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Funnily enough, it did suffer a severe drought during the height of summer, but not even the most rabid Remainer attributed it to Brexit.DavidL said:
Only the most dedicated remainers can convince themselves that Cumbria is going to get short of water. Presumably they think the locusts will drink it all.Nigelb said:
To be fair, there is a big overlap between Brexiteers, and those who get riled up about the overseas aid budget.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one hell of a sunlit uplandScott_P said:
Win/win for them, I guess.0 -
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
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Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
Now looking at Betfair prices:
Lab Most seats 2.13 (Implies Corbyn PM of 2.0 should a GE happen perhaps since he does NOT need most seats to form a minority administration (the Tories lack allies))
2019 GE 2.53
2019 MayExit 1.435 Implies NoMayExit 2019 3.3
A MayExit in 2019 occurs one of two ways - resignation AFTER a GE defeat by Corbyn, or resignation WHEN there is no GE defeat by Corbyn.
2019 GE+ Tory defeat implied at 2.0 * 2.53 = 5.06
Importantly that probability space can be occupied by May or AN Other Tory... Nevertheless we estimate it to be 19.76% from Betfair prices of Lab Most Seats and 2019 GE.
MayXit with no GE preceeding must be 1/1.435 - 0.1976 = 50% probability. This portion definitely excludes Corbyn as PM I think...
30% May gets through to the end of 2019.
What does all this mean ? I'm not sure - here might be some way to combine these probabilities to yield the 'correct' price (In terms of other prices) for Corbyn after MayExit 2019 though....
Requires further thought.
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I at least respect the honesty of those who favour no deal, for whatever reason. While the default of no deal is not as certain as it once was with the court ruling, that honesty is better than those who claim to despise no deal while happy to risk it.Sean_F said:
There are both Leavers and Remainers who favour No Deal. The former, because they believe it would be a good thing, the latter, because they think it would be a bad thing.kle4 said:
No deal Brexiters and remainers who don't care if no deal is risked (I think push comes to shove we'll revoke too, but boy what a risk to take).Scott_P said:0 -
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
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I hear it’s pretty good for computer science too ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law0 -
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
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I find that hard to believe. None of them?Peter_the_Punter said:
Funnily enough, it did suffer a severe drought during the height of summer, but not even the most rabid Remainer attributed it to Brexit.DavidL said:
Only the most dedicated remainers can convince themselves that Cumbria is going to get short of water. Presumably they think the locusts will drink it all.Nigelb said:
To be fair, there is a big overlap between Brexiteers, and those who get riled up about the overseas aid budget.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one hell of a sunlit uplandScott_P said:
Win/win for them, I guess.0 -
Looks like my uni has slipped quite a bit since I left, naturally.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
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Sky News don't need any help looking daft. Possibly the worst news channel going which is saying something.Richard_Tyndall said:
That's 101%. I know it will be due to rounding errors but it does make them look rather daft.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Day after day, day after day,Foxy said:
Yes, I think the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, with the albatross of Brexit around her neck is more apt.kle4 said:
I was thinking to properly convey the problem a sense of being in the deep ocean, becalmed for weeks, was more apt.Foxy said:
Up the creek without a paddle, surely?kle4 said:
I appreciate her sailing skills in being able to keep us afloat, and for seeing off that mutiny, but the ship is now taking on water, we've lost the navigational charts, are running low on food, and we never actually knew where we were headed in the first place.Big_G_NorthWales said:I know many may expect me to say this but, yet again, TM has again sailed through another stormy sea
"And having once turned round walks on,
And turns no more his head;
Because he knows, a frightful fiend
Doth close behind him tread."
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship
Upon a painted ocean.
Alone, alone, all, all alone,
Alone on a wide wide sea!
And never a saint took pity on
My soul in agony.
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There has to be an arbitrage opportunity in there somewhere?Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
Now looking at Betfair prices:
Lab Most seats 2.13 (Implies Corbyn PM of 2.0 should a GE happen perhaps since he does NOT need most seats to form a minority administration (the Tories lack allies))
2019 GE 2.53
2019 MayExit 1.435 Implies NoMayExit 2019 3.3
A MayExit in 2019 occurs one of two ways - resignation AFTER a GE defeat by Corbyn, or resignation WHEN there is no GE defeat by Corbyn.
2019 GE+ Tory defeat implied at 2.0 * 2.53 = 5.06
Importantly that probability space can be occupied by May or AN Other Tory... Nevertheless we estimate it to be 19.76% from Betfair prices of Lab Most Seats and 2019 GE.
MayXit with no GE preceeding must be 1/1.435 - 0.1976 = 50% probability. This portion definitely excludes Corbyn as PM I think...
30% May gets through to the end of 2019.
What does all this mean ? I'm not sure - here might be some way to combine these probabilities to yield the 'correct' price (In terms of other prices) for Corbyn after MayExit 2019 though....
Requires further thought.0 -
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
That chart is completely ridiculous. Edinburgh is so far ahead of Glasgow in law as to be out of sight with pretty much every distinguished Scots academic lawyer in their faculty. I didn't go to either but that really doesn't inspire confidence.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law0 -
Personally, I think doing law as a undergraduate degree when it’s not needed to qualify is an odd choice. One can something more interesting instead. Perhaps only the weaker candidates need take a law degree to make up for their weakenesses.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law0 -
Certainly no election looks at all likely now before end of February.0
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Surely Corbyn just represents a 1/6 chance of May falling early leading to a Labour government.
While assorted Tories together represent a 5/6 chance that doesn't happen.
The only reason that Corbyn is favourite is because there's no unified Tory candidate.0 -
Suddenly I understand. May isn't running down the clock on Brexit; She's running down the clock till Corbyn drops dead.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
Thanks.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
All those veggies from the allotment and cycling will keep him fit until his nineties.grabcocque said:
Suddenly I understand. May isn't running down the clock on Brexit; She's running down the clock till Corbyn drops dead.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
The age of 70 today though is probably the equivalent of 60 as late as the 1950s. On that basis, he is younger in real terms than Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee and Macmillan.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
He looks to be in fine fettle, no fear of that.grabcocque said:
Suddenly I understand. May isn't running down the clock on Brexit; She's running down the clock till Corbyn drops dead.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
And if today is anything to go by she is really working on his blood pressure too.grabcocque said:
Suddenly I understand. May isn't running down the clock on Brexit; She's running down the clock till Corbyn drops dead.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
Well, I had my suspicions....but didn't voice them, David.DavidL said:
I find that hard to believe. None of them?Peter_the_Punter said:
Funnily enough, it did suffer a severe drought during the height of summer, but not even the most rabid Remainer attributed it to Brexit.DavidL said:
Only the most dedicated remainers can convince themselves that Cumbria is going to get short of water. Presumably they think the locusts will drink it all.Nigelb said:
To be fair, there is a big overlap between Brexiteers, and those who get riled up about the overseas aid budget.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one hell of a sunlit uplandScott_P said:
Win/win for them, I guess.0 -
Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.0
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Though they didn't have the stresses of a 24/7 news media ...justin124 said:
The age of 70 today though is probably the equivalent of 60 as late as the 1950s. On that basis, he is younger in real terms than Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee and Macmillan.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.
... which I'm sure some self-pitying MPs would view as more stressful than having to deal with WWII.0 -
The job is far more demanding though. Macmillan was reading literature during his premiership. I very much doubt Theresa May is doing the same.justin124 said:
The age of 70 today though is probably the equivalent of 60 as late as the 1950s. On that basis, he is younger in real terms than Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee and Macmillan.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
The real test is if he ever becomes PM, as that is a totally unrelenting schedule. You see all age very quickly and is why actually I always thought Blair and Cameron having numerous chillaxing breaks during a year was very sensible.kle4 said:
He looks to be in fine fettle, no fear of that.grabcocque said:
Suddenly I understand. May isn't running down the clock on Brexit; She's running down the clock till Corbyn drops dead.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.
Brown couldn’t hack it, even though he has been in a big job for years, as all of a sudden it is day in day out that you are expected to be constantly on the go.0 -
Theresa May fled the chamber after Corbyn put down a vote of no confidence against her.0
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Never interrupt Jeremy when he is making a mistake.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/10747246305002332180 -
Which gets heard when?williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
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Perhaps May thinks that the season of goodwill and a bellyfull of sprouts will make her party less fractious.kle4 said:
It does, however on the other hand they have discussed the issues to death, and they are not actually going to advance things with more discussion. Decisions would be welcome, and would be possible at least in ruling out options, but are they really any more or less likely to make a call now or in 2 weeks?AndyJS said:It seems a bit ridiculous for parliament to take a 2 week break when there are so many important issues to be discussed and decided upon.
Perhaps May thinks her MPs will be won round by two weeks in the capable hands of the activists and leadership of the Conservative Associations of darkest Leaverstan.
Perhaps May still believes in a magic EUCO Summit in January that's going to save her.
These are forlorn hopes, but this is a magical time of the year, and Mrs May's hopes spring eternal.0 -
No real downside to trying it, even with the possibility of Labour's vague Brexit position needing to be clarified if it were to succeed.williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
Is there any chance of anyone not voting on party lines or the current independents not all voting against the government?0 -
Apologies if this idea has been floated on here already (I'm guessing it has since it's a fairly obvious way out of the impasse) but perhaps TM ought to make a radical and at first sight taunting and satirical offer to the ERG. Support the WA and in return she will put David Davis in charge of negotiating a super Canada as the FTA. And not only that. At the same time a very serious and harrowing workstream to be set up under Boris Johnson (with Liam Fox doing the leg work), objective being to grind out the consequently necessary 'high tech' solution to the Irish border. So off they go and in the meantime she and Olly Robbins can work on more of a Norway plus or a Chequers minus. See who gets there first. That seems like a win win to me, although I suspect that win wins are not what anyone really wants right now.0
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Or perhaps merely left the chamber?old_labour said:Theresa May fled the chamber after Corbyn put down a vote of no confidence against her.
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I have backed both leaders to be gone next year (mostly in the Jul-Sep window) - it was looking a bit hairy last week...AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
A motion of no confidence in the Prime Minister.
This is a nice christmas surprise...0 -
You can't play this sort of card too often. It is an abuse of Parliament to keep trying it.kle4 said:
No real downside to trying it, even with the possibility of Labour's vague Brexit position needing to be clarified if it were to succeed.williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
Is there any chance of anyone not voting on party lines or the current independents not all voting against the government?0 -
Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?0
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You might argue it's an abuse of shame and decency to keep ignoring Parliament when it's trying to tell you something.oxfordsimon said:
You can't play this sort of card too often. It is an abuse of Parliament to keep trying it.kle4 said:
No real downside to trying it, even with the possibility of Labour's vague Brexit position needing to be clarified if it were to succeed.williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
Is there any chance of anyone not voting on party lines or the current independents not all voting against the government?0 -
EU not being helpful to T May today. They have announced that mini-deals would be done on - " British citizens living or travelling in the EU, financial services, transport, customs, health and animal health checks, personal data and EU climate policy."
They would last about 9 months so the UK could sign proper bilaterals with individual EU countries.
More fuel to the Managed No Deal crowd.0 -
My interpretation is better.kle4 said:
Or perhaps merely left the chamber?old_labour said:Theresa May fled the chamber after Corbyn put down a vote of no confidence against her.
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I would have thought that Chamberlain and Churchill faced much greater pressures.Corbyn might also be a bit like Attlee - and not be too bothered about media comment.AlastairMeeks said:
The job is far more demanding though. Macmillan was reading literature during his premiership. I very much doubt Theresa May is doing the same.justin124 said:
The age of 70 today though is probably the equivalent of 60 as late as the 1950s. On that basis, he is younger in real terms than Chamberlain, Churchill, Attlee and Macmillan.AlastairMeeks said:
1) He's 70 next year. He'll have to retire sometime.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you show your workings?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think it's at all clear that Jeremy Corbyn will still be Labour party leader at the end of 2019.Pulpstar said:Overarching assumption - Corbyn is safe in 2019.
2) Brexit is going to have a lot of unpredictable effects.0 -
May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.0
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There are no limits on how often oppositions may move motions of no confidence, but it's unusual to have one unless you think there's a good chance of winning. In this case, I don't think Labour have much to lose though.FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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I'm sure putting one down every week would be frowned on, but trying now and then doing so again after the MV would not seem unreasonable.oxfordsimon said:
You can't play this sort of card too often. It is an abuse of Parliament to keep trying it.kle4 said:
No real downside to trying it, even with the possibility of Labour's vague Brexit position needing to be clarified if it were to succeed.williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
Is there any chance of anyone not voting on party lines or the current independents not all voting against the government?
Except it isn't, since they don't agree on what to do, and the one thing most of them did agree on she did attempt to do, just unsuccessfully.grabcocque said:
You might argue it's an abuse of shame and decency to keep ignoring Parliament when it's trying to tell you something.oxfordsimon said:
You can't play this sort of card too often. It is an abuse of Parliament to keep trying it.kle4 said:
No real downside to trying it, even with the possibility of Labour's vague Brexit position needing to be clarified if it were to succeed.williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
Is there any chance of anyone not voting on party lines or the current independents not all voting against the government?0 -
It's got Oxford third for History, ahead of the likes of Exeter, which is also laughable.DavidL said:
That chart is completely ridiculous. Edinburgh is so far ahead of Glasgow in law as to be out of sight with pretty much every distinguished Scots academic lawyer in their faculty. I didn't go to either but that really doesn't inspire confidence.TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one place to read Law.FrancisUrquhart said:
Pretty good? Ranked 81st out of 101 in law....matt said:
Before you patronise too much, I believe that law there is pretty good. Not brilliant but neither is it appalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
The university of Hertfordshire not exactly known for its academic excellence.oxfordsimon said:
It is scary that she is a solicitor. What does that say about the state of legal training at the moment?TheScreamingEagles said:The defence said this!!!!
https://twitter.com/SiDedman/status/1074712370746920961
She seems to be claiming incompetence as her defence.
As I said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if she threw her brother under the bus (not pre-agreed to be clear). Family relations can be repaired. If she loses though, MP over, practicing certificate will go. From what one can see it’s not as if she has anything to fall back on. In practice her life as it is will be irrevocably over with no obvious alternative.
It’s a pretty easy choice. I’ve no doubt it would be true if she claimed it as lying to a court would not be helpful.
https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=law
Hertfordshire used to have a pretty good History faculty ten years ago. Don't know what it's like now.0 -
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
IIRC Mrs Thatcher put down several during the 1974-1979 Parliament,FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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I think Corbyn was feeling the pressure from the SNP and, erm, the Democratic Liberals, I think.0
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Last word is superfluous. And indeed, they were never going to be helpful to any Prime Minister.ralphmalph said:EU not being helpful to T May today.
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More dramatic at least.old_labour said:
My interpretation is better.kle4 said:
Or perhaps merely left the chamber?old_labour said:Theresa May fled the chamber after Corbyn put down a vote of no confidence against her.
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I think its more like Corbyn and McDonnell's old favourites, the IRA. They only have to get lucky once, the government has to every time.FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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117 Tories expressed no confidence in May in the anonymity of a secret ballot. Be interesting to know just how many will have the guts to do it in public.Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
Yes, it is a vote of NC in the PM (not the government) it seems.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
Interesting, but what happens if she loses?
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That isn't what the administrative and constitutional affairs committee report says. They say that Mrs May would be expected to resign if she lost.TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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Callaghan moved a VONC in early 1980 despite Thatcher having a majority of over 40.grabcocque said:
There are no limits on how often oppositions may move motions of no confidence, but it's unusual to have one unless you think there's a good chance of winning. In this case, I don't think Labour have much to lose though.FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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Is it? Are you sure?williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If so the DUP should vote with Corbyn, against May. That's the ultimate logic of their position, especially if this is not an FTPA-binding vote. Doubt they will though, if Labour was led by someone less toxic (to them) they might have.0 -
It gets 'vote of no confidence in May' back as the headline narrative, not 'Labour vacillating on Brexit'. Not a waste of time to Corbyn (ok, Labour discussions were not the main headline, but the calls for a vote were making some stories).TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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She’ll probably try to make a virtue of it and pose as the defender of the will of the people against an undemocratic parliament.Foxy said:
Yes, it is a vote of NC in the PM (not the government) it seems.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
Interesting, but what happens if she loses?0 -
And that was a pointless piece of gesture politics by someone who should have known better.justin124 said:
Callaghan moved a VONC in early 1980 despite Thatcher having a majority of over 40.grabcocque said:
There are no limits on how often oppositions may move motions of no confidence, but it's unusual to have one unless you think there's a good chance of winning. In this case, I don't think Labour have much to lose though.FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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Maybe the Speaker would vote against her? He doesn't seem to like her much.grabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
Corbyn playing Westminster bubble games just weeks from Brexit...kle4 said:
It gets 'vote of no confidence in May' back as the headline narrative, not 'Labour vacillating on Brexit'. Not a waste of time to Corbyn (ok, Labour discussions were not the main headline, but the calls for a vote were making some stories).TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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Expected to is not obliged to? Given there is a method by which she would be obliged to, it seems bizarre there would be another method that required it.grabcocque said:
That isn't what the administrative and constitutional affairs committee report says. They say that Mrs May would be expected to resign if she lost.TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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1 is pretty close to 3. I was going off memory.grabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-administration-and-constitutional-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2017/confidence-motions-fixed-term-parliament-act-report-published-17-19/Foxy said:
Yes, it is a vote of NC in the PM (not the government) it seems.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
Interesting, but what happens if she loses?
So the constitutional affairs committee believes May would have to resign if she lost.0 -
Well, everyone else is!TGOHF said:
Corbyn playing Westminster bubble games just weeks from Brexit...kle4 said:
It gets 'vote of no confidence in May' back as the headline narrative, not 'Labour vacillating on Brexit'. Not a waste of time to Corbyn (ok, Labour discussions were not the main headline, but the calls for a vote were making some stories).TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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Really? There is an obvious downside to this trick being repeated to limited gains.Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
When will the vote take place?williamglenn said:Corbyn’s just tabled the motion of no confidence in May.
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There should be a book on the first MP to get this wrong in the debate... Lammy would open as favourite I think.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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Looks like Corbyn forgot to tell McDonnell. They are as much of a shambles as the government, only with less excuse.0
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Since the PM in law is the government, what's the difference? It would be like saying we'll cut off a leg but not the foot.Foxy said:
Yes, it is a vote of NC in the PM (not the government) it seems.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
Interesting, but what happens if she loses?
All this tells me is that Corbyn is still mind-bendingly inept and disingenuous, but anyone who didn't know that already hasn't been paying attention.0 -
So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?0
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Thatcher did likewise in Autumn 1978 following the end of the LibLab pact.It was very unlikely to succeed because at that point the SNP were still backing Callaghan.oxfordsimon said:
And that was a pointless piece of gesture politics by someone who should have known better.justin124 said:
Callaghan moved a VONC in early 1980 despite Thatcher having a majority of over 40.grabcocque said:
There are no limits on how often oppositions may move motions of no confidence, but it's unusual to have one unless you think there's a good chance of winning. In this case, I don't think Labour have much to lose though.FrancisUrquhart said:Are motions of no confidence like votes on Europe ie you can keep asking until you get the answer you want?
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No policy is better than a crap policy ?Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like Corbyn forgot to tell McDonnell. They are as much of a shambles as the government, only with less excuse.
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Well we seem to be long past the point where Shelterbox could usefully provide housing here in the UK.Scott_P said:0 -
Does Corbyn actually know what the difference is between PM and Goverment in this situation?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
I am not 100% convinced he does.0 -
He's a man who claims to be a pacifist and yet supports terrorists and totalitarian regimes. Yet you're looking for logic?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
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I would think May would want this vote to be pretty quick. She wanted MPs to be reflecting on no deal Brexit over the break, not on her premiership.0
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Presumably the vote will be scheduled for the next available slot, sometime in February or something.0
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Here ye go:Morris_Dancer said:What May says and what May does are not necessarily the same thing.
FPT: yeah, Mr. Jessop, you did a very good job, though. I had a quick think for improving the flow (when I beta read for other people I try to come up with suggestions as "this could be better", whilst accurate, isn't hugely helpful) but nothing came to mind.
You should repost it.
I am the very model of a Brexiteer-General,
I've less information than a vegetable, animal, or mineral,
I love the kings of England, and I fight the fights historical
From Amsterdam to Maastricht, in order categorical;
I'm ill acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
For me all votes of confidence are problematical,
About the evils of Europe I'm teeming with a lot o' news, (bothered for a rhyme)
With many dismal facts about those awful remainers' views.0 -
I make it 2.grabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.
Wonder when/if this vote will take place? The Government has to grant it room in the timetable, apparently.0 -
Quite.kle4 said:
Expected to is not obliged to? Given there is a method by which she would be obliged to, it seems bizarre there would be another method that required it.grabcocque said:
That isn't what the administrative and constitutional affairs committee report says. They say that Mrs May would be expected to resign if she lost.TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
I would suggest this Occams' razor gives you the correct answer.0 -
I would assume those more canny than him plotted this out.oxfordsimon said:
Does Corbyn actually know what the difference is between PM and Goverment in this situation?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
I am not 100% convinced he does.0 -
Titter ....FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
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DUP have said they will support TMgrabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
And annoys the voters even morekle4 said:
It gets 'vote of no confidence in May' back as the headline narrative, not 'Labour vacillating on Brexit'. Not a waste of time to Corbyn (ok, Labour discussions were not the main headline, but the calls for a vote were making some stories).TGOHF said:
Waste of time then.williamglenn said:
It’s a vote in her personally and has no significance for the FTPA.TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
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“Mary Creagh
@MaryCreaghMP
BREAKING Jeremy Corbyn tables no confidence motion in the Government.”
Is Twitter designed as a mechanism for the ignorant to advertise their ignorance?0 -
Cool. All she needs now is to get her own side on board.Big_G_NorthWales said:
DUP have said they will support TMgrabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
If Macdonnell didn't know, then that won't have happened. He's the only one at the top of Labour with a fully functioning brain, even if he does sometimes make Dominic Cummings look like a sane and responsible human being.kle4 said:
I would assume those more canny than him plotted this out.oxfordsimon said:
Does Corbyn actually know what the difference is between PM and Goverment in this situation?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
I am not 100% convinced he does.0 -
They'll do it twice. Once this week, and once after the MV.BannedInParis said:
Really? There is an obvious downside to this trick being repeated to limited gains.Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
Waste of a day in parly then..Big_G_NorthWales said:
DUP have said they will support TMgrabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.
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Quite 2. Electric Bugaloo.ydoethur said:
If Macdonnell didn't know, then that won't have happened.kle4 said:
I would assume those more canny than him plotted this out.oxfordsimon said:
Does Corbyn actually know what the difference is between PM and Goverment in this situation?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
I am not 100% convinced he does.
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No, the DUP have said they won't support Labour...Big_G_NorthWales said:
DUP have said they will support TMgrabcocque said:
I think May's nominal majority is 3, if the DUP abstain right?Philip_Thompson said:
Will she?TGOHF said:May will win the vote hands down - what a clownshoe Corbyn is.
If the DUP abstain then I believe she wins my pretty close to 1 vote. That's not hands down, it is embarrassingly close.
Plus there's nothing to stop Corbyn doing this again in January. And February. And March. I see no downside for him.0 -
That is quite an assumption to make. Given that at 2pm he was going to call for a VONC, at 3pm he wasn't and now at 5.55pm he is.kle4 said:
I would assume those more canny than him plotted this out.oxfordsimon said:
Does Corbyn actually know what the difference is between PM and Goverment in this situation?FrancisUrquhart said:So hold on May would be expected to resign and the tories elect a new leader...is jezza sure he wants that?
I am not 100% convinced he does.
That isn't strategic thinking or planning.0 -
Reposts are the first sign of SunilitisJosiasJessop said:
Here ye go:Morris_Dancer said:What May says and what May does are not necessarily the same thing.
FPT: yeah, Mr. Jessop, you did a very good job, though. I had a quick think for improving the flow (when I beta read for other people I try to come up with suggestions as "this could be better", whilst accurate, isn't hugely helpful) but nothing came to mind.
You should repost it.
I am the very model of a Brexiteer-General,
I've less information than a vegetable, animal, or mineral,
I love the kings of England, and I fight the fights historical
From Amsterdam to Maastricht, in order categorical;
I'm ill acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
For me all votes of confidence are problematical,
About the evils of Europe I'm teeming with a lot o' news, (bothered for a rhyme)
With many dismal facts about those awful remainers' views.0
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