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As I was saying, your attitude says it all.currystar said:
My attitude?? You fucking twat, what did people die for in the war, to protect the democracy of the UK. Leave won so we fucking leave, get it? I voted remain but remain lost, get that into your thick skull.IanB2 said:
Actually I'd rather our elected representatives chose not to "fuck the country", regardless. Your attitude exemplifies why the country is heading toward disaster.currystar said:I simply cannot believe what I am hearing in parliament. First you get John Mcdonnell saying that of course the EU will renogotiate with him??? Then you get MP after MP and Lord after Lord saying that we must ignore the referendum and stay in the EU. WFT are these people on. We voted to leave, thats it. If it fucks the country so be it. We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
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Lib Dems lose an MP:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10706841724847882290 -
I don't know, but I'd think the court would decide from case to case, depending on the anount of information which the reader could be reasonably expected to possess. If it is widely speculated that you may have forged banknotes, saying "I think you will soon be arrested" looks riskier than if I say it about, say, the Pope. If in the same paragraph I discuss your habit of buying paper used in banknotes and your interest in printer's ink that will further reinforce the impression. The court will go on the overall implication of your comments, taken as a whole, rather than on the literal meaning of individual words and sentences.Benpointer said:
Of course. But would it be libellous to say "I think you will soon be arrested" whilst making no allegation about why? I think not (but I'm not about to try it)
But there are lawyers here who will know more than me. In another life I'd be quite interested in studying law.0 -
I think this tweet is bad history though. Lawson was always pretty eurosceptic, but he favoured joining the ERM as a method to bring down inflation. He'd basically done it before by shadowing the DM until Mrs Thatcher made him stop. Howe was the real Europe enthusiast who brought her down.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Richard Tyndall lives there doesn't he?grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
Explains a few things.0 -
Leaving no deal now will be a walk in the park compared with 20 years down the line when the EU army is in full swing.IanB2 said:
Actually I'd rather our elected representatives chose not to "fuck the country", regardless. Your attitude exemplifies why the country is heading toward disaster.currystar said:I simply cannot believe what I am hearing in parliament. First you get John Mcdonnell saying that of course the EU will renogotiate with him??? Then you get MP after MP and Lord after Lord saying that we must ignore the referendum and stay in the EU. WFT are these people on. We voted to leave, thats it. If it fucks the country so be it. We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
At least bullets won't be flying.0 -
@Currystar is in the 48% that voted to remain.rottenborough said:
How do you know. For a start 48% will be bloody delighted to have another go.currystar said:I simply cannot believe what I am hearing in parliament. First you get John Mcdonnell saying that of course the EU will renogotiate with him??? Then you get MP after MP and Lord after Lord saying that we must ignore the referendum and stay in the EU. WFT are these people on. We voted to leave, thats it. If it fucks the country so be it. We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
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Too many ditches.grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?0 -
Would be pleasant relief from all the Brexit ones....TheScreamingEagles said:So would you all like a thread on AV and how it works?
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Mr. Topping, got a lovely cathedral, though. And it's where William Marshal defeated the French.0
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What's unique about British people? I think at its heart your argument is not about democracy but about the belief that the British government must be capable of delivering what people ask of it, so not Brexiting would damage faith in the capacity of the state. There's certainly nothing undemocratic about asking people again if what Brexit means in reality is still what they want.currystar said:We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
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What do safe seats have to do with a second referendum ?rural_voter said:
AV is less proportional than FPTP.Nigelb said:
Hardly a surprise.Pulpstar said:Areas with strongest opposition to AV were the strongest leave areas.
Views at either extreme are most often a minority unwilling to compromise - something which AV is a means of achieving.
If you want enrage voters in safe seats, whose vote hasn't counted since 1974 or earlier, you're doing very well.0 -
Labour should follow his lead and vote for the deal or abstain at worst. The vote would be carried, the DUP would be furious and a vote of no confidence would pass and the GE would follow.Morris_Dancer said:Lib Dems lose an MP:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10706841724847882290 -
Mr. Glenn, if leaving is impossible, why was it an option?
For that matter, why did the MPs give away so much power, which had been entrusted to them by the electorate, to the EU?0 -
If we'd voted remain then that would have been it forever.williamglenn said:
What's unique about British people? I think at its heart your argument is not about democracy but about the belief that the British government must be capable of delivering what people ask of it, so not Brexiting would damage faith in the capacity of the state. There's certainly nothing undemocratic about asking people again if what Brexit means in reality is still what they want.currystar said:We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
You only get asked again if you vote for less EU. See Ireland for another example.0 -
When the Brexit clustertruck finally careens off the road entirely and the police cleanup operation begins, I think there is one man, above every other, who will make an excellent, and so infinitely punchable, scapegoat
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/12/nick-timothy-wrong-he-one-who-killed-brexit-not-theresa-may0 -
Indeed. I am very persuasiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Richard Tyndall lives there doesn't he?grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
Explains a few things.0 -
Lincoln was also the sight of one the most shocking incidents of anti-Semitism in the history of England.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, got a lovely cathedral, though. And it's where William Marshal defeated the French.
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because it doent think it willrottenborough said:Why is a major trade union arguing for something that will stuff its members and their jobs?
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I thought that dubious honour went to York.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lincoln was also the sight of one the most shocking incidents of anti-Semitism in the history of England.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, got a lovely cathedral, though. And it's where William Marshal defeated the French.
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Mr. Eagles, hmm. Anti-Semitism in England makes me think of John and Edward I. What happened?0
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Oh God, I thought he'd been ditched after the disastrous GE2017 campaign.grabcocque said:When the Brexit clustertruck finally careens off the road entirely and the police cleanup operation begins, I think there is one man, above every other, who will make an excellent, and so infinitely punchable, scapegoat
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2018/12/nick-timothy-wrong-he-one-who-killed-brexit-not-theresa-may
Edit: See it is about that campaign.0 -
I've always had it as a close three way between York, Norwich, and Lincoln.Richard_Tyndall said:
I thought that dubious honour went to York.TheScreamingEagles said:
Lincoln was also the sight of one the most shocking incidents of anti-Semitism in the history of England.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, got a lovely cathedral, though. And it's where William Marshal defeated the French.
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You been surprisingly successful in keeping that a secret until now.Richard_Tyndall said:
Indeed. I am very persuasiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Richard Tyndall lives there doesn't he?grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
Explains a few things.0 -
As you know I'm a strong Remainer but I think you're very wrong on the first point. If there'd been a narrow Remain win, it would have put rocket-boosters under the Brexiteers and we'd have had a second referendum within a few years.Xenon said:
If we'd voted remain then that would have been it forever.williamglenn said:
What's unique about British people? I think at its heart your argument is not about democracy but about the belief that the British government must be capable of delivering what people ask of it, so not Brexiting would damage faith in the capacity of the state. There's certainly nothing undemocratic about asking people again if what Brexit means in reality is still what they want.currystar said:We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
You only get asked again if you vote for less EU. See Ireland for another example.0 -
https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1070690816723689482
Eddie Izzard was supporting the other bloke, so this result should come as no surprise.0 -
So use of the Alternative Vote was opposed on the grounds that people couldn't understand it and yet we went on to entrust the momentous decision on our EU membership to the very same people. What could possibly go wrong?kinabalu said:
As I recall AV was opposed largely because it was thought that the public would not understand it. And the public agreed, rejecting it by a large margin in a referendum on the matter. That's assuming the public understood what they were voting against of course. Perhaps they didn't. Perhaps they didn't understand that AV is too complex for them to understand. But let's say they did. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. The public was clever enough to realize that AV was too sophisticated for them to mess with.Pulpstar said:Seeing it all as starkly laid out as this, I have to say I regret my vote in the AV referendum. Although that was for parliamentary seats not this - but yes this clearly hows why AV is superior (Still STV or Schulz is superior)
So if adopted for a 2nd EU referendum we would have the prospect of this same public weighing the merits of a 585 page legal text plus a 26 page aspirational but non binding political declaration, as against an undefinable thing called 'no deal' which almost every MP considers would be catastrophic but which half the public thinks means status quo, as against remaining in the European Union, which most of them vaguely remember voting against a couple of years back and which a fair few of them thought we'd already done.
C'mon powers that be. Shape up for heaven's sake. It's make your mind up time. Cancel brexit or implement the wretched thing. Do not turn tragedy into farce.0 -
Everyone in Lincolnshire says they want No Deal, because otherwise, they whisper in hushed tones, HE will come. They dare not speak his name aloud. But his name is TYNDALLE, DARK LORD OF NODEALIA and he knows no mercy for those that have betrayed him.Richard_Tyndall said:
Indeed. I am very persuasiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Richard Tyndall lives there doesn't he?grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
Explains a few things.0 -
Lincoln - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saint_Hugh_of_LincolnMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, hmm. Anti-Semitism in England makes me think of John and Edward I. What happened?
Norwich - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Norwich
York - http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/norman/the-1190-massacre0 -
Stay classy,
Trump leaves George H.W. Bush's state funeral at first opportunity and makes it back to White House before 41st president's casket leaves cathedral grounds
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6464465/Trump-leaves-George-H-W-Bushs-state-funeral-opportunity.html0 -
Leaving isn’t impossible. Leaving within 2 years without severe economic harm is possible, and leaving without defining a plan for minimising harm is impractical. It was an option because, against his own expectation, Cameron just wasn’t that good at it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, if leaving is impossible, why was it an option?
For that matter, why did the MPs give away so much power, which had been entrusted to them by the electorate, to the EU?
MPs didn’t give away power, they pooled it due to the judgement that was beneficial for the U.K. In the same vein, you could ask why the electorate have voted to give away so much power over matters right on our doorstep that will continue to affect us regardless of our participation in the E.U.0 -
Lack of trains and motorways seems a good place to start. Two lines, basically, with the middle not served.grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/pictures/916xAny/4/8/1/75481_Lincolnshire-Rail-Diagram.jpg
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Motorways = RemainBannedInParis said:
Lack of trains and motorways seems a good place to start. Two lines, basically, with the middle not served.grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/pictures/916xAny/4/8/1/75481_Lincolnshire-Rail-Diagram.jpg
A-roads = Deal
B-road = No Deal0 -
Is Brexit over yet ?0
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Mind you a GE during the run-up to 29 March would be sub-optimal.RobC said:
Labour should follow his lead and vote for the deal or abstain at worst. The vote would be carried, the DUP would be furious and a vote of no confidence would pass and the GE would follow.Morris_Dancer said:Lib Dems lose an MP:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10706841724847882290 -
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
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I think if a GE is called, the Council would have no choice to grant an A50 extension.RobC said:
Mind you a GE during the run-up to 29 March would be sub-optimal.RobC said:
Labour should follow his lead and vote for the deal or abstain at worst. The vote would be carried, the DUP would be furious and a vote of no confidence would pass and the GE would follow.Morris_Dancer said:Lib Dems lose an MP:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10706841724847882290 -
The next GE will be in May 2021 or 2022.
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I've been to the year 3000TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
Not much has changed but they live under water
And Liam Fox's trade deal with the US is nearing completion.0 -
PM Gove will demote Fox in the January reshuffle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
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Blimey after Fox has done all the hard yards I don't know.TGOHF said:
PM Gove will demote Fox in the January reshuffle.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
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NEW THREAD
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He's only resigned the whip, not left the Party as you well know.Morris_Dancer said:Lib Dems lose an MP:
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1070684172484788229
To his credit, he said he would support the Deal publicly to his constituents and as the line articulated by Vince is the party will oppose he has no option to break ranks.
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Chicken and egg problem? Can’t do that until we leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
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Or did you mean to re-arrange the words as:TGOHF said:The next GE will be in May 2021 or 2022.
May will be in the next GE 2021 or 20220 -
Mr. Eagles, cheers, I'll give them a quick look.
I, for one, am shocked and appalled to hear the Normans did horrendous things in Yorkshire.
Mr. Polruan, pooled sovereignty is a nonsensical term. Believing the EU is good for the UK is a perfectly valid belief, but pretending we haven't given away rights to determine our own destiny through politicians elected by and accountable to the British public by surrendering vetoes is a sentiment not in accordance with the power of reason.0 -
I think we should lock the MPs in the Palace of Westminster and deprive them of food and water until they have reached agreement.TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit is postponed until Liam Fox comes up with all those brand spanking new trade deals.TGOHF said:Is Brexit over yet ?
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I just don't know what it is about the current Parliament that makes you think it has the legs to stumble on like this for another 3.5 years.TGOHF said:The next GE will be in May 2021 or 2022.
With the Arlene of Damocles hanging over everyone.0 -
LOL.grabcocque said:
Everyone in Lincolnshire says they want No Deal, because otherwise, they whisper in hushed tones, HE will come. They dare not speak his name aloud. But his name is TYNDALLE, DARK LORD OF NODEALIA and he knows no mercy for those that have betrayed him.Richard_Tyndall said:
Indeed. I am very persuasiveTheScreamingEagles said:
Richard Tyndall lives there doesn't he?grabcocque said:I think, after the YouGov poll, we need to have a thread:
WHAT THE FRICK IS WRONG WITH LINCOLNSHIRE?
Anyone from Lincolnshire want to have a stab?
Explains a few things.
Much as I like the notoriety I actually favour the Deal as it has more chance of success and we can build on that to increase our separation over time.0 -
Completely disagree.williamglenn said:
As you know I'm a strong Remainer but I think you're very wrong on the first point. If there'd been a narrow Remain win, it would have put rocket-boosters under the Brexiteers and we'd have had a second referendum within a few years.Xenon said:
If we'd voted remain then that would have been it forever.williamglenn said:
What's unique about British people? I think at its heart your argument is not about democracy but about the belief that the British government must be capable of delivering what people ask of it, so not Brexiting would damage faith in the capacity of the state. There's certainly nothing undemocratic about asking people again if what Brexit means in reality is still what they want.currystar said:We voted to leave, therefore we must leave.Len McCluskey ia arguing againts a second referendum as he knows that Leave will win massive. British people will not accept having their democratic decision rejected.
You only get asked again if you vote for less EU. See Ireland for another example.
No referendum for 40 years despite huge euroscepticism. We vote to leave and suddenly another one appears before anything is resolved from the first one.
A narrow remain in a second referendum would mean the matter is settled until it really is impossible to ever leave.0 -
This man is truly a moron. Not a good advertisement for our voting system.0
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The EU should tell May to go away and come back when she’s got a deal that can pass the Commons. The problem is a deal that can pass that will cause the ERG to bring her down .
The blame being laid on Remainers is ridiculous , it’s the ERG nutjobs which are the problem .
So as ever it’s Tory party infighting that’s causing these problems just as it was with Cameron calling this stupid referendum to begin with .
The ERG are holding the country to ransom and are utterly despicable . The country does not want their version of Brexit, and neither does it want their delusional no deal !
They need to be called out for what they are , a bunch of idealogically obsessed nutjobs who want to turn the UK into a right wing capitalism on steroids cesspit with less rights .0 -
As far as most of the Commons appears to be concerned the only deal they will countenance is Remain. 40 or so ERG nutters out of 650 MPs cannot stop the House voting for a Deal. 500 Remain nutters can.nico67 said:The EU should tell May to go away and come back when she’s got a deal that can pass the Commons. The problem is a deal that can pass that will cause the ERG to bring her down .
The blame being laid on Remainers is ridiculous , it’s the ERG nutjobs which are the problem .
So as ever it’s Tory party infighting that’s causing these problems just as it was with Cameron calling this stupid referendum to begin with .
The ERG are holding the country to ransom and are utterly despicable . The country does not want their version of Brexit, and neither does it want their delusional no deal !
They need to be called out for what they are , a bunch of idealogically obsessed nutjobs who want to turn the UK into a right wing capitalism on steroids cesspit with less rights .0 -
He's very much got a personal vote. He works really hard, and has made a lot of personal connections. So I think he has a good chance of persuading the local Lib Dems to give him a clear run next time.Slackbladder said:
He's in Eastbourne, God's waiting room won't be a Remainers paradise. I wonder if he'll defect to the Tories/grabcocque said:
He was facing almost certain deselection for it anyway.Slackbladder said:
What a weird and quixotic hill for a Lib Dem to die on.
The weird thing is I have a feeling that Eastbourne might well swing back to remain. There's a lot of people employed in EFL, and the demographics of the town are changing fast. It is getting to look more like Brighton by the day.0