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Mr. Evershed, highly unlikely. If the Commons actually went to the stage of having another referendum, they'd include, if remotely possible, Remain as an option.0
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Fair enough - if May backs Brady then the govt should table the amendment.williamglenn said:0 -
Certainly a lot of Anglo Saxon spoken on PB with the additional asterisk letter used.OldKingCole said:
We do speak a sort of German.Theuniondivvie said:
We've escaped assimilation into the Germanosphere by the skin of our teeth.williamglenn said:
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?Theuniondivvie said:
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, Piers Morgan is a moron. However, Greer may be 'courteous' but he's also the author of this, as you may've seen:
https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1088871720382091264
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
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Tezzie needs to tell the Moggster to do one, rule out No Deal and talk to Jezza pronto.williamglenn said:0 -
So...the EU cracked on the backstop yet? It's almost as though they have meant what they have said all along, silly though it is.0
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The Unionists start with 49% and the Nationalists 41%, as at June 2017.Casino_Royale said:
I could be wrong but I suspect that nationalist vote for reunification is actually very soft. There's way too much swinging for the various options there.williamglenn said:
And when should she schedule the border poll?Philip_Thompson said:
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.Scott_P said:
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
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😰Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fenster, if we did have another, I might just decide to stay up for the results...
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I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives
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I stayed up for the last one.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fenster, if we did have another, I might just decide to stay up for the results...
In all honesty, I just want it sorted. 99% of the people in our business want it sorted. Everyone we speak to, printers, paper mills, customers... they just all want Brexit done now to end the uncertainty.
The politicians can argue the finer details afterwards. Just get it fucking done.0 -
What part of 'the government can't remove the backstop' do these nutters not understand??0
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Guardian also reporting Labour support for Cooper amendment is in doubt.
Have we gone from three amendments looking like passing to none?0 -
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop:Oh....ok then.....
Not going to happen.
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Mr. Royale, what emoji is that?
Mr. Fenster, I agree that a lot of people, perhaps a majority, feel that way.0 -
Guardian reporting that John Trckett has said that Cooper's amendment does not respect the vote and most likely the party will allow a free vote0
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Piers Morgan keeps meeting these so-called Killer Women. I watch it religiously, but not one of them has done him in yet. I'm beginning to feel cheated.....Theuniondivvie said:
Not sure if any classes have come out of it with any credit.MarqueeMark said:
Brexit has shown our entire political class - on both sides of the argument - to be unfit for purpose.Casino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Our media for one..
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/10898685687018209280 -
The Evershed family name was Everesheved back in the 1200s and is Anglo Saxon for Wild Boer's Head.David_Evershed said:
Certainly a lot of Anglo Saxon spoken on PB with the additional asterisk letter used.OldKingCole said:
We do speak a sort of German.Theuniondivvie said:
We've escaped assimilation into the Germanosphere by the skin of our teeth.williamglenn said:
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?Theuniondivvie said:
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, Piers Morgan is a moron. However, Greer may be 'courteous' but he's also the author of this, as you may've seen:
https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1088871720382091264
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
Ich bin ein Anglo Saxoner.0 -
Do I need to know this? Ignorance is bliss.Beverley_C said:
I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives0 -
Brexit is only a factor in what is really a pretty polarised population based on cultural identity.Sean_F said:
The Unionists start with 49% and the Nationalists 41%, as at June 2017.Casino_Royale said:
I could be wrong but I suspect that nationalist vote for reunification is actually very soft. There's way too much swinging for the various options there.williamglenn said:
And when should she schedule the border poll?Philip_Thompson said:
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.Scott_P said:
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
It would matter at the margins but I wouldn't expect radical movement across that in a border poll, even for a No Deal Brexit.0 -
And when recalcitrant Conservative MP's take a moment to reflect at the crunch point I am hoping they will realise that there are far greater stakes than Brexit in play.SandyRentool said:
There are enough May loyalists, Tory wets and Labour respecters of the referendum result to get a deal through.
Get a deal through and there is grist to the mill for Tories GE campaigns for many years. There will so much anger and resentment at the EU to be mined.
Labour in the same scenario will be riven as they fight to determine whether they become a party of rejoining or not.
However, if Brexit is over-turned then I think the Tories are finished in the near term.
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You will never look at guacamole in the same way again!Casino_Royale said:
Do I need to know this? Ignorance is bliss.Beverley_C said:
I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives
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Sweating/stressed fsce, I think.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Royale, what emoji is that?
Mr. Fenster, I agree that a lot of people, perhaps a majority, feel that way.0 -
Mr. Royale, ah, cheers.0
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And for all ninteen amendments to be withdrawn for fear of being shown to lack support?ralphmalph said:Guardian also reporting Labour support for Cooper amendment is in doubt.
Have we gone from three amendments looking like passing to none?0 -
The following have all been true since last summer:
1) The ERG and the DUP will never support a deal with a backstop
2) The EU will never agree a withdrawal agreement without a backstop
3) Labour will not support a deal under any circumstances.
Here we are, endless displacement activity in full view, and yet every single one of those three statements is a completely true as it has ever been.
Nothing has changed.0 -
Whats happening with Grieve/Spelman ?0
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3 is not true. The vast majority of our MPs respect the referendum result.gypsumfantastic said:The following have all been true since last summer:
1) The ERG and the DUP will never support a deal with a backstop
2) The EU will never agree a withdrawal agreement without a backstop
3) Labour will not support a deal under any circumstances.
Here we are, endless displacement activity in full view, and yet every single one of those three statements is a completely true as it has ever been.
Nothing has changed.0 -
Parliament's desire to substitute infinite displacement activity in lieu of making a decision is pretty fecund.David_Evershed said:
And for all ninteen amendments to be withdrawn for fear of being shown to lack support?ralphmalph said:Guardian also reporting Labour support for Cooper amendment is in doubt.
Have we gone from three amendments looking like passing to none?0 -
Please, stop.SouthamObserver said:
You will never look at guacamole in the same way again!Casino_Royale said:
Do I need to know this? Ignorance is bliss.Beverley_C said:
I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives0 -
Iain Dale's Twitter pic of Yvette Cooper's GE door-drop is a work of art.0
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Thank you, this is helpful. If I cannot come up with a redeeming feature (and not admitting defeat yet) I may be able to think of an 'Esmerelda', i.e. an individual in British public life who is even less palatable than Piers. Watch this space.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Kinabalu, a quote from The Adventures of Sir Edric*:
“Neptunia, a foul witch, an appallingly ugly creature and a worker of the darkest magics. She’s also my sister-in-law. Still, she’s better than that rotten hag Esmerelda.”
“But she’s your wife!” Colin protested. “Surely Esmerelda must have some virtues?”
Sir Edric considered the matter for a moment. “Mortality.”
Switching the subject away from the most unsavoury character in Britain today until proved otherwise, I was struck by the comparison down the thread of some of the ERG ultras to Arthur Scargill, in the sense that perhaps it all about the struggle - and perhaps that means more to them than the outcome.
I think this is probably true and, if it is. it should not be sneered at. I always try to empathize and in this case it is not difficult. Once I worked on a particularly interesting and challenging project (details not important except to stress that it was almost certainly legal), one that really got a hold of me, and when it was finally over, team disbanded, goodbyes said, I felt flat and empty - and rather pointless - for quite some time afterwards.
Easy to imagine the likes of Bridgen and Francois and Dorries feeling that way if Brexit ever happens.0 -
TM meeting with her mps just started to a room so full Steve Baker couldn't get in
- so he has walked off !!!!!!!!0 -
If Labour had any intention of supporting a deal, they'd not have drafted six tests to make it impossible.SandyRentool said:
3 is not true. The vast majority of our MPs respect the referendum result.gypsumfantastic said:The following have all been true since last summer:
1) The ERG and the DUP will never support a deal with a backstop
2) The EU will never agree a withdrawal agreement without a backstop
3) Labour will not support a deal under any circumstances.
Here we are, endless displacement activity in full view, and yet every single one of those three statements is a completely true as it has ever been.
Nothing has changed.
If Labour were planning to support a deal, they'd not be letting the Labour leader do everything in his power ensure that May's hands are duct taped to the wheel when we go over the cliff edge.
What Labour wants is for the Tories to get the blame for Tory No Deal Brexit Chaos.0 -
You know all those pics of shirtless fathers holding their babies?Casino_Royale said:
Please, stop.SouthamObserver said:
You will never look at guacamole in the same way again!Casino_Royale said:
Do I need to know this? Ignorance is bliss.Beverley_C said:
I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives
Right now you think they are posing tossers, very soon you’ll realise the reason they are shirtless is because a baby has just been sick on them.0 -
Is it time for May to press the button, marked nuclear, and throw the ERG out of the party and split as per Corn Laws?
She is just avoiding the inevitable now.
They will not vote for anything that stops No Deal.0 -
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Government practically guaranteeing Bercow won't select the amendment.0
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Too sensible.rottenborough said:Is it time for May to press the button, marked nuclear, and throw the ERG out of the party and split as per Corn Laws?
She is just avoiding the inevitable now.
They will not vote for anything that stops No Deal.
May will invite us to consider the deal.
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My deal is the best deal and the only deal availableJonathan said:
Too sensible.rottenborough said:Is it time for May to press the button, marked nuclear, and throw the ERG out of the party and split as per Corn Laws?
She is just avoiding the inevitable now.
They will not vote for anything that stops No Deal.
May will invite us to consider the deal.
I am getting on with the job of delivering Brexit
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So the debate is whether the ERG and/or the govt will support an amendment that wont be called by Bercow anyway ?
Seems a moot point..0 -
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Already had that.TheScreamingEagles said:
You know all those pics of shirtless fathers holding their babies?Casino_Royale said:
Please, stop.SouthamObserver said:
You will never look at guacamole in the same way again!Casino_Royale said:
Do I need to know this? Ignorance is bliss.Beverley_C said:
I think you will find with newborns that what they deliver is never JIT.Casino_Royale said:
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.Nigelb said:
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...Casino_Royale said:
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.Beverley_C said:
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a suddenCasino_Royale said:
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.Beverley_C said:
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thingCasino_Royale said:
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.SouthamObserver said:Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
The first few weeks are easy with only tiny little poops, then the day of the "Nappy Filler" arrives
Right now you think they are posing tossers, very soon you’ll realise the reason they are shirtless is because a baby has just been sick on them.0 -
Shagging?Pulpstar said:Whats happening with Grieve/Spelman ?
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Their amendmentsCasino_Royale said:
Shagging?Pulpstar said:Whats happening with Grieve/Spelman ?
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"Nothing has changed" is the new "all in this together"...gypsumfantastic said:0 -
It's quite interesting that the word f*ck, though often assumed to be Anglo-Saxon, isn't actually attested before late medieval times.David_Evershed said:
Certainly a lot of Anglo Saxon spoken on PB with the additional asterisk letter used.OldKingCole said:
We do speak a sort of German.Theuniondivvie said:
We've escaped assimilation into the Germanosphere by the skin of our teeth.williamglenn said:
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?Theuniondivvie said:
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, Piers Morgan is a moron. However, Greer may be 'courteous' but he's also the author of this, as you may've seen:
https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1088871720382091264
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
It seems the earliest unequivocal use of the word with a sexual connotation is in a surname - Roger Fuckebythenavele is recorded in Chester in 1310 and 1311:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151101114206/http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/the-remarkable-discovery-of-roger-fuckebythenavele/0 -
ERG & Corbyn's moves are both reasonably easy to work out - What will sink the Tories in the deepest shit ?0
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So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
2nd comment is correct.Scott_P said:
I am beyond angry now at this whole generation of political w***ers.
This will be known to history as The Pisspoor Parliament.0 -
Always nice to see Jezza in a good mood...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6640469/Furious-Jeremy-Corbyn-ignores-questions-Cooper-amendment.html0 -
No true Labour MP would ever voluntarily agree to help a Tory government out of a deep well of shit of their own digging.Pulpstar said:ERG & Corbyn's moves are both reasonably easy to work out - What will sink the Tories in the deepest shit ?
It's in Labour's best interests to oppose any attempts at a deal, run down the clock, and force May to the cliff edge. That way, whatever happens will be catastrophic for her and her party.
Tory No Deal Brexit Chaos is practically Corbyn's dream outcome. It's amazing so many of the FBPE and Blairite dullards on Twitter are still so hilariously unable to read this fairly blatant strategy.
To get Labour support, May would need to offer them something more valuable to them than the Tories getting the eternal blame for either No Deal Chaos or revoking Brexit. No such thing exists.0 -
gypsumfantastic said:
No true Labour MP would ever volunatrily assist to help a Tory government out of a deep well of shit of their own digging.Pulpstar said:ERG & Corbyn's moves are both reasonably easy to work out - What will sink the Tories in the deepest shit ?
It's in Labour's best interests to oppose any attempts at a deal, run down the clock, and force May to the cliff edge. That way, whatever happens will be catastrophic for her and her party.
Tory No Deal Brexit Chaos is practically Corbyn's dream outcome. It's amazing so many of the FBPE and Blairite dullards on Twitter are still so hilariously unable to read this fairly blatant strategy.
Anyone who thinks Corbyn will ride to the rescue at the last minute needs to up their medication.0 -
I did tell you the Cooper amendment would not pass! It now seems the Labour leadership is keener on a No Deal Brexit than the government.0
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The lobby were fed the same juicy unicorns by May loyalists over Christmas too. I think Laura Kuenssberg is the only one who took it seriously.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, apparently he burnt a whole pan full of jam on Sunday.FrancisUrquhart said:Always nice to see Jezza in a good mood...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6640469/Furious-Jeremy-Corbyn-ignores-questions-Cooper-amendment.html0 -
There was a point where I believed it too. The shame of over estimating the sense and realism of the ERGgypsumfantastic said:
The lobby were fed the same juicy unicorns by May loyalists over Christmas too. I think Laura Kuenssberg is the only one who took it seriously.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
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That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
I suspect it will be "The Incompetent Traitors", as they are utterly incompetent and whatever side wins is likely to be seen as traitors by the losing side...rottenborough said:
2nd comment is correct.Scott_P said:
I am beyond angry now at this whole generation of political w***ers.
This will be known to history as The Pisspoor Parliament.0 -
Just like all the b*llocks we heard over Christmas about how they were coming round to support the deal. It's all in the imagination of May's spinners. May cannot achieve a deal that will satisfy the EU and the House of Commons. It's either no deal or no Brexit.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
See gypsum's comment. It is a Socialist government-in-waiting wet dream to have civil disorder over empty food shelves and petrol rationing, before they get into power.SouthamObserver said:I did tell you the Cooper amendment would not pass! It now seems the Labour leadership is keener on a No Deal Brexit than the government.
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May has an amazing ability to say such vacuous things onto which each listener can project whatever it is that they actually wanted or expected to hear.rottenborough said:0 -
"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
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Correct.AndyJS said:"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
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No comment. Whoops!FrancisUrquhart said:UAE's gender equality awards won entirely by men
Authorities in the United Arab Emirates have been ridiculed after it emerged that all of the winners of an initiative designed to foster gender equality in the workplace were men.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/28/uae-mocked-for-gender-equality-awards-won-entirely-by-men0 -
In all seriousness, the one benefit tomorrow might have had was clarifying a few things if some certain amendments passed, for better and very much for worse, but a quick scan around the interweb commentariat reveals that the biggest two amendments both are and are not confident of being passed, so it is still all apparently a bloody shambles.
I'm not sure that is am ability of May's, or at the least not unique to her as we see similar from many quarters.IanB2 said:
May has an amazing ability to say such vacuous things onto which each listener can project whatever it is that they actually wanted or expected to hear.rottenborough said:
Yes, it's very tiresome, and I honestly am not sure what the various sides think they are gaining when they leak bollocks about things falling their way. It doesn't lead to people doing so, it just irritates people, and gets no closer to dealing with the only certain choices before them.anothernick said:
Just like all the b*llocks we heard over Christmas about how they were coming round to support the deal. It's all in the imagination of May's spinners. May cannot achieve a deal that will satisfy the EU and the House of Commons. It's either no deal or no Brexit.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
Perhaps Mrs Weyand could come to parliament and sell the deal to MPs ?AndyJS said:"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47024450
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She was breathlessly reporting that Foster and Dodds had stayed over at Chequers several days after it was reported elsewhere.gypsumfantastic said:
The lobby were fed the same juicy unicorns by May loyalists over Christmas too. I think Laura Kuenssberg is the only one who took it seriously.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:0 -
That's true, but not very helpful - parliament never agreed it, nor were they ever obliged to do so, and the EU can play dumb but it knows perfectly well that just because the government agreed it does not mean parliament was ever going to. So they can hold off on the smugness, since it doesn't matter how right they are about that, they still face no deal too because they 'succeeded' so well at the negotiation, and by their own admission that's not what they wanted.AndyJS said:"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
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Paul Masterton might. Not to May's favour...AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
It seems odd for the Labour leadership to take two controversial positions on successive days. Rebellion becomes a habit: Jeremy Corbyn of all people should know that.SouthamObserver said:I did tell you the Cooper amendment would not pass! It now seems the Labour leadership is keener on a No Deal Brexit than the government.
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Worth reading the small print to that bet, which only pays off for a departure with no deal at end March. If there is any delay or extension then the bet fails, even if we eventually leave with no deal. Given that proviso I think the 6/1 is fair, not valueCasino_Royale said:
I'm betting on No Deal as much as personal insurance as for a political bet.Beverley_C said:
I took the implication of your post to be that nothing will happen. As you say, MPs are deadlocked and the Maybot's programming does not allow her to make decisions and the Tories have made her invulnerable from deselection until the end of 2019.AmpfieldAndy said:
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.Beverley_C said:
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.AmpfieldAndy said:Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
At 6/1 on Betfair it's obvious value.
Edit/ and a lot less valuable as insurance against being shafted by no deal.0 -
It's all about spreading the blame around onto others.kle4 said:In all seriousness, the one benefit tomorrow might have had was clarifying a few things if some certain amendments passed, for better and very much for worse, but a quick scan around the interweb commentariat reveals that the biggest two amendments both are and are not confident of being passed, so it is still all apparently a bloody shambles.
I'm not sure that is am ability of May's, or at the least not unique to her as we see similar from many quarters.IanB2 said:
May has an amazing ability to say such vacuous things onto which each listener can project whatever it is that they actually wanted or expected to hear.rottenborough said:
Yes, it's very tiresome, and I honestly am not sure what the various sides think they are gaining when they leak bollocks about things falling their way. It doesn't lead to people doing so, it just irritates people, and gets no closer to dealing with the only certain choices before them.anothernick said:
Just like all the b*llocks we heard over Christmas about how they were coming round to support the deal. It's all in the imagination of May's spinners. May cannot achieve a deal that will satisfy the EU and the House of Commons. It's either no deal or no Brexit.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Far more important than the national interest or whatever.
Avoid the blame is the only game in town.
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Next meaningful vote is on the 13th February0
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No. There have been a few suggesting they might change away from it depending on what happens though.AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
That the government keeps saying that, but then saying they'll try.Slackbladder said:What part of 'the government can't remove the backstop' do these nutters not understand??
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I doubt he's the only MP that Theresa May would lose from the Remain end of the pitch if she whips the Brady amendment.Pulpstar said:
Paul Masterton might. Not to May's favour...AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
That's only because you're giving up on the 7th try. You have to keep going.Slackbladder said:Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop:Oh....ok then.....
Not going to happen.0 -
Sales 101 is get approval from MAN : Money , Authority, Need.kle4 said:
That's true, but not very helpful - parliament never agreed it, nor were they ever obliged to do so, and the EU can play dumb but it knows perfectly well that just because the government agreed it does not mean parliament was ever going to. So they can hold off on the smugness, since it doesn't matter how right they are about that, they still face no deal too because they 'succeeded' so well at the negotiation, and by their own admission that's not what they wanted.AndyJS said:"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47024450
Mrs May only had Need..0 -
I think there's a high risk of our politicians thinking they can faff around for another two months and the EU is then going to give them an extension on demand.AndyJS said:"Brexit: High risk of UK crashing out - EU negotiator
There is a high risk of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal by accident, the EU's deputy chief negotiator Sabine Weyand has said.
She said there was "full ownership of what was agreed" in the EU, but "no ownership" of it in the UK Parliament."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-470244500 -
Mrs Doyle diplomacy.kle4 said:
That's only because you're giving up on the 7th try. You have to keep going.Slackbladder said:Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop:Oh....ok then.....
Not going to happen.0 -
Well don't blame me, whatever you do! I just voted for this, apparently.TGOHF said:
It's all about spreading the blame around onto others.kle4 said:In all seriousness, the one benefit tomorrow might have had was clarifying a few things if some certain amendments passed, for better and very much for worse, but a quick scan around the interweb commentariat reveals that the biggest two amendments both are and are not confident of being passed, so it is still all apparently a bloody shambles.
I'm not sure that is am ability of May's, or at the least not unique to her as we see similar from many quarters.IanB2 said:
May has an amazing ability to say such vacuous things onto which each listener can project whatever it is that they actually wanted or expected to hear.rottenborough said:
Yes, it's very tiresome, and I honestly am not sure what the various sides think they are gaining when they leak bollocks about things falling their way. It doesn't lead to people doing so, it just irritates people, and gets no closer to dealing with the only certain choices before them.anothernick said:
Just like all the b*llocks we heard over Christmas about how they were coming round to support the deal. It's all in the imagination of May's spinners. May cannot achieve a deal that will satisfy the EU and the House of Commons. It's either no deal or no Brexit.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Far more important than the national interest or whatever.
Avoid the blame is the only game in town.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBSxAAJ_2SIkle4 said:
That's only because you're giving up on the 7th try. You have to keep going.Slackbladder said:Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop: No
Remove the backstop:Oh....ok then.....
Not going to happen.0 -
I voted for chaos with Ed Miliband, but I'm only getting chaos *near* Ed Miliband.kle4 said:
Well don't blame me, whatever you do! I just voted for this, apparently.
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Nadine Dorries?AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
Are we about to see the first big backbench/frontbench split of the voting with the Cooper amendment tommorow ?AlastairMeeks said:
It seems odd for the Labour leadership to take two controversial positions on successive days. Rebellion becomes a habit: Jeremy Corbyn of all people should know that.SouthamObserver said:I did tell you the Cooper amendment would not pass! It now seems the Labour leadership is keener on a No Deal Brexit than the government.
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No, she hasn't, and she's very upset about how she was misrepresented.MarqueeMark said:
Nadine Dorries?AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
Well you only ever get about half what you want, so you should count yourself lucky.gypsumfantastic said:
I voted for chaos with Ed Miliband, but I'm only getting chaos *near* Ed Miliband.kle4 said:
Well don't blame me, whatever you do! I just voted for this, apparently.0 -
Doesn't she have to go on WhatsApp to find out what her position actually is?AlastairMeeks said:
No, she hasn't, and she's very upset about how she was misrepresented.MarqueeMark said:
Nadine Dorries?AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?0 -
Thanks. Useful warning.IanB2 said:
Worth reading the small print to that bet, which only pays off for a departure with no deal at end March. If there is any delay or extension then the bet fails, even if we eventually leave with no deal. Given that proviso I think the 6/1 is fair, not valueCasino_Royale said:
I'm betting on No Deal as much as personal insurance as for a political bet.Beverley_C said:
I took the implication of your post to be that nothing will happen. As you say, MPs are deadlocked and the Maybot's programming does not allow her to make decisions and the Tories have made her invulnerable from deselection until the end of 2019.AmpfieldAndy said:
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.Beverley_C said:
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.AmpfieldAndy said:Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
At 6/1 on Betfair it's obvious value.
Edit/ and a lot less valuable as insurance against being shafted by no deal.0 -
I wonder which of the various possible outcomes is worse for the Tories? Which one will mean that they lose the next election and lose it badly?
Because if it is very obviously one particular outcome, rather than any of the others, one would assume that everything the Labour leadership do from here will be geared with a lazer like focus to steering events towards that outcome.
I mean, this is what politics is about, right? - Power.
And especially for the Corbyn project at this time. They have the chance, if they play their cards right, to affect a massive and irreversible transfer of wealth and power in this country in favour of working people.
The chance will probably not come again, not in a lifetime, so surely they will do their damnedest to grab it.0 -
Well not since the vote..AlastairMeeks said:
That much was obvious a week ago.Chris said:
So all the stuff about the DUP having agreed to support the deal and the speculation that they would bring 100 Tory MPs across with them was predicated on sheer fantasy.Scott_P said:
Has anyone actually identified a single MP who has changed his or her position since the meaningful vote?
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/10899232395587624970 -
Voters are concerned about real world consequences, not political game playing. And the government always takes the blame. Hence the worst option for the Tories is the one with the worst real world outcome. Which is probably an early no deal exit.kinabalu said:I wonder which of the various possible outcomes is worse for the Tories? Which one will mean that they lose the next election and lose it badly?
Because if it is very obviously one particular outcome, rather than any of the others, one would assume that everything the Labour leadership do from here will be geared with a lazer like focus to steering events towards that outcome.
I mean, this is what politics is about, right? - Power.
And especially for the Corbyn project at this time. They have the chance, if they play their cards right, to affect a massive and irreversible transfer of wealth and power in this country in favour of working people.
The chance will probably not come again, not in a lifetime, so surely they will at least do their damnedest to grab it.
The only exception to this is if the political manoevering actually leads to a formal split in the party.0 -
Thanks. Useful warning.Casino_Royale said:
Worth reading the small print to that bet, which only pays off for a departure with no deal at end March. If there is any delay or extension then the bet fails, even if we eventually leave with no deal. Given that proviso I think the 6/1 is fair, not value
Edit/ and a lot less valuable as insurance against being shafted by no deal.
That's a bit cheeky, since there's really four options, not two, but they're burying the lede to make you miscount the odds.
1) Leave 29th March with an agreed WA and PD
2) Leave 29th March with no agreed WA and PD
3) Leave sometime in the future with an agreed WA and PD
4) Don't leave
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If most Tory MPs were concerned about the next election they'd have come behind a single view by now, whatever it was. As frustrating as the lack of decision has been, and while May's indecision has been because she is too afraid of splitting her own party, that they are so ungovernable on this issue even to the idiotic point of derailing the entire project and possibly losing Brexit entirely, or alternately causing a no deal the remain faction claim not to want, it shows that they are, at least, truly focusing on this issue to the exclusion of other concerns. Because they cannot be so stupid as to think all out party war will be good for them.kinabalu said:I wonder which of the various possible outcomes is worse for the Tories? Which one will mean that they lose the next election and lose it badly?
Because if it is very obviously one particular outcome, rather than any of the others, one would assume that everything the Labour leadership do from here will be geared with a lazer like focus to steering events towards that outcome.
I mean, this is what politics is about, right? - Power.
And especially for the Corbyn project at this time. They have the chance, if they play their cards right, to effect a massive and irreversible transfer of wealth and power in this country in favour of working people.
The chance will probably not come again, not in a lifetime, so surely they will at least do their damnedest to grab it.0 -
I am on that too. It covers leaving by date, independent of Deal/No Deal, though I do have a little saver on the next quarter too.Casino_Royale said:
Thanks. Useful warning.IanB2 said:
Worth reading the small print to that bet, which only pays off for a departure with no deal at end March. If there is any delay or extension then the bet fails, even if we eventually leave with no deal. Given that proviso I think the 6/1 is fair, not valueCasino_Royale said:
I'm betting on No Deal as much as personal insurance as for a political bet.Beverley_C said:
I took the implication of your post to be that nothing will happen. As you say, MPs are deadlocked and the Maybot's programming does not allow her to make decisions and the Tories have made her invulnerable from deselection until the end of 2019.AmpfieldAndy said:
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.Beverley_C said:
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.AmpfieldAndy said:Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
At 6/1 on Betfair it's obvious value.
Edit/ and a lot less valuable as insurance against being shafted by no deal.0
