is heading to no deal sadly0
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I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
What I think is clear is that 9 years of very tight public spending, if not actual austerity in most cases, with cuts in real wages and benefits for those in the public sector have left a long tail legacy of dislike/hatred for the Tories which they are going to find genuinely difficult to overcome. My own guess is that the extent of that damage has been hidden by the complete ineptitude of Corbyn and that Labour under a credible, electable leader may well be set for a Blair style annihilation of the Conservatives who have never managed to get a solid majority despite their success with the economy as a whole.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.0 -
She wants to blame parliament for Brexit not happening.IanB2 said:The PM appears to have ruled out any possible way forward that would be under the government's control, and is simply waiting for Letwin to pass.
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You're a PRoponent?OldKingCole said:
Im not an opponent of PR. In fact the opposite.IanB2 said:
Italy's problems have nothing to do with its voting system. Opponents of PR always cite Israel or Italy, but this adds no more value than citing a whole host of stable European countries in its favour.OldKingCole said:
To be fair, Italy has a form of PR, and many of their politicians 'are not to be recommended'.Sean_F said:0 -
Since all it requires is an emergency letter from the UK to the EU with the latter holding an emergency consultation to agree, I doubt it.Sean_F said:
No Deal will never deliberately happen. It very may well accidentally happen, if the Commons cannot come to any decision.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope so but am very concerned it is still possibleIanB2 said:Buy £/$. No deal is almost off the table.
Despite Corbyn now reading out the speech he wrote early this morning.0 -
Well Kings XI Punjab have made 175-4, and Rajasthan Royals complete with Butler, Stokes and Archer are going to try and chase it down...SouthamObserver said:Can anyone explain what on earth is going on?
I presume you are talking about the IPL?0 -
No.Benpointer said:
Will that be enough to get the ERG and DUP to toe the line?Scott_P said:0 -
Francois up now. Oh goody...0
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Quite the opposite.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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SeanT said:
There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
Only because the Leavers refused to accept and lead their victory.0 -
Can we vote for Mark Francois to leave the UK on 29th March, with no deal?
Utterly bloody pointless and dim.0 -
May has no new ideas and is simply waiting to see what passes tonight before thinking about what to do tomorrow.SouthamObserver said:Can anyone explain what on earth is going on?
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I thought May had categorically said No Deal wasn't happening unless Parliament approved it?Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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One of the most inspirational films I have seen. I left the cinema with a renewed lust for life!FrancisUrquhart said:Bohemian Rhapsody opens in China, minus all the gay bits
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-47693115
Must be a very short and confusing film....0 -
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.
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As I have been saying for months.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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I hope you are right but there is no pathway but revoke/referendum by the 12th April and stand in EU electionsIanB2 said:
Quite the opposite.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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Long time since I posted here. (10 years plus).
I have often read during those years.
About Michael Gove at Education. Mrs MoanR was a teacher during those years.
She strongly disapproves of bad language. However during the Gove years, myself and our children were frequently appalled by the obscenities that came out of her mouth about Gove. Children used to ask her: “Do you know what those words mean?” She has never reacted in the same way to anyone else.
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Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
We'll have a long extension and EU elections, for sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope you are right but there is no pathway but revoke/referendum by the 12th April and stand in EU electionsIanB2 said:
Quite the opposite.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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He’s like that every week. Whenever he gets up to speak.TOPPING said:What a twat Blackford is - he thinks he's at Bannockburn. Totally misplaced rhetoric.
If Brexit does totally fail one upside is that it should put off Scottish Independence for a bit.
I can’t imagine floating voters tolerating much frothing rhetoric for a bit.0 -
By mistake or more likely by confusionGIN1138 said:
I thought May had categorically said No Deal wasn't happening unless Parliament approved it?Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
I’d strongly counsel against that.isam said:
I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
What I think is clear is that 9 years of very tight public spending, if not actual austerity in most cases, with cuts in real wages and benefits for those in the public sector have left a long tail legacy of dislike/hatred for the Tories which they are going to find genuinely difficult to overcome. My own guess is that the extent of that damage has been hidden by the complete ineptitude of Corbyn and that Labour under a credible, electable leader may well be set for a Blair style annihilation of the Conservatives who have never managed to get a solid majority despite their success with the economy as a whole.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.
Farage is toxic. And, if he didn’t take over the party in short order, would flounce out bad mouthing everyone else in it.0 -
And to think we lost Charlie Kennedy for this.Casino_Royale said:
He’s like that every week. Whenever he gets up to speak.TOPPING said:What a twat Blackford is - he thinks he's at Bannockburn. Totally misplaced rhetoric.
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Ken Clarke is wonderful isn't he - the Con manifesto was only issued halfway through the GE campaign when candidates were already in place and campaigning - and in any case he wasn't sent a copy of the manifesto so he can't be held accountable to it.0
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She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
The level of intellect coming from the green benches makes you despair0
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Even supporters of May and her deal getting frustrated now by the total lack of clarity.0
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So his party published a public manifesto and he didn't read it because it wasn't sent to him?MikeL said:Ken Clarke is wonderful isn't he - the Con manifesto was only issued halfway through the GE campaign when candidates were already in place and campaigning - and in any case he wasn't sent a copy of the manifesto so he can't be held accountable to it.
Having said that, I wonder how many MPs have actually read the withdrawal agreement...0 -
She'd be bluffing if she said that and it would end with her doing a Tsipras and going back on her word.Sean_F said:
She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
I'm happy to vote for Mark Francois to leave the UK on any date.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Can we vote for Mark Francois to leave the UK on 29th March, with no deal?
Utterly bloody pointless and dim.0 -
Palmerston perhaps?SouthamObserver said:Can anyone explain what on earth is going on?
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Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.0
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If May revokes it’s the end of the Tory party and a guaranteed Marxist government which would do more damage than a no deal exitIanB2 said:
As I have been saying for months.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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Why would it be a bluff? If Parliament wants to stop Brexit, then let them step up and install a government that will do so. It would help clarify things.williamglenn said:
She'd be bluffing if she said that and it would end with her doing a Tsipras and going back on her word.Sean_F said:
She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
The first part of that is true. Unfortunately the second part isn't - a no-deal exit not only would be a disaster in its own right, it would also guarantee a Marxist government which would compound the disaster.kjohnw said:
If May revokes it’s the end of the Tory party and a guaranteed Marxist government which would do more damage than a no deal exitIanB2 said:
As I have been saying for months.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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I think it is dawning on the mps that the choices are more complex than ever and they seem to be collectively confused0
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I don't share the view myself, but I found it interesting this weekend visiting family and friends that every single one of them (from middle aged tory remainers and brexiteers to millenial lefties Labour and TIG types to more apolitical ones) took the viewpoint that May is doing as best a job as she can manage, she doesn't deserve the blame (who does deserve the blame got much more varied responses) and that no-one else Inc Corbyn would really do much better right now. The only one who wanted her gone was my no-dealer father funnily enough.
I think she is given a lot of credit by the public given just how uncompromising and tin eared she has been, but I do wonder if the tories should be thinking twice about jettisonning her. Shes probably the only reason they are holding up in polls. Kicking her out to put in Gove or Lidlington could see the tories lose any last goodwill from the public.0 -
Bonar LawDecrepitJohnL said:
Who was the last foreign-born Prime Minister? Wasn't one of the early 20th Century PMs born in Canada? New Zealand-born Bryan Gould was an unsuccessful contender for the Labour leadership 40-ish years ago.Casino_Royale said:
Suggesting Jean-Claude Juncker should be PM of the UK sounds like a step too far.williamglenn said:
People have heard of Jean-Claude Juncker, and his current job will be finished soon.AlastairMeeks said:He is at least known. While David Lidington would be a fabulous payday for me, I do think the country is entitled to have a Prime Minister that it has actually heard of.
Even for you.
Who was so famous the title of his *autobiography* was “the unknown prime minister”0 -
Parliament can't legally stop No Deal, but it can do a lot to make it impossible for the government on a practical level.
If Parliament votes for something on Wednesday, Theresa May will go along with it and challenge her party to sack her. If its something she disagrees with, she'll call an election.0 -
I would not disagree but as with everything brexit who replaces her, how and what does it changeSouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
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As SeanT said I suspect Brexit will now die through boredom rather than a dramatic revocation. We will agree to take part in Euro elections and move discussions to a Norway+ Brexit. Ultras will condemn this as a betrayal. Remainers will condemn it as being pointless and inferior to our current situation. Norway + will face a second ref which will be lost by Leave as their most motivated supporters won't be interested.0
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She will never revoke.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
She’d resign first.0 -
Oh no we are not still saying Farage is toxic are we?! I lost count of the times I was told how big UKIP would be if only it wasnt for him... doesn't seem like it worked out that wayCasino_Royale said:
I’d strongly counsel against that.isam said:
I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.
Farage is toxic. And, if he didn’t take over the party in short order, would flounce out bad mouthing everyone else in it.
But he wont be anything to do with the SDP anyway, they are not Thatcherites, more like the kind of party Matthew Goodwin keeps saying people want, old school working class I'd say0 -
Ditto after no deal. Hence the dilemma.kjohnw said:
If May revokes it’s the end of the Tory party and a guaranteed Marxist government which would do more damage than a no deal exitIanB2 said:
As I have been saying for months.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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Why are you confused? She's simply stating the bleedin' obvious, as indeed she has been for months. Admittedly she states it badly, but it remains true that there is only one deal on the table, and the alternatives are crashing out in chaos or not leaving at all.SouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
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Is Philip looking exasperated in the public gallery?dixiedean said:Even supporters of May and her deal getting frustrated now by the total lack of clarity.
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Meeting with the DUP went well then...0
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It would be a bluff because she wouldn't go through with it. When it came to the 11th hour she would revoke.Sean_F said:
Why would it be a bluff? If Parliament wants to stop Brexit, then let them step up and install a government that will do so. It would help clarify things.williamglenn said:
She'd be bluffing if she said that and it would end with her doing a Tsipras and going back on her word.Sean_F said:
She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
Yup, he didn't lob an egg, he smashed an egg onto the side of Corbyn's head.SouthamObserver said:
I think he actually physically attacked him.justin124 said:
I am rather surprised by that. Throwing eggs at politicians at election time was for many years a common occurrence.Harold Wilson had quite a few thrown at him during the 1970 election.FrancisUrquhart said:A Brexit supporter who egged Jeremy Corbyn while yelling "respect the vote" has been jailed for 28 days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
Think of it more as an assault with an egg in your hand.0 -
I think a no deal with Boris as PM could beat CorbynIanB2 said:
Ditto after no deal. Hence the dilemma.kjohnw said:
If May revokes it’s the end of the Tory party and a guaranteed Marxist government which would do more damage than a no deal exitIanB2 said:
As I have been saying for months.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
Edit/ Mrs May admitting right now that no deal won't happen
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That seems logical but still not convinced about the HOC agreeing to EU electionsNorm said:As SeanT said I suspect Brexit will now die through boredom rather than a dramatic revocation. We will agree to take part in Euro elections and move discussions to a Norway+ Brexit. Ultras will condemn this as a betrayal. Remainers will condemn it as being pointless and inferior to our current situation. Norway + will face a second ref which will be lost by Leave as their most motivated supporters won't be interested.
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Well Montie is always wrong so we're headed for No Deal.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/11102064122679664640 -
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
What joy to see Bill Cash realize that March 29 isn’t happening . The repeal of the EU Communities Act hasn’t been triggered .
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I suspect the Tories are doing well simply because Corbyn isn't an option for a lot of people. So nothing will change much in the polls until Corbyn is replacedParistonda said:I don't share the view myself, but I found it interesting this weekend visiting family and friends that every single one of them (from middle aged tory remainers and brexiteers to millenial lefties Labour and TIG types to more apolitical ones) took the viewpoint that May is doing as best a job as she can manage, she doesn't deserve the blame (who does deserve the blame got much more varied responses) and that no-one else Inc Corbyn would really do much better right now. The only one who wanted her gone was my no-dealer father funnily enough.
I think she is given a lot of credit by the public given just how uncompromising and tin eared she has been, but I do wonder if the tories should be thinking twice about jettisonning her. Shes probably the only reason they are holding up in polls. Kicking her out to put in Gove or Lidlington could see the tories lose any last goodwill from the public.
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I am confused because I did not hear her say that. I heard her say we would not go to a No Deal as the House has already voted against it while also saying we would go to a No Deal if the House did not approve her deal. It could be that is not what she said or meant, but that is what I heard.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why are you confused? She's simply stating the bleedin' obvious, as indeed she has been for months. Admittedly she states it badly, but it remains true that there is only one deal on the table, and the alternatives are crashing out in chaos or not leaving at all.SouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
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Yes - most people are bored to death with it and just want it to go away. And a long extension ultimately leading to remain is now the likeliest way of making that happen. Anecdotally a number of non-political friends who a few weeks ago were in the "let's get on with it and leave" camp are now in the "let's drop the whole idea" camp.Norm said:As SeanT said I suspect Brexit will now die through boredom rather than a dramatic revocation. We will agree to take part in Euro elections and move discussions to a Norway+ Brexit. Ultras will condemn this as a betrayal. Remainers will condemn it as being pointless and inferior to our current situation. Norway + will face a second ref which will be lost by Leave as their most motivated supporters won't be interested.
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There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.Peter_the_Punter said:
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
I think she has cracked up - but in a very Home Counties, Tory kind of way.Peter_the_Punter said:
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:
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That person must be a bit dim !DecrepitJohnL said:Someone has just taken all £10,000 at 1.03 for 29/3 no on Betfair (as tipped by Nick Palmer at the weekend).
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Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.0 -
Lol @ Tory MP complaining about surge in non-EU immigration since the Brexit vote0
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She knows she has already as good as lost controlSouthamObserver said:
I am confused because I did not hear her say that. I heard her say we would not go to a No Deal as the House has already voted against it while also saying we would go to a No Deal if the House did not approve her deal. It could be that is not what she said or meant, but that is what I heard.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why are you confused? She's simply stating the bleedin' obvious, as indeed she has been for months. Admittedly she states it badly, but it remains true that there is only one deal on the table, and the alternatives are crashing out in chaos or not leaving at all.SouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
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No it's dawning on them that theyBig_G_NorthWales said:I think it is dawning on the mps that the choices are more complex than ever and they seem to be collectively confused
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Stop Stormont salaries until they sit again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
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Casino and I have been here before, Sean, and I made it two to one on Revoke if it's a head-to-head with No Deal . I stand by that still, but of course I'm implying only a 66% probability - no racing certainty.Casino_Royale said:
She will never revoke.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
She’d resign first.
I'd make it shorter but I'm begining to wonder whether May might be becoming a little unhinged. That Wednesday nite broadcast was really....well, odd.0 -
The golden rule of William Glenn - as I’ve said before on here, more than once - is that whatever the scenario, circumstance, development or protagonist the answer is always inevitable Hard Remain.williamglenn said:
It would be a bluff because she wouldn't go through with it. When it came to the 11th hour she would revoke.Sean_F said:
Why would it be a bluff? If Parliament wants to stop Brexit, then let them step up and install a government that will do so. It would help clarify things.williamglenn said:
She'd be bluffing if she said that and it would end with her doing a Tsipras and going back on her word.Sean_F said:
She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.0 -
Chances are the indicative votes won't come up with any agreement either?Big_G_NorthWales said:I think it is dawning on the mps that the choices are more complex than ever and they seem to be collectively confused
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I get the impression he is mostly worried about having to pick up the pieces depending on how and when his Mrs is forced from office.Casino_Royale said:
Is Philip looking exasperated in the public gallery?dixiedean said:Even supporters of May and her deal getting frustrated now by the total lack of clarity.
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Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.0 -
Would I be right in thinking that the only sure way to avoid no deal would be for the Government to be willing to revoke Art 50 regardless of whether parliament consents - consent not being required as it is government action to NOT change people's rights, and being in the EU and remaining therein by revoking, EU law trumps our law whatever parliament has already passed on the subject?Benpointer said:
Will that be enough to get the ERG and DUP to toe the line?Scott_P said:
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Indeed.CarlottaVance said:
Stop Stormont salaries until they sit again.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
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Resign and let the House revoke. Same difference.Casino_Royale said:
She will never revoke.SeanT said:
I think TMay has just very heavily implied that she would Revoke rather than allow No Deal, at the last minute (on the grounds that parliament has decided against)Big_G_NorthWales said:This is heading to no deal sadly
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Things have changed since peak UKIP in 2012-2014, mate.isam said:
Oh no we are not still saying Farage is toxic are we?! I lost count of the times I was told how big UKIP would be if only it wasnt for him... doesn't seem like it worked out that wayCasino_Royale said:
I’d strongly counsel against that.isam said:
I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.
Farage is toxic. And, if he didn’t take over the party in short order, would flounce out bad mouthing everyone else in it.
But he wont be anything to do with the SDP anyway, they are not Thatcherites, more like the kind of party Matthew Goodwin keeps saying people want, old school working class I'd say
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Quite.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
Although doesn't an Irish Unity poll have to be heldin the RoI at he same time?0 -
She has been trying to get her deal through parliament I mean it is such an innocuous simple thing - money, citizens, backstop - but for reasons of perfectly understandable ideology and political expediency too many MPs are rejecting it.AlastairMeeks said:
There has been no point in the last three months when I have understood what Theresa May was trying to do. She has spent the time trying to defibrillate a corpse. The time could have been better used looking for an alternative resolution. She should have stood down long ago.Peter_the_Punter said:
A normal person would have cracked up by now.AlastairMeeks said:
Which is a shame because as it stands it is the only sensible and coherent way forward. As, to be fair to her, she keeps on saying.
She might have sown the seeds for this mess two years ago but now that we are where we are she appears to be the lone voice of reason.0 -
As Theresa May never said!Casino_Royale said:
Things have changed since peak UKIP in 2012-2014, mate.isam said:
Oh no we are not still saying Farage is toxic are we?! I lost count of the times I was told how big UKIP would be if only it wasnt for him... doesn't seem like it worked out that wayCasino_Royale said:
I’d strongly counsel against that.isam said:
I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.
Farage is toxic. And, if he didn’t take over the party in short order, would flounce out bad mouthing everyone else in it.
But he wont be anything to do with the SDP anyway, they are not Thatcherites, more like the kind of party Matthew Goodwin keeps saying people want, old school working class I'd say
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One can always make the mistake of thinking that someone else will do what one would do.williamglenn said:
It would be a bluff because she wouldn't go through with it. When it came to the 11th hour she would revoke.Sean_F said:
Why would it be a bluff? If Parliament wants to stop Brexit, then let them step up and install a government that will do so. It would help clarify things.williamglenn said:
She'd be bluffing if she said that and it would end with her doing a Tsipras and going back on her word.Sean_F said:
She has. She can simply say No Revocation. That gives the Commons the option of choosing a government more to their liking, and that's what I would do in her position.williamglenn said:
It might not need a vote. Parliament has already voted against no deal and against the deal, so the PM has no real choice when faced with the cliff edge.isam said:
Portillo said similar last Thursday.. it should come down to No Deal, or Revoke, although his parting shot was "the names of the MP's who voted to revoke will be in Hansardfor all to see"SouthamObserver said:
Maybe it's best to see it as three very distinct choices:Norm said:
Leavers are hopelessly split down the middle. The purists are killing it for the rest of us.SeanT said:There's gonna be a looooong extension, possibly into next year.
By the end we will get so bored we might just say Sod it, and forget about Brexit altogether.
I think the Remainers just won.
* Revoke and remain
* Leave with the May deal
* Leave without a deal
In such circumstances, revoke and remain may well be the most popular in the country.
This whole thing is absolutely insane.
There are no circumstances in which I would revoke, so I'd just say "over to you."0 -
Someone is surely going to have to take one for the team: someone who has no long-term leadership ambitions, someone who is capable of putting the country first. From here that must mean one of two things:Big_G_NorthWales said:
I would not disagree but as with everything brexit who replaces her, how and what does it changeSouthamObserver said:Well, I ma totally confused. It seems as if May is promising both No Deal and an extended delay at exactly the same time. She had already lost all semblance of authority and now she has lost any notion of a strategy. She is totally at the mercy of events. Action is needed to remove her immediately.
1. Reaching across to Labour MPs and getting a deal done to ensure Brexit by 22nd May.
2. A long extension so that there can be a general election that will hopefully break the deadlock.
If we are to avoid a No Deal Brexit - which over 400 MPs have said they want to do - these are now the two realistic choices. It goes without saying, of course, that this will not happen.
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She really doesn't.dixiedean said:
Can only assume the reason she hasn't. As I suggested earlier and was shot down. She has a heck of a lot of sympathy with their views.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mrs May needs to go postal on the DUP.dixiedean said:Meeting with the DUP went well then...
Tell them that one of the first consequences of No Deal is an Irish Unity Poll for which she will legislate for (and is guaranteed support from Corbyn's Labour Party.)
Also she should say she takes on board the DUP's concerns about NI divergence from GB so she will legislate to enable same sex marriage and abortion in NI.
She was the Home Secretary that enacted same sex marriage in England & Wales.
One of the highlights for me of GE2017 was when Andrew Marr asked her if she thought 'gay sex was a sin' a la Tim Farron. She said no, I think he was expecting answer from the daughter of a CoE vicar.0 -
Surely she has to resign now , she has failed the country her time is up. How can she carry on like this . There will be riots in the streets if brexit is betrayed . A new leader who will implement the referendum is needed .
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There's a poll from Opinium which I don't think was reported.
Con 36%, Lab 35%, UKIP 9%, Lib Dem 7%, Others 13%.
Remain vs Leave with May's Deal is 45% to 37%.
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I agree he isnt a good fit for the SDP, but if we revoke I reckon he could win a seat as an Independent.Casino_Royale said:
Things have changed since peak UKIP in 2012-2014, mate.isam said:
Oh no we are not still saying Farage is toxic are we?! I lost count of the times I was told how big UKIP would be if only it wasnt for him... doesn't seem like it worked out that wayCasino_Royale said:
I’d strongly counsel against that.isam said:
I think I will vote for them next time if they stand a candidate. I suggested to one of their people they needed Farage to get some WOW factor, but apparently they are too far apart economically... they shouldnt stand against him if he ran though IMOCasino_Royale said:
One of my closest friends has defected from the Tories to them.isam said:
The gap in the market seems to be for an economically left but socially conservative party. The revamped SDP are that, but they don't seem to get much publicity as they have no parliamentarians.Casino_Royale said:DavidL said:On topic there was some interesting discussion of this at the weekend in relation to the London march which seemed to be largely comprised of middle class professionals who once would have been Tories and now aren't. Some of these statistics may well be down to the same tendency manifesting itself in the teaching profession.
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
Yes, I’m expecting a drubbing in the not so distant future.DavidL said:
If this happens people will inevitably blame Brexit but I think the causes are much deeper. I hope sending Corbyn a get well soon card is on May's to do list. He is their only hope.
The Conservatives have never looked totally secure in the last ten years, and i can feel the country moving Left in my gut, which the fundamentals in the underlying data suggest as well.
Farage is toxic. And, if he didn’t take over the party in short order, would flounce out bad mouthing everyone else in it.
But he wont be anything to do with the SDP anyway, they are not Thatcherites, more like the kind of party Matthew Goodwin keeps saying people want, old school working class I'd say
When the facts change you have to reassess.0 -
"May suggests she would refuse to accept a plan for a referendum if MPs propose it in indicative votes."0
