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Would another vote on a referendum be allowed? Would it be substantially different to the previous vote?Pulpstar said:
What does she go to the EU for an extension FOR though ? Another referendum clearly doesn't have the numbers unless the Gov't whips for, and I can't see that happening.Slackbladder said:
She has no choice now, unless she can 'pull' something out with EU to convice Bercow to allow it,.TOPPING said:Surely she'll jump straight to extension?
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The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.0 -
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Benn setting massive trap for government....0
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Theresa May paying the price for losing her majority: the big winner was The Speaker.0
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This is how Brexit ends.
This is how Brexit ends.
This is how Brexit ends.
Not with a bang, but with a procedural ruling from the Speaker.0 -
Wasn't the main problem that John Prescott was adamantly against it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.0 -
So Bercow refusing any MV3 unless the EU changes the deal. Which they won't.
So we're not getting anything before July... Extention or No deal is ONLY option now.0 -
That sounds like the way twitter enforce their rules...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107672326957662209
LOL basically, i'll do what the f*** i'll want...0 -
Tentative timetable:TOPPING said:
Deal vs Remain. She isn't going to voluntarily have a GE. Crazy as it sounds (given where we are) there are too many unknowns and Jezza back up on the stump would be in his element.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think so. But she needs to make clear what the extension is supposed to be for, which is why I think an election is quite likely. The only other thing an extension could be used for is a referendum, but there's no way the party will accept that, and almost certainly not Labour and therefore parliament either.TOPPING said:Surely she'll jump straight to extension?
MV3 must come somehow and it must be side letter-related.
- May agrees extension on March 21st
- Big People's Vote rally on March 23rd
- May makes MV3 on March 25th a free vote subject to a second referendum0 -
Mogg looking very pensive.0
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The Commons has voted against so many things through this process.. what is left?FrancisUrquhart said:
That sounds like the way twitter enforce their rules...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107672326957662209
LOL basically, i'll do what the f*** i'll want...0 -
Revoke?oxfordsimon said:
The Commons has voted against so many things through this process.. what is left?FrancisUrquhart said:
That sounds like the way twitter enforce their rules...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107672326957662209
LOL basically, i'll do what the f*** i'll want...0 -
Revocation?oxfordsimon said:
The Commons has voted against so many things through this process.. what is left?FrancisUrquhart said:
That sounds like the way twitter enforce their rules...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107672326957662209
LOL basically, i'll do what the f*** i'll want...0 -
So Bercow basically setting himself as sole voice on what brexit is or isn't allowed??
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TM cannot bring back MV3 so all ideas on amendments including a referendum fall as wellwilliamglenn said:
Tentative timetable:TOPPING said:
Deal vs Remain. She isn't going to voluntarily have a GE. Crazy as it sounds (given where we are) there are too many unknowns and Jezza back up on the stump would be in his element.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think so. But she needs to make clear what the extension is supposed to be for, which is why I think an election is quite likely. The only other thing an extension could be used for is a referendum, but there's no way the party will accept that, and almost certainly not Labour and therefore parliament either.TOPPING said:Surely she'll jump straight to extension?
MV3 must come somehow and it must be side letter-related.
- May agrees extension on March 21st
- Big People's Vote rally on March 23rd
- May makes MV3 on March 25th a free vote subject to a second referendum
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- Tory vote collapses on 2nd Maywilliamglenn said:
Tentative timetable:TOPPING said:
Deal vs Remain. She isn't going to voluntarily have a GE. Crazy as it sounds (given where we are) there are too many unknowns and Jezza back up on the stump would be in his element.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think so. But she needs to make clear what the extension is supposed to be for, which is why I think an election is quite likely. The only other thing an extension could be used for is a referendum, but there's no way the party will accept that, and almost certainly not Labour and therefore parliament either.TOPPING said:Surely she'll jump straight to extension?
MV3 must come somehow and it must be side letter-related.
- May agrees extension on March 21st
- Big People's Vote rally on March 23rd
- May makes MV3 on March 25th a free vote subject to a second referendum0 -
Is there any way that No Dealers could at some point filibuster the business of the House until 30th March? Does a variation of the 29th March date need to go through the House to be validated?0
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Because he couldn't spell "PR", right?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't the main problem that John Prescott was adamantly against it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.0 -
That is because he is a knob more interested in the sound of his own voice than respecting Parliament. He isn't a progressive - he is an interventionist who is determined to use the chair for his own ends rather than really working for the benefit of Parliament and voters.Scott_P said:0 -
Seems like it.Richard_Nabavi said:
Revoke?oxfordsimon said:
The Commons has voted against so many things through this process.. what is left?FrancisUrquhart said:
That sounds like the way twitter enforce their rules...Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1107672326957662209
LOL basically, i'll do what the f*** i'll want...0 -
Would be ironic if the government now prorogued Parliament until 1st April starting a new session of Parliament with "so we've left, now what".0
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Perhaps Osborne should have gone away and got to know his electorate.Slackbladder said:https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1107673144704356359
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Why not revocation? Isn't that still a legal option?Slackbladder said:So Bercow refusing any MV3 unless the EU changes the deal. Which they won't.
So we're not getting anything before July... Extention or No deal is ONLY option now.0 -
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How long is the current session of Parliament scheduled to last?0 -
What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !0
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Tom Brake standing? It would be the only memorable thing he's done in a 22 year parliamentary career. Other than not wearing a tiestodge said:Afternoon all
On our friend timmo's "report from a LD insider" (ok) that Tom Brake may stand in the leadership election, fine. I helped in a very small way to get Tom into Parliament in 1997 and he's survived five Conservative attempts to unseat him. He would be a valuable addition to the race and I would certainly like to hear what he has to say.
If MV3 (4,5,6 or whatever) is off the table, the options narrow even further.
So will the EU grant May a long extension? One option might be she would have to revoke A50 now and perhaps in 6-12 months re-start the process with a clearer sense of what we want and what the EU will accept which might mean A50 (2) can be completed in less than 24 months. This is the Clarke/Tusk option.
I can't see the EU granting a long extension without something from the UK and I don't know what conditions might be such that May finds them unacceptable. Forcing a second referendum might be seen to be trampling all over Parliamentary sovereignty.
Taking an EU summit to 28/3 seems wholly unnecessary brinkmanship - if we have to leave without a Deal, so be it otherwise let's take our time, reflect and start the process again in a few months with a much clearer idea of what we want.0 -
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Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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*With a Tory Candidate in Buckingham, no doubtScott_P said:Revoke
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EU says "No"Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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No it can be done by a minister without further reference to the House.MarqueeMark said:Is there any way that No Dealers could at some point filibuster the business of the House until 30th March? Does a variation of the 29th March date need to go through the House to be validated?
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Bercow probably does better than most independents, but not well enough I think.Tissue_Price said:
*With a Tory Candidate in Buckingham, no doubtScott_P said:Revoke
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John never had his proportions under controlEndillion said:
Because he couldn't spell "PR", right?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't the main problem that John Prescott was adamantly against it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.0 -
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MV3 cannot come back so nothing to amend. Remainers haven't thought it throughScott_P said:0 -
Until July.Sean_F said:
How long is the current session of Parliament scheduled to last?0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3PKE8uTSp8Scott_P said:Revoke
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Indeed because of Parliament voting to rule out No Deal. Had Parliament not done that there is no way Bercow would have done this today.Pulpstar said:
EU says "No"Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Bercow certainly knows how to place a cat amongst the feathery beings.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Actually, we and the government and the commentariat should have seen this coming - after all, a number of MPs have been pointing to this convention for a while.0
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If the others stand aside (as per convention) I think it would be very tight. 49% Leave...Pulpstar said:
Bercow probably does better than most independents, but not well enough I think.Tissue_Price said:
*With a Tory Candidate in Buckingham, no doubtScott_P said:Revoke
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No Dealers back VONC and force GE.Norm said:
- Tory vote collapses on 2nd Maywilliamglenn said:
Tentative timetable:TOPPING said:
Deal vs Remain. She isn't going to voluntarily have a GE. Crazy as it sounds (given where we are) there are too many unknowns and Jezza back up on the stump would be in his element.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I think so. But she needs to make clear what the extension is supposed to be for, which is why I think an election is quite likely. The only other thing an extension could be used for is a referendum, but there's no way the party will accept that, and almost certainly not Labour and therefore parliament either.TOPPING said:Surely she'll jump straight to extension?
MV3 must come somehow and it must be side letter-related.
- May agrees extension on March 21st
- Big People's Vote rally on March 23rd
- May makes MV3 on March 25th a free vote subject to a second referendum0 -
We are now in a full blown constitutional crisis.
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Rory is spot on. We are wasting Parliamentary time with this statement. Why not spend every minute between now and 29th March debating and voting to get this thing resolved?Scott_P said:
Surely that is the best use of time.0 -
If there's a GE and the Tories win a majority bercow wouldn't get back in as speaker even if he stood and won in BuckinghamPulpstar said:
Bercow probably does better than most independents, but not well enough I think.Tissue_Price said:
*With a Tory Candidate in Buckingham, no doubtScott_P said:Revoke
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If no majority then it barely matters as we'd either have PM jezza or chaos0 -
Yes. The order to change the exit date has to be confirmed by both houses.MarqueeMark said:Is there any way that No Dealers could at some point filibuster the business of the House until 30th March? Does a variation of the 29th March date need to go through the House to be validated?
I don’t think filibustering is allowed inthe Commons though.0 -
A referendum cannot instruct ParliamentScott_P said:0 -
Remainers think all roads lead to Remain...Big_G_NorthWales said:
MV3 cannot come back so nothing to amend. Remainers haven't thought it throughScott_P said:
But unless something changes we're leaving the EU in (almost) ten days time with or without a deal...0 -
Bercow going out of way to piss off the government now..opening insulting them frankly.0
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A cat isn't the animal that springs to mind. Bercow reminds me more of that old internet meme about "honey badger don't care... honey badger don't give a s---".anothernick said:
Bercow certainly knows how to place a cat amongst the feathery beings.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
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Martin should never have been there in the first place, he was a roaster of the top order, filled his pockets to the brim and did zilch for his constituents.GIN1138 said:If we do somehow finish up going out with No Deal I can see Bercow being thrown to the wolves by Parliament the very next day in the same way Speaker Martin was (rather unfairly) thrown to the wolves over all those dodgy expenses fiddlers...
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Whilst at the same time saying that he is never rude - which he was being in the same breath.Slackbladder said:Bercow going out of way to piss off the government now..opening insulting them frankly.
He really is a knob.0 -
Do not assume that you can make your electoral system prevent an outcome you don't want. Think Labour in Scotland. They thought they'd be in power for ever after they rigged the Holyrood voting system. Then the SNP outflanked them.rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.0 -
Looks like this has stopped any prospect of any amendments so the whole process is paralysed, other than TM obtaining an extension0
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It would have been pulled in any case, this just stops the chicanery dead.rottenborough said:Am I being thick, or has Bercow just got May off the hook from another failed MV vote?
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GE 2019Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks like this has stopped any prospect of any amendments so the whole process is paralysed, other than TM obtaining an extension
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Indeed. But it was still unfair the way a Parliament of expenses fiddlers threw him out to try and save their own skins.malcolmg said:
Martin should never have been there in the first place, he was a roaster of the top order, filled his pockets to the brim and did zilch for his constituents.GIN1138 said:If we do somehow finish up going out with No Deal I can see Bercow being thrown to the wolves by Parliament the very next day in the same way Speaker Martin was (rather unfairly) thrown to the wolves over all those dodgy expenses fiddlers...
I think Speaker B is heading for a very similar end.0 -
With the benefit of hindsight, the bailout of RBS might have been more profitably managed....
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It does look likely now.bigjohnowls said:
GE 2019Big_G_NorthWales said:Looks like this has stopped any prospect of any amendments so the whole process is paralysed, other than TM obtaining an extension
We can have it on the same day as the EU elections, just for LOLZ.0 -
TM is the knob IMOoxfordsimon said:
Whilst at the same time saying that he is never rude - which he was being in the same breath.Slackbladder said:Bercow going out of way to piss off the government now..opening insulting them frankly.
He really is a knob.
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I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.0 -
Potentially, May bringing forward a MV which is substantially different by including something like "subject to a referendum". I can't see it happening but to be honest I've given up predicting what's happening half an hour out from now...TOPPING said:
She gets a shot at keeping her job if she jumps to 4).Scott_P said:Revoke
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What are the ERG going to do? What can they do? VONC the government? Perhaps so but then we get GE anyway.
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I have no idea how realistic it was but it was mooted that the 1922 Committee could change the rules on challenging the PM and so bring forward another leadership challenge.TOPPING said:
She gets a shot at keeping her job if she jumps to 4).Scott_P said:Revoke
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What are the ERG going to do? What can they do? VONC the government? Perhaps so but then we get GE anyway.
What is the procedure for a second referendum?0 -
On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....0
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I think we do need a GE. This House of Commons can agree nothing.TOPPING said:
She gets a shot at keeping her job if she jumps to 4).Scott_P said:Revoke
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What are the ERG going to do? What can they do? VONC the government? Perhaps so but then we get GE anyway.
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As if you'd give two shits about Jezza the clown 'abusing' Parliament.bigjohnowls said:
TM is the knob IMOoxfordsimon said:
Whilst at the same time saying that he is never rude - which he was being in the same breath.Slackbladder said:Bercow going out of way to piss off the government now..opening insulting them frankly.
He really is a knob.
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Does this matter?
MV3 was going to fail anyway.
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You're basically saying that if Parliament hadn't taken control, it wouldn't have taken control.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed because of Parliament voting to rule out No Deal. Had Parliament not done that there is no way Bercow would have done this today.Pulpstar said:
EU says "No"Philip_Thompson said:
Amend the deal.Pulpstar said:What does May go to the EU with ? What on earth does she say now !
But that is what happens when a government doesn't command a parliamentary majority.0 -
Weimar had PR, didn't it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.
What you're seeing in this parliament is a glimpse into what Britain under PR would be like: large parties in hock to small-to-medium-sized fringe ones. The collapse of the Lib Dems means that there isn't a big enough centre.0 -
Mr. Gin, au contraire.
Bercow was at risk of going over bullying allegations, but strong Labour support helped him to Remain.0 -
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.0 -
Seems like the penny might, again be dropping this is not helpful to the ERG.0
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.... and this period, the end-game of Brexit, was exactly why. It wasn't remotely hidden, he'd have been booted out long before now otherwise.Morris_Dancer said:
Bercow was at risk of going over bullying allegations, but strong Labour support helped him to Remain.
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There are, I think, signs of a LD revival.david_herdson said:
Weimar had PR, didn't it?rural_voter said:
The way around that is a suitable form of PR. It provides a barrier to extremism even if the speaker is partisan, i.e. it's a further check on the executive.rpjs said:
I doubt you'd think it pointless if the Corbyn administration saw the Socialism (Red in Tooth and Claw) Bill just fail its third reading.oxfordsimon said:
He himself just explained why MV2 did not fall foul of this rather pointless conventionrpjs said:
I'd say if anything Bercow was partisanly in favour of the government by allowing MV2 in the first (second?) place.Sean_F said:
Bercow adheres to convention, and changes convention, as it suits his purposes._Anazina_ said:
You would have hoped the government would have been abreast of this convention. But, these days, no level of abject incompetence surprises me.Scott_P said:
One thing ought to be clear. The Speakership is now a partisan role.
Brussels has PR, Whitehall doesn't.
Blair ditched the Jenkins report, setting out how to implement PR here, when he saw the size of his majority. The other main UK party has never been interested although Hannan supports PR.
What you're seeing in this parliament is a glimpse into what Britain under PR would be like: large parties in hock to small-to-medium-sized fringe ones. The collapse of the Lib Dems means that there isn't a big enough centre.0 -
Sir Robert Syms
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Mr. Herdson, quite. PR is the work of Satan.0
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I actually thought the biggest news of today was BA's new business class seats... or in TSE's the new ipad or in SeanT's case the porn filtering stuff....Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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It matters in so far as there is no deal in place and we leave in 11 days, unless TM obtains an extension later this week, with no deal at which point the blame will fall on BercowAlasdair said:Does this matter?
MV3 was going to fail anyway.0 -
The Bercow announcement has shifted the Betfair market and is still doing so (though I think there's still value there). Current buy/sell odds of:
March 29 and before: 3.3 / 4.3
March 30 and after: 1.32. / 1.470 -
The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.0
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I think you are right to say he has to enforce it. The problem is that he has chosen not to enforce it on other occasions.TOPPING said:
It's a stupid rule but it is there in black and white so he has a duty to enforce it.TrèsDifficile said:I think "Bercow" might soon become a verb.
I'm not sure if it'll be defined by what he's done to Brexit, or by what gets done to him.
The "if only I'd known" group will now reflect on what their least worst option is. I can't for the life of me think what it is, that said.
But here is my prediction - May will come on to our screens, say nothing has changed and that work is ongoing to arrive at an agreement with the EU that will a) satisfy the ERG and DUP; and b) fulfil Bercow's requirement for the deal substantially to have changed.0 -
What was that earlier about Jezza intimating he would vote Leave in a 2nd referendum? If so there will be a lot of political orphans come polling day.Sean_F said:
I think we do need a GE. This House of Commons can agree nothing.TOPPING said:
She gets a shot at keeping her job if she jumps to 4).Scott_P said:Revoke
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What are the ERG going to do? What can they do? VONC the government? Perhaps so but then we get GE anyway.
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This might sound a bit boring but it's massive - minister tells me he's now made this a 'constitutional crisis' - as the law stands we are leaving the EU in ten days - Speaker has just said the PM cant have another go at getting her deal through0 -
Who is Sam Smith?Nigel_Foremain said:On a far more important note, Sam Smith has said he is neither man nor woman. This is in spite of his beard and hairy chest certainly giving him the appearance of one of the two "traditional" gender identities. Still if he wants to be called "Loretta", then we will fight the oppressors for his right....
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We all really ought to have seen this coming. Plenty of people raised it as a possibility. The convention was always there.
Everyone simply psychologically shrugged it off.
As if we wanted to pretend it wasn't there.
There is not a majority for leaving the EU in Parliament.0 -
GIN , he will go out a heroGIN1138 said:
Indeed. But it was still unfair the way a Parliament of expenses fiddlers threw him out to try and save their own skins.malcolmg said:
Martin should never have been there in the first place, he was a roaster of the top order, filled his pockets to the brim and did zilch for his constituents.GIN1138 said:If we do somehow finish up going out with No Deal I can see Bercow being thrown to the wolves by Parliament the very next day in the same way Speaker Martin was (rather unfairly) thrown to the wolves over all those dodgy expenses fiddlers...
I think Speaker B is heading for a very similar end.0 -
It isn't because isn't substantially different to the TIG amendment.Pulpstar said:The Kyle Amendment (Pass MV subject to a referendum), as others have noted downthread, is DEAD too now.
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Folks at Spectator seemed to think there was a plan already if MV3 failed for MV4 at the point May came back from EU summit with "its this or a 2 year delay - fancy another go"Big_G_NorthWales said:
It matters in so far as there is no deal in place and we leave in 11 days, unless TM obtains an extension later this week, with no deal at which point the blame will fall on BercowAlasdair said:Does this matter?
MV3 was going to fail anyway.0
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