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It is very hard to think of any other organisation where a deputy can operate in the manner that Tom Watson is doing at the moment. His response to the defection of nine MPs has been very much to sympathize recognising the culture within the party that led to their decisions. He’s also forwarded to the leadership 50 cases of anti-semitism which he wants investigating.
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Taking Back ControlScott_P said:0 -
If Corbyn removed the whip ftomwatson where would that leave him under the party constitution?0
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Tom Watson for Life President.
Finally someone seems to be serious about dealing with this cancer.0 -
On Topic.
Gained his mandate on a lie.
Would lose any election now.
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Two years late, it seem the real fight starts now.0
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The constant claims that Jeremy himself is in no way racist from some quarters are missing the point in the way Brown did when he thought the response to expense gate was to say he personally had done nothing wrong (which wasnt true anyway)0
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And confirmation that Tom doesn't trust the General Secretary see the tweet below Henry'sPhilip_Thompson said:
Taking Back ControlScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/Peelite9/status/11000314631798620160 -
Can he?dyedwoolie said:If Corbyn removed the whip ftomwatson where would that leave him under the party constitution?
It would leave Watson joining the Tiggers probably. Along with many of the other 170 odd left who voted no confidence in Corbyn.0 -
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I don't know if he can I'm just imagining what he might do to retain control. I can see him sacking off all but 50 MPs and remaining leader/keeping the party name, funds and ID so the project can be pure.Philip_Thompson said:
Can he?dyedwoolie said:If Corbyn removed the whip ftomwatson where would that leave him under the party constitution?
It would leave Watson joining the Tiggers probably. Along with many of the other 170 odd left who voted no confidence in Corbyn.
Would almost certainly lead to an inevitable GE0 -
So will the group stay or will they go?0
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He should just f*ck off and join the tories right?bigjohnowls said:On Topic.
Gained his mandate on a lie.
Would lose any election now.0 -
I'm with you, Tom Watson's actions appear to put at risk my shares in popcorn makers...bigjohnowls said:On Topic.
Gained his mandate on a lie.
Would lose any election now.0 -
So Watson has set up The Independent Group - Labour Branch.
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And Mike's not even off on holiday!0
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As for staving off further defections I think it's likely there are a few more that are unstoppable as they are part of the 'plan'0
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Why don't they just f*ck off and join the Tiggers 0
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it was Tom Watson in 2016 who initiated what looked like being a series of minsterial resignations which lead to Tony Blair announcing that he would step down the following year
shome mishtake shurely - ed.0 -
I was going to leave but now Tom is keeping a log of our crapulence I'm in!0
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Just when everything's going so well in Labour:
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1099996082489229312
https://youtu.be/k5mmJQ5NXXc0 -
Toms group runs the risk of being kids on the school council. Loud, full of energy and ignored0
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Eric Pickles prescribing the entirity of the 'Party of God' :O ?! Blimey.0
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deletedCarlottaVance said:it was Tom Watson in 2016 who initiated what looked like being a series of minsterial resignations which lead to Tony Blair announcing that he would step down the following year
shome mishtake shurely - ed.0 -
QuiteIanB2 said:So will the group stay or will they go?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=BN1WwnEDWAM0 -
I once had my work edited (pro bono) by a professional copyeditor. Among the changes were sixteen misspellings of "led" as "lead".0 -
If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
Good afternoon, comrades. Do not fear. The detested Mensheviks will be annihilated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6hAGzBOrk0 -
Magic Cranky Grandad:
https://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-i-wanted-hamas-to-be-part-of-the-debate0 -
Translation: "because Jennie Formby sure as hell won't tell me".CarlottaVance said:
Watson is definitely on a mission from his unique power-base... which will end in one of a bunch of ways, all of which he can probably live with. Frustratingly for Corbyn, he's couching it in loyal language which couldn't at all be construed* as moving against the leadership (*by anyone with a reading age of 9 or less).
1. Corbyn goes.. he is in pole position for the job.
2. Corbyn reforms.. Watson is happy to be in Labour again.
3. Corbyn ignores him.. Watson's new anti-Momentum group grows in stature ahead of whenever the vacancy arises.
4. Corbyn ignores him.. Watson joins his mate Ian Austin and watches as Corbyn's Lab implodes; becomes leading player in a new grouping.
5. Corbyn or supporters move against him in some way.. see option 4.0 -
On topic, I agree with every word of the thread header until the final paragraph. Corbyn is aiming for No Deal because he knows that will be blamed on the Tories. If he swings behind the Deal last minute he'll lose support from Labour Remainers seeing it as facilitating Brexit. The real danger for him is that Brexit happens somehow, isn't a total failure, and he is seen as having done nothing to stop it.0
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This keeps reminding my I have some money on Tom Watson as next labour leader from several years ago....0
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Funny that Eric Pickles thinks Hezbollah is being "prescribed". If Hezbollah is the cure, what would the disease be like?CarlottaVance said:Just when everything's going so well in Labour:
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1099996082489229312
https://youtu.be/k5mmJQ5NXXc
(Sorry, I mean Hizballah, of course.)0 -
Me too. On the other hand I also have a bit on Chris Leslie...Slackbladder said:This keeps reminding my I have some money on Tom Watson as next labour leader from several years ago....
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Who might run for deputy leader if he is challenged, possibly Thornberry or Burgon ?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
So where the hell is the Leader on all this?CarlottaVance said:
Where was the Leader this morning when Jon Lansman was being questioned on Radio 4 about the Party's psoition on AS and a possible 2nd referendum?
Hard to defend a Leader who is as inactive as Corbyn on such vital policy matters.0 -
It really does seem like Waton is breaking party rules here though (not that I know the details of) doesn't it? Is he operating within his mandate or not?0
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It's a nice day on the allotments, plenty of turning over to do..Peter_the_Punter said:
So where the hell is the Leader on all this?CarlottaVance said:
Where was the Leader this morning when Jon Lansman was being questioned on Radio 4 about the Party's psoition on AS and a possible 2nd referendum?
Hard to defend a Leader who is as inactive as Corbyn on such vital policy matters.0 -
The magical number to challenge here is 54 Lab MPs/MEPs at the min but depending on if we still have MEPs in a few months and if there are any more leaving for the Tiggers then it might drop. I wonder if considering the number of MPs who VoNC'd Corbyn post EU ref whether there would be enough to support a challenge to Watson.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
I have money on Sir Michael Fallon succeeding Theresa May.Richard_Nabavi said:
Me too. On the other hand I also have a bit on Chris Leslie...Slackbladder said:This keeps reminding my I have some money on Tom Watson as next labour leader from several years ago....
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Might one hope for Chris Williamson?Pulpstar said:
Who might run for deputy leader if he is challenged, possibly Thornberry or Burgon ?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
Tusk on an extension. Everyone's quoting the "doh" part that if TMay can't pass her deal an extension would be rational, but the news is:
"all the 27 would show maximum understanding and goodwill"
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/11000166028822937600 -
Yes, you might be right, they might have trouble getting the numbers.RH1992 said:
The magical number to challenge here is 54 Lab MPs/MEPs at the min but depending on if we still have MEPs in a few months and if there are any more leaving for the Tiggers then it might drop. I wonder if considering the number of MPs who VoNC'd Corbyn post EU ref whether there would be enough to support a challenge to Watson.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
Would 20% openly oppose Watson?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Without the Front Bench doing so it would be hard to find 20%0 -
That rather depends on whether there is a challenge to Corbyn first...Pulpstar said:
Who might run for deputy leader if he is challenged, possibly Thornberry or Burgon ?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
He may not be, Richard.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
If my reading of Lansbury's interview on the Today programme this morning is correct, I should say Momentum's paymaster is as effed off with the Leader as anybody.0 -
Tom Watson is turning into a bit of a Herbert Morrison du jour. He seems to have influence out of all proportion to his nominal position.0
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If he was saying friends to anyone and didn't mean it I'd love to see video of him calling "the right of Israel" as he puts it his friends.CarlottaVance said:Magic Cranky Grandad:
https://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-i-wanted-hamas-to-be-part-of-the-debate
If that exists I'd drop this issue. It won't though he is dishonest.0 -
We could be in for another round of 53.99999 recurring letters being in, but I reckon if Corbyn's lot manage to get the 54 or whatever it is at the time, Watson is toast which is a shame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, you might be right, they might have trouble getting the numbers.RH1992 said:
The magical number to challenge here is 54 Lab MPs/MEPs at the min but depending on if we still have MEPs in a few months and if there are any more leaving for the Tiggers then it might drop. I wonder if considering the number of MPs who VoNC'd Corbyn post EU ref whether there would be enough to support a challenge to Watson.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
If he got into a tizzy every time a Labour MP kicked off he'd knacker himself out. Best to let them shout loudly for a while get the worst of it out of their system then deal with any reasonable complaints once they've calmed down.Slackbladder said:
It's a nice day on the allotments, plenty of turning over to do..Peter_the_Punter said:
So where the hell is the Leader on all this?CarlottaVance said:
Where was the Leader this morning when Jon Lansman was being questioned on Radio 4 about the Party's psoition on AS and a possible 2nd referendum?
Hard to defend a Leader who is as inactive as Corbyn on such vital policy matters.
Not much to do in the short term but enjoy some relaxing time in the sunshine down the allotments.0 -
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
I think they'll want a gender-balanced ticket, so perhaps it's a route back to respectability for Kate Osamor. Well, a route back, at any rate.Richard_Nabavi said:
Might one hope for Chris Williamson?Pulpstar said:
Who might run for deputy leader if he is challenged, possibly Thornberry or Burgon ?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
I suspect Dr Pickles medical career was rather short lived.0
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Isn't that a "careful what you wish for" scenario for Team Corbyn?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Surely, even from their purist point of view, they need a critical mass of Blairite/Brownite running dogs to make any headway in parliament? If Watson leaves with a few dozen more moderates.. they'll be in a very poor position.
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No. He's desperately needed as the Party's foreign affairs spokesman.Richard_Nabavi said:
Might one hope for Chris Williamson?Pulpstar said:
Who might run for deputy leader if he is challenged, possibly Thornberry or Burgon ?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Without his assistance, how are we all to understand what is going on in Venezuela?0 -
Surely it's a postal ballot over a month as before? They had a special conference to announce the Corbyn-Smith result.Richard_Nabavi said:
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.0 -
Croatia to sign letter of intent by July on joining the Euro.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-25/croatia-to-submit-letter-of-intent-for-ecb-waiting-room-by-july0 -
Yes, Watson is certainly in a very strong position, and he knows it.Harris_Tweed said:
Isn't that a "careful what you wish for" scenario for Team Corbyn?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Surely, even from their purist point of view, they need a critical mass of Blairite/Brownite running dogs to make any headway in parliament? If Watson leaves with a few dozen more moderates.. they'll be in a very poor position.0 -
If Watson leaves it won't be with a few dozen MPs. If Watson goes the numbers following would probably not just push Tiggers past the SNP but past Labour too.Harris_Tweed said:
Isn't that a "careful what you wish for" scenario for Team Corbyn?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Surely, even from their purist point of view, they need a critical mass of Blairite/Brownite running dogs to make any headway in parliament? If Watson leaves with a few dozen more moderates.. they'll be in a very poor position.
If the dam breaks Corbyn can't rely upon half of his MPs.0 -
Has Watson shot, er, the Tiggers' fox?
They haven't had a defection in, ooh, ages.0 -
A more modern parallel if this works could be Nick Clegg as Deputy Prime Minister and part of the quad.Recidivist said:Tom Watson is turning into a bit of a Herbert Morrison du jour. He seems to have influence out of all proportion to his nominal position.
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Yes, I don;t quite understand that (unless the rules have changed). The current rules say:Tissue_Price said:
Surely it's a postal ballot over a month as before? They had a special conference to announce the Corbyn-Smith result.Richard_Nabavi said:
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Valid nominations shall be printed in the final agenda for Party conference, together
with the names of the nominating organisations and Commons members of the PLP supporting the nominations. In the case of a vacancy under E [election where there's a vacancy] below this information shall be included with the documentation circulated with any ballot
and:
D. Timing of an election
i. When the PLP is in opposition in the House of Commons, the election of the leader and deputy leader shall take place at each annual session of Party conference.
http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2018-RULE-BOOK.pdf0 -
I was really starting to get interested in public affairs at the time of Suez and this is, AIR, very considerably worse for the country. If we had any Armed Forces left I would see a take over. It's far worse than when Wilson was threatened.0
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I think the NEC are allowed to make it up as they go along, to some extent. Looks like they did in 2016.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I don;t quite understand that (unless the rules have changed). The current rules say:Tissue_Price said:
Surely it's a postal ballot over a month as before? They had a special conference to announce the Corbyn-Smith result.Richard_Nabavi said:
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Valid nominations shall be printed in the final agenda for Party conference, together
with the names of the nominating organisations and Commons members of the PLP supporting the nominations. In the case of a vacancy under E [election where there's a vacancy] below this information shall be included with the documentation circulated with any ballot
and:
D. Timing of an election
i. When the PLP is in opposition in the House of Commons, the election of the leader and deputy leader shall take place at each annual session of Party conference.
http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2018-RULE-BOOK.pdf0 -
Strategically if the Tories could get Brexit and a leadership change out the way it'd likely be an amazing result at the ballot box to face Labour and Uncle Tom Cobley's Tiggers.Philip_Thompson said:
If Watson leaves it won't be with a few dozen MPs. If Watson goes the numbers following would probably not just push Tiggers past the SNP but past Labour too.Harris_Tweed said:
Isn't that a "careful what you wish for" scenario for Team Corbyn?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Surely, even from their purist point of view, they need a critical mass of Blairite/Brownite running dogs to make any headway in parliament? If Watson leaves with a few dozen more moderates.. they'll be in a very poor position.
If the dam breaks Corbyn can't rely upon half of his MPs.0 -
I thought that was a just a conspiracy theory.OldKingCole said:I was really starting to get interested in public affairs at the time of Suez and this is, AIR, very considerably worse for the country. If we had any Armed Forces left I would see a take over. It's far worse than when Wilson was threatened.
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Its not speeding, its attempting to pervert the course of justice with the aggravation of being a solicitor and an MP. I can understand why the AG office feels its a bit political and doesn't want to touch it but that sentence was a joke.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Be careful what you wish for. Ask David Cameron, or perhaps even Mrs MayPulpstar said:
Strategically if the Tories could get Brexit and a leadership change out the way it'd likely be an amazing result at the ballot box to face Labour and Uncle Tom Cobley's Tiggers.Philip_Thompson said:
If Watson leaves it won't be with a few dozen MPs. If Watson goes the numbers following would probably not just push Tiggers past the SNP but past Labour too.Harris_Tweed said:
Isn't that a "careful what you wish for" scenario for Team Corbyn?Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Surely, even from their purist point of view, they need a critical mass of Blairite/Brownite running dogs to make any headway in parliament? If Watson leaves with a few dozen more moderates.. they'll be in a very poor position.
If the dam breaks Corbyn can't rely upon half of his MPs.0 -
I think most of us on here agreed that at the time; regardless it is a high bar and I'm not surprised it wasn't changed. Perhaps the lawyers here can advise as to whether it could be increased on the basis of her appeal, if the Court of Appeal think it was frivolous?DavidL said:
Its not speeding, its attempting to pervert the course of justice with the aggravation of being a solicitor and an MP. I can understand why the AG office feels its a bit political and doesn't want to touch it but that sentence was a joke.Tissue_Price said:0 -
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Jesus. When you collectively can’t see the wood for the trees. A brutal repressive economy that has ran out of food, fuel and money. That has gone stale and sustained by a network of secret police and banned knowledge is missed because the cultural offer is fantastic with puppets and paid actors.williamglenn said:0 -
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I suspect all of this is in Watson's big picture.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I don;t quite understand that (unless the rules have changed). The current rules say:Tissue_Price said:
Surely it's a postal ballot over a month as before? They had a special conference to announce the Corbyn-Smith result.Richard_Nabavi said:
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Valid nominations shall be printed in the final agenda for Party conference, together
with the names of the nominating organisations and Commons members of the PLP supporting the nominations. In the case of a vacancy under E [election where there's a vacancy] below this information shall be included with the documentation circulated with any ballot
and:
D. Timing of an election
i. When the PLP is in opposition in the House of Commons, the election of the leader and deputy leader shall take place at each annual session of Party conference.
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Well, that should save Labour from Corbyn!Scott_P said:0 -
It was, but the fact that it was taken seriously for a while......RobD said:
I thought that was a just a conspiracy theory.OldKingCole said:I was really starting to get interested in public affairs at the time of Suez and this is, AIR, very considerably worse for the country. If we had any Armed Forces left I would see a take over. It's far worse than when Wilson was threatened.
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"Britain’s Big Squeeze
‘Austerity, That’s What I Know’: The Making of a U.K. Millennial Socialist
Alex McIntyre, 19, was brought up in a Britain being reshaped by government cuts. He gave up on capitalism after a year in college."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-socialism.html0 -
Watson may be many things, but stupid isn't one of them.Nigel_Foremain said:
I suspect all of this is in Watson's big picture.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, I don;t quite understand that (unless the rules have changed). The current rules say:Tissue_Price said:
Surely it's a postal ballot over a month as before? They had a special conference to announce the Corbyn-Smith result.Richard_Nabavi said:
The vote takes place at the conference.Tissue_Price said:
Why wait for the lead-up? Legally, I would have thought February is also "prior to the annual session of Party conference," if they're determined to purge the party.Richard_Nabavi said:If I've understood the rules correctly, Tom Watson can be challenged in the lead-up to the annual conference. From the Labour Party rulebook (Chapter 4, Clause II):
Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of Party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the combined Commons members of the PLP and members of the EPLP.
So Tom Watson is up against a deadline: he'll surely get challenged given what he is up to, but he can't be challenged for a few months.
Valid nominations shall be printed in the final agenda for Party conference, together
with the names of the nominating organisations and Commons members of the PLP supporting the nominations. In the case of a vacancy under E [election where there's a vacancy] below this information shall be included with the documentation circulated with any ballot
and:
D. Timing of an election
i. When the PLP is in opposition in the House of Commons, the election of the leader and deputy leader shall take place at each annual session of Party conference.
http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2018-RULE-BOOK.pdf
However, there is a question how Labour can continue to be a functional party, and although Corbyn is just one person, his fellow travellers are numerous.
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Anyone who falls for this deserves contempt.Scott_P said:
May has been can-kicking for three straight months, all the while denying she is doing anything of the sort.0 -
Tom Watson could make it permanent. Move against him and he could take enough mps with him to TIG to make TIG the largest opposition groupTheJezziah said:
If he got into a tizzy every time a Labour MP kicked off he'd knacker himself out. Best to let them shout loudly for a while get the worst of it out of their system then deal with any reasonable complaints once they've calmed down.Slackbladder said:
It's a nice day on the allotments, plenty of turning over to do..Peter_the_Punter said:
So where the hell is the Leader on all this?CarlottaVance said:
Where was the Leader this morning when Jon Lansman was being questioned on Radio 4 about the Party's psoition on AS and a possible 2nd referendum?
Hard to defend a Leader who is as inactive as Corbyn on such vital policy matters.
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For sure. He knows all this better than anyone.Nigel_Foremain said:I suspect all of this is in Watson's big picture.
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Maybe I should write a counterpoint:AndyJS said:"Britain’s Big Squeeze
‘Austerity, That’s What I Know’: The Making of a U.K. Millennial Socialist
Alex McIntyre, 19, was brought up in a Britain being reshaped by government cuts. He gave up on capitalism after a year in college."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-socialism.html
"Socialism, That's What I Knew". The making of a middle aged Centrist
Nigel Foremain, 54, grew up in a Britain wrecked by the Winter of Discontent. He went to a bog standard comp with lefty teachers and gave up on the Labour Party a year after leaving school."0 -
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As ever, the student loan is discussed without any mention of the fact it’s only repaid if you earn above a certain threshold. It’s basically an additional tax at this point, and no one needs therapy over the hundreds of thousands of pounds they’ll be paying the exchequer over their lifetimes.AndyJS said:"Britain’s Big Squeeze
‘Austerity, That’s What I Know’: The Making of a U.K. Millennial Socialist
Alex McIntyre, 19, was brought up in a Britain being reshaped by government cuts. He gave up on capitalism after a year in college."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/24/world/europe/britain-austerity-socialism.html0 -
Mr. P, almost as if we should've had a referendum on Lisbon, and Blair's constitutional tinkering to create a perpetual Labour fiefdom and 'kill nationalism stone dead' was less than successful...0
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No need to make moves at the moment, just sit back and soak in a bit of February sun. Hope it's nice where you are.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tom Watson could make it permanent. Move against him and he could take enough mps with him to TIG to make TIG the largest opposition groupTheJezziah said:
If he got into a tizzy every time a Labour MP kicked off he'd knacker himself out. Best to let them shout loudly for a while get the worst of it out of their system then deal with any reasonable complaints once they've calmed down.Slackbladder said:
It's a nice day on the allotments, plenty of turning over to do..Peter_the_Punter said:
So where the hell is the Leader on all this?CarlottaVance said:
Where was the Leader this morning when Jon Lansman was being questioned on Radio 4 about the Party's psoition on AS and a possible 2nd referendum?
Hard to defend a Leader who is as inactive as Corbyn on such vital policy matters.
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BOG OFF.MarqueeMark said:
Well, that should save Labour from Corbyn!Scott_P said:
Sorry, BOGOF. From Javid's point of view, it's two for the price of one, and the more important half in the long term (and for betting purposes) is that it boosts him at the expense of future leadership rivals Jeremy Hunt (as he is straying into foreign affairs) and Boris (since, as rehearsed before) any of the attacks on Corbyn can be later re-targeted.0 -
Crikey, that's a bit harsh on Magic Grandpa! True, but harshbigjohnowls said:On Topic.
Gained his mandate on a lie.
Would lose any election now.
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At this point I'd assume they were going along with it rather than falling for it.Gardenwalker said:
Anyone who falls for this deserves contempt.Scott_P said:
May has been can-kicking for three straight months, all the while denying she is doing anything of the sort.0
