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Wondering how many PMs we will have this year. Could be as many as four.0
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Unfortunately there is no such person available.Scott_P said:
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OK, I wasn't being facetious, I didn't really look at the deal, I just thought MP's should back whatever the PM came back with as if they were crossing the t's and dotting the... lower case j's. IMO the whole thing was all about FOM anyway, but even if that hadn't been taken care of, it was better to back it, get out, then take it from thereCasino_Royale said:
It was. Ed Conway did an analysis on it.isam said:
Was it a hard Brexit? I thought it was a bit of a compromise? Either way I agree they should have voted for it, personally I dont think the Commons should have even got to vote on it at all. But the ERG are still part of one of the two major parties, as out of touch and vain as the rest of them.Casino_Royale said:
Theresa May offered a hard Brexit. The ERG refused to vote for it.isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
I hold them beneath contempt.
Most of our economy is services, and it got us out of all of those aspects of the single market, plus of course the customs union once the backstop arrangements had been superseded, and no free movement.0 -
Dunno. Can't see a future me drinking in the David Lidington Free House. But, strange things do keep happening.HYUFD said:Could Lidington be the Robert Peel of his age? Avoids hard Brexit just as Peel ensured Corn Laws Repeal with the support of the opposition but against the majority of his party and just as Peelites then joined with the Whigs to form the Liberals leaving the remaining Tories to move to a protectionist ticket so many Tory Remainers could defect to TIG leaving the remaining Tories to move to a hard Brexit ticket
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Funnily enough what GIN is saying is what the BBC's guy just said on the 1015 news - that May would resign as Tory leader whilst staying in office as PM meantime. But I reckon he was out of the loop preparing for his TV slot, missing the breaking gossip. And May as PM is the problem, anyhow.JosephG said:
Technically, her involvement would be required because her last act would be to advise Her Majesty to call for Mr Liddington.GIN1138 said:Of course this "quick switch" to Liddington also rely's on Theresa May playing along.
She could just announce, tomorrow, that she's standing down as Con leader and triggering a leadership contest but will remain as PM until the leader is chosen by the Party.
Would be absolutely nothing the Cabinet schemers could do about that...
Maybe that's what all the meetings with Boris have been about this week?0 -
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
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Would they really deliver it though? I mean, it's not really about the CU, right? It's about being against the government's thing without being against brexit. If PM Post-TMay goes off to Brussels and comes back with a CU plan, won't Labour just vote that down too? It's not like there won't be anything to criticize it for.IanB2 said:
Labour's price is the CU (and some detail around rights). The LD/TIG price is Ref2. Suspect government will prefer Labour's.Casino_Royale said:
The deal will be done with Watson.anothernick said:
Do you think Corbyn would do a deal with Hunt?NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Because I don't.
Corbyn doesn't want a deal. We all know that.0 -
Can we please have a proper referendum that will result in a Condorcet winner?
It's dead simple. The ballot paper contains three questions:
Deal or No Deal?
Deal or Remain?
No Deal or Remain?
If No Deal really is the will of the people, it will win. But I suspect that almost everyone who claims "Remaining in the EU is better than this deal," would actually pick "Deal" on the old Deal vs Remain question.0 -
I would agree however since he's French can he change his nationality to Norman?Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/11095818401956986880 -
Thanks RichardRichard_Tyndall said:0 -
The Labour leadership will not work with any Tory. They will present demands and will offer no compromise from them. They will be hoping and praying for Gove or Hunt to takeover. Like most of us, they’ll have no idea who Lidington is.0
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Not this again.bigjohnowls said:Lidington means #CorbynsCustomsUnion
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If we want someone to build a consensus how about Jeremy Wright? He likes building
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/09/culture-secretary-jeremy-wright-reveals-his-love-of-lego0 -
What makes Lidington awesome is that he's in favour of sorting out Brexit via AV and secondly he's a Sidney Sussex old boy.
We can all agree it is time for a PM not from the dump, the dump has ruined British politics.0 -
I can't think of one since the Great Reform Act who was not LotO (to the extent that that post existed) or holder of one of the three big posts at the time they became PM. Churchill is the only person I can think of who at the time was not in this category, but he had in previous decades been Home Sec. and Chancellor.viewcode said:
I thought Douglas-Home, but he was Foreign Secretary first. It'll probably have to be the pre-WWII ones.dixiedean said:Who was the last PM not to have been an election winning LOTO, nor a former holder of one of the big 3 posts.
Ps, not a quiz question, a genuine inquiry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Douglas-Home0 -
Maybe the PM shouldn't be a member of any political party. Chuka Umunna? Sylvia Hermon? John Bercow? David Beckham?Andrew said:In this time of trouble and strife, when nobody can unite the commons, I call for a Green style shared Prime Ministership between the parties.
Come forth, PM Grayling/Williamson.0 -
I reckon it's more personal than that - she won't hand over to any of her actual rivals.Scott_P said:0 -
Brexit is the only series that has jumped the shark before filming has started.Casino_Royale said:
It will make a good Netflix box set in years to come.TheScreamingEagles said:Brexit is tremendously exciting isn't it.
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Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...0 -
Yes, we could do a lot worse!Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/1109581840195698688
More seriously, this is a situation like the Tories in 1997 and Labour in 2010, when a party has hung on too long and is simply at the end of its tether. I can't see any of the candidates forming a stable government at this point.0 -
So he knows where the skeletons are buried. Or, at least, Cromwell's head.TheScreamingEagles said:What makes Lidington awesome is that he's in favour of sorting out Brexit via AV and secondly he's a Sidney Sussex old boy.
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Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.0 -
And welcome back isam!0
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William of Orange was only asked to take the throne because he was married to Mary II, who was daughter of James II.Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/11095818401956986880 -
Those were the old rules. Jeremy Corbyn proved that it doesn't matter.Nemtynakht said:
She wouldn’t be able to stay if there was a mass resignation. .viewcode said:
Which brings me back to my original question: how can May be forced to resign? She won't go voluntarily.edmundintokyo said:Everybody in the Cabinet: It's over, you have to go
TMay: No
[if she goes voluntarily in the next 24 hours, please feel free to hit me with a large haddock]0 -
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
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Cheers NickNickPalmer said:And welcome back isam!
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Wrong historical analogy. Brexit is not the Corn Laws redux, it is the one after that: tariff reform. Theresa May is Stanley Baldwin.HYUFD said:Could Lidington be the Robert Peel of his age? Avoids hard Brexit just as Peel ensured Corn Laws Repeal with the support of the opposition but against the majority of his party and just as Peelites then joined with the Whigs to form the Liberals leaving the remaining Tories to move to a protectionist ticket so many Tory Remainers could defect to TIG leaving the remaining Tories to move to a hard Brexit ticket
Tory Party split over tariff reform -- free trade or Imperial preference.
Baldwin called an unnecessary election -- and lost.
Baldwin was accused of putting party before country.
Baldwin spent his holidays taking long walks.
Theresa May is Stanley Baldwin.0 -
Thanks, but clearly that person has never watched Pulp Fiction.Scott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
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It's Gove now, last matched at 3.5 and with bakc/lay of 3.7/4.9 as I type.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Thanks.viewcode said:
No I'm clueless! I had £37 at 1000 on Portillo to take over from May in a Jose/Ole stylee!!0 -
It seems to me to be a bit pointless. We end up following rules without having a say in them. That’s not taking back control. In fact, it’s humiliating for a self-respecting country. It’s just a formal version of May kicking her heels in a side room while the EU decided what extension they would grant.Casino_Royale said:
I thought you were up for a CU + SM Brexit?Cyclefree said:
But remaining in the CU while outside the SM is pretty pointless; we get all the downsides and few of the upsides. We may as well Remain.NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Trying to cobble a Brexit deal in panic in 3 weeks is ludicrous. Far better to revoke, participate in the EU elections and take a year, whatever it takes, to work out what we want to do and come up with a realistic well-thought out plan with as much cross-party consensus as possible.0 -
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570-1 -
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The ERG will clearly vote against anything (other than no deal) and therefore can, and must, be written off if the crisis is to be solved. That much is obvious.anothernick said:
Watson would not do a deal that the majority of the PLP and party membership could not support. And their price would be a second referendum. Any deal with any opposition party will involve a second referendum. And the ERG will never agree to that.IanB2 said:
Labour's price is the CU (and some detail around rights). The LD/TIG price is Ref2. Suspect government will prefer Labour's.Casino_Royale said:
The deal will be done with Watson.anothernick said:
Do you think Corbyn would do a deal with Hunt?NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Because I don't.
Corbyn doesn't want a deal. We all know that.0 -
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Local government electoral roll: 47,785,500 (chosen as the larger electoral roll number)
Petition signatures: 4,727,060
If Brexit were named Phil Woolas, we'd have a second referendum by morning.0 -
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Great to see you! Hope life and work treating you well.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...0 -
Three candidates -- Gove, Hunt and Lidington -- with none commanding majority support. This coup is a perfect analogy for Brexit.Scott_P said:
Which is why we cannot completely rule out a fourth candidate emerging.0 -
Been out, much going on? innocent face.
Edit - Oh, I see there is big breaking news....iSam is back.0 -
Thanks, actually I cant complain. Same back to you!MyBurningEars said:
Great to see you! Hope life and work treating you well.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...0 -
Course they will compromise.SouthamObserver said:The Labour leadership will not work with any Tory. They will present demands and will offer no compromise from them. They will be hoping and praying for Gove or Hunt to takeover. Like most of us, they’ll have no idea who Lidington is.
OK what I mean is Tory capitulation and acceptance of #CorbynsCustomsUnion
Deal signed with Donald Tusk singing Ohhhhh Jeeèrrŕemmmy Cooooorbyn0 -
Greetings. Hope the betting has been kind to you....isam said:0 -
IanB2 said:
The ERG will clearly vote against anything (other than no deal) and therefore can, and must, be written off if the crisis is to be solved. That much is obvious.
ERG will vote against any EU relationship short of mining the Channel.
Corbyn will whip against anything the Tories suggest.
Most of Labour backbench and SNP/LDs/Tig will vote against anything that involves leaving.
The DUP will just say no to everything out of habit.
How can anyone pass anything?
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I was at a Janazah today and there was a milk in firster there.FrancisUrquhart said:Been out, much going on? innocent face.
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Well that's why I oppose the backstop, but if you're against that what are you in favour of?Cyclefree said:
It seems to me to be a bit pointless. We end up following rules without having a say in them. That’s not taking back control. In fact, it’s humiliating for a self-respecting country. It’s just a formal version of May kicking her heels in a side room while the EU decided what extension they would grant.Casino_Royale said:
I thought you were up for a CU + SM Brexit?Cyclefree said:
But remaining in the CU while outside the SM is pretty pointless; we get all the downsides and few of the upsides. We may as well Remain.NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Trying to cobble a Brexit deal in panic in 3 weeks is ludicrous. Far better to revoke, participate in the EU elections and take a year, whatever it takes, to work out what we want to do and come up with a realistic well-thought out plan with as much cross-party consensus as possible.0 -
So that goes on the table for the next six months, while your perfectly sensible observations gradually sink in; meanwhile the ERG burst their veins trashing the proposal as not Brexit. Then we have a vote between the new proposal and Remain. Sorted.Cyclefree said:
It seems to me to be a bit pointless. We end up following rules without having a say in them. That’s not taking back control. In fact, it’s humiliating for a self-respecting country. It’s just a formal version of May kicking her heels in a side room while the EU decided what extension they would grant.Casino_Royale said:
I thought you were up for a CU + SM Brexit?Cyclefree said:
But remaining in the CU while outside the SM is pretty pointless; we get all the downsides and few of the upsides. We may as well Remain.NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Trying to cobble a Brexit deal in panic in 3 weeks is ludicrous. Far better to revoke, participate in the EU elections and take a year, whatever it takes, to work out what we want to do and come up with a realistic well-thought out plan with as much cross-party consensus as possible.0 -
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Can we be ruled by troika?0
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Hello, thank you... up and down, but still in the gameMarqueeMark said:
Greetings. Hope the betting has been kind to you....isam said:0 -
DecrepitJohnL said:
Three candidates -- Gove, Hunt and Lidington -- with none commanding majority support. This coup is a perfect analogy for Brexit.Scott_P said:
Which is why we cannot completely rule out a fourth candidate emerging.
'No Leader'?DecrepitJohnL said:
Three candidates -- Gove, Hunt and Lidington -- with none commanding majority support. This coup is a perfect analogy for Brexit.Scott_P said:
Which is why we cannot completely rule out a fourth candidate emerging.0 -
isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
Quite right. Would be cracking on a pro Brexit anti 2nd ref march though.isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/11094541951643975700 -
I hope they were asked to leave immediately!TheScreamingEagles said:
I was at a Janazah today and there was a milk in firster there.FrancisUrquhart said:Been out, much going on? innocent face.
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So what payback are you expecting to make for the request being fulfilled? From memory in the end the bloke (an undertaker) had to make Sonny Corleone's corpse respectable for his mamma.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...
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Welcome back, great to see you again.isam said:
Thanks, actually I cant complain. Same back to you!MyBurningEars said:
Great to see you! Hope life and work treating you well.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...0 -
Ave it says well done to Mike Robert TSE and others on 15 years!
Be-leave!0 -
Not really true, indicative votes will be free votes and most Labour backbenchers come from Leave seats and would happily vote for BINO, as may even the SNP given over a third of SNP voters voted LeaveAndrew said:IanB2 said:
The ERG will clearly vote against anything (other than no deal) and therefore can, and must, be written off if the crisis is to be solved. That much is obvious.
ERG will vote against any EU relationship short of mining the Channel.
Corbyn will whip against anything the Tories suggest.
Most of Labour backbench and SNP/LDs/Tig will vote against anything that involves leaving.
The DUP will just say no to everything out of habit.
How can anyone pass anything?0 -
Blame the Etonians indeed -- David Cameron, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg.Scott_P said:0 -
Shirley the racist is on 5 live.0
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Ave it confirms that Theresa will sort it out and we will win GE2022!0
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Fair play😌Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/1109581840195698688
Barnier would make a superb PM.0 -
We just have to hope that somewhere between the sensible wings of the two main parties there is some sort of consensus. Politicians' reputations are being trashed and they will want to resolve this too. And whipping's effectiveness is much reduced in both main parties already.Andrew said:IanB2 said:
The ERG will clearly vote against anything (other than no deal) and therefore can, and must, be written off if the crisis is to be solved. That much is obvious.
ERG will vote against any EU relationship short of mining the Channel.
Corbyn will whip against anything the Tories suggest.
Most of Labour backbench and SNP/LDs/Tig will vote against anything that involves leaving.
The DUP will just say no to everything out of habit.
How can anyone pass anything?0 -
Yes.Ishmael_Z said:isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
Quite right. Would be cracking on a pro Brexit anti 2nd ref march though.isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
What really surprised me was the lack of attention paid to the claim that the petition organiser had been guilty of some pretty nasty threatening comments towards Theresa May, as well as talking of modifying weapons to use etc. It was on Guido, so maybe people know it to be overstated, but in the light of the murder of Jo Cox I thought people would be appalled at such behavior rather than following it in gung ho0 -
Baldwin won majorities in 3 general electionsDecrepitJohnL said:
Wrong historical analogy. Brexit is not the Corn Laws redux, it is the one after that: tariff reform. Theresa May is Stanley Baldwin.HYUFD said:Could Lidington be the Robert Peel of his age? Avoids hard Brexit just as Peel ensured Corn Laws Repeal with the support of the opposition but against the majority of his party and just as Peelites then joined with the Whigs to form the Liberals leaving the remaining Tories to move to a protectionist ticket so many Tory Remainers could defect to TIG leaving the remaining Tories to move to a hard Brexit ticket
Tory Party split over tariff reform -- free trade or Imperial preference.
Baldwin called an unnecessary election -- and lost.
Baldwin was accused of putting party before country.
Baldwin spent his holidays taking long walks.
Theresa May is Stanley Baldwin.0 -
Agreed that's settled._Anazina_ said:
Fair play😌Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/1109581840195698688
Barnier would make a superb PM.
Don't tell Shirley the racist
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What have the Estonians done now??Scott_P said:0 -
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"Mrs Georgiadou has faced criticism over posts she allegedly made on social media, using threatening language about the prime minister. She said she had no memory of the posts."isam said:
Yes.Ishmael_Z said:isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
Quite right. Would be cracking on a pro Brexit anti 2nd ref march though.isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
What really surprised me was the lack of attention paid to the claim that the petition organiser had been guilty of some pretty nasty threatening comments towards Theresa May, as well as talking of modifying weapons to use etc. It was on Guido, so maybe people know it to be overstated, but in the light of the murder of Jo Cox I thought people would be appalled at such behavior rather than following it in gung ho
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47678275
That's certainly one way of putting it...I have a feeling if the petition was pro-Brexit the BBC might have provided a bit more detail.0 -
Indeed. And that’s why I challenged you on it for being pointless over the many months (up until now) that you were advocating it.Cyclefree said:
It seems to me to be a bit pointless. We end up following rules without having a say in them. That’s not taking back control. In fact, it’s humiliating for a self-respecting country. It’s just a formal version of May kicking her heels in a side room while the EU decided what extension they would grant.Casino_Royale said:
I thought you were up for a CU + SM Brexit?Cyclefree said:
But remaining in the CU while outside the SM is pretty pointless; we get all the downsides and few of the upsides. We may as well Remain.NickPalmer said:FWIW I have reason to think that Hunt is also open to a deal with Labour, which presumably means customs union.
Trying to cobble a Brexit deal in panic in 3 weeks is ludicrous. Far better to revoke, participate in the EU elections and take a year, whatever it takes, to work out what we want to do and come up with a realistic well-thought out plan with as much cross-party consensus as possible.
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Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.0
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Yes, you are right... "Someday, and that day may never come..."Theuniondivvie said:
So what payback are you expecting to make for fulfilling the request? From memory in the end the bloke (an undertaker) had to make Sonny Corleone's corpse respectable for his mamma.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...
Welcome back.
I hadn't thought about it, hopefully not the same one!
Thanks for the welcome
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Good grief! They really have lost it, haven't they?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.
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Cheers Philip, nice of you to say soPhilip_Thompson said:
Welcome back, great to see you again.isam said:
Thanks, actually I cant complain. Same back to you!MyBurningEars said:
Great to see you! Hope life and work treating you well.isam said:
Yes! A surprise to me too.Sunil_Prasannan said:
isam you're back! Long time, no see!isam said:Getting a referendum, winning it, then being prevented from leaving by a combination of the two major parties is almost too predictable
Its like the scene in The Godfather where Don Corleone cannot refuse a request on the occasion of his daughter's wedding day, the PB equivalent is a 15th anniversary...0 -
Sheila now on 5 live. May brings stability it would be chaos if she goes.0
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Because she was their useful idiot for Malthouse.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.
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Honestly, I wouldn't rule out Grayling at this stage. I wouldn't rule out Uri Geller.dixiedean said:
Good grief! They really have lost it, haven't they?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.
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Clearly they think they have Morgan under their thumb after that awful second Malthouse Compromise. I'm sure reality will evade them again.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.
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Welcome back Isamisam said:
Yes.Ishmael_Z said:isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
Quite right. Would be cracking on a pro Brexit anti 2nd ref march though.isam said:
I really thought that one didn't work. The character in the film was warning the person not to say it again or else, not asking him toScott_P said:
You will need this one for the referendum threads...TheScreamingEagles said:Are there any good photos of posters/banner from the million people march?
The last march produced some decent stuff for pictures for thread headers.
https://twitter.com/RobinSaphra/status/1109454195164397570
What really surprised me was the lack of attention paid to the claim that the petition organiser had been guilty of some pretty nasty threatening comments towards Theresa May, as well as talking of modifying weapons to use etc. It was on Guido, so maybe people know it to be overstated, but in the light of the murder of Jo Cox I thought people would be appalled at such behavior rather than following it in gung ho
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Who?bigjohnowls said:
Agreed that's settled._Anazina_ said:
Fair play😌Richard_Tyndall said:
If we are going to have a foreigner I would rather have Barnier. As I have said on here a number of times before he has played the whole thing with such a straight bat and with a clear sense of honour that I suspect he is a secret fan of our noble game of cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:I keep on banging on that Brexit is the glorious revolution redux.
https://twitter.com/fifimellersh/status/1109581840195698688
Barnier would make a superb PM.
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Their members are Remainian though. And they don't have to vote down brexit, they just have to vote down the soft brexit that all the most pro-brexit people are saying is a sell-out. Would they defy a whip to back the government? Jeremy Corbyn won't back the government, right?HYUFD said:
Not really true, indicative votes will be free votes and most Labour backbenchers come from Leave seats and would happily vote for BINO, as may even the SNP given over a third of SNP voters voted LeaveAndrew said:IanB2 said:
The ERG will clearly vote against anything (other than no deal) and therefore can, and must, be written off if the crisis is to be solved. That much is obvious.
ERG will vote against any EU relationship short of mining the Channel.
Corbyn will whip against anything the Tories suggest.
Most of Labour backbench and SNP/LDs/Tig will vote against anything that involves leaving.
The DUP will just say no to everything out of habit.
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A leader in hock to the ERG doesn't cut the mustard. All of this is to cut them out of the process; a just reward for the role they have played creating this mess.RH1992 said:
Clearly they think they have Morgan under their thumb after that awful second Malthouse Compromise. I'm sure reality will evade them again.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Torygraph suggesting some ERGers touting Nicky Morgan as a 'Unity' candidate.
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