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I do think. Perhaps maybe hope. This is a watershed moment. Lots of us have been trying to warn how deep the rot goes - and It's becoming clear. But then we've been here before. Just as on the right there's an underbelly of nativist nationalism that has been let out of the bottle by Brexit (And I know Sean is a Brexiteer, but as a rational one I'm sure he knows that what is approached thoughtfully by some, unleashes the viler passions of others) there's a nasty conspiracist tendency on the left that has found its champion and a cause celebre in Corbyn. Most of the time It's spouting stuff that while daft isn't entirely immoral or unjustifiable. But It's up to its neck in anti-Semitism as any concern that doesn't fit the story it tells itself about the world must be bad faith and wrong. Anti-Semitism is that because it doesn't fit the anti-imperialist good/bad prism the world is seen through. So you get ostensible anti-racist perpetuating the oldest racism. In conclusion. Labour is fucked unless it's MPs and members stand up and be counted and call this abomination pf a party what it now is.SeanT said:
Ooof. And people were asking why this should have any impact on Labour? This is why.Anorak said:Oooo. Red on red.
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Corbyn's many things, but I wouldn't call him 'little.'Nigel_Foremain said:
I hope all the nutters headbangers and racists do defect to the nasty little poundshop fascist. Those of us that believe in One Nation Conservatism can have our party back. Go on, fuck off the lot of you!kle4 said:
The CDU coming to Britain too. But not the big oneScott_P said:
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Yes. Ken is Ken, he has a view that we all know about, he’s had the same view for decades, and he didn’t moderate it even at the cost of his opportunity to be leader. He’s also said very little in recent months and voted with his conscience. Most pro-Brexit Tories have no problem with that, a clear distinction when compared to the likes of Grieve and Soubry.kle4 said:
On the other hand, unlike true fanatics like Grieve, posturing around pretending he is not the same as a Rees-Mogg, Clarke has retained some semblance of perspective even as he does not abandon his very Pro-EU views.TGOHF said:
Clarke would have been most lefties choice for the Con leader.Nigelb said:
Clarke was one of the best chancellors this country had - and one of the best prime ministers we didn't.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
He still makes the Tory cabinet look like pygmies.
His Europhilia however is bizarre - almost a cult like devotion.
Ditto Kate Hoey on the other side.0 -
I think in terms of crappyness Mr. Thicky out craps Mrs Fields-o-Wheat by a margin reflected in their respective negative scoresFoxy said:
It is also thecase that crap as Jezza is, even non-Corbynite Labour find him far preferrable to the even crapper May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have said for ages, he has lucked his way into being the candidate that people pin their own beliefs on (despite what he actually says).kle4 said:People do seem to be underestimating JC again. He's terrible, to be sure, but while certainty he will recover like last time is unwise, there are reasons to think his being terrible won't prove as problematic for Labour as people assume.
Part of it is because there is a significant number of people in the developed world that the globalized economy is putting a lot of pressure on and leaders saying what we need is basically more of the same, as liberal global economy is the best model isn't what they want to hear.
Therefore, his well practised socialist shtick getting a hearing in a way it wouldn't 20 years ago when we were choosing between Blair and Major.0 -
Grieve is a fanatic, without question. It's not his being pro-EU which demonstrates that, it is his actions, being willing to do anything without thought for longer term consequences, triggering A50 then acting like doing that is unconscionable, and so on an so forth. And in any case the moderate wing of Grievers is very small, and so is very extreme by the standards of the party. I think it a disgrace that Grieve gets treated like he is morally better than the ERG just because he is more intelligent and effective, when he is just as inflexible, just as willing to risk everything so long as he gets what he wants. That's fanatical.Nigel_Foremain said:
Clarke is not a "Europhile", he is simply one of a breed of genuine One nation Conservatives who believe it is, on balance, Britain's patriotic duty to be at the heart of Europe. Grieve is not a "fanatic" he is also of the moderate wing of the party and my hold similar views to Ken. He also is a very cerebral man and believes in the rule of law, and has more insight into constitutional matters than most of the rest of the parliamentary Conservative Party (and the PLP) put together.kle4 said:
On the other hand, unlike true fanatics like Grieve, posturing around pretending he is not the same as a Rees-Mogg, Clarke has retained some semblance of perspective even as he does not abandon his very Pro-EU views.TGOHF said:
Clarke would have been most lefties choice for the Con leader.Nigelb said:
Clarke was one of the best chancellors this country had - and one of the best prime ministers we didn't.TGOHF said:
She's popular in the same way Ken Clarke is - anodyne, middle of the road and doesn't offend the foaming mouthed Labour hordes as much as other Conservatives.SeanT said:This YouGov article agrees with me. The most significant politician in the country with noticeable net approval ratings is Ruth Davidson. You have to look quite hard for any others.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/11/06/boris-and-pm-are-britains-most-popular-politicians
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
He still makes the Tory cabinet look like pygmies.
His Europhilia however is bizarre - almost a cult like devotion.
Being pro-EU does not mean a fanatic. Clarke backs many of the same things Grieve does, he did not trigger A50 and openly dismissed the idea he had an obligation to endorse the outcome of the referendum. But his behaviour is far more reasonable nevertheless. Grieve's aim may well be the most noble one out there, if he is right. But he acts like a child, and because he speaks well people let him get away with it,0 -
haha, yes you were referring to poundshop fascist that runs Momentum, I was referring to the one that used to run UKIP/BNPydoethur said:
Corbyn's many things, but I wouldn't call him 'little.'Nigel_Foremain said:
I hope all the nutters headbangers and racists do defect to the nasty little poundshop fascist. Those of us that believe in One Nation Conservatism can have our party back. Go on, fuck off the lot of you!kle4 said:
The CDU coming to Britain too. But not the big oneScott_P said:
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You need to put #FBPE after your login.nico67 said:
The UK will cease to exist in a few years time . Leavers voted to break up the UK and a no deal will just speed things up . It’s over for the UK , shame really but you can’t beat dole queues and blue passports as a wonderful replacement ! History books will take a dim view of those who voted to trash their own country .Sandpit said:
Yup. The one thing the EU are absolutely terrified of, more than any other outcome, is that a couple of years down the line the UK is seen to have made a success of a clean break.Richard_Tyndall said:
He is spot on. I get the impression there are a small but growing number of Remainer politicians who are desperate to avoid a No Deal not because it would be a disaster but because it won't. I certainly think this is something that worries the EU.Anorak said:I don't remember "might not be a disaster" being one of the Leave lines. Bad memory, clearly.
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I don't think so. It doesn't matter if Tory voters have a lower opinion of Corbyn than May, it matters if Labour voters do.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think in terms of crappyness Mr. Thicky out craps Mrs Fields-o-Wheat by a margin reflected in their respective negative scoresFoxy said:
It is also thecase that crap as Jezza is, even non-Corbynite Labour find him far preferrable to the even crapper May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have said for ages, he has lucked his way into being the candidate that people pin their own beliefs on (despite what he actually says).kle4 said:People do seem to be underestimating JC again. He's terrible, to be sure, but while certainty he will recover like last time is unwise, there are reasons to think his being terrible won't prove as problematic for Labour as people assume.
Part of it is because there is a significant number of people in the developed world that the globalized economy is putting a lot of pressure on and leaders saying what we need is basically more of the same, as liberal global economy is the best model isn't what they want to hear.
Therefore, his well practised socialist shtick getting a hearing in a way it wouldn't 20 years ago when we were choosing between Blair and Major.
Also we do not have a presidential system, and the Labour Party brand remains strong despite Corbyn.
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I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
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Mr Kle4: Hmm, you articulate your view well, but I disagree, not because I am against Brexit, but because there is an unhealthy disrespect for our constitution by many politicians, that he has set his face against. A few more Grieves in parliament would be a good thing. Constitutional historians will judge him well, in both what he has insisted upon and the fact that he has terminated his political career for what he thinks is right.0
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Tom Watson's intervention in the matter of Berger is interesting, but isn't suspending a whole CLP a very serious matter? If so, shouldn't it be done by the Party Leader, or at the very least shouldn't it be made clearthat the suspension has his support?0
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Only if his constitutional interpretations are correct. Given his motivations are so blatant, I am not certain of that, but you are right at least that historians of the area will need to be the ones to weigh in on that. My personal view, I admit coloured by my dislike of him, is that any positive constitutional defences he is perhaps engendering is incidental to him, a happy coincidence.Nigel_Foremain said:Mr Kle4: Hmm, you articulate your view well, but I disagree, not because I am against Brexit, but because there is an unhealthy disrespect for our constitution by many politicians, that he has set his face against. A few more Grieves in parliament would be a good thing. Constitutional historians will judge him well, in both what he has insisted upon and the fact that he has terminated his political career for what he thinks is right.
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I am not sure. We all know the old one about monkeys and rosettes, and this applies to both blue and red zones. The area that really matters is still in the centre, although zealots like TheJezziah would have us believe otherwise. If OGH is right, it is the party that has the leader that has the best leader ratings that wins at GE. For those of us that think Mr. Thicky is a liability that is a crumb of comfort in these mad times.Foxy said:
I don't think so. It doesn't matter if Tory voters have a lower opinion of Corbyn than May, it matters if Labour voters do.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think in terms of crappyness Mr. Thicky out craps Mrs Fields-o-Wheat by a margin reflected in their respective negative scoresFoxy said:
It is also thecase that crap as Jezza is, even non-Corbynite Labour find him far preferrable to the even crapper May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have said for ages, he has lucked his way into being the candidate that people pin their own beliefs on (despite what he actually says).kle4 said:People do seem to be underestimating JC again. He's terrible, to be sure, but while certainty he will recover like last time is unwise, there are reasons to think his being terrible won't prove as problematic for Labour as people assume.
Part of it is because there is a significant number of people in the developed world that the globalized economy is putting a lot of pressure on and leaders saying what we need is basically more of the same, as liberal global economy is the best model isn't what they want to hear.
Therefore, his well practised socialist shtick getting a hearing in a way it wouldn't 20 years ago when we were choosing between Blair and Major.
Also we do not have a presidential system, and the Labour Party brand remains strong despite Corbyn.0 -
Yes, very interesting.AlastairMeeks said:As John Rentoul says, this is required reading:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/i-talked-my-leave-voting-constituents-about-brexit-what-i-learnt
Though there is a gap between what she learns about her constituents' concerns and what implementing Brexit does to meet any of them.
One point which I thought significant was that the vox-pop leavers quoted, who are ordinary working-class people without university education, seemed quite aware that Brexit could lead to short-term economic disruption:
“Divorces aren’t kind, they aren’t nice to go through,” she said, “but you have to do it and go through the finances of it, and once you are through the other side everything will be OK. It always is.”
The other thing that struck me is that many of the views expressed are almost identical to those expressed in Conservative Policy Forum meetings I've chaired here in true-blue Sussex, with mostly fairly or very well-off people approaching retirement or already retired. For example, this sentiment:
Barbara also brought up the fact you have to study for a nursing degree nowadays rather than being taken on as a trainee by a hospital as an obstacle to people going into nursing..... Tony believes it is harder now to work your way up from the bottom and there is too much emphasis on going to university. The opportunities presented by the traditional apprenticeship system – where people were properly trained and guaranteed a job afterwards – are denied to the younger generation, he says.0 -
That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...Sean_F said:
Pate and cheddar are mostly foreign muck.AlastairMeeks said:
"Brexit party" conjures up images of patriotic bunting, vol au vents filled with unidentifiable paté, stale Cheddar and warm white wine.Scott_P said:
A true Brexit party would serve up patriotic foods, like faggots, leek puddings, tripe, and semolina, with Newcastle Brown Ale.0 -
I don't think Lansman who founded Momentum is a fascist. I presume you mean Milne and the ex-Communists. They're blocking support for a further referendum and keeping Starmer out of meetings.Nigel_Foremain said:
haha, yes you were referring to poundshop fascist that runs Momentum, I was referring to the one that used to run UKIP/BNPydoethur said:
Corbyn's many things, but I wouldn't call him 'little.'Nigel_Foremain said:
I hope all the nutters headbangers and racists do defect to the nasty little poundshop fascist. Those of us that believe in One Nation Conservatism can have our party back. Go on, fuck off the lot of you!kle4 said:
The CDU coming to Britain too. But not the big oneScott_P said:
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In all seriousness he always looks to me like he is wearing a jacket that is too big for him. Is it just some rich, posh thing to have larger jackets.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
Isn't Friday his jam making day?Peter_the_Punter said:Tom Watson's intervention in the matter of Berger is interesting, but isn't suspending a whole CLP a very serious matter? If so, shouldn't it be done by the Party Leader, or at the very least shouldn't it be made clearthat the suspension has his support?
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haha. JRM is one of the few people I have come across who is more like "Victorian Dad" from Viz than my own father. In my father's defence, had he still been alive he would be about 45 years older than that pompous prat.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
No it was a tongue in cheek reference to Corbyn that clearly didn't work. I regard him as a poundshop fascist as he is an anti-Semite who advocates extreme state intervention, and he is comfortable with militarism and violence provided it is aimed at westerners.rural_voter said:
I don't think Lansman who founded Momentum is a fascist. I presume you mean Milne and the ex-Communists. They're blocking support for a further referendum and keeping Starmer out of meetings.Nigel_Foremain said:
haha, yes you were referring to poundshop fascist that runs Momentum, I was referring to the one that used to run UKIP/BNPydoethur said:
Corbyn's many things, but I wouldn't call him 'little.'Nigel_Foremain said:
I hope all the nutters headbangers and racists do defect to the nasty little poundshop fascist. Those of us that believe in One Nation Conservatism can have our party back. Go on, fuck off the lot of you!kle4 said:
The CDU coming to Britain too. But not the big oneScott_P said:
http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP69090 -
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IIRC this point is specifically mentioned in the GFA. I don't want to bang on again how British politicians actively disdain knowledge of Northern Ireland, but if we are 49 days from Brexit and this point is only now becoming apparent, then we are not governed well.AndyJS said:What's the problem with having an Irish unity referendum? If the majority of people in Northern Ireland would like to become part of the Republic of Ireland that point of view ought to be respected.
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Well, the EU have been asking for creative suggestions on how to stop smuggling without physical checks at the border.williamglenn said:About that unification referendum...
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/10938530997883248640 -
Really interesting read. Thanks for posting.AlastairMeeks said:As John Rentoul says, this is required reading:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/i-talked-my-leave-voting-constituents-about-brexit-what-i-learnt
Though there is a gap between what she learns about her constituents' concerns and what implementing Brexit does to meet any of them.0 -
Arlene Foster's face looks like she has been chewing on a piece of nuclear waste for some considerable timewilliamglenn said:About that unification referendum...
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/10938530997883248640 -
Milk puddings are bonzer. I have at least 3 per week.viewcode said:That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...
This touches on what attracts me about a No Deal Brexit - that it might take us back to what IMO was the best decade for music, food, clothes, politics, movies, you name it, that we in Britain have ever had the good fortune to experience - the seventies.0 -
I am not sure they had movies, or even milk puddings in the 1770skinabalu said:
Milk puddings are bonzer. I have at least 3 per week.viewcode said:That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...
This touches on what attracts me about a No Deal Brexit - that it might take us back to what IMO was the best decade for music, food, clothes, politics, movies, you name it, that we in Britain have ever had the good fortune to experience - the seventies.0 -
It is to cover up his hair shirtkle4 said:
In all seriousness he always looks to me like he is wearing a jacket that is too big for him. Is it just some rich, posh thing to have larger jackets.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
You need somewhere with ultra-stable rock like granite, far from population, easily guardable. Wouldn't the North of Scotland be good? Granite is so common in Aberdeen the houses are built of it, and IIRC granite is naturally slightly radioactive anyway.williamglenn said:About that unification referendum...
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/10938530997883248640 -
Off topic, the remarkable swings in weather in northern central USA continue. Yesterday several states broke all time high temperature records for the time of year, yet today most of them are back below centigrade zero.0
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Farmers are finding preparing for Brexit as disruptive as a major disease outbreak, and food companies are in danger of moving out of the UK or scaling back their investment, a farming leader has warned.
Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, said: “Millions are being spent every day in no-deal planning and contingency plans for the food industry. Businesses are having to invest so much money to protect us from an inept parliament. This will break some businesses.”
She added: “It is like disease crisis management, but we don’t even know what we are going into.” Asked whether a disorderly Brexit could have as much impact on farming as the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001, she said it was not yet possible to tell. “Who knows? It depends on what the government and the EU do.”0 -
I wouldn't take it for granite that they will agree to this.viewcode said:
You need somewhere with ultra-stable rock like granite, far from population, easily guardable. Wouldn't the North of Scotland be good? Granite is so common in Aberdeen the houses are built of it, and IIRC granite is naturally slightly radioactive anyway.williamglenn said:About that unification referendum...
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But for how long, and under how much stress? Labour has been lucky so far in that a) greater concerns over the direction of the country have kept sceptics onside, b) its dissenters haven't fully gone "sod this". For all the stick Labour moderates get. They have been five times more loyal to the party than leftists were to moderate Labour. If that snaps - and some signs are that it is close to breaking - the brand reputation goes very quickly. People will be very loyal to a brand, until there's one offence too many. Then bang, it tanks.Foxy said:
I don't think so. It doesn't matter if Tory voters have a lower opinion of Corbyn than May, it matters if Labour voters do.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think in terms of crappyness Mr. Thicky out craps Mrs Fields-o-Wheat by a margin reflected in their respective negative scoresFoxy said:
It is also thecase that crap as Jezza is, even non-Corbynite Labour find him far preferrable to the even crapper May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have said for ages, he has lucked his way into being the candidate that people pin their own beliefs on (despite what he actually says).kle4 said:People do seem to be underestimating JC again. He's terrible, to be sure, but while certainty he will recover like last time is unwise, there are reasons to think his being terrible won't prove as problematic for Labour as people assume.
Part of it is because there is a significant number of people in the developed world that the globalized economy is putting a lot of pressure on and leaders saying what we need is basically more of the same, as liberal global economy is the best model isn't what they want to hear.
Therefore, his well practised socialist shtick getting a hearing in a way it wouldn't 20 years ago when we were choosing between Blair and Major.
Also we do not have a presidential system, and the Labour Party brand remains strong despite Corbyn.0 -
There are those of us in the Conservative Party who feel the sameMJW said:
But for how long, and under how much stress? Labour has been lucky so far in that a) greater concerns over the direction of the country have kept sceptics onside, b) its dissenters haven't fully gone "sod this". For all the stick Labour moderates get. They have been five times more loyal to the party than leftists were to moderate Labour. If that snaps - and some signs are that it is close to breaking - the brand reputation goes very quickly. People will be very loyal to a brand, until there's one offence too many. Then bang, it tanks.Foxy said:
I don't think so. It doesn't matter if Tory voters have a lower opinion of Corbyn than May, it matters if Labour voters do.Nigel_Foremain said:
I think in terms of crappyness Mr. Thicky out craps Mrs Fields-o-Wheat by a margin reflected in their respective negative scoresFoxy said:
It is also thecase that crap as Jezza is, even non-Corbynite Labour find him far preferrable to the even crapper May.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have said for ages, he has lucked his way into being the candidate that people pin their own beliefs on (despite what he actually says).kle4 said:People do seem to be underestimating JC again. He's terrible, to be sure, but while certainty he will recover like last time is unwise, there are reasons to think his being terrible won't prove as problematic for Labour as people assume.
Part of it is because there is a significant number of people in the developed world that the globalized economy is putting a lot of pressure on and leaders saying what we need is basically more of the same, as liberal global economy is the best model isn't what they want to hear.
Therefore, his well practised socialist shtick getting a hearing in a way it wouldn't 20 years ago when we were choosing between Blair and Major.
Also we do not have a presidential system, and the Labour Party brand remains strong despite Corbyn.0 -
Ah, OK. I've almost lost interest in Corbyn. I don't think he can win a majority under FPTP unless there's a Tory split = unlikely. A C&S with another party keeps him under control.Nigel_Foremain said:
No it was a tongue in cheek reference to Corbyn that clearly didn't work. I regard him as a poundshop fascist as he is an anti-Semite who advocates extreme state intervention, and he is comfortable with militarism and violence provided it is aimed at westerners.rural_voter said:
I don't think Lansman who founded Momentum is a fascist. I presume you mean Milne and the ex-Communists. They're blocking support for a further referendum and keeping Starmer out of meetings.Nigel_Foremain said:
haha, yes you were referring to poundshop fascist that runs Momentum, I was referring to the one that used to run UKIP/BNPydoethur said:
Corbyn's many things, but I wouldn't call him 'little.'Nigel_Foremain said:
I hope all the nutters headbangers and racists do defect to the nasty little poundshop fascist. Those of us that believe in One Nation Conservatism can have our party back. Go on, fuck off the lot of you!kle4 said:
The CDU coming to Britain too. But not the big oneScott_P said:
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A groundhog. Because every day is groundhog day on PB!dots said:
Is that photo a beaver? Anorak and beaver?Anorak said:
I don't get let out of the basement often. Mummy's very strict.dots said:
The way your mind works i know now why you are called anorakAnorak said:
We just need to ensure that the Eagle sisters do a show. All you'd hear would be a door slamming followed by the screeching of tyres.dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
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Not to worry . Leavers have it covered , I mean what does the head of the NFU know about farming . Just ask Babs the Leaver who works at the local chippie . If only we all believed in Brexit just a bit more those unicorns would come true !IanB2 said:Farmers are finding preparing for Brexit as disruptive as a major disease outbreak, and food companies are in danger of moving out of the UK or scaling back their investment, a farming leader has warned.
Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, said: “Millions are being spent every day in no-deal planning and contingency plans for the food industry. Businesses are having to invest so much money to protect us from an inept parliament. This will break some businesses.”
She added: “It is like disease crisis management, but we don’t even know what we are going into.” Asked whether a disorderly Brexit could have as much impact on farming as the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001, she said it was not yet possible to tell. “Who knows? It depends on what the government and the EU do.”
Brexit is like a death cult , frankly I could care less if Leavers want to fxck themselves , unfortunately theyre fxcking everyone else who just wanted to live a quiet life in the EU .0 -
I'm not sure that's true. The music was not really great: the early 70s were Slade, Gary Glitter. Punk was I think overrated. It only started getting good when Punk turned into New Wave, so you had the Jam, The Stranglers, Elvis Costello. A lot of the good stuff during the 70s was American (Donna Summer) or European (Giorgio Moroder). Although if you narrowed the scope to say 78-81 I might agree with you.kinabalu said:
Milk puddings are bonzer. I have at least 3 per week.viewcode said:That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...
This touches on what attracts me about a No Deal Brexit - that it might take us back to what IMO was the best decade for music, food, clothes, politics, movies, you name it, that we in Britain have ever had the good fortune to experience - the seventies.
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No deal leave does not equal leave.nico67 said:
Not to worry . Leavers have it covered , I mean what does the head of the NFU know about farming . Just ask Babs the Leaver who works at the local chippie . If only we all believed in Brexit just a bit more those unicorns would come true !IanB2 said:Farmers are finding preparing for Brexit as disruptive as a major disease outbreak, and food companies are in danger of moving out of the UK or scaling back their investment, a farming leader has warned.
Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, said: “Millions are being spent every day in no-deal planning and contingency plans for the food industry. Businesses are having to invest so much money to protect us from an inept parliament. This will break some businesses.”
She added: “It is like disease crisis management, but we don’t even know what we are going into.” Asked whether a disorderly Brexit could have as much impact on farming as the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001, she said it was not yet possible to tell. “Who knows? It depends on what the government and the EU do.”
Brexit is like a death cult , frankly I could care less if Leavers want to fxck themselves , unfortunately theyre fxcking everyone else who just wanted to live a quiet life in the EU .0 -
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.0 -
You are, of course neglecting the musical titans of ABBA...viewcode said:
I'm not sure that's true. The music was not really great: the early 70s were Slade, Gary Glitter. Punk was I think overrated. It only started getting good when Punk turned into New Wave, so you had the Jam, The Stranglers, Elvis Costello. A lot of the good stuff during the 70s was American (Donna Summer) or European (Giorgio Moroder). Although if you narrowed the scope to say 78-81 I might agree with you.kinabalu said:
Milk puddings are bonzer. I have at least 3 per week.viewcode said:That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...
This touches on what attracts me about a No Deal Brexit - that it might take us back to what IMO was the best decade for music, food, clothes, politics, movies, you name it, that we in Britain have ever had the good fortune to experience - the seventies.
But then again, that hardly makes the case for Brexit.
Oh, and milk puddings were vile; school milk worse, as it was usually sour.
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I used to work with someone who could out-Mogg the Moggster. In his 20s with the same attire but with the added fogeyness of smoking a pipe.TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.0 -
Tweed trunks are itchy, I suspect. And as for a tweed mankini.....TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
Re Chope
Has he always done this to every non-government proposed law or is it something he has only recently started doing ?0 -
Oh. We’re back on old vanilla.0
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I am also aware of someone who ran the New York marathon in a (non-tweed) mankini.matt said:
Tweed trunks are itchy, I suspect. And as for a tweed mankini.....TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
The TV news is getting worked up about this Bozo chap. Should I be bothered?0
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Possibly maintaining the pretence that he’s still wearing his grandfather’s kit ?kle4 said:
In all seriousness he always looks to me like he is wearing a jacket that is too big for him. Is it just some rich, posh thing to have larger jackets.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
(I used to wear my grandfather’s white tie, but sadly no longer possess a 30in waist. And I’d need to lose about 2 inches around the neck to accommodate the starched collars, of which I still have a box of a dozen somewhere...)
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Bad example actually as he famously knows fuck all about it.nico67 said:
Not to worry . Leavers have it covered , I mean what does the head of the NFU know about farming . Just ask Babs the Leaver who works at the local chippie . If only we all believed in Brexit just a bit more those unicorns would come true !IanB2 said:Farmers are finding preparing for Brexit as disruptive as a major disease outbreak, and food companies are in danger of moving out of the UK or scaling back their investment, a farming leader has warned.
Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, said: “Millions are being spent every day in no-deal planning and contingency plans for the food industry. Businesses are having to invest so much money to protect us from an inept parliament. This will break some businesses.”
She added: “It is like disease crisis management, but we don’t even know what we are going into.” Asked whether a disorderly Brexit could have as much impact on farming as the foot and mouth epidemic of 2001, she said it was not yet possible to tell. “Who knows? It depends on what the government and the EU do.”
Brexit is like a death cult , frankly I could care less if Leavers want to fxck themselves , unfortunately theyre fxcking everyone else who just wanted to live a quiet life in the EU .
He is to farming what Amanda Spielman is to education (and she has just said alleged sex attackers should not be suspended from schools or even moved into different classes from the complainants).0 -
Proper Labour. Hated by the cult, natch.
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/10939457439776481290 -
Vacqueyras I picked up when skiing. It's an average but good Friday-night-with-a-lasagne kind of wineTOPPING said:
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.0 -
Alexei Sayle used to have his suits made so that they fit perfectly and then would tell the tailor to take them in two inches all round.kle4 said:
In all seriousness he always looks to me like he is wearing a jacket that is too big for him. Is it just some rich, posh thing to have larger jackets.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg0 -
He waved through stuff backed by his mate Peter Bone earlier in the day, which had been subject to considerably less scrutiny that the FGM amendment. He's the Tory's answer to Chris Williamson.another_richard said:Re Chope
Has he always done this to every non-government proposed law or is it something he has only recently started doing ?0 -
It used to be said that there was no better compliment for a wine than to declare it a good "pizza wine".Anorak said:
Vacqueyras I picked up when skiing. It's an average but good Friday-night-with-a-lasagne kind of wineTOPPING said:
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.0 -
If so then the claims that he does this on principle are bollox.Anorak said:
He waved through stuff backed by his mate Peter Bone earlier in the day, which had been subject to considerably less scrutiny that the FGM amendment. He's the Tory's answer to Chris Williamson.another_richard said:Re Chope
Has he always done this to every non-government proposed law or is it something he has only recently started doing ?0 -
I didn't know you could get pineapple flavour wine.TOPPING said:
It used to be said that there was no better compliment for a wine than to declare it a good "pizza wine".Anorak said:
Vacqueyras I picked up when skiing. It's an average but good Friday-night-with-a-lasagne kind of wineTOPPING said:
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.0 -
5. Hawaiian PizzaSandyRentool said:
I didn't know you could get pineapple flavour wine.TOPPING said:
It used to be said that there was no better compliment for a wine than to declare it a good "pizza wine".Anorak said:
Vacqueyras I picked up when skiing. It's an average but good Friday-night-with-a-lasagne kind of wineTOPPING said:
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.
Riesling and Zinfandel go well with Canadian Bacon Pizza
WINE:
Riesling, Zinfandel or Lambrusco
WHY: Canadian Bacon and Pineapple Pizza Wine Pairing
A slightly sweet Riesling will match surprisingly well with Canadian bacon. Don’t worry, the Germans have been pairing their Rieslings with all kinds of meats so it’s no surprise that this is a great pairing. The acidity in the Riesling acts as a palate cleanser and the sweetness of the Riesling will elevate your ham pineapple experience to a new level. If you can’t find a Riesling that will make you happy, pick a fruitier or sweeter red such as Zinfandel, Primitivo or Lambrusco.
https://winefolly.com/tutorial/pizza-wine/0 -
Thanks, but I think I'll stick to Dandelion & Burdock!another_richard said:
5. Hawaiian PizzaSandyRentool said:
I didn't know you could get pineapple flavour wine.TOPPING said:
It used to be said that there was no better compliment for a wine than to declare it a good "pizza wine".Anorak said:
Vacqueyras I picked up when skiing. It's an average but good Friday-night-with-a-lasagne kind of wineTOPPING said:
Not a chateauneuf from M&S I hope.Anorak said:
Maybe he has a tattoo of Dolly Parton across his back, from losing a drunken bet. Can never remove his shirt, not even in front of nanny. Or he's secretly Yakuza, with the full torso job. Has anyone counted his fingers?TOPPING said:
In Hong Kong he used to wear a tweed jacket, shirt, tie, scarf, cords and brogues on junk trips. Junk trips. In 30 degrees plus with everyone else around him in swimming trunks diving into the sea.dixiedean said:
I fear if JRM took off his suit you would find another underneath. Then another and another till there was just a void revealed.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
Gosh this wine's strong.
Riesling and Zinfandel go well with Canadian Bacon Pizza
WINE:
Riesling, Zinfandel or Lambrusco
WHY: Canadian Bacon and Pineapple Pizza Wine Pairing
A slightly sweet Riesling will match surprisingly well with Canadian bacon. Don’t worry, the Germans have been pairing their Rieslings with all kinds of meats so it’s no surprise that this is a great pairing. The acidity in the Riesling acts as a palate cleanser and the sweetness of the Riesling will elevate your ham pineapple experience to a new level. If you can’t find a Riesling that will make you happy, pick a fruitier or sweeter red such as Zinfandel, Primitivo or Lambrusco.
https://winefolly.com/tutorial/pizza-wine/0 -
After all the years doing the job, its only today humphries has seen it all.kinabalu said:
She has apparently challenged Rees Mogg to a naked debate. Can you imagine?dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
Me neither.
But I can (and indeed I like to) imagine JRM arguing loudly and passionately for a Hard Brexit wearing THIS -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/45/f4/3845f4d0974ac26efffc3baf28940cf0.jpg
I did ask, can humans get equine flu? The answer was neigh0 -
Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.0 -
An interesting read, and a useful reminder that Labour has some excellent MPs, of whom this author is one. A couple of things always strike me when reading things like this though. First, why did people vote for Brexit, which really will do nothing to fix the problems that these voters (correctly) identify, when they had consistently failed to vote for the Labour Party, which has at least tried to come up with policies designed to help them? And second, isn't it odd how patriotic some people are when really Britain has shat all over them their entire life? Rationally, they should hate the British state, not be trying to defend its honour from attack by Brussels. People are very weird.AlastairMeeks said:As John Rentoul says, this is required reading:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/02/i-talked-my-leave-voting-constituents-about-brexit-what-i-learnt
Though there is a gap between what she learns about her constituents' concerns and what implementing Brexit does to meet any of them.0 -
Oh like.Anorak said:Proper Labour. Hated by the cult, natch.
https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/10939457439776481290 -
Both his excuses don't hold up. It's not principle around the procedure since he doesn't always do it, and it is not about shoddy legislation since that can get fixed and I am pretty sure on the upskirting one he stated he hadn't read it, so he has no way of knowing if it was well drafted or not. So presumably he mixes up which excuse he used depending on the issue.another_richard said:
If so then the claims that he does this on principle are bollox.Anorak said:
He waved through stuff backed by his mate Peter Bone earlier in the day, which had been subject to considerably less scrutiny that the FGM amendment. He's the Tory's answer to Chris Williamson.another_richard said:Re Chope
Has he always done this to every non-government proposed law or is it something he has only recently started doing ?0 -
Pink Floyd, wet summer holidays, muggots,viewcode said:
That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...Sean_F said:
Pate and cheddar are mostly foreign muck.AlastairMeeks said:
"Brexit party" conjures up images of patriotic bunting, vol au vents filled with unidentifiable paté, stale Cheddar and warm white wine.Scott_P said:
A true Brexit party would serve up patriotic foods, like faggots, leek puddings, tripe, and semolina, with Newcastle Brown Ale.0 -
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.0 -
That reminds me, Anorak you heard the latest from your cousin Phil?Anorak said:
A groundhog. Because every day is groundhog day on PB!dots said:
Is that photo a beaver? Anorak and beaver?Anorak said:
I don't get let out of the basement often. Mummy's very strict.dots said:
The way your mind works i know now why you are called anorakAnorak said:
We just need to ensure that the Eagle sisters do a show. All you'd hear would be a door slamming followed by the screeching of tyres.dots said:Dr Naked Brexit has been parading her views of brexits, hope Humphries lady guests turning up starkers don’t change his mind ref retirement 🥴
https://news.sky.com/story/punxsatawney-phil-did-he-see-his-shadow-116256370 -
Arctic Roll, Angel Delight, Pears Soap if you're posh, Spangles, Flying Saucers, football strips with diagonal stripes, Fab ice lollies and pretending they're spaceships, wine gums, sherbet dabs, the Six Million Dollar Man, three telly channels, regional variations and the Radio Timesdots said:
Pink Floyd, wet summer holidays, muggots,viewcode said:
That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...Sean_F said:
Pate and cheddar are mostly foreign muck.AlastairMeeks said:
"Brexit party" conjures up images of patriotic bunting, vol au vents filled with unidentifiable paté, stale Cheddar and warm white wine.Scott_P said:
A true Brexit party would serve up patriotic foods, like faggots, leek puddings, tripe, and semolina, with Newcastle Brown Ale.0 -
It is so.another_richard said:
If so then the claims that he does this on principle are bollox.Anorak said:
He waved through stuff backed by his mate Peter Bone earlier in the day, which had been subject to considerably less scrutiny that the FGM amendment. He's the Tory's answer to Chris Williamson.another_richard said:Re Chope
Has he always done this to every non-government proposed law or is it something he has only recently started doing ?
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Alternative lyrics to 'we didn't start the fire'?viewcode said:
Arctic Roll, Angel Delight, Pears Soap if you're posh, Spangles, Flying Saucers, football strips with diagonal stripes, Fab ice lollies and pretending they're spaceships, wine gums, sherbet dabs, the Six Million Dollar Man, three telly channels, regional variations and the Radio Timesdots said:
Pink Floyd, wet summer holidays, muggots,viewcode said:
That Orwell article earlier in the week was good on English cuisine, though well out of date now. I'd forgotten how widespread milk puddings were. Before fridges made long-term milk storage possible, you had to finish the milk by bedtime before it went off, and they were a great way to achieve that. Rice pudding, hot chocolate, Horlicks, great stuff. Jumpers for goalposts...Sean_F said:
Pate and cheddar are mostly foreign muck.AlastairMeeks said:
"Brexit party" conjures up images of patriotic bunting, vol au vents filled with unidentifiable paté, stale Cheddar and warm white wine.Scott_P said:
A true Brexit party would serve up patriotic foods, like faggots, leek puddings, tripe, and semolina, with Newcastle Brown Ale.0 -
No I don't and that is not what I said either. Personally I think there will be problems with a No Deal Brexit - although no where near as bad as is claimed by the lunatic fringes like yourself.nico67 said:
Comedy gold ! You seriously think the UK is ready for no deal .Richard_Tyndall said:
He is spot on. I get the impression there are a small but growing number of Remainer politicians who are desperate to avoid a No Deal not because it would be a disaster but because it won't. I certainly think this is something that worries the EU.Anorak said:I don't remember "might not be a disaster" being one of the Leave lines. Bad memory, clearly.
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1093899089127882752
But it is undeniably the case that a growing number of Remainers are now more afraid of a successful No Deal than they are of an unsuccessful one.0
