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It was quite obvious, yes.TrèsDifficile said:
Tusk brought up hell. The devil rules hell and wields a trident. Wilson is calling him and his cabal the devil.NickPalmer said:Sammy Wilson mysteriously denounces Tusk and his "Trident-wielding cabal". Have we outsourced our nuclear deterrent to Brussels?
If we did Remain and we eventually had direct elections to European leadership positions, it would be a pleasure to be able to vote for Tusk.
Isn't that quite obvious?
Insane.
But obvious.0 -
He should have written trident-wielding, not Trident-wielding.TrèsDifficile said:
Tusk brought up hell. The devil rules hell and wields a trident. Wilson is calling him and his cabal the devil.NickPalmer said:Sammy Wilson mysteriously denounces Tusk and his "Trident-wielding cabal". Have we outsourced our nuclear deterrent to Brussels?
If we did Remain and we eventually had direct elections to European leadership positions, it would be a pleasure to be able to vote for Tusk.
Isn't that quite obvious?0 -
And of course, similarly, we gain hugely from being part of the Single Market.Fishing said:
That's one reason. Another, perhaps more important, economic reason is that the larger a country is, the more its industries reap various economies of scale. I won't weary people with the studies that show that (I looked at them professionally in another context a couple of years ago). But, other things being equal, large countries' industries are more innovative and dynamic than smaller ones.Sean_F said:
But, if you want a reason it's this. A country where rich people have some of their income redistributed to the poor is likely to be freer and safer for the rich to live in than a country where they don't.
So, London benefits hugely from being joined to the rest of the country.0 -
Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?felix said:
He is having a go at both sides there which rather does suggest he´s having a Liam Neeson moment.Scott_P said:
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.0 -
Mind you, out of ugliness can come beauty (& I don't mean the 2049 iteration).viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
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I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
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For you maybe. Those of us who leave our bedrooms get on famously with people on both sides of the Brexit debate.Scott_P said:
But, that's the very essence of Brexit...SeanT said:Hey, here's an idea Alastair. Stop "loathing" people you've never met and cannot know? It's not good for you. Really.
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I think Alistair's comment about mutual disdain and incomprehension was actually a reference to his attitude to democracy.david_herdson said:Because it's a massive misunderstanding to believe that 'Switzerland' generates its income and wealth independently of 'Portugal'.
Also, because 'Portugal' has 58 million people and 'Switzerland' has 8 million and, you know, democracy. You'd have thought that Brexit might have driven that home but no, like so much else about Brexit, all it's done is reinforce pre-existing prejudices rather than challenge them.0 -
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s0 -
Such a good job that the EU doesn't have the Bomb. The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction seems to be utterly alien to Donald "First Strike" Tusk.....SeanT said:So Tusk has just made No Deal a Racing Certainty. I can't help feeling that wasn't what he intended. Both sides have gone nuts.
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It scared the living shit out of my little sister...Sean_F said:
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
What's the Australian film in which a meteor strikes the North Atlantic and they have twelve(?) hours before the firestorm hits Stralia?0 -
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1093139098313900032Brom said:For you maybe. Those of us who leave our bedrooms get on famously with people on both sides of the Brexit debate.
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Anecdote: Am listening to some posh twit on the tube mansplain that No Deal is the “only ethical” outcome because “tariffs are immoral”, that we must become like Singapore, and that “businesses will fail but others will replace them in time”.
Just posting it here for amusement. I wonder if this is the mean Brexiter view?0 -
That should be true, but it isn't really reflected in the graduate applications my firm receives.AlastairMeeks said:
There is no shortage of would-be immigrants to London from around the world.Endillion said:
Portugal's kids end up as the next generation of key employees in Switzerland's industries.AlastairMeeks said:
Portugal needs to explain to Switzerland why it should care about them at all. With very different values and an attitude of mutual disdain and incomprehension, that's not at all obvious right now.Sean_F said:
That's been the case ever since poorer constituencies started returning Labour MP's, who got money transferred to their constituencies from richer areas of the country.AlastairMeeks said:
The lectures come the other way around. Britain is an economy like Switzerland's yoked to an economy like Portugal's. But Portugal seeks to dictate to Switzerland how it should spend its money, seeks to shackle its economy and complains about its values.Cyclefree said:
The dynamo part of the country - London, specifically, the City of London - is also the part of the country which damn nearly broke the economy in 2007-2008, which has cost the country a huge amount, is still costing it - RBS will never repay the money put into it - and which has disgusted many with the criminality and bad behaviour which has been exposed (and there is far more which has gone on than has ever been made public).
It is also arguable how much money the City actually makes for itself without the effective guarantee provided by the government for its operations. It is that guarantee for the retail side which enabled much of the casino banking to go on. I know that there have been changes since then to try and separate the two but I am not at all sure how effective they will be in practice should something like the 2008 financial crash happen again.
Frankly, a period of humility on its part is needed not lectures about how social cohesion requires other parts of the country to do what it wants and listen to lectures about how people outside London are losers.0 -
Even outwith the heat of the moment, expecting Sammy to get the nuances of capitalisation is a stretch.Richard_Nabavi said:
He should have written trident-wielding, not Trident-wielding.TrèsDifficile said:
Tusk brought up hell. The devil rules hell and wields a trident. Wilson is calling him and his cabal the devil.NickPalmer said:Sammy Wilson mysteriously denounces Tusk and his "Trident-wielding cabal". Have we outsourced our nuclear deterrent to Brussels?
If we did Remain and we eventually had direct elections to European leadership positions, it would be a pleasure to be able to vote for Tusk.
Isn't that quite obvious?0 -
Nice of you to admit Donald was wrong then ScottyScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1093139098313900032Brom said:For you maybe. Those of us who leave our bedrooms get on famously with people on both sides of the Brexit debate.
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He does get it and that's why leavers go into paroxysm of rage when he says it.Casino_Royale said:
Tusk just doesn't get it.Peter_the_Punter said:
In the splendid BBC series on Europe currently running, Tusk refers to '...the stupid Referendum', a phrase he used in front of Cameron apparently.eek said:When is May off to Brussels?
https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1093114893711093760
He could phrase it more diplomatically certainly but his central point is essentially correct - we are largely in the current mess because the Brexiteers never had a credible plan that they could all agree upon. There is no form of Brexit that the leavers themselves agree on let alone one the other half of the country or the EU might accept.0 -
Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.0
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I think you credit Tusk with too much influence. We're heading for No Deal and have been for some time - it's what the ERG and Jezza are desperate for. Yes, I'm sure some of that crowd will blame No Deal on Tusk's being beastly, but they were always going to find something else to blame no matter what, so the consequences of his utterance are actually none existent.SeanT said:
You do realise he's just gleefully and stupidly poured petrol all over the Brexit fire, with no idea what this might provoke, even as he claims it is the clueless Brexiteers causing chaos?nico67 said:Well said Tusk.
The poor Brexit snowflakes can’t handle the truth .
He has a history of losing it, and hysteria, when it comes to Brexit: remember he once said Brexit would be the end of western political civilisation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680
My guess it that Brexit offends him in some deep emotional way, like a kind of heresy (hence the talk of "hell" - a Freudian insight there). Also he looks like a man with a growing and fearful awareness that he might get some of the blame if No Deal happens. Even as he's just done his very best to make it happen.
A slightly troubled man has just made a very foolish remark. As someone says downthread, it is his Liam Neeson moment.0 -
Threads is one of the most frightening films ever produced, It doesn't rely on the supernatural, or stylish serial killers, it's low budget, entirely believable horror.viewcode said:
It scared the living shit out of my little sister...Sean_F said:
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
What's the Australian film in which a meteor strikes the North Atlantic and they have twelve(?) hours before the firestorm hits Stralia?0 -
Agree, but the change has to be in the actual Treaty.MaxPB said:Honestly if the PM can secure a legally binding time limit on the backstop then the deal goes from crap to good. The ERG would join the camp of traitorous pigdogs if they voted it down to try and force no deal. I might actually start to prefer remain over no deal just so they don't get their way.
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We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
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Worked for Trump...viewcode said:
He's fat, balding, in late middle age, his career aspirations have died, he's failed in all his jobs and relationships, and he's on his third wife. He seems to be damning himself, to be honest...gypsumfantastic said:Tusk has given me an idea for how we could re-unite the country.
A referendum on eternal damnation for Boris Johnson.0 -
This EU study says not:Foxy said:
And of course, similarly, we gain hugely from being part of the Single Market.Fishing said:
That's one reason. Another, perhaps more important, economic reason is that the larger a country is, the more its industries reap various economies of scale. I won't weary people with the studies that show that (I looked at them professionally in another context a couple of years ago). But, other things being equal, large countries' industries are more innovative and dynamic than smaller ones.Sean_F said:
But, if you want a reason it's this. A country where rich people have some of their income redistributed to the poor is likely to be freer and safer for the rich to live in than a country where they don't.
So, London benefits hugely from being joined to the rest of the country.
http://www.amchameu.eu/sites/default/files/amcham_eu_single_market_web.pdf
(see Table 7)
Unless you call 1.3% of GDP a huge amount (and obviously that's likely to be on the high side as it's an EU study) - I've also seen estimates of 0.75% and 0.5%.
Because, obviously, the EU single market isn't remotely comparable to the UK in terms of economic integration.
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And he hasn't said anything that has not been widely thought, and expressed here from time to time by posters representing a wide range of political viewpoints.Stark_Dawning said:
I think you credit Tusk with too much influence. We're heading for No Deal and have been for some time - it's what the ERG and Jezza are desperate for. Yes, I'm sure some of that crowd will blame No Deal on Tusk's being beastly, but they were always going to find something else to blame no matter what, so the consequences of his utterance are actually none existent.SeanT said:
You do realise he's just gleefully and stupidly poured petrol all over the Brexit fire, with no idea what this might provoke, even as he claims it is the clueless Brexiteers causing chaos?nico67 said:Well said Tusk.
The poor Brexit snowflakes can’t handle the truth .
He has a history of losing it, and hysteria, when it comes to Brexit: remember he once said Brexit would be the end of western political civilisation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680
My guess it that Brexit offends him in some deep emotional way, like a kind of heresy (hence the talk of "hell" - a Freudian insight there). Also he looks like a man with a growing and fearful awareness that he might get some of the blame if No Deal happens. Even as he's just done his very best to make it happen.
A slightly troubled man has just made a very foolish remark. As someone says downthread, it is his Liam Neeson moment.
In fact I thought the incompetence and lack of leadership on the Leave side since the referendum was a generally accepted truth.0 -
"She was a Remainer she took the view on becoming the PM that it was her duty to implement the result but at the same time to do so in a manner that would cause least damage to therkrkrk said:"She was a Remainer she took the view on becoming the PM that it was her duty to implement the result but at the same time to do so in a manner that would cause least damage to the economy."
She is certainly not prioritising the economy by taking us out of the single market and the customs union.economyConservative Party."
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I know I'm a sinner... But make me a winner...
:face-pray:
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No problem we can add him to the list:
1) Remainers
2) Not Brexity enough Brexiters
3) Keir Starmer
4) Homework-eating dog
5) All PB Remainers
6) Norway/Switzerland
7) The Peoples' Vote campaign
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Is it not precisely because it is a generally accepted truth that his words are causing such fury?Peter_the_Punter said:
And he hasn't said anything that has not been widely thought, and expressed here from time to time by posters representing a wide range of political viewpoints.Stark_Dawning said:
I think you credit Tusk with too much influence. We're heading for No Deal and have been for some time - it's what the ERG and Jezza are desperate for. Yes, I'm sure some of that crowd will blame No Deal on Tusk's being beastly, but they were always going to find something else to blame no matter what, so the consequences of his utterance are actually none existent.SeanT said:
You do realise he's just gleefully and stupidly poured petrol all over the Brexit fire, with no idea what this might provoke, even as he claims it is the clueless Brexiteers causing chaos?nico67 said:Well said Tusk.
The poor Brexit snowflakes can’t handle the truth .
He has a history of losing it, and hysteria, when it comes to Brexit: remember he once said Brexit would be the end of western political civilisation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680
My guess it that Brexit offends him in some deep emotional way, like a kind of heresy (hence the talk of "hell" - a Freudian insight there). Also he looks like a man with a growing and fearful awareness that he might get some of the blame if No Deal happens. Even as he's just done his very best to make it happen.
A slightly troubled man has just made a very foolish remark. As someone says downthread, it is his Liam Neeson moment.
In fact I thought the incompetence and lack of leadership on the Leave side since the referendum was a generally accepted truth.
Honestly, so much nonsense is being spoken. To the extent that anything is happening, it's happening between politicians. If they can't negotiate and make decisions effectively without being able to put to one side each other's view of the other, they're in the wrong job.0 -
I literally didn't. I appreciate that you're a writer, but reading is something you might wish to take up.SeanT said:
Alastair, just stop. Go home. Have a cup of tea. Your stream of tweets over the last two or three days have just been embarrassing and mortifying - for you. Last night you literally called yourself "one of society's dynamos". Today you are gleefully loathing millions of your fellow citizens, apparently because they are poorer than you.AlastairMeeks said:
We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
This is just sad. You are clearly a decent chap, but maybe experiencing some turmoil? Stop it now. Take a break. Come back refreshed.
If I was spitting out comments like yours, I would hope a kindly PB-er would take me aside, and give me the same advice.0 -
The UK Parliament voted for a deal with one simple change. A change that will happen anyway in a no deal scenario. If there is no deal now then that is because Tusk and others have chosen it.Stark_Dawning said:
I think you credit Tusk with too much influence. We're heading for No Deal and have been for some time - it's what the ERG and Jezza are desperate for. Yes, I'm sure some of that crowd will blame No Deal on Tusk's being beastly, but they were always going to find something else to blame no matter what, so the consequences of his utterance are actually none existent.SeanT said:
You do realise he's just gleefully and stupidly poured petrol all over the Brexit fire, with no idea what this might provoke, even as he claims it is the clueless Brexiteers causing chaos?nico67 said:Well said Tusk.
The poor Brexit snowflakes can’t handle the truth .
He has a history of losing it, and hysteria, when it comes to Brexit: remember he once said Brexit would be the end of western political civilisation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680
My guess it that Brexit offends him in some deep emotional way, like a kind of heresy (hence the talk of "hell" - a Freudian insight there). Also he looks like a man with a growing and fearful awareness that he might get some of the blame if No Deal happens. Even as he's just done his very best to make it happen.
A slightly troubled man has just made a very foolish remark. As someone says downthread, it is his Liam Neeson moment.
They wanted the backstop, they're not getting it. Oh well sucks to be them. They have a choice no backstop and no deal or no backstop but the rest of the deal. If it's no deal that's their choice.0 -
Tusk is an experienced negotiator, and I'm sure he must have thought hard about the effects of his comment. I can see two reasons for him to make it.Stark_Dawning said:
I think you credit Tusk with too much influence. We're heading for No Deal and have been for some time - it's what the ERG and Jezza are desperate for. Yes, I'm sure some of that crowd will blame No Deal on Tusk's being beastly, but they were always going to find something else to blame no matter what, so the consequences of his utterance are actually none existent.SeanT said:
You do realise he's just gleefully and stupidly poured petrol all over the Brexit fire, with no idea what this might provoke, even as he claims it is the clueless Brexiteers causing chaos?nico67 said:Well said Tusk.
The poor Brexit snowflakes can’t handle the truth .
He has a history of losing it, and hysteria, when it comes to Brexit: remember he once said Brexit would be the end of western political civilisation?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36515680
My guess it that Brexit offends him in some deep emotional way, like a kind of heresy (hence the talk of "hell" - a Freudian insight there). Also he looks like a man with a growing and fearful awareness that he might get some of the blame if No Deal happens. Even as he's just done his very best to make it happen.
A slightly troubled man has just made a very foolish remark. As someone says downthread, it is his Liam Neeson moment.
Firstly, given that the negotiations have reached such an impasse, he might have decided that there is nothing to lose from dropping the odd verbal grenade and that just possibly the pieces might fall in a more favourable position. It's an act of desperation after all else has failed.
Secondly, his comment gives the impression that the EU have given up on any sort of deal, thus winding up the pressure on the UK HOC to compromise. The EU is walking towards the door, and the UK has one last chance to shout, "Wait!"0 -
Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
Sean_F said:
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
Hello - I am sending you a vm.
Thanks.
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viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.
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Mr. Meeks, makes me think of Harry Enfield.
"I am considerably less sinful than yow."0 -
I believe in original sin and with that in mind I'm looking to make my sins as original as possible.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, makes me think of Harry Enfield.
"I am considerably less sinful than yow."0 -
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.0 -
Has Arlene opined about the fate of "sinners" yet?
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A tangible outcome of Tusk's comment is likely to be an increase in the polling for No Deal. A shot in the arm for the Fuck 'Em Tendency.
It is unlikely to increase the numbers of MPs prepared to swallow hard and support May's Shit Deal.0 -
Isn't it obvious? It's an attempt at a wake-up call and to force matters to a head. He would be well-aware that the Leavers would go into meltdown. Those that are potentially open to doing a deal are being spurred on to consider their terms. Those that are not will be flushed out definitively. And erstwhile Remainers who see some form of controlled management of Brexit or who want a second referendum are being pushed to stand up now.Richard_Nabavi said:Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
AlastairMeeks said:
I literally didn't. I appreciate that you're a writer, but reading is something you might wish to take up.SeanT said:
Alastair, just stop. Go home. Have a cup of tea. Your stream of tweets over the last two or three days have just been embarrassing and mortifying - for you. Last night you literally called yourself "one of society's dynamos". Today you are gleefully loathing millions of your fellow citizens, apparently because they are poorer than you.AlastairMeeks said:
We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
This is just sad. You are clearly a decent chap, but maybe experiencing some turmoil? Stop it now. Take a break. Come back refreshed.
If I was spitting out comments like yours, I would hope a kindly PB-er would take me aside, and give me the same advice. 0 -
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.0 -
Exactly.AlastairMeeks said:
Isn't it obvious? It's an attempt at a wake-up call and to force matters to a head. He would be well-aware that the Leavers would go into meltdown. Those that are potentially open to doing a deal are being spurred on to consider their terms. Those that are not will be flushed out definitively. And erstwhile Remainers who see some form of controlled management of Brexit or who want a second referendum are being pushed to stand up now.Richard_Nabavi said:Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
I'd worry about your own postings, insight (and/or lack thereof) and understanding before opining on others'.SeanT said:
Ah well, I tried to help.AlastairMeeks said:
I literally didn't. I appreciate that you're a writer, but reading is something you might wish to take up.SeanT said:
Alastair, just stop. Go home. Have a cup of tea. Your stream of tweets over the last two or three days have just been embarrassing and mortifying - for you. Last night you literally called yourself "one of society's dynamos". Today you are gleefully loathing millions of your fellow citizens, apparently because they are poorer than you.AlastairMeeks said:
We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
This is just sad. You are clearly a decent chap, but maybe experiencing some turmoil? Stop it now. Take a break. Come back refreshed.
If I was spitting out comments like yours, I would hope a kindly PB-er would take me aside, and give me the same advice.0 -
"If I was spitting out comments like yours..."SeanT said:
Alastair, just stop. Go home. Have a cup of tea. Your stream of tweets over the last two or three days have just been embarrassing and mortifying - for you. Last night you literally called yourself "one of society's dynamos". Today you are gleefully loathing millions of your fellow citizens, apparently because they are poorer than you.AlastairMeeks said:
We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
This is just sad. You are clearly a decent chap, but maybe experiencing some turmoil? Stop it now. Take a break. Come back refreshed.
If I was spitting out comments like yours, I would hope a kindly PB-er would take me aside, and give me the same advice.
Do you genuinely erase from your memory all those time you have been, shall we say, less than temperate?
Never mind 'offer you advice', kindly PB-ers know to steer well clear. Alastair is a paragon of moderation in comparison.0 -
Cheer us all up and say you'd quit politics, Greg.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
2nd ref odds drifting. On second thoughts maybe we need to let Donald speak more often!0
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https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1093143359261196288
Insofar as it was ever a real thing, that doesn't bode well for Jezza's 'elect us and we'll negotiate a better deal' bollox.0 -
Parliament has decided terms it can ratify a deal on already.AlastairMeeks said:
Isn't it obvious? It's an attempt at a wake-up call and to force matters to a head. He would be well-aware that the Leavers would go into meltdown. Those that are potentially open to doing a deal are being spurred on to consider their terms. Those that are not will be flushed out definitively. And erstwhile Remainers who see some form of controlled management of Brexit or who want a second referendum are being pushed to stand up now.Richard_Nabavi said:Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
I think Alastair's explanation is probably right. It could be combined with some kind of concession on the backstop tomorrow, but we shall see.SeanT said:
Yes, I speculated about that on Twitter. Did he plan it, if so, why? Does he actively want No Deal? - that would seem to be the obvious result of his stoking the fires so recklessly.Richard_Nabavi said:Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
I had no idea they grew so much cabbage in heaven.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.0 -
Well, the same might also be said the other way. Why should Portugal care about Switzerland is just as valid a question. Indeed, it was a question I posed a while back.AlastairMeeks said:
Portugal needs to explain to Switzerland why it should care about them at all. With very different values and an attitude of mutual disdain and incomprehension, that's not at all obvious right now.Sean_F said:
That's been the case ever since poorer constituencies started returning Labour MP's, who got money transferred to their constituencies from richer areas of the country.AlastairMeeks said:
The lectures come the other way around. Britain is an economy like Switzerland's yoked to an economy like Portugal's. But Portugal seeks to dictate to Switzerland how it should spend its money, seeks to shackle its economy and complains about its values.Cyclefree said:
The dynamo part of the country - London, specifically, the City of London - is also the part of the country which damn nearly broke the economy in 2007-2008, which has cost the country a huge amount, is still costing it - RBS will never repay the money put into it - and which has disgusted many with the criminality and bad behaviour which has been exposed (and there is far more which has gone on than has ever been made public).AlastairMeeks said:
Oh I just have no time for people who mewl and puke about how unfair it is that the limited resources should be spent on the bits of the country that actually make money, while voting to reduce those limited resources because foreigners.TrèsDifficile said:
It is also arguable how much money the City actually makes for itself without the effective guarantee provided by the government for its operations. It is that guarantee for the retail side which enabled much of the casino banking to go on. I know that there have been changes since then to try and separate the two but I am not at all sure how effective they will be in practice should something like the 2008 financial crash happen again.
Frankly, a period of humility on its part is needed not lectures about how social cohesion requires other parts of the country to do what it wants and listen to lectures about how people outside London are losers.
See http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/01/20/cyclefree-asks-are-banks-the-new-unions/
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More to the point, in a Tusk like piece of undiplomacy, you have alienated every PB pedant.Benpointer said:
"If I was spitting out comments like yours..."SeanT said:
Alastair, just stop. Go home. Have a cup of tea. Your stream of tweets over the last two or three days have just been embarrassing and mortifying - for you. Last night you literally called yourself "one of society's dynamos". Today you are gleefully loathing millions of your fellow citizens, apparently because they are poorer than you.AlastairMeeks said:
We are all in the gutter, but Leavers are looking at the gutter.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, my fellow sinners.
This is just sad. You are clearly a decent chap, but maybe experiencing some turmoil? Stop it now. Take a break. Come back refreshed.
If I was spitting out comments like yours, I would hope a kindly PB-er would take me aside, and give me the same advice.
Do you genuinely erase from your memory all those time you have been, shall we say, less than temperate?
Never mind 'offer you advice', kindly PB-ers know to steer well clear. Alastair is a paragon of moderation in comparison.
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I don't delude myself. I would be OK with leave with a plan and a WA. That is not what we are going to get.Richard_Tyndall said:
Rubbish. Leavers did have a realistic and reasonable plan but May decided that being a xenophobe was more important than anything else in the negotiations. So the sensible plans were ignored and we had the ridiculous mess that May has driven us in to.Cyclefree said:Tusk is right, though, however tactless he may have been in spelling it out.
It is embarrassing watching May turn up to "negotiate" something she agreed to a few weeks ago when any likely result of such "negotiations" will be another defeat in Parliament.
The Leavers have had no realistic or realisable plan.
I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, if they had a plan.
But they don't. And are now blaming everyone else for their own failure.
That I cannot forgive.
The result will almost certainly be a disastrously chaotic exit with who knows what economic, political and social consequences, long-term damage to Britain's reputation as a stable, competent polity, harm to other European countries, a Corbyn government and the likely destruction of the Tory party (which is a shame for those decent Tories - both MPs and voters - out there, if not for anyone else).
And all this despite having two options which would help us climb out of this mess - revocation of Article 50 or a further referendum to decide what we want to do now, in light of the facts as they are now, in the real world, not what people thought prior to 23 June 2016, let alone the facts inside some peoples' heads.
When you're drowning in an icy lake you take the stick proffered to you, no matter how covered in shit it may be.
And your two 'options' are both code for Remain, however much you might delude yourself about it.
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It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.0 -
Let's hope he is an arsehole with a plan, because at the moment...Richard_Nabavi said:
I think Alastair's explanation is probably right. It could be combined with some kind of concession on the backstop tomorrow, but we shall see.SeanT said:
Yes, I speculated about that on Twitter. Did he plan it, if so, why? Does he actively want No Deal? - that would seem to be the obvious result of his stoking the fires so recklessly.Richard_Nabavi said:Tusk's #DanteGate comment doesn't look like a mis-speak. It looks premeditated, because he (or someone on his team) immediately repeated it in a tweet - and that was the only bit of his press summary which was tweeted at the time.
So he was trying to achieve something with this.0 -
Rubbish back at you, Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
Rubbish. Leavers did have a realistic and reasonable plan but May decided that being a xenophobe was more important than anything else in the negotiations. So the sensible plans were ignored and we had the ridiculous mess that May has driven us in to.Cyclefree said:Tusk is right, though, however tactless he may have been in spelling it out.
It is embarrassing watching May turn up to "negotiate" something she agreed to a few weeks ago when any likely result of such "negotiations" will be another defeat in Parliament.
The Leavers have had no realistic or realisable plan.
I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, if they had a plan.
But they don't. And are now blaming everyone else for their own failure.
That I cannot forgive.
The result will almost certainly be a disastrously chaotic exit with who knows what economic, political and social consequences, long-term damage to Britain's reputation as a stable, competent polity, harm to other European countries, a Corbyn government and the likely destruction of the Tory party (which is a shame for those decent Tories - both MPs and voters - out there, if not for anyone else).
And all this despite having two options which would help us climb out of this mess - revocation of Article 50 or a further referendum to decide what we want to do now, in light of the facts as they are now, in the real world, not what people thought prior to 23 June 2016, let alone the facts inside some peoples' heads.
When you're drowning in an icy lake you take the stick proffered to you, no matter how covered in shit it may be.
And your two 'options' are both code for Remain, however much you might delude yourself about it.
A minority of leavers had a realistic plan. They have never been in the driving seat.0 -
Yes because when Farage says something Ian Dunt would never reply with an angry tweet. Farage was fairly measured by his standards.Scott_P said:
Fantastic satire from Dunty.0 -
Drive more slowly?TOPPING said:
It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.0 -
Indeed so. Much of investment banking is not and never was profitable. The tax revenues were froth and not sustainable. And this is something that is routinely ignored by many of those who think that London earns its money, independent of the rest of the country and is simply a source of funds rather than also a drain on the country's resources.kinabalu said:
You are if anything too kind about the City, or at least the part of it that I worked in - investment banking.Cyclefree said:The dynamo part of the country - London, specifically, the City of London - is also the part of the country which damn nearly broke the economy in 2007-2008, which has cost the country a huge amount, is still costing it - RBS will never repay the money put into it - and which has disgusted many with the criminality and bad behaviour which has been exposed (and there is far more which has gone on than has ever been made public).
It is also arguable how much money the City actually makes for itself without the effective guarantee provided by the government for its operations. It is that guarantee for the retail side which enabled much of the casino banking to go on. I know that there have been changes since then to try and separate the two but I am not at all sure how effective they will be in practice should something like the 2008 financial crash happen again.
Frankly, a period of humility on its part is needed not lectures about how social cohesion requires other parts of the country to do what it wants and listen to lectures about how people outside London are losers.
I did that for quite some time and was often possessed by a feeling of absurdity at the amount of money routinely 'earned' by people (including myself) for doing stuff that was (i) not particularly difficult and (ii) not particularly useful. I would describe it as not so much a career as grand larceny.
As to the implicit state guarantee of the sector, yes, that is effectively an enormous government subsidy. If it was priced and charged for at commercial 3rd party (credit swap) rates the IB bottom line, ceteris paribus, would not be a pretty sight.
There is also the opportunity cost of having so much talent sucked into the City as opposed to other industries/sectors.
I am not often accused of being too kind about investment banking. I spent decades investigating and pursuing its crooks. If anything, I am far too cynical.0 -
Caught a bit of Liam's interview yesterday in which he made it clear that revenge not race was the driver for his desire, back then, to kill a random black man.brendan16 said:Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.
If his friend's attacker had been Lithuanian, he stressed, he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate a Lithuanian man.
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Looking at the flames lapping at MayDay's rear in the portrait above, it seems that Mike's artist daughter-in-law foresaw Tusky's hellish comparison.-1
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Mr. Brom, the odds have been drifting for a while. Think it was 3 or 4 the last time I checked.0
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Richard, you will have to tell us what this 'realistic plan' was. I can't say I ever saw one, and I was looking.Nigelb said:
Rubbish back at you, Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
Rubbish. Leavers did have a realistic and reasonable plan but May decided that being a xenophobe was more important than anything else in the negotiations. So the sensible plans were ignored and we had the ridiculous mess that May has driven us in to.Cyclefree said:Tusk is right, though, however tactless he may have been in spelling it out.
It is embarrassing watching May turn up to "negotiate" something she agreed to a few weeks ago when any likely result of such "negotiations" will be another defeat in Parliament.
The Leavers have had no realistic or realisable plan.
I was prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt, if they had a plan.
But they don't. And are now blaming everyone else for their own failure.
That I cannot forgive.
The result will almost certainly be a disastrously chaotic exit with who knows what economic, political and social consequences, long-term damage to Britain's reputation as a stable, competent polity, harm to other European countries, a Corbyn government and the likely destruction of the Tory party (which is a shame for those decent Tories - both MPs and voters - out there, if not for anyone else).
And all this despite having two options which would help us climb out of this mess - revocation of Article 50 or a further referendum to decide what we want to do now, in light of the facts as they are now, in the real world, not what people thought prior to 23 June 2016, let alone the facts inside some peoples' heads.
When you're drowning in an icy lake you take the stick proffered to you, no matter how covered in shit it may be.
And your two 'options' are both code for Remain, however much you might delude yourself about it.
A minority of leavers had a realistic plan. They have never been in the driving seat.
No Deal is realistic, at least in the sense it can be put into practice, so I guess it is a plan of sorts, but I guess that wasn't what you had in mind?0 -
In the spirit of Leaver/Remainer cordiality I didn't dare suggest that.Richard_Nabavi said:
Drive more slowly?TOPPING said:
It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.
Edit: I remember this - https://gov.uk/government/news/country-roads-deadlier-than-you-think0 -
The Tusk comment, however justified, was deeply unfortunate.
It offers No Deal Brexiteers encouragement - and assistance in shifting the blame for its consequences onto the unreasonable EU.0 -
TOPPING said:
It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.
And it's way off the A Roads you need to be in Lincolnshire, and without any sense of rush. It is huge with amazing variety, history, buildings and space. Lots of sky. Takes your mind off Brexit.
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Out to 5.2 now. A lot of outward movement ever since the Cooper amendment was defeated and a further nudge out today.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brom, the odds have been drifting for a while. Think it was 3 or 4 the last time I checked.
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Ha! Should have noticed your user name!algarkirk said:TOPPING said:
It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.
And it's way off the A Roads you need to be in Lincolnshire, and without any sense of rush. It is huge with amazing variety, history, buildings and space. Lots of sky. Takes your mind off Brexit.0 -
Mr. Brom, ah I think you're speaking of Betfair and I'm talking about Ladbrokes.
Not the first time an EU disagreement has been down to talking at cross purposes
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If his friend's attacker had been an Irishman, presumably he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate an Irishman?kinabalu said:
Caught a bit of Liam's interview yesterday in which he made it clear that revenge not race was the driver for his desire, back then, to kill a random black man.brendan16 said:Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.
If his friend's attacker had been Lithuanian, he stressed, he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate a Lithuanian man.
Fair enough.
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He have thrown himself off the top of the local NCP multistory, obviously._Anazina_ said:
If his friend's attacker had been an Irishman, presumably he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate an Irishman?kinabalu said:
Caught a bit of Liam's interview yesterday in which he made it clear that revenge not race was the driver for his desire, back then, to kill a random black man.brendan16 said:Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.
If his friend's attacker had been Lithuanian, he stressed, he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate a Lithuanian man.
Fair enough.0 -
Isn't that exactly what happened for 30 years?_Anazina_ said:
If his friend's attacker had been an Irishman, presumably he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate an Irishman?kinabalu said:
Caught a bit of Liam's interview yesterday in which he made it clear that revenge not race was the driver for his desire, back then, to kill a random black man.brendan16 said:Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.
If his friend's attacker had been Lithuanian, he stressed, he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate a Lithuanian man.
Fair enough.0 -
Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
Leave well alone!TOPPING said:
It's an agriculturally rich county what can you do?MarqueeMark said:
But a county without a motorway. And most of the A-roads are death traps. Fast cars and slow moving agricultural machinery driven by the village idiot do not make happy bedfellows. I have twice been almost an ex-poster here thanks to crazy tractor manoeuvres.TOPPING said:
It does have Richard Tyndall there so make of that what you will. That said you are right, much of it is beautiful.algarkirk said:viewcode said:
Lancashire has some pretty bits. Lincolnshire has Lincoln, which is nice. But Middlesbrough is unrecoverable. It makes your heart cry. It's like the worse parts of Essex without the quick train to London.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yorkshire is God's own county.gypsumfantastic said:
I would challenge you to find a remainer in the country who hasn't said far worse about the brexiteer brain trust than merely demanding eternal damnation in Yorkshire.TGOHF said:Mafia capo makes threats shock.
Tusks actions look part of a wider strategy to intimidate other countries who might think about leaving rather than Brexit. He's certainly not helping the Remain clause.
If you want damnation I suggest Lancashire, Lincolnshire, or Middlesbrough.
Lincolnshire is the most under estimated and unvisited county in England. Much of it is pure heaven. Looks like most people plan to stay away and keep it that way. I visit as often as I can.
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Are they? I don't recall people saying that there are places in hell for their political opponents in normal discourse.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
He said he'd do just that; terminate an Irishman.Anorak said:
He have thrown himself off the top of the local NCP multistory, obviously._Anazina_ said:
If his friend's attacker had been an Irishman, presumably he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate an Irishman?kinabalu said:
Caught a bit of Liam's interview yesterday in which he made it clear that revenge not race was the driver for his desire, back then, to kill a random black man.brendan16 said:Tusk does look a bit like Liam Neeson as well. So if they need to replace Neeson in any films he has already shot perhaps they could use Donald as a body double?
Of course one of Neeson's most famous roles was playing Michael Collins - who won Ireland its freedom but in doing so made compromises which led to civil war and his ultimate death.
If his friend's attacker had been Lithuanian, he stressed, he would have been motivated to seek out and terminate a Lithuanian man.
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Ah, but we'll be free from the tentacles of the undemocratic, unaccountable, federalist EUSSR!! So worth it. Also, Selmayrs basically Hitler without the moustache or charisma.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
Political opponents in normal discourse are rarely as purely evil as brexit.RobD said:
Are they? I don't recall people saying that there are places in hell for their political opponents in normal discourse.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
The DUP are, I agree not normal discourse. I got the distinct impression, though, that Tusk has had more than enough of people agreeing something after long and detailed negotiations and then coming back and saying they've changed their minds.RobD said:
Are they? I don't recall people saying that there are places in hell for their political opponents in normal discourse.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
Four weddings and seven billion funerals?viewcode said:
It scared the living shit out of my little sister...Sean_F said:
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
What's the Australian film in which a meteor strikes the North Atlantic and they have twelve(?) hours before the firestorm hits Stralia?0 -
Parliament never agreed to the backstopOldKingCole said:
The DUP are, I agree not not,mal discourse. I got the distinct impression, though, that Tusk has had more than enough of people agreeing something after long and detailed negotiations and then coming back and saying they've changed their minds.RobD said:
Are they? I don't recall people saying that there are places in hell for their political opponents in normal discourse.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
I just think it's unnecessarily personal. I don't think the government has changed its mind, it was instructed by parliament that the deal was unacceptable. There is still time for them to change their mind though.OldKingCole said:
The DUP are, I agree not not,mal discourse. I got the distinct impression, though, that Tusk has had more than enough of people agreeing something after long and detailed negotiations and then coming back and saying they've changed their minds.RobD said:
Are they? I don't recall people saying that there are places in hell for their political opponents in normal discourse.OldKingCole said:Having finished a) an energetic gym session, b) an enjoyable, if short walk (since that's all I can manage at the moment and c) an excellent homemade soup and sandwich lunch I put on the TV for the ITV News and heard Donald Tusks's remarks, which, IMHO are entirely justified. The poor man, and his colleagues, are clearly totally fed up with British shilly-shallying.
The only coherent 'plan' is coherent is the right word, I have heard from Leavers is that of cutting all ties at one feel swoop and letting nature take its course thereafter.
Which is generally, or at least 86%, agreed will lead to short-term at least disaster and long term misery.0 -
Four weddings and a barbie, mate.SandyRentool said:
Four weddings and seven billion funerals?viewcode said:
It scared the living shit out of my little sister...Sean_F said:
Threads would be considered too optimistic by the People's Vote Campaign.viewcode said:
I was thinking more "Threads" directed by Eli Roth...Theuniondivvie said:
Something along these lines?williamglenn said:
Gove apparently wants a shock advertising campaign on TV to warn about No Deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait until they get to Michael Gove's reported position.AlastairMeeks said:One of the oddest features of Brexit is that as the negotiations have got more and more shambolic and further and further away from the promised Shangri La, Leavers have got steadily more and more extreme in their hatred of the EU and more and more certain that Brexit is the true path.
That sustained No Deal means we rejoin within a decade.
That'll be a glorious realisation.
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1092835757650337792
https://youtu.be/9SqRNUUOk7s
What's the Australian film in which a meteor strikes the North Atlantic and they have twelve(?) hours before the firestorm hits Stralia?0 -
"Tax on business" said Buffett about IB. Which it is.Cyclefree said:Indeed so. Much of investment banking is not and never was profitable. The tax revenues were froth and not sustainable. And this is something that is routinely ignored by many of those who think that London earns its money, independent of the rest of the country and is simply a source of funds rather than also a drain on the country's resources.
There is also the opportunity cost of having so much talent sucked into the City as opposed to other industries/sectors.
I am not often accused of being too kind about investment banking. I spent decades investigating and pursuing its crooks. If anything, I am far too cynical.
Have bolded the sentence above because it is IMO one of the very biggest negatives of having a bloated financial sector.
A lot of IB is a con. It pretends to be risk-taking and operating in an ultra free market. In fact the risks are to others and there is more cartel than competition. The sector is actually cossetted and inefficient and MASSIVELY over-remunerated, although if you work there it is important, to preserve self-esteem, to kid yourself otherwise.
"I made £20m for the bank last year so I deserve a £1m bonus. That's still £19m for the bank, right?"
Mmm, except that -
- Anybody bright and robust could have done it with the right training.
- You have used the bank's balance sheet.
- And been supported by all of the bank's middle and back office, staff and IT.
- You already have a big salary.
- If you had lost money there would be no negative bonus.
Joke, it really is. I benefited but it bugged me then and it still bugs me now.0 -
Nice to see the Lib Dems described as "no political force and no effective leadership". Tusk is a smart cookie.Theuniondivvie said:https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1093143359261196288
Insofar as it was ever a real thing, that doesn't bode well for Jezza's 'elect us and we'll negotiate a better deal' bollox.0 -
Tusk wasn't, I think 'getting at' May. He was, though getting at those like the ERG and DUP for whom nothing is acceptable, and who are unable to accept that in negotiations such as these 'half a loaf' is the best you are going to get.0
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Just to say that the No Dealers will be moving in next door to the Papists.GIN1138 said:Has Arlene opined about the fate of "sinners" yet?
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Mr. Thompson, aye. The UK hasn't reneged on anything because the UK never backed the proposed deal in the Commons.
May, on the other hand, might have. But that's not the same thing.0 -
Bit hard on Nicola.SandyRentool said:
Nice to see the Lib Dems described as "no political force and no effective leadership". Tusk is a smart cookie.Theuniondivvie said:https://twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1093143359261196288
Insofar as it was ever a real thing, that doesn't bode well for Jezza's 'elect us and we'll negotiate a better deal' bollox.0 -
No Loaf Brexit!OldKingCole said:Tusk wasn't, I think 'getting at' May. He was, though getting at those like the ERG and DUP for whom nothing is acceptable, and who are unable to accept that in negotiations such as these 'half a loaf' is the best you are going to get.
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The ERG and DUP voted to back the deal with one small change. A change that happens anyway if there's no deal.OldKingCole said:Tusk wasn't, I think 'getting at' May. He was, though getting at those like the ERG and DUP for whom nothing is acceptable, and who are unable to accept that in negotiations such as these 'half a loaf' is the best you are going to get.
It's clear who the hardliners are.0
