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The difference is that socialists have implemented socialism and its been a failure, whereas Brexit was implemented by Remainers. Putting Robbins and May in charge of Brexit is like putting Fred Goodwin and Jeffrey Skilling in charge of socialism.
No more cajoling. Take no prisoners.
Vote for my deal on Wednesday or I will take Brexit off for two years.
You mean they cried off.
If only another Brextremist had made it into the final two...
Never, never, never.......
No brainer.
The broadcaster said in December that it would end its decade-long commitment at the end of 2019, during which time Team Sky have won eight Grand Tours.
The team will be renamed Team Ineos - after the chemicals giant that billionaire Ratcliffe owns.
https://twitter.com/nickmacpherson2/status/1107635029285453824
There is a real risk for them here. Let's say May buys off the DUP. Let's say the die-hard ERG number 25. Let's say the number of Labour MPs voting against is 250. Who do Leaver Labour voters blame for Brexit not happening - some soft southern Toff Tory who they've never heard of - or their Labour MP they voted for? That Labour MP said they would implement Brexit. Good luck geting ther vote next time. When "next time" could be really very soon.....
https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1107556893671809026
"The Brits partitioned my country too, you know!"
https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/1105932633639473153?s=19
The fundamental mistake, triggering Article 50 without a plan, was done as a result of intense pressure from Tory leavers who could wait no longer. May turned on the shot clock (to use a basketball analogy) before she had to, purely as a result of the pressure to leave placed on her. Anyone who wanted to do this sensibly would have waited. May's inability to consult didn't help but that character flaw is not a result of her being a remainer before the referendum
For the sake of the Institution, the constitution and the country she needs to stay out of this argument.
She is hardly going to undo a record of not getting involved in political matters by jumping into the single most polarising issue of her reign.
The dire Theresa May gets more despicable. Actually the deal Olly Robbins put together is a decent one on its own terms, given the poor parameters Robbins had to work with. It doesn't give away too much sovereignty in of itself and presents a plausible impression of seriousness. That it will fall apart in a week, if it ever gets passed, entirely reflects the contradictions behind Brexit. The deal will have served its purpose of getting the UK out of the EU and into the unknown.
In fact long before the word backstop entered our discourse even Barnier himself was touting a Canadian-style FTA as honouring all of our red lines.
I should say, for a betting site, that I am not good at predictions in general. The last time I felt so confident about an impending clusterfuck was Iraq. For pretty much the same reasons.
Uk to EU: it’s important that we don’t have a hard border between the republic and Northern Ireland.
EU says: in the absence of a customs agreement we will need to have a border between the frontier of the Eu customs union and the UK’s own customs arrangements.
Ireland and UK: we won’t build one, so what you going to do about it?
EU: it is essential that in the absence of a failure to reach agreement on our future customs agreement to avoid a hard border that we have a ‘backstop’ arrangement that comes in to play which keeps the UK in the EU customs union.
There's nothing in her previous record to suggest she was a burning Eurosceptic. Arguably even her well-publicised issues with the ECHR were a deliberate misdirection.
God help the Right using a terrorist event to take advantage of the situation to score political points and settle grievances. The left would never ever do that.
May repeatedly bringing her deal to Parliament for a vote despite it having been heavily defeated twice, once on the original version and once on the renegotiated one, is democracy in action, despite it looking very much like the EU's hated habit of making people vote again and again until they get the right answer.
The voters being asked their opinion on the proposed WA versus the alternatives is an affront to democracy.
Have I got this right?
Conceding the backstop was a grave error.
The Mouse on the Moon?
Frankly when the General Election comes I don't think it will make a fig of difference to most Labour voters how their MP voted on Brexit.
once article 50 is extended is there any legal way for the government to leave the EU before the end of the extension? or are we then at the behest of the EU
As in right wing demagoguery of the most venal sort.
We could extend for 2 years this week and still be out before the elections if the deal got ratified.
Therefore, those angry at those voting for should approximately equal those angry at voting against.
On your other question, the date change can be made via a statutory instrument so I don't think there's any way the ERG can veto it.
"Jeremy Corbyn hints he could back Leave in second Brexit vote"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-hints-he-could-back-leave-in-second-brexit-vote-kr7vlzdbp
And, even more importantly, an agreement which is bludgeoned through in this way has no real consent. It will be undermined by those who don't really want it the moment after it goes through. The EU know this; they can see the sorts of games both Tories and Labour have been playing and they will take this into account during the transition period - when I fully expect them to make strenuous efforts to persuade industries to relocate to the EU in view of the political climate in Britain - and in relation to the FTA negotiations where they will do everything possible to nail down Britain in a way to prevent us competing with the EU, whether this is on the basis of the Tories' Singapore-on-Thames vision or Corbyn's autarkic socialist vision.
Far better either to get people's consent to it or to revoke Article 50 and think hard about what we really want as a country before taking such important decisions.
However who'd want to make new treaties, including trade deals, with a country that unilaterally breaks other treaties?
Are they down to single figures?
" … the EU themselves who refused to get involved in any discussions until It was invoked and who were openly complaining about the delays."
Indeed they did, but many Leavers were in a hurry too because they feared Parliament would try to fart around for as long as possible to delay Brexit. How right they were.