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On this week’s podcast, Keiran Pedley and Matt Singh look at the numbers around Labour’s policy on a second Brexit vote and discuss the popularity of The Independent Group, comparing their potential impact to that of the SDP in the 1980s.
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You tricked me.Richard_Tyndall said:
You are a stuck record Alastair. No matter how many times you repeat these claims you are still singing 'Highway to Hell' in Esperanto.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was won by whipping up untrue fears of vast numbers of Muslims descending on Britain.Richard_Tyndall said:
Serious question. How is that a problem? England (or Britain if that is your bag) is already a huge lovely rock polisher off different cultures all steadily rubbing the edges of each other to make something new, shiny and classically English. Why should it matter where those new pebbles come from?Foxy said:
Good to hear that evidence is being sought to prosecute them.Tykejohnno said:GROOMING TRIAL: Hecklers called prosecutors 'slags' and 'hoped they would be raped'
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17464382.grooming-trial-hecklers-called-prosecutors-slags-and-hoped-they-would-be-raped/
Lovely families these bastards come from.
I see in todays news that Non EU immigration from Asia and Africa is up, matching the drop in EU immigration. Be careful what you wish for, Britain will become less European in many ways as a result of Brexit.
Apologies I am a geologist and I am pushing the 'rocky' metaphor a bit.
In fact as punishment for your stuck record act you are now condemned to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_gtGfAail4
That wasn't in Esperanto :-(0 -
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How many more times with the Tiggers be able to claim sufficient attention to feature in a podcast and future articles? I guess we'll find out.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.Scott_P said:
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.0 -
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Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.0
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Two reasons (I think):dots said:
Genuine question to someone born in India.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In fact, the Indian Rebellion against the EIC in 1857 was partially about restoring the Mogul Emperor.MTimT said:
The EIC initially was operating in India while the Mogul Empire was at its peak.Charles said:
Yes but the phrasing “before the EIC” implies immediately beforeMTimT said:
That gives the impression that none of them were of global significance, whereas, at one point before the industrial revolution, the Mogul Empire was the world's largest economy on the back of agriculture and manufacturing and, at its greatest extent, was larger than modern day India.Charles said:
Series of usually warring kingdomsJosiasJessop said:
I don't want to get into the wrongs and rights of the colonial period, but a question: was India a single entity before the EIC, was it a series of sometimes-warring kingdoms, or was it both?Richard_Tyndall said:
I assume you are of the opinion that India would be much better if it had stayed Under the control of the East India CompanyTheuniondivvie said:
A fitting punishment for the Brexit mutineers.rpjs said:
Referring to the way some Indians were executed by the British after the 1857 rebellion was suppressed, perhaps?williamglenn said:“Literally over the barrel of a gun”
https://twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1101168555129597952?s=21
Actually the kerfuffle over which kind of fat was used in the sepoys' cartridges has all the hallmarks of a Daily Mail EU scare story.
Mogul Empire (1526-1857), peak years 1556-1707
EIC 1612-1757
If vast majority of Kashmir isn’t Hindu, why is India so keen on it?
1) The Nehru-Gandhi family have roots in Kashmir
2) It's to prove that a Muslim majority area can be governed as part of India (invalidating Jinnah's "Two-Nation" hypothesis). But there was a double-standard in 1948: Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim raja (or "Nizam"), despite being in southern India. He ruled over a Hindu majority, but refused to join in 1947, so the following year India just invaded. Being several hundred miles from the nearest Pakistani territory, Hyderabad was quickly annexed to India.
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Chortle. Brexit just gets better with each passing day.Scott_P said:0 -
FPT:
RE: India. Ashoka ruled over pretty much as big an area as the Moghuls and the British did in 3rd Century BCE. He placed a series of obelisks around explaining the Laws. Ironically he was totally forgotten until Imperial surveyors found them and translated them.
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Job swap?steve_garner said:Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.
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Trump would LOVE the parades......dixiedean said:
Job swap?steve_garner said:Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.
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PB Trumpton wet dreams are stranger than fiction.steve_garner said:Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.
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I would think Trump would quite enjoy being the King of Pyongyang.dixiedean said:
Job swap?steve_garner said:Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.
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He's not saying he wants it to happen._Anazina_ said:
PB Trumpton wet dreams are stranger than fiction.steve_garner said:Can't help wondering if a Trump/Kim deal will be signed a few months (or even weeks) before the next POTUS election.
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I told you it was punishmentrcs1000 said:
You tricked me.Richard_Tyndall said:
You are a stuck record Alastair. No matter how many times you repeat these claims you are still singing 'Highway to Hell' in Esperanto.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was won by whipping up untrue fears of vast numbers of Muslims descending on Britain.Richard_Tyndall said:
Serious question. How is that a problem? England (or Britain if that is your bag) is already a huge lovely rock polisher off different cultures all steadily rubbing the edges of each other to make something new, shiny and classically English. Why should it matter where those new pebbles come from?Foxy said:
Good to hear that evidence is being sought to prosecute them.Tykejohnno said:GROOMING TRIAL: Hecklers called prosecutors 'slags' and 'hoped they would be raped'
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17464382.grooming-trial-hecklers-called-prosecutors-slags-and-hoped-they-would-be-raped/
Lovely families these bastards come from.
I see in todays news that Non EU immigration from Asia and Africa is up, matching the drop in EU immigration. Be careful what you wish for, Britain will become less European in many ways as a result of Brexit.
Apologies I am a geologist and I am pushing the 'rocky' metaphor a bit.
In fact as punishment for your stuck record act you are now condemned to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_gtGfAail4
That wasn't in Esperanto :-(0 -
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A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.Scott_P said:
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
Only 80 people there though.0 -
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I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?Scott_P said:0 -
To be fair, he has always been a friend, supporter and promoter of Diane Abbott.Cyclefree said:
I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?Scott_P said:0 -
Is this what is known as a "moral panic"?
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-159040040 -
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I see they have repeated the calls for Blair to be thrown out.Scott_P said:
Go on punks, make my day.
This new Labour party of SWP and other trots would be finally finished.0 -
A horrifying figure telling us to do crazy, dangerous things?AndyJS said:Is this what is known as a "moral panic"?
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-15904004
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There are currently no less than FIVE articles in the Sun about it, also local newspaper syndicated papers, Mirror etc etc. Also came across a facebook post regarding it where people don't say anything substantive but just tag their friends in the comment section.AndyJS said:Is this what is known as a "moral panic"?
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-15904004
It's echo chamber/streisand effect hoax becoming self fulfilling prophecy as schools and even the Commons! "warnings" to pupils/parents about it propagate the meme about "Momo" sending self harm etc messages through Whatsapp.0 -
Supported the Chagos islanders? Mostly because of whom they were opposing (UK and US, naturally).Cyclefree said:
I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?Scott_P said:
Does seem like circular logic. He can't be racist because he's always been anti-racist.0 -
It seems each day brings a new low for Labour.Scott_P said:
This is a fire that they cannot put out.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.0 -
The deal is a problem.kle4 said:How many more times with the Tiggers be able to claim sufficient attention to feature in a podcast and future articles? I guess we'll find out.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.Scott_P said:
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
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As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?rottenborough said:
It seems each day brings a new low for Labour.Scott_P said:
This is a fire that they cannot put out.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.0 -
Indeed. People who are scared the Internet will ruin children's lives, literally terrifying them by believing and sharing any old crap they see on the Internet.AndyJS said:Is this what is known as a "moral panic"?
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-15904004
Police, schools, etc not doing any kind of basic fact-checking (such as is this a real thing?) before issuing warnings.
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I believe it. That's why I don't get the idea May setting out a timetable to go would swing anything - they were talking that up in mid December too.Philip_Thompson said:
The deal is a problem.kle4 said:How many more times with the Tiggers be able to claim sufficient attention to feature in a podcast and future articles? I guess we'll find out.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.Scott_P said:
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
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Maybe I am naive, but, seriously? Momentum have had to issue a video explaining to their young, middle-class, pseudo marxists that actually the Rothschilds are not involved in a world wide conspiracy of behind-the-scenes bankers and puppet controllers and in fact, incredibly, some other people are far richer (Bezos for example).
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They're too busy debating whether to take down statues.rottenborough said:Maybe I am naive, but, seriously? Momentum have had to issue a video explaining to their young, middle-class, pseudo marxists that actually the Rothschilds are not involved in a world wide conspiracy of behind-the-scenes bankers and puppet controllers and in fact, incredibly, some other people are far richer (Bezos for example).
What the hell happens in our best schools and universities?0 -
The charitable but as it happens I think correct interpretation is "The Withdrawal Agreement, with new words of comfort on the backstop, is a bearable transition state - provided the next stage of negotiations, on the future relationship in the long term, are led by a true believer in Brexit".Philip_Thompson said:
The deal is a problem.kle4 said:How many more times with the Tiggers be able to claim sufficient attention to feature in a podcast and future articles? I guess we'll find out.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.Scott_P said:
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
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For shame Messrs Pedley and Singh suggesting it might not be a coincidence that Labour chose this moment to switch position in part because of the Tiggers.0
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Thornberry showed the right level of devotion to Jezza's cause at the rally if she wants to become leader I think.kle4 said:
As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?rottenborough said:
It seems each day brings a new low for Labour.Scott_P said:
This is a fire that they cannot put out.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.0 -
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Trump/Kim Summit
This is the real disagreement behind the failure to move forward:
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1100435265183719424
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Then they are enabling the filthkle4 said:
As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?rottenborough said:
It seems each day brings a new low for Labour.Scott_P said:
This is a fire that they cannot put out.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.0 -
To be fair you get food and accommodation for thatScott_P said:0 -
Unless they're planning on whole day road closures, parts of that route are going to be errm well take a look here :rottenborough said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i66560 -
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The last point is wrong. Getting 80 people to sit through an evening of turgid “debate” is an achievement. I always felt that the key skill of the hard left is to have absolutely nothing in their lives other than the desire to sit in drafty meeting halls with bladders of iron.kle4 said:
A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.Scott_P said:
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
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Williamson is a ... piece of work
https://www.theredroar.com/2019/02/why-labour-were-right-to-suspend-chris-williamson-and-why-he-shouldnt-be-allowed-back/0 -
Interesting that the exclusive poll referred to suggests that if we do vote in the EU elections turnout would supposedly be about the same, with Remainers more enthusiastic, and UKIP well well down.0
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Might have to dodge the odd muckspreader on the route between Leicester and Oakham.Pulpstar said:
Unless they're planning on whole day road closures, parts of that route are going to be errm well take a look here :rottenborough said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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I wasn't suggesting getting 80 there was unimpressive necessarily (though in what I presume is a place with a very large CLP I'm sure they've had even better turnouts before) - it was anticipating what the likely response will be from the main defenders of the party in pointing to the irrelevance in the grand scheme of such a motion even if they condemn it, because its just one CLP and not all even backed the motion.matt said:
The last point is wrong. Getting 80 people to sit through an evening of turgid “debate” is an achievement. I always felt that the key skill of the hard left is to have absolutely nothing in their lives other than the desire to sit in drafty meeting halls with bladders of iron.kle4 said:
A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.Scott_P said:
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
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Noones done any research other than loading up Google maps for this exercise have they ?Foxy said:
Might have to dodge the odd muckspreader on the route between Leicester and Oakham.Pulpstar said:
Unless they're planning on whole day road closures, parts of that route are going to be errm well take a look here :rottenborough said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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The first response is wonderful: "...I still have hope that Lansman will go"!rottenborough said:Momentum splits
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When are expecting to see this much vaunted 'Cox's Codpiece' by the way? Seems like the last big hope for May, so it had better be impressive.0
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I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
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I’m baffled as to why anyone would accept Jones’ interpretation of Chuka’s comment. Utterly bizarre.rottenborough said:0 -
I mean it’s nonsense management speak, but it is harmless. It sounds like someone describing why their photos of nude women are art and definitely not pron.rottenborough said:0 -
Indeed.Nemtynakht said:
I mean it’s nonsense management speak, but it is harmless. It sounds like someone describing why their photos of nude women are art and definitely not pron.rottenborough said:
And didn't even UKIP also use to talk occasionally of taking ideas from left and right?
I think the left-right spectrum is mostly bollocks albeit useful for tribal political shorthand, but it's sustained for a reason, and I don't think promising you might be willing to take ideas from either end is not actually that popular. It's why it will be seen as Labour lite by some and Tory lite by others and thus limit its appeal.0 -
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
I can never spot the spoofs from the real stuff in tweets, left and rightEndillion said:
The first response is wonderful: "...I still have hope that Lansman will go"!rottenborough said:Momentum splits
https://twitter.com/Fanxxxxtastic/status/1100706876474437632
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Will you be going to see the Wadworth to Worksop march on 22nd March ?Pulpstar said:
Noones done any research other than loading up Google maps for this exercise have they ?Foxy said:
Might have to dodge the odd muckspreader on the route between Leicester and Oakham.Pulpstar said:
Unless they're planning on whole day road closures, parts of that route are going to be errm well take a look here :rottenborough said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://goo.gl/maps/j1E6c43ZNcT2
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The David Brent thing seems to be a bit of a meme amongst the cult after the TIG split._Anazina_ said:T
I’m baffled as to why anyone would accept Jones’ interpretation of Chuka’s comment. Utterly bizarre.rottenborough said:
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It is quite easy to troll the site. I have just registered to march under a witty pseudonym, giving my address as The Bunker, Wilhelmstrasse.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
My kid's school sent out a link to a Momo Parent's Guide issued by a body called National Online Safety. As it's now been debunked by Snopes and the Police, I wrote back to the school giving them the same advice I use at work: never repeat a story from the Internet unless you have fact checked it first. The school just replied that they were just following advice they had received from stakeholders. Argh.Pulpstar said:
There are currently no less than FIVE articles in the Sun about it, also local newspaper syndicated papers, Mirror etc etc. Also came across a facebook post regarding it where people don't say anything substantive but just tag their friends in the comment section.AndyJS said:Is this what is known as a "moral panic"?
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-15904004
It's echo chamber/streisand effect hoax becoming self fulfilling prophecy as schools and even the Commons! "warnings" to pupils/parents about it propagate the meme about "Momo" sending self harm etc messages through Whatsapp.0 -
Why? It is only 20 miles away.Endillion said:0 -
Hah, nah not going to book a day off work just to see those jokers - but yes I know this route and the section north of Oldcotes in particular is not great to walk, 1 foot grass verge next to a national speed limit A road.another_richard said:
Will you be going to see the Wadworth to Worksop march on 22nd March ?Pulpstar said:
Noones done any research other than loading up Google maps for this exercise have they ?Foxy said:
Might have to dodge the odd muckspreader on the route between Leicester and Oakham.Pulpstar said:
Unless they're planning on whole day road closures, parts of that route are going to be errm well take a look here :rottenborough said:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://goo.gl/maps/j1E6c43ZNcT2
That's not the best road for walking along either.
Now I know its all in a day's work for some nutters like Josias Jessop and Eddie Izzard but I'd be staggered if Farage manages it.0 -
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !_Anazina_ said:
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
Full list of kit you get:Pulpstar said:
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !_Anazina_ said:
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
"Being a core marcher means you will receive an official March to Leave kit to help you on the march. These are the items you will receive on the day:
Waterproof coat
Beanie hat
Gloves
Water bottle
T-Shirt
Wristband
High visibility blue jacket"
Note the blue jacket - not gilets jaunes this time.0 -
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I must have missed this, Ummuna to be Tigger spokesman.
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Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit0
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Away we go. Chuka.kle4 said:I must have missed this, Ummuna to be Tigger spokesman.
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As usual he is correct, me thinks.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
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What about lunch?Pulpstar said:
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !_Anazina_ said:
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
He's probably right, but I fear a lot of people would take the possibility of a slow death versus the certainty of the deal, and because it's not as bad as the possibility of a quick death.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
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Britain Elects
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Berkeley Vale (Stroud) result:
CON: 49.8% (+4.6)
LAB: 34.4% (+0.8)
LDEM: 11.6% (-1.5)
GRN: 4.1% (-3.9)
Conservative HOLD.0 -
And Liz won't be joining, though very supportive.kle4 said:I must have missed this, Ummuna to be Tigger spokesman.
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Wetherspoons White House in Scraptoft is suitable for those who have staggered round the Leicester ring road from Birstall, and after a good lunch, catch an Uber the rest of the way.rottenborough said:
What about lunch?Pulpstar said:
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !_Anazina_ said:
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.0 -
They won't even be poorer, or unemployed. Their wages and living standards will rise in a non-FOM economy. They already have risen, as has employment. Brexit's a bugger for people running IO businesses in Dover and for civil servants, but they aren't on this march.Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
Seriously, it's something the Remain campaign still hasn't got, or wants to ignore. The functions, structures and effects of the EU affect people differently. Really differently. Where the drawbacks are more modest than the benefits, you get Remain voters. Where it's the other way around, Leave voters.
So where the Remain campaign is based on 'We'll lose a lot of jam sandwiches if you vote leave', and the Leave campaign is 'in the EU we get f*cked over so that you can have an extra jam sandwich', don't expect 'but muh jam sandwiches' to change any minds.0 -
Yes, it looks like May might have played her cards right in the end after allrottenborough said:
As usual he is correct, me thinks.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
ERG and DUP face a stark choice.
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They might but as that slow death will likely have to include EUref2 and a Remain option from the EU's perspective the ERG and Labour MPs in Leave seats might have to grit their death and back the Dealkle4 said:
He's probably right, but I fear a lot of people would take the possibility of a slow death versus the certainty of the deal, and because it's not as bad as the possibility of a quick death.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
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I've finally had a Brexit bet.
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If we assume it was Theresa May's intention to cause billions of pounds' worth of damage to the British economy, then yes, she might have played her cards right.HYUFD said:
Yes, it looks like May might have played her cards right in the end after allrottenborough said:
As usual he is correct, me thinks.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
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If we got to No Deal then we really would have had billions of pounds worth of damage, as it is May has effectively enabled that to be ruled out by the Commons while forcing a choice between her Deal or lengthy extension of Art 50 and likely EUref2 with a Remain optionDecrepitJohnL said:
If we assume it was Theresa May's intention to cause billions of pounds' worth of damage to the British economy, then yes, she might have played her cards right.HYUFD said:
Yes, it looks like May might have played her cards right in the end after allrottenborough said:
As usual he is correct, me thinks.HYUFD said:Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
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Luciana Berger gets home affairs, health, and digital and culture, so will be responsible for Twitter trolls.kle4 said:I must have missed this, Ummuna to be Tigger spokesman.
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Staying green here, and not going back in. It looks far too murky and those damn fools in Westminster have arranged some votes to clash with the Cheltenham Festival (12 to 15 March).stjohn said:I've finally had a Brexit bet.
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We don't know that.Drutt said:
They won't even be poorer, or unemployed. Their wages and living standards will rise in a non-FOM economy. They already have risen, as has employment. Brexit's a bugger for people running IO businesses in Dover and for civil servants, but they aren't on this march.Nemtynakht said:
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.rottenborough said:
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.Endillion said:
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
It might improve their incomes. It might not.
If leaving FoM means that large employers leave, then it might mean lower levels of employment. If they don't leave, it may result in higher incomes.
If leaving FoM means a weaker currency, then they might have notionally higher incomes, but that essentials - like food and energy - are more expensive. But a weaker currency might also stimulate demand, leading to higher economic growth.
If leaving FoM means lower demand for housing, it might reduce rents and make it easier for people to own their own homes. But lower house prices may also mean that people compensate by increasing their savings rates.
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?0 -
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?rcs1000 said:We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
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Wait, wait. I know the answer to that one ...williamglenn said:
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?rcs1000 said:We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
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"This is a local town for local people!"MTimT said:
Wait, wait. I know the answer to that one ...williamglenn said:
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?rcs1000 said:We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
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