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A lot of very senior people in 2019 too. Where do people think all those worldwide missing children actually are and who is behind it? Notice the increase in human trafficking convictions lately?Richard_Nabavi said:
A lot of people in 1979. It was regarded completely differently and as not particularly serious if the victims were boys,Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
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One thing that gets missed a lot is that Scottish tories were elected on a different campaign than in England. The leaflets I posted did not mention brexit but were all on the union and Ruth Davidson. The right wing erg style tories in Scotland are the ones who risk deselection not Mundell who is basically untouchable. If he goes then the tories risk losing the Scottish Tory party entirely.0
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I'd put them both inside with the sex offenders.kle4 said:
Theyd deserve each other. Despicable individuals.MarqueeMark said:
Farage can have a joint trial with Grieve.....TheScreamingEagles said:Mike we need to do a thread on Nigel Farage’s treason.
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1105920444555776001?s=21
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Morning all
After yesterday's nonsense, interesting to see the more reflective mood of the morning from some. I saw part of the Ken Clarke interview on Sky - revocation followed by "another go" at A50 somewhere down the line. Maybe but where's the accountability for the last three wasted years? I also suspect the notion of having A50 hanging round like a bad smell isn't going to find favour with the EU either.
We are 15 days from exiting without a Deal - the ERG are on the cusp of a victory of sorts as Cyclefree opined on the previous thread. The EU will have to decide what kind of extension we are going to get and I see a convergence between Clarke and Tusk around either revocation and a new application or a long extension of the existing A50 application.
That might be the sensible approach but the political impact of this in the UK are much harder to gauge. To leave without leaving is going to cause a lot of people in the UK a lot of problems.0 -
Back in 1987, I was warned by a Conservative agent never to be on my own with Peter Morrison.rural_voter said:
The rumours and allegations were reported long ago in Gyles Brandreth's diaries. In 1991, Brandreth's constituents alleged to him that Morrison was 'a disgusting pervert' who was 'into little boys'. It couldn't be clearer could it? I assume this would have been edited out, had Morrison not died before the diaries were published.TheWhiteRabbit said:
it's about to be. How many more escaped scrutiny?another_richard said:
I'm surprised that's never become a bigger scandal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did Thatcher apparently.Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
Seriously
Margaret Thatcher personally protected a senior Conservative MP who was under suspicion of abusing children, according to MI5 files disclosed to a public inquiry.
Sir Peter Morrison featured in a series of internal Security Service memos written during 1986-87 about his alleged “interest in small boys”.
Despite MI5’s concerns — which were primarily about any risk to national security rather than the welfare of children — the MP for Chester served as a junior minister, then Tory party deputy chairman and eventually Mrs Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary.
Five documents about Morrison, who died in 1995, were found in MI5 files during a trawl of archives for information relevant to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c1bad844-4450-11e9-bfd2-5b366418ffd1
Hopefully it is not too late to get at least a rough picture of whether (how many) of these people were actually paedophiles.0 -
Listening to the broadcast media this morning there does seem to be a coming together between conservative and labour mps around a Norway style brexit but in all the discussions a referendum seems to be disappearing from view0
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This would go down well...
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/03/14/business/britain-eyes-brexit-no-deal-trade-shift-china-eu/
Britain’s shift of attention to China is most vividly displayed by the complete elimination of tariffs on its massive aluminum and steel mills.
The benefits would also stretch to big metals producer Russia — a potentially sensitive issue considering the chilly state of London’s affairs with Moscow.
U.K. steel producers would suffer in manufacturing cities that voted for Brexit and disproportionately feel the impact of the new trade approach....0 -
Not perfect, but I think it holds up OK, in December 2017, I wrote....edmundintokyo said:
She's impossible to read bit I think it's entirely possible that she knows exactly what she's doing. Remorselessly pushing every stupid thing that's demanded of her to its remorselessly stupid conclusion, then stretching out the moment of every failure until everyone can see how badly it's failed and how it couldn't possibly have worked. Meanwhile her party is still mostly intact, Labour is still at war, and her internal enemies look more ridiculous by the day.CD13 said:Could Mrs May be an accidental Lt Columbo? Accidental in that she really doesn't know what she's doing, but stumbles on the only way out of this impasse?
Her treaty passes, the EU acts in good faith and she is the heroine of the decade. The sun shines, and the flying pigs supply shade.
However this is obviously all reliant on her having a non-catastrophic endgame...
Let's step back a moment. We are saying that long standing, senior politicians are all incompetent fools. We knew about Boris and Fox's limitations, but TMay and Davis came in with some degree of reputation. Epigoni, perhaps, but not knowing that the DUP would scupper Monday's deal, I don't quite buy that.
Remember, a couple weeks ago TMay got an exiting payment of 50bn past cabinet and party with barely a murmer of dissent. Think about that - had that looked remotely possible? It's a lot of money, a loss, but, in terms of political squaring, what an achievement!
To me, May be is playing Brexit rather like Brucie ran Play Your Cards Right, his most formulaic and, for that very reason, one of his best loved shows. She adopts a sequence of ridiculous poses and catchphrases, to the pleasure of the different wings of her party, just long enough for everyone to see that they are ridiculous, before moving on to an inevitable end game. Thus she has postured on citizens rights, never a red line, yet made a 50bn exit, always a red line, possible.
Of course, the election wasn't part of this plan, but it was a risque event that brought a newlywed's honeymoon to an excruciating end, thus introducing the current show.
So, we are along the first row of the star prize board, cards offset in a shape that, if you squint, resembles Ireland. The catchphrases and postures keep coming as Brucie May steers her contestants to the end of the board. Two of the three barriers are surmounted as the end titles approach, but, of course, this is not a case of 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Will they win or will it be: you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game.0 -
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Daily Mail front page - "with the Prime Minister's authority in tatters..."
Would never have happened under the previous editor.
Although, I do hope those who have been hypocritical in their voting - telling their voters they would implement Brexit, voting for Article 50 and then blocking it - have a squeaky clean back story. Cuz I have a feeling the Mail is going to be having some fun gunning for them.....0 -
The question on the ballot asked if we wanted to leave the EU. A very soft Brexit satisfies this more than a second referendum or a massively long extension.Big_G_NorthWales said:Listening to the broadcast media this morning there does seem to be a coming together between conservative and labour mps around a Norway style brexit but in all the discussions a referendum seems to be disappearing from view
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I think if it isn't May's deal then a Norway deal does seem likely. 2nd referendum and No deal appear to be getting less likely by the day as neither really represent a compromise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Listening to the broadcast media this morning there does seem to be a coming together between conservative and labour mps around a Norway style brexit but in all the discussions a referendum seems to be disappearing from view
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I'd completely forgotten about him.SandyRentool said:Sky News: Beto running or Pres
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"Ow's 'er reputation?"Pro_Rata said:
Not perfect, but I think it holds up OK, in December 2017, I wrote....edmundintokyo said:
She's impossible to read bit I think it's entirely possible that she knows exactly what she's doing. Remorselessly pushing every stupid thing that's demanded of her to its remorselessly stupid conclusion, then stretching out the moment of every failure until everyone can see how badly it's failed and how it couldn't possibly have worked. Meanwhile her party is still mostly intact, Labour is still at war, and her internal enemies look more ridiculous by the day.CD13 said:Could Mrs May be an accidental Lt Columbo? Accidental in that she really doesn't know what she's doing, but stumbles on the only way out of this impasse?
Her treaty passes, the EU acts in good faith and she is the heroine of the decade. The sun shines, and the flying pigs supply shade.
However this is obviously all reliant on her having a non-catastrophic endgame...
Let's step back a moment. We are saying that long standing, senior politicians are all incompetent fools. We knew about Boris and Fox's limitations, but TMay and Davis came in with some degree of reputation. Epigoni, perhaps, but not knowing that the DUP would scupper Monday's deal, I don't quite buy that.
Remember, a couple weeks ago TMay got an exiting payment of 50bn past cabinet and party with barely a murmer of dissent. Think about that - had that looked remotely possible? It's a lot of money, a loss, but, in terms of political squaring, what an achievement!
To me, May be is playing Brexit rather like Brucie ran Play Your Cards Right, his most formulaic and, for that very reason, one of his best loved shows. She adopts a sequence of ridiculous poses and catchphrases, to the pleasure of the different wings of her party, just long enough for everyone to see that they are ridiculous, before moving on to an inevitable end game. Thus she has postured on citizens rights, never a red line, yet made a 50bn exit, always a red line, possible.
Of course, the election wasn't part of this plan, but it was a risque event that brought a newlywed's honeymoon to an excruciating end, thus introducing the current show.
So, we are along the first row of the star prize board, cards offset in a shape that, if you squint, resembles Ireland. The catchphrases and postures keep coming as Brucie May steers her contestants to the end of the board. Two of the three barriers are surmounted as the end titles approach, but, of course, this is not a case of 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Will they win or will it be: you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game.
"Lower, lower!"
"Higher, higher!"0 -
Another one to try and be the one Trump crushes. LolSandyRentool said:Sky News: Beto running or Pres
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Yup, our parents warned me and my brother to stay away from certain localnpeople who were known/suspected as kiddy-fiddlers but it was pretty strongly implied that if we ignored those warnings and got abused, it’d be our own fault.anothernick said:
Exactly. There were all sorts of rumours about all sorts of people but it was not seen as a very serious issue. Jokes about priests and choirboys were commonplace, the idea that there was a massive cover-up is misplaced, everyone knew it went on but it was not deliberately covered up, it was just not seen as worthy of much attention unless it was particularly egregious. The modern contention that this kind of abuse has a permanent, lifetime impact would not have been given much credence.Richard_Nabavi said:
A lot of people in 1979. It was regarded completely differently and as not particularly serious if the victims were boys,Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
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Except, "Norway" is a really shit outcome. What's the Article 50-equivalent of getting out of it?Big_G_NorthWales said:Listening to the broadcast media this morning there does seem to be a coming together between conservative and labour mps around a Norway style brexit but in all the discussions a referendum seems to be disappearing from view
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-domaindev-st_emea&hsimp=yhs-st_emea&hspart=domaindev&p=yuou+tube+leg+over+with+johnson+and+aggers#id=5&vid=d22abe5f245bfcc3d4ada4f564fe9726&action=viewRoger said:
Yes. I keep thinking about the two years we couldn't be told anything because it would give away our negotiating position.........and then bursting into uncontrollable laughter.AlastairMeeks said:It's awful and a national fiasco.
But I have to admit there are aspects of all of this that are very funny indeed.0 -
God help anyone who dares to cross the true believers.Brom said:
Spurs fans think he's rubbish. Not the sharpest tool either!Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:0 -
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God help anyone who dares to cross the true believers.Brom said:
Spurs fans think he's rubbish. Not the sharpest tool either!Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:0 -
Mueller should be reporting soon, I wonder if there's anything juicy on Farage et al.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike we need to do a thread on Nigel Farage’s treason.
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1105920444555776001?s=21
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1105922344672026629?s=21
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/nigel-farages-name-keeps-coming-up-in-the-robert-mueller-probe0 -
A certain crazy Hollywod gossip column has printed lots of 'blind' stories of people trafficking over the last decade, most of which read like mad conspiracy theories but several have been vindicated by subsequent events.dyedwoolie said:
A lot of very senior people in 2019 too. Where do people think all those worldwide missing children actually are and who is behind it? Notice the increase in human trafficking convictions lately?Richard_Nabavi said:
A lot of people in 1979. It was regarded completely differently and as not particularly serious if the victims were boys,Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
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Bloody Sunday: One soldier charged with two murders and four attempted murders.SandyRentool said:Sky News: Beto running or Pres
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If that's treason I'm pretty sure there's a lot of guilty British MPs. Keir Starmer springs to mind for his 'secret meetings'.logical_song said:
Mueller should be reporting soon, I wonder if there's anything juicy on Farage et al.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike we need to do a thread on Nigel Farage’s treason.
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1105920444555776001?s=21
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1105922344672026629?s=21
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/nigel-farages-name-keeps-coming-up-in-the-robert-mueller-probe0 -
Labour need to ditch a second EU vote and get behind the Norway option .
If Norway is sold properly it could get a majority of the public behind it.
I’m a Remainer but would feel more comfortable with this as it leaves the political institutions of the EU.
It’s a version of Brexit that has quite a lot for Leavers but still leaves a few crumbs for Remainers .0 -
Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.0 -
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"The MP also said he had visited Auschwitz last year on a trip with the Holocaust Educational Trust."Floater said:
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In boarding schools, sexual abuse was considered to be character-forming. Or people would simply take the view that the Greeks and Romans did it, so it must be okay.CD13 said:Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.0 -
Norway would struggle to get a majority of Leavers behind it, which is ultimately why it’s untenable. It’s only a neat solution on paper.nico67 said:Labour need to ditch a second EU vote and get behind the Norway option .
If Norway is sold properly it could get a majority of the public behind it.
I’m a Remainer but would feel more comfortable with this as it leaves the political institutions of the EU.
It’s a version of Brexit that has quite a lot for Leavers but still leaves a few crumbs for Remainers .0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47540271CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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Quite. There's an awful lot of crap going on that is covered up because of the status of the perps.Sandpit said:
A certain crazy Hollywod gossip column has printed lots of 'blind' stories of people trafficking over the last decade, most of which read like mad conspiracy theories but several have been vindicated by subsequent events.dyedwoolie said:
A lot of very senior people in 2019 too. Where do people think all those worldwide missing children actually are and who is behind it? Notice the increase in human trafficking convictions lately?Richard_Nabavi said:
A lot of people in 1979. It was regarded completely differently and as not particularly serious if the victims were boys,Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
Seriously
But in the accepted world Jeffrey Epstein didn't have interesting people on his island, the trafficking problem is 'third world', nothing unspeakable happened in Haiti and nobody knows what happened to Maddie0 -
I was at public school, there were some right nonces in gowns pretending to be teachersSean_F said:
In boarding schools, sexual abuse was considered to be character-forming. Or people would simply take the view that the Greeks and Romans did it, so it must be okay.CD13 said:Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.0 -
Every outstanding IRA (And other republican and loyalist paramilitary) killing needs to be properly investigated, prosecuted and all amnesties removed if prosecutions take place here.CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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It being the gamble is not entirely absurd, but it was too unpopular with too many right from the start to work, to the point most people don't even seem to think MV3, if it happens, will be enough and they'll need MV4 to see it through. Even now it's still mostly off the record hints that group x might soften, which is code for 'they won't'. Which only rightly encourages remainers to say 'fine, no brexit at all then'. May is risking far too much on this gamble.CarlottaVance said:0 -
But Bloody Sunday pre-dated many of these, no?Pulpstar said:
Every outstanding IRA (And other republican and loyalist paramilitary) killing needs to be properly investigated, prosecuted and all amnesties removed if prosecutions take place here.CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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To some but not others. Consensus is the name of the game and the HOC seems to be trying to brexit and stop no deal and another referendumMarqueeMark said:
Except, "Norway" is a really shit outcome. What's the Article 50-equivalent of getting out of it?Big_G_NorthWales said:Listening to the broadcast media this morning there does seem to be a coming together between conservative and labour mps around a Norway style brexit but in all the discussions a referendum seems to be disappearing from view
That would be the sensible result0 -
Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties0 -
Zero chance of 3 or 4 all English ties....TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties0 -
D and e are zero wingnutTheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties0 -
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The same as if Dele did so for Andrew Bridgen?TheScreamingEagles said:
How would you react if Harry Kane backed Mark Francois for Tory leader ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:0 -
Mine was a day school, but looking back, there were some dodgy teachers.dyedwoolie said:
I was at public school, there were some right nonces in gowns pretending to be teachersSean_F said:
In boarding schools, sexual abuse was considered to be character-forming. Or people would simply take the view that the Greeks and Romans did it, so it must be okay.CD13 said:Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.
We had a French teacher who liked smacking boys' bottoms; a sports teacher who would enforce a rule that no one was to wear underwear under their shorts, and carry out checks from time to time; a Latin teacher who took a real shine to a very pretty boy in class, put him on his knee, and recited Latin homosexual love poetry to him; and a music teacher whose disappearance, after being reported for molesting a boy, has never been solved in 41 years. They found his car abandoned in the Bois de Bolougne.0 -
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Agreed. Which is why none of them should be. Ireland has enough history to worry about without dragging up the past for sport. Every peace process involves a putting aside of past atrocities on both sides, which is what the early releases were about in NI, among other things. That principle should be kept here too. Certainly, that will upset some victims' families but I'm afraid that sometimes peace demands that.Pulpstar said:
Every outstanding IRA (And other republican and loyalist paramilitary) killing needs to be properly investigated, prosecuted and all amnesties removed if prosecutions take place here.CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1106133597411594245?s=200 -
The Public Prosecution Service said on Thursday there was enough evidence to prosecute Soldier F for the murders of James Wray and William McKinney.
The soldier will also face charges for the attempted murders of Joseph Friel, Michael Quinn, Joe Mahon and Patrick O'Donnell.
Thirteen people were shot dead at a civil rights march on 30 January 1972.
The PPS said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute 16 other soldiers and two Official IRA men.
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Curious as to why the DUP has not used its clout to demand an amnesty?Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47540271CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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Not much discussion here on today's vote for extending. Is it taken for granted? Short or long extension?
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It's certainly character forming, though not in the way these people imagine.Sean_F said:
In boarding schools, sexual abuse was considered to be character-forming. Or people would simply take the view that the Greeks and Romans did it, so it must be okay.CD13 said:Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.0 -
Burn your season ticket and start supporting Arsenal?Scrapheap_as_was said:
The same as if Dele did so for Andrew Bridgen?TheScreamingEagles said:
How would you react if Harry Kane backed Mark Francois for Tory leader ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:0 -
Apart from the obvious on d and e, there's some stats here:TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
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Kenneth Clarke's position is perfectly reasonable. He has rightly voted for TMs deal - even though it is far from perfect for him - and others have thwarted it - very foolishly to my mind. It is perfectly reasonable for him to consider other options.stodge said:Morning all
After yesterday's nonsense, interesting to see the more reflective mood of the morning from some. I saw part of the Ken Clarke interview on Sky - revocation followed by "another go" at A50 somewhere down the line. Maybe but where's the accountability for the last three wasted years? I also suspect the notion of having A50 hanging round like a bad smell isn't going to find favour with the EU either.
We are 15 days from exiting without a Deal - the ERG are on the cusp of a victory of sorts as Cyclefree opined on the previous thread. The EU will have to decide what kind of extension we are going to get and I see a convergence between Clarke and Tusk around either revocation and a new application or a long extension of the existing A50 application.
That might be the sensible approach but the political impact of this in the UK are much harder to gauge. To leave without leaving is going to cause a lot of people in the UK a lot of problems.
It is still far from clear what Labour want exactly in place of TMs deal, and, given that No Deal is unacceptable to most people, business and commerce s well as parliament, it is very unclear what sort of acceptable deal the strong Brexiteers actually want. TM may not have managed this as well as she should, but she and Kenneth Clarke at least hold positions which are logically and practically possible, unlike lots of other people.
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I'm not Sol.TheScreamingEagles said:
Burn your season ticket and start supporting Arsenal?Scrapheap_as_was said:
The same as if Dele did so for Andrew Bridgen?TheScreamingEagles said:
How would you react if Harry Kane backed Mark Francois for Tory leader ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:0 -
You don't need a majority of leavers; you need a majority of the population, ideally. In truth, you just need a majority of MPs.williamglenn said:
Norway would struggle to get a majority of Leavers behind it, which is ultimately why it’s untenable. It’s only a neat solution on paper.nico67 said:Labour need to ditch a second EU vote and get behind the Norway option .
If Norway is sold properly it could get a majority of the public behind it.
I’m a Remainer but would feel more comfortable with this as it leaves the political institutions of the EU.
It’s a version of Brexit that has quite a lot for Leavers but still leaves a few crumbs for Remainers .
But I do think there's a shift in public mood taking place, to the extent that the hardcore Brexiteers are overplaying their hand and if they don't accept Yes for an answer, the validity of their mandate comes into question.0 -
Yeah I’m tired plus I drank some Pepsi last night in one of those massive German glasses.MarqueeMark said:
Zero chance of 3 or 4 all English ties....TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties0 -
Thanks.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Apart from the obvious on d and e, there's some stats here:TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
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Or indeed girls if not too young, viz Savile.Richard_Nabavi said:
A lot of people in 1979. It was regarded completely differently and as not particularly serious if the victims were boys,Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
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I don't think there's much chance of no extension being asked for. And given a short one really only keeps revoke, no deal or deal on the table, I expect it to be a longer one.geoffw said:Not much discussion here on today's vote for extending. Is it taken for granted? Short or long extension?
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Mine was day and boarding. I was a day pupil. We had similar 'characters' plus s female klepto English mistress. And PE master who liked go make us run round the playground in our underpants. Then there were the shower 'checks'Sean_F said:
Mine was a day school, but looking back, there were some dodgy teachers.dyedwoolie said:
I was at public school, there were some right nonces in gowns pretending to be teachersSean_F said:
In boarding schools, sexual abuse was considered to be character-forming. Or people would simply take the view that the Greeks and Romans did it, so it must be okay.CD13 said:Mr kle4,
"Makes it sound like modern society is just over sensitive!"
It's just that the poshos have caught up with the attitude of the masses, who always despised kiddy-fiddlers. Their attitude was always uncompromising. The posho attitude was put down to them not having the benefit of going to a state school.
We had a French teacher who liked smacking boys' bottoms; a sports teacher who would enforce a rule that no one was to wear underwear under their shorts, and carry out checks from time to time; a Latin teacher who took a real shine to a very pretty boy in class, put him on his knee, and recited Latin homosexual love poetry to him; and a music teacher whose disappearance, after being reported for molesting a boy, has never been solved in 41 years. They found his car abandoned in the Bois de Bolougne.0 -
Tsk, didn't they teach you maths at private school?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah I’m tired plus I drank some Pepsi last night in one of those massive German glasses.MarqueeMark said:
Zero chance of 3 or 4 all English ties....TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties0 -
You wish you were Sol.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm not Sol.TheScreamingEagles said:
Burn your season ticket and start supporting Arsenal?Scrapheap_as_was said:
The same as if Dele did so for Andrew Bridgen?TheScreamingEagles said:
How would you react if Harry Kane backed Mark Francois for Tory leader ?Scrapheap_as_was said:
He needs to focus on actually getting Spurs back in to Europe....williamglenn said:
With Andy Robertson suspended for the first leg of the QF we’re going to draw Juve.
Watch Ronaldo murder Alberto Moreno in the first leg.0 -
I that was the whole price of the peace process, that many people would be denied justice but it was necessary for peace.david_herdson said:
Agreed. Which is why none of them should be. Ireland has enough history to worry about without dragging up the past for sport. Every peace process involves a putting aside of past atrocities on both sides, which is what the early releases were about in NI, among other things. That principle should be kept here too. Certainly, that will upset some victims' families but I'm afraid that sometimes peace demands that.Pulpstar said:
Every outstanding IRA (And other republican and loyalist paramilitary) killing needs to be properly investigated, prosecuted and all amnesties removed if prosecutions take place here.CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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Running, I think.SandyRentool said:Sky News: Beto running or Pres
Pres unlikely...0 -
More idiocy you mean? Quite rightTheScreamingEagles said:Expect more of this
https://twitter.com/georgefreemanmp/status/1106129342596292610?s=21
In fairness it is not completely dumb, but it is another thing people have been saying since December.0 -
A decision which will likely satisfy nobody.Sunil_Prasannan said:The Public Prosecution Service said on Thursday there was enough evidence to prosecute Soldier F for the murders of James Wray and William McKinney.
The soldier will also face charges for the attempted murders of Joseph Friel, Michael Quinn, Joe Mahon and Patrick O'Donnell.
Thirteen people were shot dead at a civil rights march on 30 January 1972.
The PPS said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute 16 other soldiers and two Official IRA men.
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It's not going to be your D or E options, there's only four English teams and a tie involves two of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
From Gracenote statistician on BBC website:
What are the chances of an all-English quarter-final?
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Gracenote
There are 105 possible scenarios for the Champions League draw - at 11:00 GMT on Friday - which will also determine the semi-final line-ups.
Nine out of those 105 scenarios involve the four English clubs all being drawn against each other - an 8.6% chance.
Out of the total possible draws, 72 scenarios have exactly one all-English tie - that's 66.6%.
Therefore, the chance of all four English clubs avoiding each other in the quarter final draw is 22.9%.
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So do I. There was a big shift towards supporting the WA among Leave voters in YouGov's latest poll.david_herdson said:
You don't need a majority of leavers; you need a majority of the population, ideally. In truth, you just need a majority of MPs.williamglenn said:
Norway would struggle to get a majority of Leavers behind it, which is ultimately why it’s untenable. It’s only a neat solution on paper.nico67 said:Labour need to ditch a second EU vote and get behind the Norway option .
If Norway is sold properly it could get a majority of the public behind it.
I’m a Remainer but would feel more comfortable with this as it leaves the political institutions of the EU.
It’s a version of Brexit that has quite a lot for Leavers but still leaves a few crumbs for Remainers .
But I do think there's a shift in public mood taking place, to the extent that the hardcore Brexiteers are overplaying their hand and if they don't accept Yes for an answer, the validity of their mandate comes into question.0 -
Correct.dyedwoolie said:
D and e are zero wingnutTheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
On the others;
- 128 (unique) ways of drawing 8 teams into pairs (256 if you care about who plays home first)
- of these, 24 result in no all-English ties
- another 24 result in 2 all-English ties
- leaving 80 with one all-English tie
So:
a) 18.75%
b) 62.5%
c) 18.75%
I think.
Edit: this is only true if it's a straight draw, with no seeding or protection or anything. Comment below from BBC website implies teams can't draw teams they've already played - is this right?0 -
https://twitter.com/BelTel/status/1106154737462923265Sean_F said:
A decision which will likely satisfy nobody.Sunil_Prasannan said:The Public Prosecution Service said on Thursday there was enough evidence to prosecute Soldier F for the murders of James Wray and William McKinney.
The soldier will also face charges for the attempted murders of Joseph Friel, Michael Quinn, Joe Mahon and Patrick O'Donnell.
Thirteen people were shot dead at a civil rights march on 30 January 1972.
The PPS said there was insufficient evidence to prosecute 16 other soldiers and two Official IRA men.
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If T May gets the WA through (for which she and her team have negotiated), wouldn't she see it as as political triumph and not a political disaster.kle4 said:
More idiocy you mean? Quite rightTheScreamingEagles said:Expect more of this
https://twitter.com/georgefreemanmp/status/1106129342596292610?s=21
In fairness it is not completely dumb, but it is another thing people have been saying since December.0 -
I was discussing the different combinations with my 12 year old son this morning on my walk to the station.Sandpit said:
It's not going to be your D or E options, there's only four English teams and a tie involves two of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
From Gracenote statistician on BBC website:
What are the chances of an all-English quarter-final?
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Gracenote
There are 105 possible scenarios for the Champions League draw - at 11:00 GMT on Friday - which will also determine the semi-final line-ups.
Nine out of those 105 scenarios involve the four English clubs all being drawn against each other - an 8.6% chance.
Out of the total possible draws, 72 scenarios have exactly one all-English tie - that's 66.6%.
Therefore, the chance of all four English clubs avoiding each other in the quarter final draw is 22.9%.
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Male, White - two insuperable handicaps for the current Democrat mindset. He's probably fit as well.Nigelb said:0 -
This will outrage the DUP base, which could well have an impact on their willingness to switch to supporting May's deal.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47540271CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
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I think she'd see it as a triumph on which to depart having delivered BrexitTheAncientMariner said:
If T May gets the WA through (for which she and her team have negotiated), wouldn't she see it as as political triumph and not a political disaster.kle4 said:
More idiocy you mean? Quite rightTheScreamingEagles said:Expect more of this
https://twitter.com/georgefreemanmp/status/1106129342596292610?s=21
In fairness it is not completely dumb, but it is another thing people have been saying since December.0 -
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Which it would be, but one achieved on a basis that she would be the worst possible person to advance the next phase.TheAncientMariner said:
If T May gets the WA through (for which she and her team have negotiated), wouldn't she see it as as political triumph and not a political disaster.kle4 said:
More idiocy you mean? Quite rightTheScreamingEagles said:Expect more of this
https://twitter.com/georgefreemanmp/status/1106129342596292610?s=21
In fairness it is not completely dumb, but it is another thing people have been saying since December.0 -
It's likely I'm just being a moron here (IANAL) but where in this does it lay out they are prosecuting Soldier F? Seems to say no likelihood of conviction, so not to be prosecuted.anothernick said:
This will outrage the DUP base, which could well have an impact on their willingness to switch to supporting May's deal.Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47540271CarlottaVance said:If NIPPS does decide on charges:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1106133597411594245?s=20
https://www.ppsni.gov.uk/Branches/PPSNI/PPSNI/Files/Documents/PPS Press Office/Bloody Sunday Decision/Summary of Reasons.pdf
I looked at section on James Wray and William McKinney, which were the two men he's apparently being charged with murdering.0 -
I'm a leaver who reluctantly has accepted Mrs May's poor deal needs a go. Only because I suspect the EU is incapable of reforming and they'll confirm their intransigence such that even some Euro-fanatics will pause for thought.
What's the point of an extension? They'll get one, but for what? All it does is increase the uncertainty for industry. It's purely part of plan 'fart-around' where they hope they can manoeuvre a referendum re-run.0 -
Cameron ain't all bad:
The Saville Inquiry, chaired by Lord Saville of Newdigate, was established in 1998 to reinvestigate the incident. Following a 12-year inquiry, Saville's report was made public in 2010 and concluded that the killings were both "unjustified" and "unjustifiable". It found that all of those shot were unarmed, that none were posing a serious threat, that no bombs were thrown, and that soldiers "knowingly put forward false accounts" to justify their firing.[8][9] On the publication of the report, British prime minister David Cameron made a formal apology on behalf of the United Kingdom.[10] Following this, police began a murder investigation into the killings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
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A fair summaryScott_P said:0 -
According to Brandreth, Morrison's background was about as grand as one could get without being in the royal family. I assume that people at this level were safer to pursue their 'interests' than the riff raff ... and that they still are.TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many more?rural_voter said:
The rumours and allegations were reported long ago in Gyles Brandreth's diaries. In 1991, Brandreth's constituents alleged to him that Morrison was 'a disgusting pervert' who was 'into little boys'. It couldn't be clearer could it? I assume this would have been edited out, had Morrison not died before the diaries were published.TheWhiteRabbit said:
it's about to be. How many more escaped scrutiny?another_richard said:
I'm surprised that's never become a bigger scandal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did Thatcher apparently.Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
Seriously
Margaret Thatcher personally protected a senior Conservative MP who was under suspicion of abusing children, according to MI5 files disclosed to a public inquiry.
Sir Peter Morrison featured in a series of internal Security Service memos written during 1986-87 about his alleged “interest in small boys”.
Despite MI5’s concerns — which were primarily about any risk to national security rather than the welfare of children — the MP for Chester served as a junior minister, then Tory party deputy chairman and eventually Mrs Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary.
Five documents about Morrison, who died in 1995, were found in MI5 files during a trawl of archives for information relevant to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c1bad844-4450-11e9-bfd2-5b366418ffd1
Hopefully it is not too late to get at least a rough picture of whether (how many) of these people were actually paedophiles.
Are there any still being covered for, today, in 2019? If not, what changed?0 -
Which is why we are governed by the rule of law not the tyranny of the majority.Scott_P said:0 -
They will be until its exposed and someone takes steps to flush the lavatory of the turds. Power and noncery have an affinityrural_voter said:
According to Brandreth, Morrison's background was about as grand as one could get without being in the royal family. I assume that people at this level were safer to pursue their 'interests' than the riff raff ... and that they still are.TheWhiteRabbit said:
How many more?rural_voter said:
The rumours and allegations were reported long ago in Gyles Brandreth's diaries. In 1991, Brandreth's constituents alleged to him that Morrison was 'a disgusting pervert' who was 'into little boys'. It couldn't be clearer could it? I assume this would have been edited out, had Morrison not died before the diaries were published.TheWhiteRabbit said:
it's about to be. How many more escaped scrutiny?another_richard said:
I'm surprised that's never become a bigger scandal.TheScreamingEagles said:
So did Thatcher apparently.Floater said:
What sort of person just turns a blind eye to child abuse???MarqueeMark said:
I wonder if this might be a final straw that does for the LibDem brand - so they throw their lot in with the TIGs?Floater said:Good
https://order-order.com/2019/03/14/steel-facing-disciplinary-investigation-paedo-cover/
The report last night made me so fecking angry
Seriously
Margaret Thatcher personally protected a senior Conservative MP who was under suspicion of abusing children, according to MI5 files disclosed to a public inquiry.
Sir Peter Morrison featured in a series of internal Security Service memos written during 1986-87 about his alleged “interest in small boys”.
Despite MI5’s concerns — which were primarily about any risk to national security rather than the welfare of children — the MP for Chester served as a junior minister, then Tory party deputy chairman and eventually Mrs Thatcher’s parliamentary private secretary.
Five documents about Morrison, who died in 1995, were found in MI5 files during a trawl of archives for information relevant to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA).
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c1bad844-4450-11e9-bfd2-5b366418ffd1
Hopefully it is not too late to get at least a rough picture of whether (how many) of these people were actually paedophiles.
Are there any still being covered for, today, in 2019? If not, what changed?0 -
Oh come on, Arlene!
The former Stormont first minister Arlene Foster of the DUP deferred a bid for extra funding for inquests into historic killings in Northern Ireland,[8] a decision condemned by the human rights group Amnesty International.[9] Foster confirmed she had used her influence in the devolved power-sharing executive to hold back finance for a backlog of inquests connected to the conflict.[8] The High Court said "her decision to refuse to put a funding paper on the Executive basis was unlawful and procedurally flawed."[10]
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Maybe Adonis will storm Parliament like Wolfie Smith.Scott_P said:0 -
Just wait until the Brexit trials after No Deal.Sean_F said:
Something tells me Boris, Gove, Farage, Francois et al will not do well in prison.0 -
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So which Labour MPs do the PB commentariat expect to ride to Mrs May's rescue in the next vote on her deal?
I think she'll do well to even hang onto the 3 Labour MPs who sided with her on Tuesday - I note Caroline Flint voted with the Labour whip on all 3 of yesterday's votes...0 -
we don't do that with guns do we?Theuniondivvie said:The moron's moron.
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Calling bullshit on that maths.Sandpit said:
It's not going to be your D or E options, there's only four English teams and a tie involves two of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
From Gracenote statistician on BBC website:
What are the chances of an all-English quarter-final?
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Gracenote
There are 105 possible scenarios for the Champions League draw - at 11:00 GMT on Friday - which will also determine the semi-final line-ups.
Nine out of those 105 scenarios involve the four English clubs all being drawn against each other - an 8.6% chance.
Out of the total possible draws, 72 scenarios have exactly one all-English tie - that's 66.6%.
Therefore, the chance of all four English clubs avoiding each other in the quarter final draw is 22.9%.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47562984
For the "two all-english games" scenario you have:
AvB CvD
AvC BvD
AvD BvC
I.e. "A" can only play one of three other teams, and the other game is fixed as there are only two english teams left.
And that's it! Even if you double up by switching the orders you're going to end up with an even number, i.e. not 9.
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What did you reckon were the permutations?Verulamius said:
I was discussing the different combinations with my 12 year old son this morning on my walk to the station.Sandpit said:
It's not going to be your D or E options, there's only four English teams and a tie involves two of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
From Gracenote statistician on BBC website:
What are the chances of an all-English quarter-final?
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Gracenote
There are 105 possible scenarios for the Champions League draw - at 11:00 GMT on Friday - which will also determine the semi-final line-ups.
Nine out of those 105 scenarios involve the four English clubs all being drawn against each other - an 8.6% chance.
Out of the total possible draws, 72 scenarios have exactly one all-English tie - that's 66.6%.
Therefore, the chance of all four English clubs avoiding each other in the quarter final draw is 22.9%.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47562984
@Endillion is right that there's 128 different ways of arranging eight teams, so there must be a rule somewhere that certain matches are not allowed to bring it down to 105 - but I can't see any rules anywhere about it - last year's commentary suggested a completely free draw.0 -
I have thirty knives in my kitchenTheWhiteRabbit said:
we don't do that with guns do we?Theuniondivvie said:The moron's moron.
https://twitter.com/scottmann4NC/status/11061289064809512960 -
it's the other games in the draw isn't it?Anorak said:
Calling bullshit on that maths.Sandpit said:
It's not going to be your D or E options, there's only four English teams and a tie involves two of them.TheScreamingEagles said:Right there’s four English teams and four non English teams in the Champions League QFs.
Can someone work out and tell me the probability of
a) 0 all English ties
b) 1 all English tie
c) 2 all English ties
d) 3 all English ties
e) 4 all English ties
From Gracenote statistician on BBC website:
What are the chances of an all-English quarter-final?
Simon Gleave, head of sports analysis, Gracenote
There are 105 possible scenarios for the Champions League draw - at 11:00 GMT on Friday - which will also determine the semi-final line-ups.
Nine out of those 105 scenarios involve the four English clubs all being drawn against each other - an 8.6% chance.
Out of the total possible draws, 72 scenarios have exactly one all-English tie - that's 66.6%.
Therefore, the chance of all four English clubs avoiding each other in the quarter final draw is 22.9%.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47562984
For the "two all-english games" scenario you have:
AvB CvD
AvC BvD
AvD BvC
I.e. "A" can only play one of three other teams, and the other game is fixed as there are only two english teams left.
And that's it! Even if you double up by switching the orders you're going to end up with an even number, i.e. not 9.0 -
Prediction
May, the supporters of the WA will be seen as rubbish but forgiven once she goes
The ERG and the likes of Cooper, Benn, Grieve on the other side will end up actively despised by the electorate at large0
