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On this week’s podcast, Keiran Pedley and Matt Singh look at the numbers around Labour’s policy on a second Brexit vote and discuss the popularity of The Independent Group, comparing their potential impact to that of the SDP in the 1980s.
Good to hear that evidence is being sought to prosecute them.
I see in todays news that Non EU immigration from Asia and Africa is up, matching the drop in EU immigration. Be careful what you wish for, Britain will become less European in many ways as a result of Brexit.
Serious question. How is that a problem? England (or Britain if that is your bag) is already a huge lovely rock polisher off different cultures all steadily rubbing the edges of each other to make something new, shiny and classically English. Why should it matter where those new pebbles come from?
Apologies I am a geologist and I am pushing the 'rocky' metaphor a bit.
The referendum was won by whipping up untrue fears of vast numbers of Muslims descending on Britain.
You are a stuck record Alastair. No matter how many times you repeat these claims you are still singing 'Highway to Hell' in Esperanto.
In fact as punishment for your stuck record act you are now condemned to watch this.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
Referring to the way some Indians were executed by the British after the 1857 rebellion was suppressed, perhaps?
A fitting punishment for the Brexit mutineers.
Actually the kerfuffle over which kind of fat was used in the sepoys' cartridges has all the hallmarks of a Daily Mail EU scare story.
I assume you are of the opinion that India would be much better if it had stayed Under the control of the East India Company
I don't want to get into the wrongs and rights of the colonial period, but a question: was India a single entity before the EIC, was it a series of sometimes-warring kingdoms, or was it both?
Series of usually warring kingdoms
That gives the impression that none of them were of global significance, whereas, at one point before the industrial revolution, the Mogul Empire was the world's largest economy on the back of agriculture and manufacturing and, at its greatest extent, was larger than modern day India.
Yes but the phrasing “before the EIC” implies immediately before
The EIC initially was operating in India while the Mogul Empire was at its peak.
Mogul Empire (1526-1857), peak years 1556-1707 EIC 1612-1757
In fact, the Indian Rebellion against the EIC in 1857 was partially about restoring the Mogul Emperor.
Genuine question to someone born in India. If vast majority of Kashmir isn’t Hindu, why is India so keen on it?
Two reasons (I think):
1) The Nehru-Gandhi family have roots in Kashmir
2) It's to prove that a Muslim majority area can be governed as part of India (invalidating Jinnah's "Two-Nation" hypothesis). But there was a double-standard in 1948: Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim raja (or "Nizam"), despite being in southern India. He ruled over a Hindu majority, but refused to join in 1947, so the following year India just invaded. Being several hundred miles from the nearest Pakistani territory, Hyderabad was quickly annexed to India.
FPT: RE: India. Ashoka ruled over pretty much as big an area as the Moghuls and the British did in 3rd Century BCE. He placed a series of obelisks around explaining the Laws. Ironically he was totally forgotten until Imperial surveyors found them and translated them. I also read once, but can't remember where, that India accounted for 25% of World GDP when Europeans arrived.
Good to hear that evidence is being sought to prosecute them.
I see in todays news that Non EU immigration from Asia and Africa is up, matching the drop in EU immigration. Be careful what you wish for, Britain will become less European in many ways as a result of Brexit.
Serious question. How is that a problem? England (or Britain if that is your bag) is already a huge lovely rock polisher off different cultures all steadily rubbing the edges of each other to make something new, shiny and classically English. Why should it matter where those new pebbles come from?
Apologies I am a geologist and I am pushing the 'rocky' metaphor a bit.
The referendum was won by whipping up untrue fears of vast numbers of Muslims descending on Britain.
You are a stuck record Alastair. No matter how many times you repeat these claims you are still singing 'Highway to Hell' in Esperanto.
In fact as punishment for your stuck record act you are now condemned to watch this.
A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?
I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?
To be fair, he has always been a friend, supporter and promoter of Diane Abbott.
There are currently no less than FIVE articles in the Sun about it, also local newspaper syndicated papers, Mirror etc etc. Also came across a facebook post regarding it where people don't say anything substantive but just tag their friends in the comment section. It's echo chamber/streisand effect hoax becoming self fulfilling prophecy as schools and even the Commons! "warnings" to pupils/parents about it propagate the meme about "Momo" sending self harm etc messages through Whatsapp.
I would really like to know exactly what Corbyn’s record of fighting racism amounts to. It’s always stated as an incontrovertible fact. But what, actually, has he done? Signed a lot of EDMs. What else?
Supported the Chagos islanders? Mostly because of whom they were opposing (UK and US, naturally).
Does seem like circular logic. He can't be racist because he's always been anti-racist.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.
As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?
Indeed. People who are scared the Internet will ruin children's lives, literally terrifying them by believing and sharing any old crap they see on the Internet. Police, schools, etc not doing any kind of basic fact-checking (such as is this a real thing?) before issuing warnings. Instead of educating children on Internet safety, maybe we should educate the over 40's on critical thinking skills.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
The deal is a problem.
The deal plus May is a bigger problem.
I believe it. That's why I don't get the idea May setting out a timetable to go would swing anything - they were talking that up in mid December too.
Maybe I am naive, but, seriously? Momentum have had to issue a video explaining to their young, middle-class, pseudo marxists that actually the Rothschilds are not involved in a world wide conspiracy of behind-the-scenes bankers and puppet controllers and in fact, incredibly, some other people are far richer (Bezos for example).
What the hell happens in our best schools and universities?
Maybe I am naive, but, seriously? Momentum have had to issue a video explaining to their young, middle-class, pseudo marxists that actually the Rothschilds are not involved in a world wide conspiracy of behind-the-scenes bankers and puppet controllers and in fact, incredibly, some other people are far richer (Bezos for example).
What the hell happens in our best schools and universities?
They're too busy debating whether to take down statues.
Are they serious? Christ, I wouldn't be surprised if she would be perfectly happy to announce her departure date the instant the deal is signed, staying on just long enough for a damn leadership election to take place.
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
The deal is a problem.
The deal plus May is a bigger problem.
The charitable but as it happens I think correct interpretation is "The Withdrawal Agreement, with new words of comfort on the backstop, is a bearable transition state - provided the next stage of negotiations, on the future relationship in the long term, are led by a true believer in Brexit".
For shame Messrs Pedley and Singh suggesting it might not be a coincidence that Labour chose this moment to switch position in part because of the Tiggers.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.
As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?
Thornberry showed the right level of devotion to Jezza's cause at the rally if she wants to become leader I think.
For shame Messrs Pedley and Singh suggesting it might not be a coincidence that Labour chose this moment to switch position in part because of the Tiggers.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.
As long as the Watsons of the world keep on trying, the gig is clearly not over. I know Thornberry was merely talking tough in front of a political rally but how many MPs, members and Labour voters would indeed rather die than consider leaving the party?
A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
Only 80 people there though.
The last point is wrong. Getting 80 people to sit through an evening of turgid “debate” is an achievement. I always felt that the key skill of the hard left is to have absolutely nothing in their lives other than the desire to sit in drafty meeting halls with bladders of iron.
Interesting that the exclusive poll referred to suggests that if we do vote in the EU elections turnout would supposedly be about the same, with Remainers more enthusiastic, and UKIP well well down.
A somewhat scattershot motion. My professional advice would they should separate things out with a preamble statement and a clear conclusion so that their no doubt very worthy calls for specific action are not lost amid the wordiness.
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
Only 80 people there though.
The last point is wrong. Getting 80 people to sit through an evening of turgid “debate” is an achievement. I always felt that the key skill of the hard left is to have absolutely nothing in their lives other than the desire to sit in drafty meeting halls with bladders of iron.
I wasn't suggesting getting 80 there was unimpressive necessarily (though in what I presume is a place with a very large CLP I'm sure they've had even better turnouts before) - it was anticipating what the likely response will be from the main defenders of the party in pointing to the irrelevance in the grand scheme of such a motion even if they condemn it, because its just one CLP and not all even backed the motion.
I mean it’s nonsense management speak, but it is harmless. It sounds like someone describing why their photos of nude women are art and definitely not pron.
I mean it’s nonsense management speak, but it is harmless. It sounds like someone describing why their photos of nude women are art and definitely not pron.
Indeed.
And didn't even UKIP also use to talk occasionally of taking ideas from left and right?
I think the left-right spectrum is mostly bollocks albeit useful for tribal political shorthand, but it's sustained for a reason, and I don't think promising you might be willing to take ideas from either end is not actually that popular. It's why it will be seen as Labour lite by some and Tory lite by others and thus limit its appeal.
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
There are currently no less than FIVE articles in the Sun about it, also local newspaper syndicated papers, Mirror etc etc. Also came across a facebook post regarding it where people don't say anything substantive but just tag their friends in the comment section. It's echo chamber/streisand effect hoax becoming self fulfilling prophecy as schools and even the Commons! "warnings" to pupils/parents about it propagate the meme about "Momo" sending self harm etc messages through Whatsapp.
My kid's school sent out a link to a Momo Parent's Guide issued by a body called National Online Safety. As it's now been debunked by Snopes and the Police, I wrote back to the school giving them the same advice I use at work: never repeat a story from the Internet unless you have fact checked it first. The school just replied that they were just following advice they had received from stakeholders. Argh.
Noones done any research other than loading up Google maps for this exercise have they ?
Will you be going to see the Wadworth to Worksop march on 22nd March ?
That's not the best road for walking along either.
Hah, nah not going to book a day off work just to see those jokers - but yes I know this route and the section north of Oldcotes in particular is not great to walk, 1 foot grass verge next to a national speed limit A road. Now I know its all in a day's work for some nutters like Josias Jessop and Eddie Izzard but I'd be staggered if Farage manages it.
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !
Full list of kit you get:
"Being a core marcher means you will receive an official March to Leave kit to help you on the march. These are the items you will receive on the day:
Waterproof coat
Beanie hat
Gloves
Water bottle
T-Shirt
Wristband
High visibility blue jacket"
Note the blue jacket - not gilets jaunes this time.
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !
Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
He's probably right, but I fear a lot of people would take the possibility of a slow death versus the certainty of the deal, and because it's not as bad as the possibility of a quick death.
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They will apparently be fifty quid poorer as a core marcher, unless this is fake news?
Well you can get 14 nights of accomodation, 14 breakfasts and 14 dinners out of that if you're prepared to walk 200 miles on the side of fast A roads. You might even see Nige driving past on the way !
What about lunch?
Wetherspoons White House in Scraptoft is suitable for those who have staggered round the Leicester ring road from Birstall, and after a good lunch, catch an Uber the rest of the way.
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They won't even be poorer, or unemployed. Their wages and living standards will rise in a non-FOM economy. They already have risen, as has employment. Brexit's a bugger for people running IO businesses in Dover and for civil servants, but they aren't on this march.
Seriously, it's something the Remain campaign still hasn't got, or wants to ignore. The functions, structures and effects of the EU affect people differently. Really differently. Where the drawbacks are more modest than the benefits, you get Remain voters. Where it's the other way around, Leave voters.
So where the Remain campaign is based on 'We'll lose a lot of jam sandwiches if you vote leave', and the Leave campaign is 'in the EU we get f*cked over so that you can have an extra jam sandwich', don't expect 'but muh jam sandwiches' to change any minds.
Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
He's probably right, but I fear a lot of people would take the possibility of a slow death versus the certainty of the deal, and because it's not as bad as the possibility of a quick death.
They might but as that slow death will likely have to include EUref2 and a Remain option from the EU's perspective the ERG and Labour MPs in Leave seats might have to grit their death and back the Deal
Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
As usual he is correct, me thinks.
ERG and DUP face a stark choice.
Yes, it looks like May might have played her cards right in the end after all
If we assume it was Theresa May's intention to cause billions of pounds' worth of damage to the British economy, then yes, she might have played her cards right.
Portillo on This Week says the choice is now between May's Deal and up to a 2 year extension of Art 50 and the slow death of Brexit
As usual he is correct, me thinks.
ERG and DUP face a stark choice.
Yes, it looks like May might have played her cards right in the end after all
If we assume it was Theresa May's intention to cause billions of pounds' worth of damage to the British economy, then yes, she might have played her cards right.
If we got to No Deal then we really would have had billions of pounds worth of damage, as it is May has effectively enabled that to be ruled out by the Commons while forcing a choice between her Deal or lengthy extension of Art 50 and likely EUref2 with a Remain option
Brexit date before end March 2019. £252 at average Betfair odds 5.15.
Staying green here, and not going back in. It looks far too murky and those damn fools in Westminster have arranged some votes to clash with the Cheltenham Festival (12 to 15 March).
To be fair you get food and accommodation for that
Yes, but only servings of milk and honey, which doesn't seem like it will sustain people for a full march.
To be fair, getting the milk all the way to Sunderland is probably pretty expensive.
I really hate this march. The Jarrow march was about unemployment and the closure of industry in the NE.
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
If the comments and reports I’ve seen are anything to go by they are not bothered one bit about being poorer, and They don’t need to be conned - they already think that. What is needed is a popular remain politician who they can believe and who can point out some of the negatives. Unfortunately your statement that they will be ‘poorer and unemployed’ is so vague as to be meaningless.
They won't even be poorer, or unemployed. Their wages and living standards will rise in a non-FOM economy. They already have risen, as has employment. Brexit's a bugger for people running IO businesses in Dover and for civil servants, but they aren't on this march.
We don't know that.
It might improve their incomes. It might not.
If leaving FoM means that large employers leave, then it might mean lower levels of employment. If they don't leave, it may result in higher incomes.
If leaving FoM means a weaker currency, then they might have notionally higher incomes, but that essentials - like food and energy - are more expensive. But a weaker currency might also stimulate demand, leading to higher economic growth.
If leaving FoM means lower demand for housing, it might reduce rents and make it easier for people to own their own homes. But lower house prices may also mean that people compensate by increasing their savings rates.
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?
Similarly does anyone think that we need restrictions on free movement between London and the Cotswolds to prevent pretty villages getting swamped by millions of outsiders?
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That wasn't in Esperanto :-(
But what a mockery it would make of claims the deal was the problem if this story were true.
1) The Nehru-Gandhi family have roots in Kashmir
2) It's to prove that a Muslim majority area can be governed as part of India (invalidating Jinnah's "Two-Nation" hypothesis). But there was a double-standard in 1948: Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim raja (or "Nizam"), despite being in southern India. He ruled over a Hindu majority, but refused to join in 1947, so the following year India just invaded. Being several hundred miles from the nearest Pakistani territory, Hyderabad was quickly annexed to India.
RE: India. Ashoka ruled over pretty much as big an area as the Moghuls and the British did in 3rd Century BCE. He placed a series of obelisks around explaining the Laws. Ironically he was totally forgotten until Imperial surveyors found them and translated them.
I also read once, but can't remember where, that India accounted for 25% of World GDP when Europeans arrived.
Seems like a pretty mild (and vaguely plausible) conspiracy theory to me.
Is it at all noteworthy that they feel the need to shoehorn Iraq into the middle of all this? Or that they hate attacks on the democratically elected leadership of the party given the leader's record, and the fact that the deputy leader is also democratically elected and seen as attaching him?
On the other hand thank goodness I now know the secret of why racism exists - capitalism that is promoted by apologists in the media and Tories.
Only 80 people there though.
"Momo challenge has caused 'severe trauma' among pupils, school safety group says
"Over the last couple of days we have heard first-hand accounts from our schools of children and young people who have been exposed to Momo""
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momo-challenge-real-hoax-warning-15904004
Go on punks, make my day.
This new Labour party of SWP and other trots would be finally finished.
MoMo or MayMay?
It's echo chamber/streisand effect hoax becoming self fulfilling prophecy as schools and even the Commons! "warnings" to pupils/parents about it propagate the meme about "Momo" sending self harm etc messages through Whatsapp.
Does seem like circular logic. He can't be racist because he's always been anti-racist.
This is a fire that they cannot put out.
Points to Watson for trying, but sorry guys the gig is over. Walk.
The deal plus May is a bigger problem.
Police, schools, etc not doing any kind of basic fact-checking (such as is this a real thing?) before issuing warnings.
Instead of educating children on Internet safety, maybe we should educate the over 40's on critical thinking skills.
What the hell happens in our best schools and universities?
This is the real disagreement behind the failure to move forward:
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1100435265183719424
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6194697,-1.3087695,3a,75y,136.24h,68.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFm15gOEEfSaf8Pxz595GsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Terrified.
https://www.theredroar.com/2019/02/why-labour-were-right-to-suspend-chris-williamson-and-why-he-shouldnt-be-allowed-back/
https://goo.gl/maps/j1E6c43ZNcT2
https://twitter.com/Fanxxxxtastic/status/1100706876474437632
The Farage March is about conning people into continuing to support (even vote) to be poorer and unemployed by leaving our main trading partners.
And didn't even UKIP also use to talk occasionally of taking ideas from left and right?
I think the left-right spectrum is mostly bollocks albeit useful for tribal political shorthand, but it's sustained for a reason, and I don't think promising you might be willing to take ideas from either end is not actually that popular. It's why it will be seen as Labour lite by some and Tory lite by others and thus limit its appeal.
https://twitter.com/pkerrian21/status/1100783303894974468
That's not the best road for walking along either.
Desperately funny... until they see the polling figures.
Now I know its all in a day's work for some nutters like Josias Jessop and Eddie Izzard but I'd be staggered if Farage manages it.
"Being a core marcher means you will receive an official March to Leave kit to help you on the march. These are the items you will receive on the day:
Waterproof coat
Beanie hat
Gloves
Water bottle
T-Shirt
Wristband
High visibility blue jacket"
Note the blue jacket - not gilets jaunes this time.
https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/1101245574219788289
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47410564
ERG and DUP face a stark choice.
@britainelects
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Berkeley Vale (Stroud) result:
CON: 49.8% (+4.6)
LAB: 34.4% (+0.8)
LDEM: 11.6% (-1.5)
GRN: 4.1% (-3.9)
Conservative HOLD.
Seriously, it's something the Remain campaign still hasn't got, or wants to ignore. The functions, structures and effects of the EU affect people differently. Really differently. Where the drawbacks are more modest than the benefits, you get Remain voters. Where it's the other way around, Leave voters.
So where the Remain campaign is based on 'We'll lose a lot of jam sandwiches if you vote leave', and the Leave campaign is 'in the EU we get f*cked over so that you can have an extra jam sandwich', don't expect 'but muh jam sandwiches' to change any minds.
Brexit date before end March 2019. £252 at average Betfair odds 5.15.
It might improve their incomes. It might not.
If leaving FoM means that large employers leave, then it might mean lower levels of employment. If they don't leave, it may result in higher incomes.
If leaving FoM means a weaker currency, then they might have notionally higher incomes, but that essentials - like food and energy - are more expensive. But a weaker currency might also stimulate demand, leading to higher economic growth.
If leaving FoM means lower demand for housing, it might reduce rents and make it easier for people to own their own homes. But lower house prices may also mean that people compensate by increasing their savings rates.
We don't know the impacts of leaving the EU / FoM. My personal view is that FoM is the one thing that I will miss from the EU. Having more freedom of who to hire, and who to work for, and where to live, is a good thing. A thought experiment: do you really think that banning Liverpudlians from working in London (and vice-versa) would raise incomes? And if not, then why would that be any different from banning Estonians from working in Essex?