Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Brexit has shown our entire political class - on both sides of the argument - to be unfit for purpose.
Did Brand not see Barnier's recent statement that the EU was [at last] looking at technical solutions to the Irish border issue.
Also there are rumours in Ireland that the EUs solution in the event of No Deal is to have no checks on the Ireland/NI border but instead have them on the Ireland/EU border eg at Calais Rotterdam etc.
With all due respect, David, the second option will not happen.
In the event of No Deal the Eu has been made aware that neither Ireland nor the UK are prepared to instal infrastructure on the Ireland/NI border.
Consequently their fallback position is to check goods coming into the EU from the UK and Ireland in the same way - both for tariffs and compliance with standards.
The EU are not keen to publicise their position because it undermines their negotiating position of course, which is to weaponise the Irish border issue.
Many Irish news sources for the above being considered including:
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Brexit has shown our entire political class - on both sides of the argument - to be unfit for purpose.
Brexit has shown how fit for purpose the EU is. There is no way to deliver the same benefits without it.
Did Brand not see Barnier's recent statement that the EU was [at last] looking at technical solutions to the Irish border issue.
Also there are rumours in Ireland that the EUs solution in the event of No Deal is to have no checks on the Ireland/NI border but instead have them on the Ireland/EU border eg at Calais Rotterdam etc.
With all due respect, David, the second option will not happen.
In the event of No Deal the Eu has been made aware that neither Ireland nor the UK are prepared to instal infrastructure on the Ireland/NI border.
Consequently their fallback position is to check goods coming into the EU from the UK and Ireland in the same way - both for tariffs and compliance with standards.
The EU are not keen to publicise their position because it undermines their negotiating position of course, which is to weaponise the Irish border issue.
Many Irish news sources for the above being considered including:
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Brexit has shown our entire political class - on both sides of the argument - to be unfit for purpose.
Not sure if any classes have come out of it with any credit.
Google is throwing crazy amount of resources at DeepMinds. I was told by somebody who works there they have hired ~600 people in the past couple of years.
What does that mean? Chose amendments that support the Maybot's deal? Or chose amendments that is give the UK the best options for weathering this self-inflicted storm.
The two are not the same. "Fair" is a slippery word in politics.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Brexit has shown our entire political class - on both sides of the argument - to be unfit for purpose.
Brexit has shown how fit for purpose the EU is. There is no way to deliver the same benefits without it.
That’s deranged. The EU certainly isn’t fit for purpose, and even most Remainers would probably concede that.
Further, there are other ways to deliver a fair balance of benefits and obligations that would be more to the UK’s taste but both the EU doesn’t want to put those on the table.
Unfortunately, our MPs probably wouldn’t understand them even if they did.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
When will May get it that is she that has to compromise? Stop the chicanery,spin and tactics to force the deal and start work on a genuine plan B.
Compromise with who? There is no alternative to the Withdrawal Agreement.
I stand by what i said the other week.
The ERG will work this out in about eighteen months time and, frustrated by the failure of Brexit (with some perhaps secretly pleased), will deftly move immediately onto blaming someone else.
Mr. Glenn, disagree entirely. More time means less of a cliff-edge as there's greater capacity to line up replacement trade deals, prepare for a potential no deal etc, etc. The short time span is there to deliberately help the EU.
Mr. Royale, it's a real shame an associate membership position just isn't credible. But there we are.
When will May get it that is she that has to compromise? Stop the chicanery,spin and tactics to force the deal and start work on a genuine plan B.
Compromise with who? There is no alternative to the Withdrawal Agreement.
I stand by what i said the other week.
The ERG will work this out in about eighteen months time and, frustrated by the failure of Brexit (with some perhaps secretly pleased), will deftly move immediately onto blaming someone else.
At what point will their more moderate allies realise they should have campaigned for Cameron's deal?
When will May get it that is she that has to compromise? Stop the chicanery,spin and tactics to force the deal and start work on a genuine plan B.
May does not know how to compromise. Her style is to take decisions in private with a coterie of advisers/sycophants and then spring them on everybody else when it's too late for opponents to do anything about it. This served her quite well as Home Secretary but it's hopeless for something as controversial and divisive as Brexit.
What does that mean? Chose amendments that support the Maybot's deal? Or chose amendments that is give the UK the best options for weathering this self-inflicted storm.
The two are not the same. "Fair" is a slippery word in politics.
Choose amendments that have support on either side of the divide and allow MPs to determine their outcome when voting. It would be ludicrous if either of the Brady or Cooper amendments weren't chosen despite both having likely polar-opposite support it isn't for the Speaker to choose one over the other.
Seems like a bit of a non-issue, unless you think there is going to be no extradition treaty between the EU and UK in the future?
It used to be a real problem back in the day. It was one of the things that kept The Troubles going for 30 years and it is one of the reasons that the GFA was a hit with so many people. The EU provided the reasoning that the North was British (Unionists happy) and the North was part of the RoI via Europe (Nationalists happy).
Brexiteers are in danger of reigniting a conflict that many people thought was over.
Mr. Glenn, disagree entirely. More time means less of a cliff-edge as there's greater capacity to line up replacement trade deals, prepare for a potential no deal etc, etc. The short time span is there to deliberately help the EU.
No-one else could or would negotiate a trade deal with us until we had decided what our relationship with the EU would be. It doesn't matter how long you make the negotiations.
When will May get it that is she that has to compromise? Stop the chicanery,spin and tactics to force the deal and start work on a genuine plan B.
Compromise with who? There is no alternative to the Withdrawal Agreement.
I stand by what i said the other week.
The ERG will work this out in about eighteen months time and, frustrated by the failure of Brexit (with some perhaps secretly pleased), will deftly move immediately onto blaming someone else.
At what point will their more moderate allies realise they should have campaigned for Cameron's deal?
They’d have killed for this WA a few years ago.
Others would have found it too eurosceptic and criticised it from the other side.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I suppose if she really wants to avoid making a choice there's always the option of England north of the Trent leaving the EU while the rest of the UK remains.
What does that mean? Chose amendments that support the Maybot's deal? Or chose amendments that is give the UK the best options for weathering this self-inflicted storm.
The two are not the same. "Fair" is a slippery word in politics.
Not really - needs to be seen to be a honest broker
When will May get it that is she that has to compromise? Stop the chicanery,spin and tactics to force the deal and start work on a genuine plan B.
Compromise with who? There is no alternative to the Withdrawal Agreement.
I stand by what i said the other week.
The ERG will work this out in about eighteen months time and, frustrated by the failure of Brexit (with some perhaps secretly pleased), will deftly move immediately onto blaming someone else.
At what point will their more moderate allies realise they should have campaigned for Cameron's deal?
They’d have killed for this WA a few years ago.
Others would have found it too eurosceptic and criticised it from the other side.
Including the backstop? Requiring us to stay forever aligned to both Single Market regulations and EU customs unless or until the EU for some bizarre reason chooses to release us from that commitment?
I voted for us to be able to make our own laws and sign our own trade deals not be trapped forever in the EU's customs union. May as well stay in the EU if we're going to stay aligned to EU laws, regulations and customs. And if we stay in we can choose to leave again whenever we want with 2 years notice, there's no exit from the backstop.
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a sudden
A deal without a backstop would be a genuine compromise.
It wouldn't be a deal, it would be a unicorn.
It would be a deal.
A unicorn is thinking that once we're in the backstop the EU need ever release us from it unless we give away everything they want.
You've got the sequence back to front. The backstop doesn't give us everything we need, so we will concede (from your perspective) on the future relationship before it comes into effect to avoid a cliff edge for services, etc.
Mr. Kinabalu, a quote from The Adventures of Sir Edric*: “Neptunia, a foul witch, an appallingly ugly creature and a worker of the darkest magics. She’s also my sister-in-law. Still, she’s better than that rotten hag Esmerelda.”
“But she’s your wife!” Colin protested. “Surely Esmerelda must have some virtues?”
Sir Edric considered the matter for a moment. “Mortality.”
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
On topic, it's looking neck and neck. Theresa May's party management skills are dreadful and the Conservative party looks less like a single body and more like a collection of rubble loosely held together on an eccentric orbit, about to be put under intense gravitational pressure.
One way or another, one group is going to be stupendously hacked off. The question is whether they move before or after Brexit, if Brexit occurs.
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
There will be no hard border on the Ireland/NI border because the EU knows it can not impose it. It will be between Ireland and the Rest of the EU at Calais, Rotterdam etc.
Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?
We've escaped assimilation into the Germanosphere by the skin of our teeth.
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
There will be no hard border on the Ireland/NI border because the EU knows it can not impose it. It will be between Ireland and the Rest of the EU at Calais, Rotterdam etc.
If a hard border went up tomorrow, on which side would there be the bigger security challenge?
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
You are one side of an argument that is rapidly going pear shaped. TM will not back a no deal and neither will the HOC
ERG are providing her with the cover to move to a more collegiate agreement across the HOC
Dunno - which is worse? A convicted felon remaining as an MP, or Nigel bloody Farage becoming an MP.
If your implication is that Nigel Farage is an unconvicted felon, that's a bit premature. We've yet to see what the Mueller inquiry turns up about him.
Will the Court take note that over 12 months makes her unemployed as an MP?
I think so; her failure to resign so far and lack of contrition (to put it mildly) so far are potentially aggravating factors.
I hope they through the book at her as she is showing a total lack of remorse. Two friggin trials, so much wasted time and money, over her bullshit mystery Russian story.
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
There will be no hard border on the Ireland/NI border because the EU knows it can not impose it. It will be between Ireland and the Rest of the EU at Calais, Rotterdam etc.
So no need for a backstop then. But would be in UK and Irelands mutual interest to drop the bullshit and crack on with getting a mutually respectful and beneficial deal. And maybe a transition minus backstop that can lift that border.
Mr. Kinabalu, a quote from The Adventures of Sir Edric*: “Neptunia, a foul witch, an appallingly ugly creature and a worker of the darkest magics. She’s also my sister-in-law. Still, she’s better than that rotten hag Esmerelda.”
“But she’s your wife!” Colin protested. “Surely Esmerelda must have some virtues?”
Sir Edric considered the matter for a moment. “Mortality.”
Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
And when should she schedule the border poll?
Same as the SNP and Tory polls. When a majority in an election goes to those backing a border poll in their manifesto.
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
And when should she schedule the border poll?
I could be wrong but I suspect that nationalist vote for reunification is actually very soft. There's way too much swinging for the various options there.
Will the Court take note that over 12 months makes her unemployed as an MP?
I think so; her failure to resign so far and lack of contrition (to put it mildly) so far are potentially aggravating factors.
I hope they through the book at her as she is showing a total lack of remorse. Two friggin trials, so much wasted time and money, over her bullshit mystery Russian story.
To be fair, the fact that it took two trials is hardly her fault.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a sudden
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.
Churchill was certainly a white supremacist by today's lights. Mass murder, meh, however he was certainly careless with the lives of brown people in his beloved empire.
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
If the EU is a German superstate, why can't more of us speak German?
We've escaped assimilation into the Germanosphere by the skin of our teeth.
Will the Court take note that over 12 months makes her unemployed as an MP?
I think so; her failure to resign so far and lack of contrition (to put it mildly) so far are potentially aggravating factors.
I hope they through the book at her as she is showing a total lack of remorse. Two friggin trials, so much wasted time and money, over her bullshit mystery Russian story.
To be fair, the fact that it took two trials is hardly her fault.
I wasn't blaming her for that, more just an expression of frustration.
Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.
I took the implication of your post to be that nothing will happen. As you say, MPs are deadlocked and the Maybot's programming does not allow her to make decisions and the Tories have made her invulnerable from deselection until the end of 2019.
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
FFS that's pathetic. Truly the worst PM of my lifetime.
The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
And when should she schedule the border poll?
Same as the SNP and Tory polls. When a majority in an election goes to those backing a border poll in their manifesto.
It doesn't work that way. Under the Good Friday Agreement the NI Secretary is obliged to call a border poll if they believe a majority for unification is likely.
The unionist majority in Stormont has already gone.
Mr. Meeks, I did think we'd end up with another referendum, but I'm not so sure now. The mechanics might yet work that way but MPs have to, eventually, actually back it. Plus Corbyn remains anti-EU.
Whoever compared his 'pro-EU' stance to Zeno's Paradox was spot on.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a sudden
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...
She's a total numpty. She has to reach a cross-party deal to get something to pass.
But there is no cross party census
Which is why I think ultimately there will probably be a new referendum. It will be borne out of politicians' failure to agree and sold as such.
I'm hoping for a second referendum.
It'll be hysterical in lots of ways. First of all it will be funny seeing the pyrotechnics from the Francois-types who realise they've pissed their Brexit up against the wall. Then it will be mega-funny when Leave wins by a bigger margin and Adonis, Femi and co have a mental breakdown.
She's a total numpty. She has to reach a cross-party deal to get something to pass.
But there is no cross party census
Which is why I think ultimately there will probably be a new referendum. It will be borne out of politicians' failure to agree and sold as such.
I'm hoping for a second referendum.
It'll be hysterical in lots of ways. First of all it will be funny seeing the pyrotechnics from the Francois-types who realise they've pissed their Brexit up against the wall. Then it will be mega-funny when Leave wins by a bigger margin and Adonis, Femi and co have a mental breakdown.
Politics as pure bloodsport.
Voting Leave a second time does not unscramble the current Parliamentary impasse.
If there were a second referendum if would need to be between Brexit options.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a sudden
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
Ah, so the EU will be in the shit if there's No Deal.
Brexit has revealed like never before how extraordinarily dense most MPs are. They are just people who are good at sitting in endless meetings without falling asleep.
I used to respect MPs for their ability to get selected, make speeches, debate, work all hours God sends and still be friendly and interesting. I assumed a level of sophisticated thinking underlay a clear philosophy with evidence based policy worked out by good and clear analysis.
I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
Welcome to the light. Leaving the Dark Side is a good thing
It’s a hard journey. I never had the undiluted confidence and certainty of absolute convictions to be an MP.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I know what you mean - and you have new priorities all of a sudden
Indeed I do! The great thing about it is that I don't care about anything else.
Until the disposable nappy shortage on the 1st April...
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
And they don't really rely on JIT delivery.
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
Those of us who wish the U.K. to leave the EU and voted accordingly look likely to be disappointed. Too many MPs are content to be paid for simply doing as Brussels tells them and are currently seeking to seize hold of parliamentary business, for which they have no electoral mandate, to stick two fingers up to the electorate. The second is that Brexit has shown the entire British political class and civil service to be unfit for the task of governing Britain. For Leave, it means they have virtually no MPs in parliament capable of articulating what Brexit should look like. Remain supporting MPs don’t have that problem; Brussels simply tells them what to do.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
You seem to have missed the Elephant In The Room - inaction leads to No Deal and you get your precious Brexit.
Not really, if you read and understood my comment. If MPs are successful in grabbing control of the parliamentary agenda, which I referred to up front, there won’t be a Brexit.
I took the implication of your post to be that nothing will happen. As you say, MPs are deadlocked and the Maybot's programming does not allow her to make decisions and the Tories have made her invulnerable from deselection until the end of 2019.
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
I'm betting on No Deal as much as personal insurance as for a political bet.
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I was naive. Many are just over confident energetic bullshiters.
https://deepmind.com/blog/alphastar-mastering-real-time-strategy-game-starcraft-ii/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/prospect-of-border-checks-in-france-and-netherlands-downplayed-1.3767768
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-faces-isolation-with-britain-as-eu-border-mooted-899457.html
By your definition, Aron Ralston's dilemma proved how terrible his pen knife was, when the boulder provided him with a stable and certain situation.
Our media for one..
https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1089868568701820928
https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1088871720382091264
The two are not the same. "Fair" is a slippery word in politics.
Further, there are other ways to deliver a fair balance of benefits and obligations that would be more to the UK’s taste but both the EU doesn’t want to put those on the table.
Unfortunately, our MPs probably wouldn’t understand them even if they did.
The ERG will work this out in about eighteen months time and, frustrated by the failure of Brexit (with some perhaps secretly pleased), will deftly move immediately onto blaming someone else.
Mr. Royale, it's a real shame an associate membership position just isn't credible. But there we are.
Didn't they previously go bust 4-5 years ago?
Brexiteers are in danger of reigniting a conflict that many people thought was over.
https://twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433
Others would have found it too eurosceptic and criticised it from the other side.
https://twitter.com/ptstephenb/status/1089924449447669760?s=21
Otherwise its no compromise its just abject surrender.
If I’m even more honest, I didn’t have the money to do it nor the inclination to spend all my free time pounding pavements either.
I will give it my best shot and revert at some point later in the week.
I voted for us to be able to make our own laws and sign our own trade deals not be trapped forever in the EU's customs union. May as well stay in the EU if we're going to stay aligned to EU laws, regulations and customs. And if we stay in we can choose to leave again whenever we want with 2 years notice, there's no exit from the backstop.
In any case if I felt strongly about it I'd marshal a decent rebuttal rather than that 'you'd be speaking German' pish, and a better insult than 'ginger turd'. Hard to believe that use of words & language is actually the basis of Morgan's career.
A unicorn is thinking that once we're in the backstop the EU need ever release us from it unless we give away everything they want.
Majestic Wines, by contrast, are doing rather well.
May is not going to resign so it’s hard to see her leaving until she is forced out by a vote of no confidence. The Tories will support her against Corbyn so she’s safe for about another year - another year in which absolutely nothing gets done but vast quantities of hot air get expended.
“Neptunia, a foul witch, an appallingly ugly creature and a worker of the darkest magics. She’s also my sister-in-law. Still, she’s better than that rotten hag Esmerelda.”
“But she’s your wife!” Colin protested. “Surely Esmerelda must have some virtues?”
Sir Edric considered the matter for a moment. “Mortality.”
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The choice is simple, the UK voted to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). The manifesto was a commitment to leave (including Single Market and Customs Union). She pledged no deal was better than a bad deal.
Do the one thing that might save her deal, commit to one simple change and commit to no deal if that change is refused (thus meaning that the Irish get the hard border immediately and not in many years time if there's a time-limited or no backstop).
But wait, the Irish want a deal. But with a backstop there's no deal.
One way or another, one group is going to be stupendously hacked off. The question is whether they move before or after Brexit, if Brexit occurs.
Just in case anyone hasn't had enough of this already.
ERG are providing her with the cover to move to a more collegiate agreement across the HOC
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1089930545574875140
No Deal looks nailed on (as they say around this parish)
The unionist majority in Stormont has already gone.
Whoever compared his 'pro-EU' stance to Zeno's Paradox was spot on.
(Actually, most of them are manufactured here.)
It'll be hysterical in lots of ways. First of all it will be funny seeing the pyrotechnics from the Francois-types who realise they've pissed their Brexit up against the wall. Then it will be mega-funny when Leave wins by a bigger margin and Adonis, Femi and co have a mental breakdown.
Politics as pure bloodsport.
And JRM just now rejects Graham Brady's amendment
If there were a second referendum if would need to be between Brexit options.
Were they not available there are plenty of substitutes, albeit not as convenient.
At 6/1 on Betfair it's obvious value.