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Over the weekend I’ve been trying to look through other possible contenders for TMay’s job which might become vacant in a matter of weeks or a few months. Who are the dark horses who might be a good punt at long odds?
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Hancock’s half hour as Tory leadership favourite ?0
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Probably not the most well thought out timing for a new Franco/German axis...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-469082050 -
Another with a PPE degree from Oxford.
Though it was a first, and the thereafter had the good sense to enagage in remedial study at Cambridge (MPhil).... though there again it was economics.0 -
His Wikipedia entry suggests he is a touch gaffe prone.
It’s not 100% accurate, as he did not receive donations from a climate change denier organisation, but instead from one of its backers:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/10/energy-climate-change-minister-matthew-hancock-donations-climate-sceptic0 -
Today is the 100th anniversary of the first sitting of Dáil Éireann0
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Good call Mike, with no-one clearly emerging as favourite it could be anyone.
In other news, the latest reminder of why we’re leaving the EU. I’m sure Dublin in particular will be extatic at this idea....
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I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
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Ahem.
I tipped him at 100/1 last year.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/05/20/a-100-1-tip-to-be-theresa-mays-successor/0 -
“Launching a debate” = starting the first step down the path of inevitability.Sandpit said:Good call Mike, with no-one clearly emerging as favourite it could be anyone.
In other news, the latest reminder of why we’re leaving the EU. I’m sure Dublin in particular will be extatic at this idea....
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/10851850173098762240 -
Classic.Nigelb said:Probably not the most well thought out timing for a new Franco/German axis...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-469082050 -
The last decade or so the U.K. has been the main opponent of this. Ireland let us take the flak although did some work.Casino_Royale said:
“Launching a debate” = starting the first step down the path of inevitability.Sandpit said:Good call Mike, with no-one clearly emerging as favourite it could be anyone.
In other news, the latest reminder of why we’re leaving the EU. I’m sure Dublin in particular will be extatic at this idea....
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1085185017309876224
I doubt they will be as effective on their own at resisting this change0 -
Rees-Mogg and the Goebbels family planning solution?Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade0 -
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
Typical BBC - poorly researched (I assume) rather than deliberately misleadingCasino_Royale said:
Classic.Nigelb said:Probably not the most well thought out timing for a new Franco/German axis...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46908205
Aachen’s significance isn’t that “it has changed many times over the centuries”
It was Charlemagne’s capital - King of the Franks, King of the Lombards, Lord of Germania and Holy Roman Emperor.
The last time France and Germany operated in lockstep
It’s a statement of intent by them0 -
OT congratulations to Pinsent Masons for being the top LGBT employer and sponsor of a race on the Grand National card despite which we get no winning tips from their representative on pb.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-469185490 -
I wish I could say I’m surprised.Charles said:
Typical BBC - poorly researched (I assume) rather than deliberately misleadingCasino_Royale said:
Classic.Nigelb said:Probably not the most well thought out timing for a new Franco/German axis...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46908205
Aachen’s significance isn’t that “it has changed many times over the centuries”
It was Charlemagne’s capital - King of the Franks, King of the Lombards, Lord of Germania and Holy Roman Emperor.
The last time France and Germany operated in lockstep
It’s a statement of intent by them
It will be interesting to see how the Visegrad nations and Club Med respond to that.0 -
Ireland will do as they’re told.Charles said:
The last decade or so the U.K. has been the main opponent of this. Ireland let us take the flak although did some work.Casino_Royale said:
“Launching a debate” = starting the first step down the path of inevitability.Sandpit said:Good call Mike, with no-one clearly emerging as favourite it could be anyone.
In other news, the latest reminder of why we’re leaving the EU. I’m sure Dublin in particular will be extatic at this idea....
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1085185017309876224
I doubt they will be as effective on their own at resisting this change0 -
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Rees-Mogg and the Goebbels family planning solution?Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade0 -
OT one dog that has not barked is the forthcoming low emission zone, mentioned in the Sun today. It will be very expensive for a lot of drivers, and may help the blue team in the next general and mayoral elections. Don't throw away those Shaun Bailey tickets just yet.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/8241278/motorists-new-car-pollution-tax/0 -
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
This was already mooted back.in October 2017. The plan would be to get over the first hurdle (the member state veto for the plan to remove their veto) by using the passerelle clause of Article 48 of the Lisbon treaty. This allows vetoes to be removed to ensure the integrity of the Single Market.Sandpit said:Good call Mike, with no-one clearly emerging as favourite it could be anyone.
In other news, the latest reminder of why we’re leaving the EU. I’m sure Dublin in particular will be extatic at this idea....
https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1085185017309876224
It was these very clauses being used in this way that Eurosceptics warned about back when the Lisbon Treaty was being discussed. Needless to say the Eurofanatics said it couldn't happen.0 -
OT was the blood moon an elaborate (and early) April Fools Day hoax? The moon was bright white last night and then disappeared completely from view, like a pet owner tricking their dog on Youtube.0
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Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
I think it was you who wished to stop any fiscal transfers and cancel the pensions of people who live in the Midlands and the North.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
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The clowns - or rather the fools - are the ones who believe all the scare stories about medocines running out. There are good reasons why we should avoid a No Deal. This is not one of them.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
Eclipse. I was up at 5 am to see it in a very clear sky.DecrepitJohnL said:OT was the blood moon an elaborate (and early) April Fools Day hoax? The moon was bright white last night and then disappeared completely from view, like a pet owner tricking their dog on Youtube.
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Charles is right: such comments are unbecoming of the posters concerned, add nothing to the debate, and are extremely provocative.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
Believe you me, I have little time for the Tory MPs who are failing to dutifully support their PM in their reckless support of No Deal and I see no need for such language. They will have to own it and explain themselves to their constituents and the country if there are serious consequences.0 -
It was a joke Charles.Charles said:
I think it was you who wished to stop any fiscal transfers and cancel the pensions of people who live in the Midlands and the North.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
You should be ashamed of yourself
Plus, you got forgot old people, and Wales.
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I’ve commented on the open bigotry of some ultra Remain supporters over the weekend. Sadly, that’s starting to show amongst some of our respected regulars as well.Charles said:
I think it was you who wished to stop any fiscal transfers and cancel the pensions of people who live in the Midlands and the North.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
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I expect the medicine shortage scare stories are the main reason for any potential shortage of medicine supplies.Richard_Tyndall said:
The clowns - or rather the fools - are the ones who believe all the scare stories about medocines running out. There are good reasons why we should avoid a No Deal. This is not one of them.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
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Cloudy here north of WorksopDayTripper said:
Eclipse. I was up at 5 am to see it in a very clear sky.DecrepitJohnL said:OT was the blood moon an elaborate (and early) April Fools Day hoax? The moon was bright white last night and then disappeared completely from view, like a pet owner tricking their dog on Youtube.
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I don’t think I mentioned medicine shortages, although Foxy - who at least works in the NHS - suggested they were already here!Richard_Tyndall said:
The clowns - or rather the fools - are the ones who believe all the scare stories about medocines running out. There are good reasons why we should avoid a No Deal. This is not one of them.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
Another pearl clutcher.Casino_Royale said:
Charles is right: such comments are unbecoming of the posters concerned, add nothing to the debate, and are extremely provocative.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
Believe you me, I have little time for the Tory MPs who are failing to dutifully support their PM in their reckless support of No Deal and I see no need for such language. They will have to own it and explain themselves to their constituents and the country if there are serious consequences.
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Are people still seriously thinking we will run out of medicines when we leave the EU?
We’ve already made it clear we will accept any medicine regulated in the EU, agreements have already been made to keep trucks trucking and planes flying in the event of no deal, so how do we run out?
Notwithstanding that we could source from North America or Asia in the short term if it were necessary.0 -
Sorry GW I wasn't referring to you specifically but answering in defence of the point Charles had made.Gardenwalker said:
I don’t think I mentioned medicine shortages, although Foxy - who at least works in the NHS - suggested they were already here!Richard_Tyndall said:
The clowns - or rather the fools - are the ones who believe all the scare stories about medocines running out. There are good reasons why we should avoid a No Deal. This is not one of them.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
And if there are shortages now then what the hell does that have to do with Brexit? Indeed perhaps we should therefore be welcoming a no Deal if it means the Government take action to deal with any existing shortages.0 -
Macron's new year bounce continues with approval up to 27%, largely as a result of his meet the mayors campaign
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2019/01/20/97001-20190120FILWWW00007-la-cote-de-popularite-de-macron-remonte.php0 -
Time for you to log off, take some deep breaths, count to ten, and do something else for a few hours.Gardenwalker said:
Another pearl clutcher.Casino_Royale said:
Charles is right: such comments are unbecoming of the posters concerned, add nothing to the debate, and are extremely provocative.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
Believe you me, I have little time for the Tory MPs who are failing to dutifully support their PM in their reckless support of No Deal and I see no need for such language. They will have to own it and explain themselves to their constituents and the country if there are serious consequences.
Come back on here later today when you’ve calmed down.0 -
I’d have a lot more confidence if the people who say No Deal is nothing to be feared weren’t also the people who said No Deal wouldn’t happen/was Project Fear.0
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I imagine in a worst case scenario the government would throw money at the problem to solve it, even from purely a cold PR perspective you wouldn't want deaths.Sandpit said:Are people still seriously thinking we will run out of medicines when we leave the EU?
We’ve already made it clear we will accept any medicine regulated in the EU, agreements have already been made to keep trucks trucking and planes flying in the event of no deal, so how do we run out?
Notwithstanding that we could source from North America or Asia in the short term if it were necessary.
The problems are the government has appeared incompetent at times and if it has the potential to affect your/families life quite badly then even only a small chance can be scary.
It could depend on your perception but those who maybe had a remain lean to start with and feel the Brexiteers have been shown to have lied about things since (which is the perception of some) they wouldn't feel very reassured when some people say things will be fine.
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I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.0 -
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.0 -
I saw Matthew Hancock on Ch 4 and as you say he was very impressive. He had something of the Tony Blair about him. I had no idea who he was or which party he belonged to. When I learnt he was a Tory I wondered where he'd been hiding because he was head and shoulders above the strident automatums they normally wheel out.
I've mixed feelings about Rory Stewart-Rory the tory-because though superficially interesting he looks more boffin than leader. He seems such an unlikely 'Lawrence of Arabia' that I can't help wondering whether he borrowed Bear Gryills' CV at Eton.0 -
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.0 -
We may not run out of medicines, but there are already disruptions occurring in the supply chain, for whatever reason. For the last couple of months, picking up my repeat prescription, I am finding that I have to make repeated visits to pick up different bits (whereas it was always delivered in one go before) and that multiples of different doses of some drugs are being substituted. The pharmacist at my surgery tells me that they are having increasing difficulties in getting supplies on a regular basis.Sandpit said:Are people still seriously thinking we will run out of medicines when we leave the EU?
We’ve already made it clear we will accept any medicine regulated in the EU, agreements have already been made to keep trucks trucking and planes flying in the event of no deal, so how do we run out?
Notwithstanding that we could source from North America or Asia in the short term if it were necessary.
This may be because there is stockpiling going on further up the delivery chain, or it may be for some other reason. The point is, even if there are no shortages, supply chains start to break down very quickly, so anybody thinking there will be minimal impact from a no-deal Brexit is indulging in wishful thinking, to say the least.0 -
I don’t actually disagree with any of that, and as others have said the commentary by politicians and the media has been terrible around Brexit in general and this specifically. We could end up in a situation where the suggestion of shortages becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy due to panic buying.TheJezziah said:
I imagine in a worst case scenario the government would throw money at the problem to solve it, even from purely a cold PR perspective you wouldn't want deaths.Sandpit said:Are people still seriously thinking we will run out of medicines when we leave the EU?
We’ve already made it clear we will accept any medicine regulated in the EU, agreements have already been made to keep trucks trucking and planes flying in the event of no deal, so how do we run out?
Notwithstanding that we could source from North America or Asia in the short term if it were necessary.
The problems are the government has appeared incompetent at times and if it has the potential to affect your/families life quite badly then even only a small chance can be scary.
It could depend on your perception but those who maybe had a remain lean to start with and feel the Brexiteers have been shown to have lied about things since (which is the perception of some) they wouldn't feel very reassured when some people say things will be fine.
When it comes to things like medicines such reporting is highly irresponsible, even though it might help with swaying opinions and certainly sells newspapers.
It’s a big day for the PM today, unless she has a rabbit up her sleeve that can move 130 MPs to change their mind on her deal, the no-deal preparations have got to clearly step up a gear or two. There’s now less than ten weeks to go until we leave the EU, and the uncertainty is going to cause more disruption that would otherwise be the case due to the lack of time to implement the plans.
Yes, as a last resort we’d be moving medicines on military transport planes if that was what was required. I expect such plans are already well advanced and ready to go at very short notice.0 -
I have even less, now that some have moved on to saying it’s a price worth paying.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d have a lot more confidence if the people who say No Deal is nothing to be feared weren’t also the people who said No Deal wouldn’t happen/was Project Fear.
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You got a new job? Congratulations!TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.0 -
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
You imagine Brexit is likely to reverse that ?Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
Interesting article on that in todays Guardian by John Harris, who has been to one of Tim Martin's Wetherspoons meetings.Nigelb said:
I have even less, now that some have moved on to saying it’s a price worth paying.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d have a lot more confidence if the people who say No Deal is nothing to be feared weren’t also the people who said No Deal wouldn’t happen/was Project Fear.
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Alanbrooke seems to support Brexit so that everyone can suffer.eek said:
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
especially given their greater need...Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
The real tragedy is that back at the beginning even Mrs M recognised that something had to be done to reorient government priorities to address the many non-EU concerns that helped drive the vote. Yet precisely nothing has been done since.Nigelb said:
You imagine Brexit is likely to reverse that ?Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
The forward fleet is 8 x A330, 14 x A400M, 7 x C17 and 14 x C-130J. When you take away a/c committed to training, in maintenance and already on ops there isn't exactly a lot of spare capacity sat on the ramp at BZN. They would probably end up recalling some the A330 AirTanker fleet from the civilian lessors. Suddenly the AirTanker PFI looks like a good idea! However if that's what needs to be done then now would be the time do it.Sandpit said:
Yes, as a last resort we’d be moving medicines on military transport planes if that was what was required. I expect such plans are already well advanced and ready to go at very short notice.0 -
At least the economics part means he is numerate. One of the many problems with PPE is there are so many PP options that enable the essay-writing bluffer to ditch E altogether before the equations are introduced.Nigelb said:Another with a PPE degree from Oxford.
Though it was a first, and the thereafter had the good sense to enagage in remedial study at Cambridge (MPhil).... though there again it was economics.
ETA: Hancock's chances probably depend on avoiding the drugs shortage discussed on this thread.0 -
Given the games you play on here, I doubt it.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
Manipulation and trolling are your raison d’etre. Thankfully, most people are wise to it now so simply ignore you.
On topic, I’m not backing Hancock. I don’t see the leadership characteristics than others seem to feel might be there and I’m not tempted even at these odds.
He’s a competent first lieutenant, but nothing more.0 -
A no deal Brexit is likely to turn that into worse than nothing.IanB2 said:
The real tragedy is that back at the beginning even Mrs M recognised that something had to be done to reorient government priorities to address the many non-EU concerns that helped drive the vote. Yet precisely nothing has been done since.Nigelb said:
You imagine Brexit is likely to reverse that ?Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.
And those cheering for it now won’t be grateful.
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Hancock? Well why not, the rest of the Tories are as about useless and forgetable as he is.
The thing about this unedifying spectacle, especially since Theresa May seems to be the worlds greatest political zombie, is the simple banality of all the Tory offerings:
Johnson: Rogue and liar, also lazy and cant keep his trousers on- so obviously current favourite (in a party that previously chose Jeffrey Archer for... well, anything at all really)
Javid: bland and untainted with any opinions, faintly technocrat, otherwise deeply dull
Rudd: better than May, in the same way that Cleethorpes is better than Grimsby.
Hunt: The worlds greatest spoonerism, enough bodies at health to make things tricky
Raab: reminds you of the Maths teacher who thought he was "damn hard" but failed to keep order, even with a blackboard rubber, hard to tell apart from Gavin Williamson except by the extra vowel.
Davis: keeps being found on the streets in his pyjamas and needs to be taken home.
Liddington: a robotic garden gnome
Esther McVey: "the ego has landed", widely thought to keep winged monkeys
Williamson: you could walk in his deepest thoughts, and not get your feet wet.
Rees-Mogg: the face of Conservative future.
The list goes on and on and they are all pretty much dreadful.0 -
The number of medicines in shortage is currently marked less than it was in 2017.Gardenwalker said:
Another pearl clutcher.Casino_Royale said:
Charles is right: such comments are unbecoming of the posters concerned, add nothing to the debate, and are extremely provocative.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
Believe you me, I have little time for the Tory MPs who are failing to dutifully support their PM in their reckless support of No Deal and I see no need for such language. They will have to own it and explain themselves to their constituents and the country if there are serious consequences.
Which was nowt to do with Brexit scares.0 -
The first thing you do when you have a problemis recognise. Telling people no problem exists when clearly it does simply leads to the breakdown of normal politics we have seen.eek said:
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.0
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DayTripper said:
We may not run out of medicines, but there are already disruptions occurring in the supply chain, for whatever reason. For the last couple of months, picking up my repeat prescription, I am finding that I have to make repeated visits to pick up different bits (whereas it was always delivered in one go before) and that multiples of different doses of some drugs are being substituted. The pharmacist at my surgery tells me that they are having increasing difficulties in getting supplies on a regular basis.Sandpit said:Are people still seriously thinking we will run out of medicines when we leave the EU?
We’ve already made it clear we will accept any medicine regulated in the EU, agreements have already been made to keep trucks trucking and planes flying in the event of no deal, so how do we run out?
Notwithstanding that we could source from North America or Asia in the short term if it were necessary.
This may be because there is stockpiling going on further up the delivery chain, or it may be for some other reason. The point is, even if there are no shortages, supply chains start to break down very quickly, so anybody thinking there will be minimal impact from a no-deal Brexit is indulging in wishful thinking, to say the least.
There was an interesting discussion about the medicine shortage on R5 last week. It has apparently been an increasing problem for a decade. It is not Brexit related but caused by pharmaceutical companies moving supply to countries willing to pay more for certain drugs than the NHS does. It isa real problem for pharmacists who are suddenly finding certain drugs much more expensive to source than the NHS reimbursement.
Just another example of a global market where western countries no longer call the shots.0 -
Now youre just off one handed posting again.Gardenwalker said:
Alanbrooke seems to support Brexit so that everyone can suffer.eek said:
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.
I get monumentally bored posting I voted Brexit and wanted a soft Brexit and would happily vote for Mrs Ms deal. In your madcap world where everyone is Nigel Farages evil twin there is no room for understanding others positions. But there you go.0 -
He is a nasty piece of work for sure.Charles said:
I think it was you who wished to stop any fiscal transfers and cancel the pensions of people who live in the Midlands and the North.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.
You should be ashamed of yourself0 -
A couple of years ago you said the same when I said some Brexiteers didn’t really believe in Brexit but backed it for their leadership ambitions/keep their constituency members happy.Casino_Royale said:
Given the games you play on here, I doubt it.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
Manipulation and trolling are your raison d’etre. Thankfully, most people are wise to it now so simply ignore you.
On topic, I’m not backing Hancock. I don’t see the leadership characteristics than others seem to feel might be there and I’m not tempted even at these odds.
He’s a competent first lieutenant, but nothing more.
Now you openly say the same.0 -
Indeed.Nigelb said:
I have even less, now that some have moved on to saying it’s a price worth paying.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d have a lot more confidence if the people who say No Deal is nothing to be feared weren’t also the people who said No Deal wouldn’t happen/was Project Fear.
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The parallel import industry exists for a reason. There are shortages from time to time - there’s been a big issue with US based manufacturing of injectable generics for exampleGardenwalker said:
I don’t think I mentioned medicine shortages, although Foxy - who at least works in the NHS - suggested they were already here!Richard_Tyndall said:
The clowns - or rather the fools - are the ones who believe all the scare stories about medocines running out. There are good reasons why we should avoid a No Deal. This is not one of them.Gardenwalker said:
Says the clown who voted for all this.Charles said:
No, but you wanted MPs who backed leave to be deprived of medicines first in the event of shortages. I repeat: you should be ashamed of yourself.Cyclefree said:
I have not planned any asset seizures or pogroms.Charles said:I saw in the last thread lots of people planning pogroms and asset seizures (mostly the usual suspects, but @Cyclefree you should be ashamed of yourself).
Guys: it says far more about you than anything else. It’s not a pleasant sight.
And it’s worth making sure you “win” before you plan the victory parade
So you should not make unjustified accusations.
No-one is going to “win”. But I am worried that those who are pushing us towards a No Deal exit are blithely oblivious of the possible consequences, especially for others less able than them to bear them. I need medecine as do members of my family and the consequences of not having it are potentially serious. So when I feel angry about the frivolous disregard for the possible consequences by some Brexiteers I think that we might have better decision-making if those proposing courses of action actually felt the consequences of their decisions.0 -
Top bloke. He won’t be alone.IanB2 said:R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.
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But the most fascinating element of popular no-dealism is altogether more complicated, and built on a defiant rejection of all the warnings about falling off a cliff edge, so passionate that the refusal of advice feels more relevant to what people think than what the most reckless kind of Brexit actually might entail. In that sense, supporting no deal amounts to the same performative “fuck you” that defined a reasonable share of the original vote for leave.OldKingCole said:
Interesting article on that in todays Guardian by John Harris, who has been to one of Tim Martin's Wetherspoons meetings.Nigelb said:
I have even less, now that some have moved on to saying it’s a price worth paying.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d have a lot more confidence if the people who say No Deal is nothing to be feared weren’t also the people who said No Deal wouldn’t happen/was Project Fear.
Somewhere between the Wetherspoons spirit, a mass desire to simply get Brexit over with and the mirage of a wronged country fighting for survival, there might lie the key to why no-dealism is suddenly proving more popular than some people would like to imagine. A no-deal exit would confirm that politics has entered the realms of the darkly surreal, and that 23 June 2016 was only the start.0 -
Scott Mann or Marcus Rush could replace him..TheScreamingEagles said:
Top bloke. He won’t be alone.IanB2 said:R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.
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Fysh*0
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Agree that we need to start on execution ASAP. If, as seems increasingly likely. the political argument is going to do down to a week or two before the deadline, then we’d better be ready for any outcome.Dura_Ace said:
The forward fleet is 8 x A330, 14 x A400M, 7 x C17 and 14 x C-130J. When you take away a/c committed to training, in maintenance and already on ops there isn't exactly a lot of spare capacity sat on the ramp at BZN. They would probably end up recalling some the A330 AirTanker fleet from the civilian lessors. Suddenly the AirTanker PFI looks like a good idea! However if that's what needs to be done then now would be the time do it.Sandpit said:
Yes, as a last resort we’d be moving medicines on military transport planes if that was what was required. I expect such plans are already well advanced and ready to go at very short notice.
That’s not a bad transport fleet, although as you say they’re not all just sitting at Brize on standby. I’m sure Uncle Sam Donald’s got a few C-5s and a lot of C17s he could loan us in a real emergency, and there’s plenty of idle civvy 747Fs around - maybe even some airworthy ones.0 -
Very amusing. However there is one clown with a low IQ and a dodgy backstory that is now only fooling about 20% of the population. He is the alternative, and he makes all but the first and last one you listed look competent and attractive.Cicero said:Hancock? Well why not, the rest of the Tories are as about useless and forgetable as he is.
The thing about this unedifying spectacle, especially since Theresa May seems to be the worlds greatest political zombie, is the simple banality of all the Tory offerings:
Johnson: Rogue and liar, also lazy and cant keep his trousers on- so obviously current favourite (in a party that previously chose Jeffrey Archer for... well, anything at all really)
Javid: bland and untainted with any opinions, faintly technocrat, otherwise deeply dull
Rudd: better than May, in the same way that Cleethorpes is better than Grimsby.
Hunt: The worlds greatest spoonerism, enough bodies at health to make things tricky
Raab: reminds you of the Maths teacher who thought he was "damn hard" but failed to keep order, even with a blackboard rubber, hard to tell apart from Gavin Williamson except by the extra vowel.
Davis: keeps being found on the streets in his pyjamas and needs to be taken home.
Liddington: a robotic garden gnome
Esther McVey: "the ego has landed", widely thought to keep winged monkeys
Williamson: you could walk in his deepest thoughts, and not get your feet wet.
Rees-Mogg: the face of Conservative future.
The list goes on and on and they are all pretty much dreadful.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Hmm, got to say, I'm not convinced by Hancock. Lightweight.
Of course, the Conservatives aren't brimming with heavyweights.0 -
Weak.TheScreamingEagles said:
A couple of years ago you said the same when I said some Brexiteers didn’t really believe in Brexit but backed it for their leadership ambitions/keep their constituency members happy.Casino_Royale said:
Given the games you play on here, I doubt it.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
Manipulation and trolling are your raison d’etre. Thankfully, most people are wise to it now so simply ignore you.
On topic, I’m not backing Hancock. I don’t see the leadership characteristics than others seem to feel might be there and I’m not tempted even at these odds.
He’s a competent first lieutenant, but nothing more.
Now you openly say the same.0 -
And you are proving exactly why the idea of Frankfurt taking over from London is a fallacy.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
People don't want to go there. There are still jobs here for those who won't. And companies don't want to lose their best people - the ones who have that choice of refusing.0 -
Brexit is a religion of psychopathy and hypocrisy. Apparently there is a majority among Leavers who think it is still worth it even if members of their own families suffer. No doubt their view would immediately change if they knew there own job or pension would suddenly melt away.Gardenwalker said:
Alanbrooke seems to support Brexit so that everyone can suffer.eek said:
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.0 -
No party is brimming with heavyweights. Most people nowadays avoid Politics as the stress (24 hour news and Social Media) means its not worth it for the amount you are paid..Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Hmm, got to say, I'm not convinced by Hancock. Lightweight.
Of course, the Conservatives aren't brimming with heavyweights.0 -
Well if the scare stroies prove well founded, we won't have a need for a Business Minister....IanB2 said:R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.
But I suspect there'd be another one along almost immediately - and business wouldn't notice the disruption.0 -
There are no heavyweights in any of the parties,.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Hmm, got to say, I'm not convinced by Hancock. Lightweight.
Of course, the Conservatives aren't brimming with heavyweights.0 -
Hancock comes across quite well on television and is a safe pair of hands but if and when May goes it is hard to see the Tory membership not electing a No Dealer to succeed her0
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It's just one glib dismissal after another for you, isn't it. Based on nothing other than faith.MarqueeMark said:
Well if the scare stroies prove well founded, we won't have a need for a Business Minister....IanB2 said:R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.
But I suspect there'd be another one along almost immediately - and business wouldn't notice the disruption.0 -
Hancock is a strawman, like both Hunt and Javid. He’d be a disaster. Tough to see anyone in the Cabinet as leadership material and not too many on the back benches. If the Tories could stop squabbling over Brexit, Raab, Mercer, Cleverly or an outsider like Sunak, who clearly has a brain, would be all worth consideration. As it is, the next leadership contest, if the Tories manage to hold together, will be largely Brexit based rather than policy based which will put the parliamentary party at odds with membership once again.0
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The better question is why you even think this is an appropriate conversation in a first world state. But of course your "we" is brought live from Dubai.Sandpit said:
Agree that we need to start on execution ASAP. If, as seems increasingly likely. the political argument is going to do down to a week or two before the deadline, then we’d better be ready for any outcome.Dura_Ace said:
The forward fleet is 8 x A330, 14 x A400M, 7 x C17 and 14 x C-130J. When you take away a/c committed to training, in maintenance and already on ops there isn't exactly a lot of spare capacity sat on the ramp at BZN. They would probably end up recalling some the A330 AirTanker fleet from the civilian lessors. Suddenly the AirTanker PFI looks like a good idea! However if that's what needs to be done then now would be the time do it.Sandpit said:
Yes, as a last resort we’d be moving medicines on military transport planes if that was what was required. I expect such plans are already well advanced and ready to go at very short notice.
That’s not a bad transport fleet, although as you say they’re not all just sitting at Brize on standby. I’m sure Uncle Sam Donald’s got a few C-5s and a lot of C17s he could loan us in a real emergency, and there’s plenty of idle civvy 747Fs around - maybe even some airworthy ones.0 -
Mr. eek/Mr. Root, I agree, only limited my comment to the blues because that's the specific leadership under discussion.0
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How is failing to defend financial services in the Brexit talks or being part of an organisation that provides funding to non EU businesses like Ford to relocate from the U.K., an EU member to Turkey that is not, not selling business down the river.MarqueeMark said:
Well if the scare stroies prove well founded, we won't have a need for a Business Minister....IanB2 said:R4: Business Minister Harrington says he is not prepared to sell business down the river for other people's political priorities, and will resign if no deal.
But I suspect there'd be another one along almost immediately - and business wouldn't notice the disruption.
The business portfolio is pretty redundant. We’ve never had anyone in the brief who has any worthwhile experience or done anything worthwhile.0 -
That’s becoming a bigger problem, the only people left are those who consider politics as a career they go into aged 21. Those in their 40s or 50s who used to stand for Parliament, to give something back after a career elsewhere, have all but disappeared.eek said:
No party is brimming with heavyweights. Most people nowadays avoid Politics as the stress (24 hour news and Social Media) means its not worth it for the amount you are paid..Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Hmm, got to say, I'm not convinced by Hancock. Lightweight.
Of course, the Conservatives aren't brimming with heavyweights.0 -
Hopefully sanity will prevail and that will not happen. Supporters of No Deal are almost universally at the low IQ end of the Tory party, with the exception of Boris who is a charlatan. It is a very worrying development for democracy if the competing PMs are at the political extremes and the only thing they have in common is that they are both intellectually as thick as shit.HYUFD said:Hancock comes across quite well on television and is a safe pair of hands but if and when May goes it is hard to see the Tory membership not electing a No Dealer to succeed her
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Your stock post is a bitch about how the elite have let manufacturing down these past twenty years.Alanbrooke said:
Now youre just off one handed posting again.Gardenwalker said:
Alanbrooke seems to support Brexit so that everyone can suffer.eek said:
The problem with that argument is that it doesn't solve anything - it's like a child having a temper tantrum because he can't have ice cream while someone else is eating one...Alanbrooke said:
You mean like factory workers who have had their jobs sent out to Europe for years now and whose upside was a fairly weak redundancy package ?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Alanbrooke said:
what your new employer is sending you to Germany as well ?TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
But I liked my old job but others don’t have the luxury I have.
Thats the world we have made Mr Eagles and anyone protesting was told to shut up.
I get monumentally bored posting I voted Brexit and wanted a soft Brexit and would happily vote for Mrs Ms deal. In your madcap world where everyone is Nigel Farages evil twin there is no room for understanding others positions. But there you go.
Therefore, Brexit is worth voting for so that the “elite” get a taste of their own medicine.
It’s simple nihilism.0 -
Adding insult to injury?MarqueeMark said:
And you are proving exactly why the idea of Frankfurt taking over from London is a fallacy.TheScreamingEagles said:I’d also point out my job was effectively relocated to Germany thanks to Brexit.
Something Leavers said wouldn’t happen either.
People don't want to go there. There are still jobs here for those who won't. And companies don't want to lose their best people - the ones who have that choice of refusing.0
