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It's not a stupid rule - it's pretty standard in politics, even humble Labour party branches have it - prevents idiots with bees in their bonnet bringing back the same old boll*cks at every meeting. Or trying to browbeat people into voting for something they don't really think is a good idea just to get the topic to go away.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
Just like May is doing with the WA..
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It is also good for the UK's negotiating position because the EU knows now that the deal is dead unless they offer more. The EU are effectively negotiating now with Bercow as to what constitutes "significant change".Scott_P said:0 -
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Wrong assumption, there at e a lot of us who have opposed the lunacy but realise we cannot remain. People who support leave have made us such a laughing stock we cannot remain in the EU. It is now a question of what type of leave we have to endure with damage limitation. We will probably have to grovel our way back in in 20 years time.GIN1138 said:
Remainers think all roads lead to Remain...Big_G_NorthWales said:
MV3 cannot come back so nothing to amend. Remainers haven't thought it throughScott_P said:
But unless something changes we're leaving the EU in (almost) ten days time with or without a deal...
As I have said many times, there is no mandate for leaving without a deal, and hopefully not even this government with it's tendency to appease thickos will not let it happen. Extension of A50 or a further embarrassment of revocation followed by reissue. It will turn into the Brexit hokey cokey .0 -
Yes but the main motion is dead, so there is nothing to attach an amendment too.williamglenn said:
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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Ha, knew Bercow would act to stop the government getting a third go. Anyone who balked at MV2 on the basis they intended to go for MV3 looking silly. Not sure why theres surprise, he as much as said he'd do this.
Frankly the way Erskine mentions it you could justify bringing anything back if you really wanted but there is that presumption and it is up to the speaker to decide.
No Brexit here we come.0 -
That's what I suggested immediately. This could be helpful to May as if the EU want the deal signing they need to now agree a change rather than just relying on MPs changing their minds.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
They may not want a deal though.0 -
Nope, there are signs of Con/Lab uselessness, and signs of LD activists being motivated by meaningless district council by-elections in the middle of winter.OldKingCole said:
There are, I think, signs of a LD revival.david_herdson said:
Weimar had PR, didn't it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.
What you're seeing in this parliament is a glimpse into what Britain under PR would be like: large parties in hock to small-to-medium-sized fringe ones. The collapse of the Lib Dems means that there isn't a big enough centre.0 -
I believe we got a couple of billion for it.Nigelb said:With the benefit of hindsight, the bailout of RBS might have been more profitably managed....
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A payment processing firm that used to be owned by Royal Bank of Scotland has been sold in a deal worth $43bn (£32bn)...0 -
Popular sing-ist...Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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And all this for an agreement about withdrawing. We have to fo it all agai gor the future relationship.
As my old man would say screw that for a game of soldiers0 -
Correct. The deal is finished.Pulpstar said:
Yes but the main motion is dead, so there is nothing to attach an amendment too.williamglenn said:
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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Can I amend a previous comment? I said MPs were now thought of somewhere between lawyers and child-molesters. I think child-molesters just moved up one place.
Sack 'em all. Start again with a fresh batch.0 -
Exactly. Bercow has paralysed brexit. Both sides seem to be pleased but they have not thought this through.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
Indeed labour now asking how they can put their amendments - panic happening0 -
Who or what surely!Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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James Gray talking utter bollocks on R5L. Speaker is thwarting Brexit, by preventing a vote on this. Something he has voted against twice! (Which played NO part whatsoever in thwarting it obvs).0
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He should not make such decisions to be a remainer hero. But in this case he has more to justify his decision anyway.malcolmg said:
GIN , he will go out a heroGIN1138 said:
Indeed. But it was still unfair the way a Parliament of expenses fiddlers threw him out to try and save their own skins.malcolmg said:
Martin should never have been there in the first place, he was a roaster of the top order, filled his pockets to the brim and did zilch for his constituents.GIN1138 said:If we do somehow finish up going out with No Deal I can see Bercow being thrown to the wolves by Parliament the very next day in the same way Speaker Martin was (rather unfairly) thrown to the wolves over all those dodgy expenses fiddlers...
I think Speaker B is heading for a very similar end.0 -
I see what you mean. Yes, but if the government wan't to bring another meaningful vote it will need to pre-amend its own motion to make it different, so it could go for something like the Kyle amendment.Pulpstar said:
Yes but the main motion is dead, so there is nothing to attach an amendment too.williamglenn said:
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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They won't. Try another idea.Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Or if May is so minded (I don't think she is but....) No Deal.kle4 said:Ha, knew Bercow would act to stop the government getting a third go. Anyone who balked at MV2 on the basis they intended to go for MV3 looking silly. Not sure why theres surprise, he as much as said he'd do this.
Frankly the way Erskine mentions it you could justify bringing anything back if you really wanted but there is that presumption and it is up to the speaker to decide.
No Brexit here we come.0 -
You appear to keep assuming that all leavers are of one opinion, and all leavers are of another.GIN1138 said:
Remainers think all roads lead to Remain...Big_G_NorthWales said:
MV3 cannot come back so nothing to amend. Remainers haven't thought it throughScott_P said:
Which is simply nonsense.0 -
Methinks Prologuing Parliment is the only solution.
Otherwise, Parliment cannot do anything....simple as that.0 -
We could see 'Peak Gammon' very shortly!0
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My take on this is that Bercow is a) enforcing the constitutional rules and b) telling May that if she wants MV3 she needs to be sure she has a majority/or is very close to a majority.
I think he'll allow a vote if she has the numbers.
To be fair it is taking the piss bringing a vote back just to get mullered again.0 -
She didn't want this but she did warn people not to keep voting down her deal. That would take away any part of it being bercows call.bigjohnowls said:Laura Kuenssberg
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This might sound a bit boring but it's massive - minister tells me he's now made this a 'constitutional crisis' - as the law stands we are leaving the EU in ten days - Speaker has just said the PM cant have another go at getting her deal through0 -
Yes. They are a popular singer.OldKingCole said:
Who or what surely!Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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Wouldn’t that require a state opening and Queen’s Speech to kick off the “new” session though?Slackbladder said:Methinks Prologuing Parliment is the only solution.
Otherwise, Parliment cannot do anything....simple as that.0 -
So is a referendumMysticrose said:
Correct. The deal is finished.Pulpstar said:
Yes but the main motion is dead, so there is nothing to attach an amendment too.williamglenn said:
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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We now need to dust off the most arcane bits of parliamentary convention - what's involved in proroguing and starting a new session, and how long does it take?0
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He was a popular singer.TOPPING said:
Yes. They are a popular singer.OldKingCole said:
Who or what surely!Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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Andrea Leadsom boots Bercow0
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I hope it's banned from both bathrooms.Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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Prorogue Parliament to 1 April.Streeter said:
They won't. Try another idea.Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Bercow v Leadsom on BBC Parliament right now is quite entertaining.0
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A singer. Or a "pop singer" if you are the sort of person who still insists on calling the radio "the wireless"Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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And he has rewarded that support today.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, au contraire.
Bercow was at risk of going over bullying allegations, but strong Labour support helped him to Remain.
Lucky for him to actually have some precedent sometime. It's very important when it aligns with what he wants.0 -
The problem (and joy) of our constitution is that our rules are not rules.Fenster said:My take on this is that Bercow is a) enforcing the constitutional rules and b) telling May that if she wants MV3 she needs to be sure she has a majority/or is very close to a majority.
I think he'll allow a vote if she has the numbers.
To be fair it is taking the piss bringing a vote back just to get mullered again.
There is too much power in the hands of the Speaker on this particular subject - particularly when we have a Speaker who chooses to only follow convention when it suits him.
We are living through dangerous times when the Speaker is seeking to be so active in political matters.0 -
Leadsom and Bercow spitting tacks at each othere....0
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I appreciate it might be sensible if Mrs Dickensworth wants it to be party policy to distribute fruit fancies outside Morrisons, but we are talking about the immediate future of our country and in that context it is stupid.anothernick said:
It's not a stupid rule - it's pretty standard in politics, even humble Labour party branches have it - prevents idiots with bees in their bonnet bringing back the same old boll*cks at every meeting. Or trying to browbeat people into voting for something they don't really think is a good idea just to get the topic to go away.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
Just like May is doing with the WA..
No point holding on to one sensible element in a world of madness because it breaks the space-time continuum.0 -
They dont. They want us to remain.Philip_Thompson said:
That's what I suggested immediately. This could be helpful to May as if the EU want the deal signing they need to now agree a change rather than just relying on MPs changing their minds.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
They may not want a deal though.0 -
Bercow's got immense power at the moment, and I think that he might be enjoying wielding it.0
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And how does that help?Philip_Thompson said:
Prorogue Parliament to 1 April.Streeter said:
They won't. Try another idea.Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/parliamentwork/offices-and-ceremonies/overview/prorogation1/prorogation/Richard_Nabavi said:We now need to dust off the most arcane bits of parliamentary convention - what's involved in proroguing and starting a new session, and how long does it take?
In recent decades, when Parliament has met all the year round, the prorogation of one session has usually been followed by the opening of a new session of Parliament a few days later.
Which doesn't help much.
Prorogation is instituted by the Sovereign on the advice of the Privy Council.0 -
no brainer of course - as I said, it will be side letter (ie PD)-dependent.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Exactly as @williamglenn predicted upthread!dixiedean said:James Gray talking utter bollocks on R5L. Speaker is thwarting Brexit, by preventing a vote on this. Something he has voted against twice! (Which played NO part whatsoever in thwarting it obvs).
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Bercow confirms he didn't tell anyone about the content of this statement.0
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Start the new session having Brexited and address how we move on rather than whether to extend/revoke/leave with a deal/leave without a deal. Will end the uncertainty and actually do something.david_herdson said:
And how does that help?Philip_Thompson said:
Prorogue Parliament to 1 April.Streeter said:
They won't. Try another idea.Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Mr. kle4, quite.
Mr. Difficile, maybe he's a berdache?0 -
Silly of John Bercow to make his announcement on a day when all anyone is going to be talking about is Sam Smith's gender identification.0
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Sterling thinks we'll work it all out.0
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That's a problem. It is convention for a QS to contain some government policies.rpjs said:
Wouldn’t that require a state opening and Queen’s Speech to kick off the “new” session though?Slackbladder said:Methinks Prologuing Parliment is the only solution.
Otherwise, Parliment cannot do anything....simple as that.0 -
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If Parliament were prorogued would the Speaker have to be dragged to the chair [ie could he be challenged] at the start of the new session, or does that only happen after elections?0
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I've never heard of him.Nigel_Foremain said:
A singer. Or a "pop singer" if you are the sort of person who still insists on calling the radio "the wireless"Sean_F said:
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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Fantastic news for Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab. It gets both of them off an excruciating hook.0
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Mr Sterling thought the referendum result would be Remain.TOPPING said:Sterling thinks we'll work it all out.
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time for a vote to change the rules then.....to suspends and change the standing orders.0
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Anyone who thinks a Brexit reversal that will lead to a halving of the Tory membership and their vote collapsing on 2nd May is unimportant should note recent history has demonstrated parties don't recover well from the decimation of their activist and councillor base. One of the reasons the Lib Dem revival has not yet occurred.0
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"My government will bring forward the WA, again.... er that's it."dixiedean said:
That's a problem. It is convention for a QS to contain some government policies.rpjs said:
Wouldn’t that require a state opening and Queen’s Speech to kick off the “new” session though?Slackbladder said:Methinks Prologuing Parliment is the only solution.
Otherwise, Parliment cannot do anything....simple as that.0 -
that's also true!Richard_Nabavi said:
Mr Sterling thought the referendum result would be Remain.TOPPING said:Sterling thinks we'll work it all out.
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He has grown on me. Mainly because he seems to wind up some fairly repulsive people on the Tory right I have to confess! That aside, I think history will judge him quite well if it overlooks his alleged bullying.JosiasJessop said:Bercow's got immense power at the moment, and I think that he might be enjoying wielding it.
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Has any parliament ever tied itself up in so many knots as this one ? It's not even all remain way traffic with a blocking majority against the EU-ref and the Benn amendment.0
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It was very distasteful and the way he spoke to her is going to cause great concern among female mps. He is arrogant and has got himself too deeply into controversyScott_P said:0 -
Bercow's little eyes were sparking and he seemed to be enjoying himself. At keast, someone was happy. I can't see the EU changing anything now they have the backwind from the UK Parliament. So why should they?
Instead, they'll force Mrs May to hold another referendum (they have form), and hope for a narrow Remain vote. Relish a neutered UK presence in the EU. Gins all round for Juncker and his pals.
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I think the Government should do the following:
1) Prorogue Parliament until 1 April
2) Failing that, call a GE0 -
Bercow has been clear he is servant of the house. If, and it is not clear they would agree, the house by majority demanded they be allowed to vote on the deal again, and make whatever procedural changes necessary to allow that, how does he then say no given his usual logic?
Not that that seems a very sensible course, messing around like that in a panic rarely helps0 -
I thought it was a Tadcaster brewery ?AlastairMeeks said:Silly of John Bercow to make his announcement on a day when all anyone is going to be talking about is Sam Smith's gender identification.
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That's idiotic (not you Scott). If there's a VONC and May gets brought down, then they wilol get their way. They don't have the numbers full stop....Scott_P said:0 -
Including permanent membership of the customs union would be a significant change.Philip_Thompson said:
That's what I suggested immediately. This could be helpful to May as if the EU want the deal signing they need to now agree a change rather than just relying on MPs changing their minds.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
They may not want a deal though.0 -
? If it was incumbent on approval via Deal vs Remain referendum, I dare say that it would qualify as having been substantially changed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
MV3 cannot come back so nothing to amend. Remainers haven't thought it throughScott_P said:0 -
Honestly, the ERG have shown themselves for months to be total incompetents. Think about the complete fiasco over No Confidence in Theresa May.
They are now desperately clinging to the idea that we will exit on No Deal.
No we won't. The House of Commons has already rejected that option and it will only take an MP to table an emergency measure for revocation or statute.
No Deal is off the table. So is May's deal.0 -
Did nobody wargame this s scenario in no.10? It was raised weeks ago as possible.0
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Fool.Philip_Thompson said:
Prorogue Parliament to 1 April.Streeter said:
They won't. Try another idea.Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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The title of this thread is now somewhat inaccurate.0
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Na, I think we might well have overstayed our welcome. I think many in the EU will happily see the backs of "us", or at least where "us" means the head banging swivel-eyed fraternity that are irrationally convinced of British superiority in all matters.kle4 said:
They dont. They want us to remain.Philip_Thompson said:
That's what I suggested immediately. This could be helpful to May as if the EU want the deal signing they need to now agree a change rather than just relying on MPs changing their minds.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.
They may not want a deal though.0 -
This deal is only the first stage of leaving the EU: the real work begins afterwards. And yet we've proven unable to get even this deal past parliament, and all this farting about will have seriously pissed off the EU. They must be heartily sick of us now.
Even if it now passes by either a bending of parliamentary convention or an EU concession, it does not bode well for the rest of the process: either on our side or the EU's.
A clean start might be the best way out of this mess.0 -
We don't need a referendum to revoke Article 50.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So is a referendumMysticrose said:
Correct. The deal is finished.Pulpstar said:
Yes but the main motion is dead, so there is nothing to attach an amendment too.williamglenn said:
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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Whilst I don't think the Queen will intervene per se, I could see her forcefully advise TM that she's opposed to prorogation as it would draw her into a partisan issue.Nigelb said:
"My government will bring forward the WA, again.... er that's it."dixiedean said:
That's a problem. It is convention for a QS to contain some government policies.rpjs said:
Wouldn’t that require a state opening and Queen’s Speech to kick off the “new” session though?Slackbladder said:Methinks Prologuing Parliment is the only solution.
Otherwise, Parliment cannot do anything....simple as that.0 -
How can history view a bully quite wellNigel_Foremain said:
He has grown on me. Mainly because he seems to wind up some fairly repulsive people on the Tory right I have to confess! That aside, I think history will judge him quite well if it overlooks his alleged bullying.JosiasJessop said:Bercow's got immense power at the moment, and I think that he might be enjoying wielding it.
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I'm starting to think you're right. A clean slate then rebuild from there.JosiasJessop said:This deal is only the first stage of leaving the EU: the real work begins afterwards. And yet we've proven unable to get even this deal past parliament, and all this farting about will have seriously pissed off the EU. They must be heartily sick of us now.
Even if it now passes by either a bending of parliamentary convention or an EU concession, it does not bode well for the rest of the process: either on our side or the EU's.
A clean start might be the best way out of this mess.0 -
Hypothetically, if May asks the Commons to vote on revocation of Article 50 (let's say she gives her party a free vote and they split roughly down the middle), what do Labour do in response?0
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We won't agree what a clean start looks like.JosiasJessop said:A clean start might be the best way out of this mess.
Pre-referendum?
Post vote, pre-article 50?0 -
The alleged bullying that came to light at just the moment it would have been convenient to get him out of the speaker's chair?Nigel_Foremain said:
He has grown on me. Mainly because he seems to wind up some fairly repulsive people on the Tory right I have to confess! That aside, I think history will judge him quite well if it overlooks his alleged bullying.JosiasJessop said:Bercow's got immense power at the moment, and I think that he might be enjoying wielding it.
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Mr G,
"How can history view a bully quite well."
The old ones are the best. "Apart from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"0 -
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Elizabeth Warren: 30/46
Tulsi Gabbard: 34/36
John Hickenlooper: 75/120
Hillary Clinton: 70/85
Julian Castro: 130/170
Michelle Obama: 140/150
Moral of the story: Not very liquid markets have funny oddities.
(All prices to be nominee)0 -
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Didn't we all see this coming last week when Bryant withdrew his amendment?
Well, all of us except the government.0 -
This was of course the reason the amendment on not having a mv3 was pulled. If parliament had voted against that harder for Bercow to make this call0
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Hilarious. Thanks for the best example I have seen in a while of nationalistic paranoia. The interesting thing about nationalism is its mix of superiority and inferiority all wrapped up in one. The cunning furriners are out to get us even through we are much better than they are.CD13 said:Bercow's little eyes were sparking and he seemed to be enjoying himself. At keast, someone was happy. I can't see the EU changing anything now they have the backwind from the UK Parliament. So why should they?
Instead, they'll force Mrs May to hold another referendum (they have form), and hope for a narrow Remain vote. Relish a neutered UK presence in the EU. Gins all round for Juncker and his pals.0
