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The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
Actually it did. Tories gained a majority in Great Britain and the DUP with the same pledge gained a majority in Northern Ireland. Therefore a majority in Parliament. QED._Anazina_ said:
Which failed to gain a majority in parliament. QED.Philip_Thompson said:
There was something on the manifesto about leaving the Customs Union._Anazina_ said:
There was nothing on the ballot paper about the Customs Union.
Plenty of things were said by a variety of inept clowns during the referendum campaign.
Only a credulous quarterwit would afford the outpourings of politicians any credence.0 -
Fascinating programme but my overwhelming impression is exactly the opposite of yours - How dumb are these people! (on all sides of the arguments).Peter_the_Punter said:
You need to see the BBC series on Europe currently running, and then think again about 'dunces'. These people are bright. So is Cameron. But he got Europe wrong, and that's what he'll be remembered for.
They live by strict legalistic interpretations of rules with absolutely no initiative or foresight. When things go wrong the retreat into a bunker like mentality and are incapable of lateral thinking. And this is not limited at all to the EU and the leaders of the continental countries. The same applies to most of our politicians in Parliament as well - again on both sides of the argument.
Europe as a whole is very poorly served by its modern political classes.0 -
Yes, dimwitted, slow, whatever you want to call it. They are the mistakes of amateurs, I think the whole of PB had worked out the consequences of Merkel's idiot decision within about an hour, yet the EU sat there twiddling it's thumbs saying how nice Mrs Merkel was and how awful Eastern Europe and the UK were for not taking in these wonderful people.Peter_the_Punter said:
But 'dunces'?MaxPB said:
Those aren't small mistakes that I've pointed out though, and they are mistakes that Dave (and George) saw coming and kept us well out of.Peter_the_Punter said:
They made mistakes, Max, and I would agree with those you point out above. But 'dunces'?MaxPB said:
If they were bright then how did they miss all of these gigantic issues, I mean not only miss them but exacerbate them in a few cases. Honestly, I want to believe you but any political leader with an ounce of sense could have seen that inviting half of the Middle East to Europe was a poor idea and either should have told Germany to deal with the problem they created or had an actually "more EU" solution and forced Merkel to stand down. Instead they let Merkel do what she wanted and then tried to force the countries that wanted no part of her folly to deal with the consequences. If a debate leader in a sixth form politics class wasn't able to see that then they would get a fail.Peter_the_Punter said:You need to see the BBC series on Europe currently running, and then think again about 'dunces'. These people are bright. So is Cameron. But he got Europe wrong, and that's what he'll be remembered for.
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That profile is very very long but well worth a read, it's crazier than most thrillers, that's for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:Dan Mallory, author of the best-selling The Woman in the Window, has admitted to lying about having brain cancer. His admission comes after a New Yorker profile accused him of a history of lies about his personal life.
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Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
When? I missed her saying that.Peter_the_Punter said:
May's said there will be not be a No Deal exit. Watchagonna do?Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see any impossibility. It may be impossible to agree a deal with the EU and that's a shame if so but it's still possible to leave. You can't make our leaving contingent on the people we are leaving who don't want us to do so.Peter_the_Punter said:
It was accepted, but now it looks like it was impossible.
You want to test the idea to destruction, or would you prefer to do something sensible?
If the shoe was on the other foot ... if in 2014 Scotland voted by 52/48 Yes only for Cameron (who for some reason didn't resign despite the referendum result) to insist Scotland could only get a deal to leave if they agreed to implement English laws forever, or until England chose to let Scotland stop following English laws ... do you think Salmond would have decided that Scottish Independence was impossible after all?
We may yet leave. It's not impossible, but it's looking that way (which is what I wrote.) You can't see it? 'None so blind', Philip.0 -
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
Sure. My freedom involves different things (partly because when you live in rural England, you get used to the fact that your vote will never make any difference to anything). No-one has a monopoly on the word. I've long been pissed off with Richard "toenail-eating" Stallman and his attempts to colonise the word "Freedom", duly capitalised, for his own particular ideology in computer software.kyf_100 said:
My freedom believes in not being told what to do.El_Capitano said:
I think the Remainer types get that perfectly well. They just believe in different freedoms. But it's still the same word. "Four freedoms", you remember?kyf_100 said:Call me Michael Eddington, but this is the thing you remainer types will never get. Sometimes, you've got to go down fighting for the freedom you believe in.
Live free or die.
PB is illustrative of that. Neither PB Remainers nor PB Leavers are any less vehement in their beliefs. You can pretty much say whether any given poster is a Remainer or a Leaver, and there's not much movement any more. I don't see any difference in the willingness to go down fighting.
Which is going to be entertaining on 29th March, particularly if it's No Deal.
I say "entertaining" in the manner of a "ho ho ho jolly politics" observer. But you can conceive scenarios where a shortage of one particular drug (held up at customs, or some administrative confusion over certification, or whatever) could be construed as leading to the death of, say, an already seriously ill kid in Liverpool. The story gets into the Canary or Novara in some exaggerated, misunderstood form; the mainstream media pick it up; and from then we're not far off riots in the Remain-voting cities. Not far at all.
Yes, people may well be going down fighting in the next couple of months, but I wouldn't bet on them being Leavers.
(Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and re-watch GBH.)
Or, if I must be, knowing clearly and exactly how I sack / vote out the person making the law that tells me what I can and can't do.
Everything else is bullshit.
But just because people have a different definition to you doesn't mean that they're any less likely to fight for it. You can try yelling "YOU'RE WRONG, THIS ISN'T REAL FREEDOM, YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO DANIEL HANNAN" at them when they're rioting, but I doubt it'll do you much good.0 -
One person did show some lateral thinking to try and sort out the financial crisis - Varoufakis. It was the rest of them, the pan European establishment, that closed ranks, put their fingers in their ears and read from the prepared script.Richard_Tyndall said:
Fascinating programme but my overwhelming impression is exactly the opposite of yours - How dumb are these people! (on all sides of the arguments).Peter_the_Punter said:
You need to see the BBC series on Europe currently running, and then think again about 'dunces'. These people are bright. So is Cameron. But he got Europe wrong, and that's what he'll be remembered for.
They live by strict legalistic interpretations of rules with absolutely no initiative or foresight. When things go wrong the retreat into a bunker like mentality and are incapable of lateral thinking. And this is not limited at all to the EU and the leaders of the continental countries. The same applies to most of our politicians in Parliament as well - again on both sides of the argument.
Europe as a whole is very poorly served by its modern political classes.0 -
Well of course you do, Richard, because your outlook is so inimical to theirs! They must therefore be stupid, or ill-willed, if not both.Richard_Tyndall said:
Fascinating programme but my overwhelming impression is exactly the opposite of yours - How dumb are these people! (on all sides of the arguments).Peter_the_Punter said:
You need to see the BBC series on Europe currently running, and then think again about 'dunces'. These people are bright. So is Cameron. But he got Europe wrong, and that's what he'll be remembered for.
They live by strict legalistic interpretations of rules with absolutely no initiative or foresight. When things go wrong the retreat into a bunker like mentality and are incapable of lateral thinking. And this is not limited at all to the EU and the leaders of the continental countries. The same applies to most of our politicians in Parliament as well - again on both sides of the argument.
Europe as a whole is very poorly served by its modern political classes.
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El_Capitano said:
But just because people have a different definition to you doesn't mean that they're any less likely to fight for it. You can try yelling "YOU'RE WRONG, THIS ISN'T REAL FREEDOM, YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO DANIEL HANNAN" at them when they're rioting, but I doubt it'll do you much good.
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Nice theory, belied completely by the xenophobic campaign. Leavers need to get a better mirror.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
Ross Thomson. Well, there's a fellow.0
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Yes, I remember watching an industry lecture with him from when he was Valve's in house economist. Without a doubt one of the smartest people in politics. It's a shame that it went down like you said, as always the political project trumps all in the EU, even the people.SandyRentool said:
One person did show some lateral thinking to try and sort out the financial crisis - Varoufakis. It was the rest of them, the pan European establishment, that closed ranks, put their fingers in their ears and read from the prepared script.Richard_Tyndall said:
Fascinating programme but my overwhelming impression is exactly the opposite of yours - How dumb are these people! (on all sides of the arguments).Peter_the_Punter said:
You need to see the BBC series on Europe currently running, and then think again about 'dunces'. These people are bright. So is Cameron. But he got Europe wrong, and that's what he'll be remembered for.
They live by strict legalistic interpretations of rules with absolutely no initiative or foresight. When things go wrong the retreat into a bunker like mentality and are incapable of lateral thinking. And this is not limited at all to the EU and the leaders of the continental countries. The same applies to most of our politicians in Parliament as well - again on both sides of the argument.
Europe as a whole is very poorly served by its modern political classes.0 -
Oh come on Mr Meeks. A slight point against the possibly over-zealous tide. I'm sure your good nature will give me that.AlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.
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In Northern Island, today. Nobody remarked upon it much, probably because it's not the first time she's said it. Or possibly people are used to her saying one thing and then doing something else.Philip_Thompson said:
When? I missed her saying that.Peter_the_Punter said:
May's said there will be not be a No Deal exit. Watchagonna do?Philip_Thompson said:
I fail to see any impossibility. It may be impossible to agree a deal with the EU and that's a shame if so but it's still possible to leave. You can't make our leaving contingent on the people we are leaving who don't want us to do so.Peter_the_Punter said:
It was accepted, but now it looks like it was impossible.
You want to test the idea to destruction, or would you prefer to do something sensible?
If the shoe was on the other foot ... if in 2014 Scotland voted by 52/48 Yes only for Cameron (who for some reason didn't resign despite the referendum result) to insist Scotland could only get a deal to leave if they agreed to implement English laws forever, or until England chose to let Scotland stop following English laws ... do you think Salmond would have decided that Scottish Independence was impossible after all?
We may yet leave. It's not impossible, but it's looking that way (which is what I wrote.) You can't see it? 'None so blind', Philip.0 -
If seanT get stuck for new material....kle4 said:
That profile is very very long but well worth a read, it's crazier than most thrillers, that's for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:Dan Mallory, author of the best-selling The Woman in the Window, has admitted to lying about having brain cancer. His admission comes after a New Yorker profile accused him of a history of lies about his personal life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-471443680 -
My freedom doesn't impinge on other people's. How about yours? How about the EU's?El_Capitano said:
Sure. My freedom involves different things (partly because when you live in rural England, you get used to the fact that your vote will never make any difference to anything). No-one has a monopoly on the word. I've long been pissed off with Richard "toenail-eating" Stallman and his attempts to colonise the word "Freedom", duly capitalised, for his own particular ideology in computer software.kyf_100 said:
My freedom believes in not being told what to do.El_Capitano said:
I think the Remainer types get that perfectly well. They just believe in different freedoms. But it's still the same word. "Four freedoms", you remember?kyf_100 said:Call me Michael Eddington, but this is the thing you remainer types will never get. Sometimes, you've got to go down fighting for the freedom you believe in.
Live free or die.
PB is illustrative of that. Neither PB Remainers nor PB Leavers are any less vehement in their beliefs. You can pretty much say whether any given poster is a Remainer or a Leaver, and there's not much movement any more. I don't see any difference in the willingness to go down fighting.
Which is going to be entertaining on 29th March, particularly if it's No Deal.
I say "entertaining" in the manner of a "ho ho ho jolly politics" observer. But you can conceive scenarios where a shortage of one particular drug (held up at customs, or some administrative confusion over certification, or whatever) could be construed as leading to the death of, say, an already seriously ill kid in Liverpool. The story gets into the Canary or Novara in some exaggerated, misunderstood form; the mainstream media pick it up; and from then we're not far off riots in the Remain-voting cities. Not far at all.
Yes, people may well be going down fighting in the next couple of months, but I wouldn't bet on them being Leavers.
(Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and re-watch GBH.)
Or, if I must be, knowing clearly and exactly how I sack / vote out the person making the law that tells me what I can and can't do.
Everything else is bullshit.
But just because people have a different definition to you doesn't mean that they're any less likely to fight for it. You can try yelling "YOU'RE WRONG, THIS ISN'T REAL FREEDOM, YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO DANIEL HANNAN" at them when they're rioting, but I doubt it'll do you much good.0 -
Wasn’t it “remainer” Cameron who stoked xenophobia :- https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/30/david-cameron-migrant-swarm-language-condemnedAlastairMeeks said:
Nice theory, belied completely by the xenophobic campaign. Leavers need to get a better mirror.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
That isnt what the polling shows. The peak for Leave was 1981, For Remain in the late eighties.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.
https://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-612500 -
The desperation to avoid the clear responsibility that Leave advocates bear for campaigning with race-baiting is palpable. But forlorn. The country’s current ills stem substantially from that catastrophic malignity.kjohnw said:
Wasn’t it “remainer” Cameron who stoked xenophobia :- https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/30/david-cameron-migrant-swarm-language-condemnedAlastairMeeks said:
Nice theory, belied completely by the xenophobic campaign. Leavers need to get a better mirror.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.0 -
Parliament may still vote for permanent Customs Union and Single Market elements though as it did by 318 to 310 to oppose No Deal, the question would then be if the executive accepts the legislature's decisionFoxy said:
No. The only way that the Deal can be sold to Parliament is to get Labour onside, by backing permanent Customs Union. May however would rather No Deal than split her party.Philip_Thompson said:
May's deal is dead. Parliament rejected it. Did you miss that?Foxy said:
Tusk is merely supporting May's Deal.ydoethur said:
Yes. It's stiffened theirealism...Foxy said:
The timing was perfect. The languague got noticed even by Tories with a tin ear.Big_G_NorthWales said:
His language was crass and timing was idioticFoxy said:
No matter how many times that the EU27 repeat that the backstop is not up for renegotiation, May and the Brexiteers are too thick to listen. There reaches a point where Tusk has to be very explicit and blunt in order to be heard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As you are a remainer how do you think his comments hd destinationRoger said:Good for Tusk. He sounded really angry. There was no humour whatsoever.
I suspect he was echoing the feeling among the 27 countries and the 17 million in this country who aren't Leavers
(Oh, and my Grammar Nazi is now singing the Horst Wessel. A bit more and it will be on 'Person called Romanes, they go the house?')
While May agitates against her own Deal.
We are through the looking glass.0 -
You mean apart from my sudden lack of freedom to work in 27 European countries?kyf_100 said:My freedom doesn't impinge on other people's. How about yours? How about the EU's?
But this is kind of the point. You can shout all you like about how your freedom is the right one and how I. Just. Don't. Get. It. It's not going to convince me. I'm not any less likely to "go down fighting" just because you voted Leave and I voted Remain. The argument has gone beyond angels-on-a-pin dialectics about the exact meaning of "freedom".0 -
Or removing a verruca.Luckyguy1983 said:
I would hardly call the loss of Soubry et al a split. More like an appendectomy.eek said:
FTFY as I suspect the question of when the Tory party splits is now just a matter of time...Foxy said:
No. The only way that the Deal can be sold to Parliament is to get Labour onside, by backing permanent Customs Union. May however would rather No Deal than immediately split her party.Philip_Thompson said:
May's deal is dead. Parliament rejected it. Did you miss that?Foxy said:
Tusk is merely supporting May's Deal.ydoethur said:
Yes. It's stiffened their resolve and increased the chances of no deal.Foxy said:
The timing was perfect. The languague got noticed even by Tories with a tin ear.Big_G_NorthWales said:
His language was crass and timing was idioticFoxy said:
No matter how many times that the EU27 repeat that the backstop is not up for renegotiation, May and the Brexiteers are too thick to listen. There reaches a point where Tusk has to be very explicit and blunt in order to be heard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As you are a remainer how do you think his comments has helped the peoples vote campaignRoger said:Good for Tusk. He sounded really angry. There was no humour whatsoever.
I suspect he was echoing the feeling among the 27 countries and the 17 million in this country who aren't Leavers
I am annoyed, not because of his anger which is evident on here daily, but because he risks hardening attitudes to the EU and makes a deal more difficult
I believe he finally finished off remain in the EU as any likely end destination
He must be very confident of the capital reserves of the Eurozone banking sector.
You wonder whether confidence is the same as realism...
(Oh, and my Grammar Nazi is now singing the Horst Wessel. A bit more and it will be on 'Person called Romanes, they go the house?')
While May agitates against her own Deal.
We are through the looking glass.0 -
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193356#Comment_2193356I'm pretty certain that I would still be able to get a job in any of the 27 EU countries before or after leaving.
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And few people cared very much about the EU until forced to take an interest in it when Cameron called the referendum. That is perhaps the greatest of the many tragedies that the referendum unleashed. An issue that was not very important to most people has been elevated into something that is dividing families, generations, and the nations of the UK. And all because of the indolence and arrogance of one man.Foxy said:
That isnt what the polling shows. The peak for Leave was 1981, For Remain in the late eighties.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.
https://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-612500 -
Self-confident leadership, like pushing for the completion of the single market, obviously goes down well with the public. With our great traditions, it should be the UK taking the lead on the creation of the EU army.Foxy said:
That isnt what the polling shows. The peak for Leave was 1981, For Remain in the late eighties.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.kjohnw said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthAlastairMeeks said:
Spoiled only by the fact that the referendum was won by pandering to xenophobia.Omnium said:
An excellent point and very well made.Luckyguy1983 said:
We are talking about being in favour of Britain's continuing membership of the EU. That has nothing to do with being outward or inward looking.Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.
https://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-612500 -
"I'm alright Jack."MaxPB said:I'm pretty certain that I would still be able to get a job in any of the 27 EU countries before or after leaving.
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What’s happened to Vanilla on mobile!? I like it.
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This seems particularly interesting. Probably an outlier but if true, potentially flippable on both counts.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1093238514328711169
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Yes, being rich gives one so many more freedoms.MaxPB said:I'm pretty certain that I would still be able to get a job in any of the 27 EU countries before or after leaving.
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Double quote buttons !Gallowgate said:What’s happened to Vanilla on mobile!? I like it.
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I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.0
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This is a completely tired and self-serving narrative peddled by well-off Brexiteers who want to pose as representing the interests of the common man.kyf_100 said:Sorta why people who didn't have those options voted to leave, wasn't it...
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https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193361#Comment_2193361Well yes, but immigration has always had a skill element, removing that has distorted the market for 15 years. I think if the EU 27 want to reintroduce that skill element for UK immigration it's definitely fair.
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I know it is guido but another law firm is saying the backstop is illegal under EU law (not the GFA) as stated by Cox in November
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With 70% of the Conservative's voters and 80% of their workers.williamglenn said:
The Conservatives are the European party. It's the ERG who'll be out on their ear.Luckyguy1983 said:
I would hardly call the loss of Soubry et al a split. More like an appendectomy.eek said:
FTFY as I suspect the question of when the Tory party splits is now just a matter of time...Foxy said:
No. The only way that the Deal can be sold to Parliament is to get Labour onside, by backing permanent Customs Union. May however would rather No Deal than immediately split her party.Philip_Thompson said:
May's deal is dead. Parliament rejected it. Did you miss that?Foxy said:
Tusk is merely supporting May's Deal.ydoethur said:
Yes. It's stiffened their resolve and increased the chances of no deal.Foxy said:
The timing was perfect. The languague got noticed even by Tories with a tin ear.Big_G_NorthWales said:
His language was crass and timing was idioticFoxy said:
No matter how many times that the EU27 repeat that the backstop is not up for renegotiation, May and the Brexiteers are too thick to listen. There reaches a point where Tusk has to be very explicit and blunt in order to be heard.Big_G_NorthWales said:
As you are a remainer how do you think his comments has helped the peoples vote campaignRoger said:Good for Tusk. He sounded really angry. There was no humour whatsoever.
I suspect he was echoing the feeling among the 27 countries and the 17 million in this country who aren't Leavers
I am annoyed, not because of his anger which is evident on here daily, but because he risks hardening attitudes to the EU and makes a deal more difficult
I believe he finally finished off remain in the EU as any likely end destination
He must be very confident of the capital reserves of the Eurozone banking sector.
You wonder whether confidence is the same as realism...
(Oh, and my Grammar Nazi is now singing the Horst Wessel. A bit more and it will be on 'Person called Romanes, they go the house?')
While May agitates against her own Deal.
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Now that you've said that, I can sort of see what you mean, but in general Theresa May has not been great at shaping public opinion, so it's little surprise that it hasn't worked. Anyway, no-one listens to politician's speeches.williamglenn said:
All her speeches on Brexit come from the perspective of thinking that British people universally weren't comfortable in the EU and didn't really like it.Endillion said:
When exactly did she try that? From what I can see, she's been treating the EU with far more respect than they've shown her.williamglenn said:
Theresa May has been trying that for two and a half years and it doesn't work because the narrative doesn't reflect the truth.Endillion said:On reflection, I've concluded that Tusk's comments will be helpful in the long run.
The quicker we remind ourselves what a colossal majority there is in the UK for "we don't like the EU", the quicker we can move on from obsessing over the relatively more narrow majority for "the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the difficulties associated with leaving", the better.
The problem is that since the referendum, both sides have seemingly decided that Leave and Remain are local rival football clubs who hate each other because they always have done. We need to unite around a common narrative, and (to me) the most obvious pathway involves reminding ourselves (both sides) about all the things the EU does that we don't like and have have done.
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The key thing to remember re polls in France .
Older people are much more pro EU than those in the UK. Macron has much more support from older people than Le Pen and her anti EU message made her toxic to many voters .0 -
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193366#Comment_2193366Oh my, not sure I like this.
Only the second one works.
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Being rolled out to the main site as well.Pulpstar said:
Double quote buttons !Gallowgate said:What’s happened to Vanilla on mobile!? I like it.
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Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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TonyAlastairMeeks said:kjohnw said:
Tony Blair lying about the amount of immigration from Eastern Europe and then allowing the floodgates to open hardly did much for social cohesion and put massive strain on the NHS and our infrastructure. And then calling anyone who what’s concerned about this racist , so immigration couldn’t be addressed or discussed . Politicians ignored the genuine concerns of people and shut down any debate , is it any wonder people who voted leave did so because the politicians ignored them and were not listening . Many did vote because of being ignored over immigration concerns , but also many voted because they saw our sovereignty being taken away from us by an undemocratic EU bureaucracy. The British have never been endeared to the concept of the EU and we have always been reluctant members , which is why leaving is the best thing, we want to trade, we want to be good neighbours, but we don’t want to be dictated to by a commission we cannot boot out if we do t agree with them . We want a much looser arrangement than the current positionAlastairMeeks said:
The desperation to avoid the clear responsibility that Leave advocates bear for campaigning with race-baiting is palpable. But forlorn. The country’s current ills stem substantially from that catastrophic malignity.kjohnw said:
Wasn’t it “remainer” Cameron who stoked xenophobia :- https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/30/david-cameron-migrant-swarm-language-condemnedAlastairMeeks said:
Nice theory, belied completely by the xenophobic campaign. Leavers need to get a better mirror.kjohnw said:
Remain lost the referendum many years before June 2016. The resentment towards the EU and it’s disregard for national sovereignty has been brewing since 1975AlastairMeeks said:
Funny, the posters I saw all concerned the untrue threat that millions of Muslims were poised to descend on Britain.Omnium said:
The referendum was won because an intransigent EU forcing us into ever closer union and diminishing national sovereignty year by year by stealthLuckyguy1983 said:Omnium said:
It's not ridiculous at all to see the Tories as more outward facing than Labour. Should the EU be, or become, more of a social union then the roles change. Almost by definition Tories are likely to be less xenophobic than Labour supporters. I agree this flies in the face of the available facts.
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It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Her heart wouldn't be in it. It's only immigrants that really get her going.Endillion said:
Now that you've said that, I can sort of see what you mean, but in general Theresa May has not been great at shaping public opinion, so it's little surprise that it hasn't worked. Anyway, no-one listens to politician's speeches.williamglenn said:
All her speeches on Brexit come from the perspective of thinking that British people universally weren't comfortable in the EU and didn't really like it.Endillion said:
When exactly did she try that? From what I can see, she's been treating the EU with far more respect than they've shown her.williamglenn said:
Theresa May has been trying that for two and a half years and it doesn't work because the narrative doesn't reflect the truth.Endillion said:On reflection, I've concluded that Tusk's comments will be helpful in the long run.
The quicker we remind ourselves what a colossal majority there is in the UK for "we don't like the EU", the quicker we can move on from obsessing over the relatively more narrow majority for "the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the difficulties associated with leaving", the better.
The problem is that since the referendum, both sides have seemingly decided that Leave and Remain are local rival football clubs who hate each other because they always have done. We need to unite around a common narrative, and (to me) the most obvious pathway involves reminding ourselves (both sides) about all the things the EU does that we don't like and have have done.
Maybe she needed to do what Tusk has done today, and just blast them a few times on Twitter.0 -
Well that's what the VAT man said, and Mcvities lawyers spanked their arse in court.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Number of people from Poland who came to the UK after 2004 - approx 800,000williamglenn said:
This is a completely tired and self-serving narrative peddled by well-off Brexiteers who want to pose as representing the interests of the common man.kyf_100 said:Sorta why people who didn't have those options voted to leave, wasn't it...
Number of people from the UK who moved to Poland during that time - approx 40,000
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Wow, that's a weird graph! I don't get why support for the EU (or EEC as is was then) went down to 30% not long after the first referendum? Or how it got to 60% in the early 90s when it was the height of the tabloids printing anti-Europe stories?Foxy said:
That isnt what the polling shows. The peak for Leave was 1981, For Remain in the late eighties.
https://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250
I assume it went down around 2015 when the migrant crisis (with the massive increase in the Mediterranean crossings) became big news. If only the second referendum was in 2014!0 -
It seems that appearances are not always deceptive.Alistair said:Ross Thomson. Well, there's a fellow.
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The point is not that you retain your freedoms, it's that you removed them from others.MaxPB said:I'm pretty certain that I would still be able to get a job in any of the 27 EU countries before or after leaving.
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It self identifies as a biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that's what the VAT man said, and Mcvities lawyers spanked their arse in court.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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What a ludicrous exercise in sophistry.
By the way, nice new phone interface for Vanilla Forums.
Much better than the old one.
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LOL...I didn't know it isn't just UK, apparently in Ireland they have a "moisture" test for biscuit vs cake and Jaffa Cakes have sufficiently high moisture content to be classified as a cake...you learn something new every day.TheScreamingEagles said:
It self identifies as a biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that's what the VAT man said, and Mcvities lawyers spanked their arse in court.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Biscuits go soft when they go stale while cakes go hard.FrancisUrquhart said:
LOL...I didn't know it isn't just UK, apparently in Ireland they have a "moisture" test for biscuit vs cake and Jaffa Cakes have sufficiently high moisture content to be classified as a cake...you learn something new every day.TheScreamingEagles said:
It self identifies as a biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that's what the VAT man said, and Mcvities lawyers spanked their arse in court.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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I hate this new format. Make it stop._Anazina_ said:What a ludicrous exercise in sophistry.
By the way, nice new phone interface for Vanilla Forums.
Much better than the old one.
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Meanwhile, in depressing international news:
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1093258156342501376?s=21
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The new interface is completely effing up the quote function, it still has the character limit but you can't edit the previous quotes to delete them, not a great start.
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So what? 16 million people voted Remain.kyf_100 said:
Number of people from Poland who came to the UK after 2004 - approx 800,000williamglenn said:
This is a completely tired and self-serving narrative peddled by well-off Brexiteers who want to pose as representing the interests of the common man.kyf_100 said:Sorta why people who didn't have those options voted to leave, wasn't it...
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So? It's a cake - it goes hard when you leave it out. Biscuits go soft.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Vanilla is transitioning, the new version won't be fully functional until later on, so we might see some gremlins until then.0
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The comments are very large and the names very small.MaxPB said:The new interface is completely effing up the quote function, it still has the character limit but you can't edit the previous quotes to delete them, not a great start.
Is this the same for you too?0 -
It appears Apple have made a handy emoji when one wants to talk about the Donald...
A new emoji being rolled out this year will depict a hand doing a pinching motion to depict a 'small penis' and mock modestly endowed gentlemen.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6674197/Small-penis-emoji-rolled-phones-year.html0 -
Actually I take it back.
I can’t seem to quote other people at all!
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You want to sack the bloke responsible for the site admin...Hi Robert...TheScreamingEagles said:Vanilla is transitioning, the new version won't be fully functional until later on, so we might see some gremlins until then.
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Will it have a backstop at the end of the transition period?TheScreamingEagles said:Vanilla is transitioning, the new version won't be fully functional until later on, so we might see some gremlins until then.
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It is one of those automatic updates.FrancisUrquhart said:
You want to sack the bloke responsible for the site admin...Hi Robert...TheScreamingEagles said:Vanilla is transitioning, the new version won't be fully functional until later on, so we might see some gremlins until then.
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Yes, Euroscepticism rises in times when the economy is in the doldrums, drops when the economy improves. Other events affect it, but to a lesser extent.CatMan said:
Wow, that's a weird graph! I don't get why support for the EU (or EEC as is was then) went down to 30% not long after the first referendum? Or how it got to 60% in the early 90s when it was the height of the tabloids printing anti-Europe stories?Foxy said:
That isnt what the polling shows. The peak for Leave was 1981, For Remain in the late eighties.
https://theconversation.com/polling-history-40-years-of-british-views-on-in-or-out-of-europe-61250
I assume it went down around 2015 when the migrant crisis (with the massive increase in the Mediterranean crossings) became big news. If only the second referendum was in 2014!0 -
Not about to go the way of disqus I hope.Casino_Royale said:
The comments are very large and the names very small.MaxPB said:The new interface is completely effing up the quote function, it still has the character limit but you can't edit the previous quotes to delete them, not a great start.
Is this the same for you too?0 -
Never mind Brexit, this is much more important.TudorRose said:
Will it have a backstop at the end of the transition period?TheScreamingEagles said:Vanilla is transitioning, the new version won't be fully functional until later on, so we might see some gremlins until then.
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https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2193396#Comment_2193396Yes, it's not great. Another web 4.0 (or are we up to 5.0?) innovation we could have done without.
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God, don't swear.kle4 said:
Not about to go the way of disqus I hope.Casino_Royale said:
The comments are very large and the names very small.MaxPB said:The new interface is completely effing up the quote function, it still has the character limit but you can't edit the previous quotes to delete them, not a great start.
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So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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This is too annoying.
Logging off. Hopefully it'll be fixed by morning.0 -
But more importantly, Tunnock's are BRITISH.kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Every word I type is a unique and exquisitely crafted piece of pure insight, it is good people will not be able to delete them.MaxPB said:The new interface is completely effing up the quote function, it still has the character limit but you can't edit the previous quotes to delete them, not a great start.
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What about a wagon wheel?kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Back on Brexit? Seems optimistic, frankly.Casino_Royale said:This is too annoying.
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Confused about their identity.Nemtynakht said:
What about a wagon wheel?kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
Personally if it is not viable to be dunked in tea I don't think it qualifies as a biscuit. And I am very generous in determining what can and cannot be dunked, so it's a wide range, but wagon wheels and jaffa cakes miss out there.0 -
You are a bigger troll than Donald Tusk....TheScreamingEagles said:
But more importantly, Tunnock's are BRITISH.kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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Oh FFS, I know delaying is her only move, but will minister just goddamn quit or ultras vote out her government already, it is getting incredibly reckless as well as pathetic and stupid to keep pushing the date like this.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
What about a fig roll?kle4 said:
Confused about their identity.Nemtynakht said:
What about a wagon wheel?kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
Personally if it is not viable to be dunked in tea I don't think it qualifies as a biscuit. And I am very generous in determining what can and cannot be dunked, so it's a wide range, but wagon wheels and jaffa cakes miss out there.0 -
I don't care if they are a biscuit or a cake, but they are the choice of snack for boxed wine drinkers...Nemtynakht said:
What about a fig roll?kle4 said:
Confused about their identity.Nemtynakht said:
What about a wagon wheel?kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
Personally if it is not viable to be dunked in tea I don't think it qualifies as a biscuit. And I am very generous in determining what can and cannot be dunked, so it's a wide range, but wagon wheels and jaffa cakes miss out there.0 -
Without personal empirical data I would be hesitant to weigh in definitively on such an important topic, but from general observation they would appear to be cakes.Nemtynakht said:
What about a fig roll?kle4 said:
Confused about their identity.Nemtynakht said:
What about a wagon wheel?kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
Personally if it is not viable to be dunked in tea I don't think it qualifies as a biscuit. And I am very generous in determining what can and cannot be dunked, so it's a wide range, but wagon wheels and jaffa cakes miss out there.0 -
I wouldn't know how to troll, as my many PB thread headers prove.FrancisUrquhart said:
You are a bigger troll than Donald Tusk....TheScreamingEagles said:
But more importantly, Tunnock's are BRITISH.kle4 said:
So are tunnock's tea cakes, and despite the base those aren't biscuits either.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's in the biscuits aisle, next to the other biscuits.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its a cake...and any suggestion it isn't will have Mcvities lawyers on the blower.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes.FrancisUrquhart said:I see we are rehashing the same old same old arguments....I have personally spent the day weighing up best biscuit, its a really toughie.
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What if Donny, Juncker and co say Non?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1093261983720394754
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We can threaten temporary revocation.FrancisUrquhart said:
What if Donny, Juncker and co say Non?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1093261983720394754
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Is Brexit a cake or a biscuit?
Either it starts off soft and Norway-ish, and then hardens due to a mysterious internal chemical reaction, or it starts off hard and then softens when exposed to oxygen.0 -
Thank feck for this, the commie trade union has ruined my weekends for nearly a year.
When Northern strike my Transpennine Express trains become rammed with rowdy peasants.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/06/northern-rail-industrial-action-called-off-after-conductor-guarantee0 -
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Isn't it a doughnut? It goes round in circles with a hole in the middle.williamglenn said:Is Brexit a cake or a biscuit?
Either it starts off soft and Norway-ish, and then hardens due to a mysterious internal chemical reaction, or it starts off hard and then softens when exposed to oxygen.0 -
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You've never seen Dan Snow and myself in the same room have you?
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TPE is always full of rowdy West Yorkshire peasants heading for yet another Manchester hen party.TheScreamingEagles said:Thank feck for this, the commie trade union has ruined my weekends for nearly a year.
When Northern strike my Transpennine Express trains become rammed with rowdy peasants.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/06/northern-rail-industrial-action-called-off-after-conductor-guarantee0 -
Perhaps the most famous truth told in errorSeanT said:
I imagine Liam Neeson's account of his revenge fantasies were "perfectly accurate", but....NickPalmer said:
I suspect a lot of people in Britain, including some frustrated Leavers, will have thought his comments perfectly accurate.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, there is much that can be said about the timing, the manner, the wording etc, but not a word about him being wrong, because he wasn't.
You see the point.
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I suspect someone will suggest this might count though... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-KébirTheScreamingEagles said:You've never seen Dan Snow and myself in the same room have you?
https://twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/10932653492088872960
