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Corbyn's net Ipsos-MORI satisfaction ratings drop from a net minus 32% to 55%. Chart from @standardnews pic.twitter.com/w7YRizjdmJ
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What exactly does this mean?
Parties, we are often told, are broad churches or loose coalitions and both the current Conservative and Labour parties are fine examples of that.
Within the broad church or a loose coalition there can and should be a tolerance for a range of views. The problem is opponents try to portray a divergence from the official party line as some form of hypocrisy or a negative thing. Very often, it isn't.
I do report in the header that LAB and CON are tied.
Kinnock and EdM are good examples of LAB leaders with poor leader ratings when the voting intention polling got it wrong.
For those of us dreading the idea of a Saturday having to navigate round Naas, Cagnes Sur Mer and some venues in South Africa, some news:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/equine-flu-outbreak/live-blog-racing-bids-to-recover-from-outbreak-of-equine-flu/365538
The BHA will make a further announcement this afternoon. The question will be to what extent equine flu has got into the thoroughbred population. There are rumours the veterinary services have struggle do cope with the sudden demand for swabs and checks.
Nick Rust spoke of "weeks" this morning which would send a shiver through Cheltenham (Gold Cup day is five weeks away) but there will be huge pressure to re-start racing as soon as possible.
I do think there may be an additional delay until Saturday week.
Trump involvement.
Fascinating. http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/with-bezos-has-the-enquirer-messed-with-the-wrong-guy-1439388227564
My bad!
I went off Scrapheap's reply....
In fairness Corbyn is also a good example of poor leader ratings when the voting intention polling got it wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/07/antisemitic-incidents-uk-record-high-third-year-in-row-community-security-trust
What is even more extraordinary is the denial about it (well illustrated here by some of our Corbyn fans).
Corbyn has just come up with a very viable compromise on Brexit that unlike May's could have had widespread acceptance. It suits the EU, moderate remainers and fulfils the brief of leaving the EU.
A year ago it would have been a stark contrast to the Tories divisions.
Now I have a feeling that the mood amongst remainers has shifted and that only complete cancellation of Brexit will satisfy them.
This is my piece a few days before the 2017 general election pointing out Mrs May's ratings were collapsing like the French army in 1940.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/06/04/the-polling-that-should-worry-mrs-may-and-all-tories/
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It also recorded 148 incidents over the year that were explicitly related to arguments over alleged antisemitism in Labour, with 49 in August when there was significant media and political attention on the issue.
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So the incidents associated with Labour were related to arguments over alleged anti semitism...
Hmm, not quite the slam dunk it sounded like you were presenting.
That might be caused by the ERG antics and the general disunity and chaos in the Conservative Party, but it might also be partly a conflation of 'the government' and 'MPs as a whole'.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-anti-semitism-breaks-record-high-for-3rd-year-in-a-row-says-watchdog/
Some pretty horrendous stuff there.
I think we already knew that.
A new party could do well in this environment - if it wasn't filled with the low grade dross that currently fills Westminster and Holyrood.
Unless 'intellectual wilderness' just means disagreeing with George Osborne.
Note that it doesn't necessarily imply that those individuals were members of the Labour party, but quite clearly they are mostly supporters of it.
If they decide that it's a huge, imminent issue and so naturally it has to dominate the election, then Labour's position excited no-one and pisses a lot of their base off. A dramatic pivot to 2nd referendum might help them... or not. I don't know if they'd have any good options, really.
On the other hand, if the public decides that politicians have been yammering on about arcane legal technicalities for far too long and they'd really like to hear about literally anything else for a while, I suspect that would hugely play to Labour's advantage and very much wrong-foot May.
Besides I'd rather believe the Washington Post to the National Enquirer.
I'm not sure why they put the word alleged in there then?
https://twitter.com/jonlansman/status/1093809854760800259
As a Labour supporter the current situation is very painful!
Until Labour are slaughtered in a GE.
Even then I wonder.
If you disagree with the bit that mentions Labour then it seems silly to make it part of your evidence. You are a Tory partisan you don't give a damn about racism, the only reason you pretend to misread what the article said in regard to Labour is to make a crack at Labour, don't make up rubbish about wanting the truth.
Throwing idiotic insults at me won't alter the facts, I'm afraid, and merely confirms your denial of the issue.
Ok, let's try this:
Step 1: There is a series of stories in the national press about alleged anti-semitism within the Labour party
Step 2: Indignant Corbynites take to Twitter to protest that this isn't and can't be true
Step 3: A number of posts made during Step 2 are reported to the CST, who conclude that the posts contain anti-semitism
I saw a horrendous number of tweets last summer suggesting ant-semitism was fine/impossible because Jews have loads of money and control the media...
Also, if you're looking at the CST report, the size of the word "Labour" in the word cloud on page 43 is somewhat depressing.
As for Vince, he is and always has been viewed as a transitional leader. Initially, most people in the party thought Jo Swinson would take over but Layla Moran has altered the dynamic somewhat.
Vince will stay through 29/3 - if we exit with a Deal I think he will stand down before the next Conference. If it's a No Deal and a period of renewed instability kicks off that may well change.
Has he ever voiced any opinion on health, education or the economy? Is he on the right, centre or soft left of the Party?
You know I have to question that, there clearly have been arguments...I am pretty sure you would have noticed them and discussed them on PB. You can deny what the article you linked says but it just looks a bit silly and I haven't got a problem with what the article says, no denial here. I even mentioned what it says in this post.
The second problem is a failure to articulate what the Lib Dems stand for other than being anti-Brexit. Labour is for an interventionist state and universal benefits. The Conservatives under May are for social authoritarianism, low intervention in business, and nativism. What do Cable's Lib Dems believe? Are they interventionist or laissez-faire? Will they, say, invest in the railways like Labour, or try and reduce their demands on the public purse like the Tories? I couldn't even tell you and I'm expecting to vote Lib Dem at the May locals.
https://twitter.com/journojoel/status/1093832480610750464
https://cst.org.uk/public/data/file/2/9/Incidents Report 2018 - web.pdf
As for visibility, I think the problem might be that they have a simple, clear, almost-universally-agreed-on stance on Brexit. Which is boring. The splits and strife in the Tory and Labour parties dominate the news. This puts the Lib Dems in a similar position to the SNP, who you also rarely hear from on Brexit (except the occasional boring statement nobody remembers or cares about).
What a prat, that guy was.
Could such a wet big government type ever lead the Con party ? Let's hope not.
I have never claimed there is no anti semitism in Labour, less than the Tories or say UKIP but certainly not none. People being abusive online is pretty much a given unfortunately, from and to all groups.
There has been no concrete evidence of Labour members doing more racist abuse. Work I have seen on abuse given to MPs for example points to Diane Abbott getting more abuse than any other woman MPs.
Diane is a favourite of Conservatives.
Pause.
No, me neither. But it seems to keep them happy.
He still makes the Tory cabinet look like pygmies.
His Europhilia however is bizarre - almost a cult like devotion.
So the perfect person to lead Labour is.... Corbyn.
Couldn't agree more.
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/overview(popup:ratings/politics/labour-politicians/all)
He is 75, and while I would be delighted to reach that age in his apparent condition, I do think that he has 'gone over' and needs to be handing over the torch quite soon.
And a horrendous PC London luvvie who will forever be judge by her flag tweet which showed how out of touch she is. Kryptonite north of Luton
Does that help.
apologies for long post:
"For example, the last week of March 2018 saw renewed focus on Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s past support for a graffiti artist called Mear One, who had painted an allegedly antisemitic mural in Tower Hamlets in 2012 (Corbyn objected to the removal of the mural by Tower Hamlets council). This led to a demonstration held outside Parliament and an open letter to Corbyn from Jewish community leadership bodies in late March. Representatives of those same Jewish organisations (including CST) subsequently met Corbyn and his leadership team in late April 2018. This period saw sustained and prominent media and political debate about the question of antisemitism in the Labour Party, and about the broader issue of antisemitism in British society. CST recorded the highest and second-highest monthly antisemitic incident totals for the year in May and April respectively. Similarly, in August a series of allegations of antisemitic behaviour by Labour Party members and by Jeremy Corbyn himself attracted widespread media coverage. There was also an ongoing dispute during the summer of 2018 over whether the party would adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Association (IHRA) definition of antisemitism (this continued into early September, when the party decided to adopt the definition). These factors may help to explain why the number of antisemitic incidents reported to CST rose from 130 in July 2018 to 150 incidents in August. "
24 mentions of "Labour" in the report.