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TheScreamingEagles said:

One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.

Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.

“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”

Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.

If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

https://www.ft.com/content/f9ba5588-d21a-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5

TheScreamingEagles said:

One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.

Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.

“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”

Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.

If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

https://www.ft.com/content/f9ba5588-d21a-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5

ydoethur said:

Anazina said:

ydoethur said:

Anazina said:

FF43 said:

Pulpstar said:

FF43 said:

SeanT said:

Foxy said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1052621412836564992

Well duh!

No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.

What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?

Jesus. You're almost gleeful that the EU - in the form of France - is making life horribly uncertain for Brits in France, even as the British government unilaterally guarantees the rights of French people in the UK.

We're the good guys here, they're the bad guys, for once there is no grey area - and yet still you're cheering for the EU? Go jump in a lake.

The French government would look for reciprocal arrangements with the UK covering each others nationals. That's lazy reporting from Mr Cole. This is the French Europe Minister

https://twitter.com/NathalieLoiseau/status/1047765796607463424

We should be generous with EU citizens here in the event of no deal. And reciprocate any nonsense from individual states if they insist on going down that path.
I think that's correct, generous - but not doormats if push and shove meet.

What path? Mme Loiseau says she expects the French government to treat British nationals well in the hope the British will treat French expats the same. It's a poor bit of reporting that SeanT have jumped on. Just because No Deal requires emergency measures doesn't mean there is no intention of enacting them if required.

More evidence that Twitter ‘journalists’ like the laughable Cole are not worthy of the billing.

Cole is a journalist at a major national newspaper.

He's just made a colossal boob, and will therefore probably get a raise.

He was a third-rate Tory propagandist for much of his working life (past tense arguably unnecessary)

Are you saying he's had too much exposure?

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/ExcelPope/status/1052596552919744512

Only to be expected of sundae drivers.

Anazina said:

Casino_Royale said:

Anazina said:

Casino_Royale said:

bigjohnowls said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

Casino_Royale said:

Foxy said:

kle4 said:

Foxy said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1052621412836564992

Well duh!

No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.

What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?

Do not pretend for a second that

You are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.

The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.

I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.

For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.

Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.

What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?

It’s like talking to a brick wall.

I mean, you don’t even think before you post.

Moron.

Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron

This one is.

Very unlikely.

What is it that makes you think a Consultant is uniquely clever?

Ok, they learn a lot of biology and chemistry by rote, and do a six year medical degree. Then they do years of on the job training, and further post doctorate qualifications.

So do lots of other professions. Architects. Engineers. Top barristers. Many high-flying professionals.

I have no doubt he’s very good at medicine, in the areas he practices in, professionally. That doesn’t make him a genius in the arena of politics, or any better than the rest of us. As he’s amply demonstrated.

I didn’t claim he was ‘uniquely clever’.

I said it was very unlikely he was a moron.

archer101au said:

Anazina said:

archer101au said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.

Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?

Is this the very same Theresa May you were championing as a shining beacon of truth just a couple of hours ago, when she promised no second referendum?

I think my sarcasm was obvious.

GIN1138 said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

Oh god, what's she doing now?

Why is it every single time she goes to one of these bloody summits the news gets worse and worse and worse...

archer101au said:

kle4 said:

archer101au said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?

That's entirely up to her internal party opponents - if she will not stand down and is leading them down the wrong path it is their responsibility to do something. If they do not they are either not being entirely truthful when they claim her way is the wrong way, or...no, that't it I think.

Something! I agree that the Cabinet need to take their responsibility and make her change course. Even the Remainers seem to know this is not going anywhere.

archer101au said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.

Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?

DavidL said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.

LEAVER 1:
“I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”

LEAVER 2:
“I think it should.”

LEAVER 1:
“Good. Then we’re all agreed.”

But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…

REMAINER:
“I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”

The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!

LEAVER 2:
“Alastair, we’re going home!!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.

Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.

Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.

Now, let’s see the proper way.

LEAVER 1:
“Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”

REMAINER:
“Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”

LEAVER 2:
“What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!

Sunil, you're late taking your pills again.

Anazina said:

ydoethur said:

Anazina said:

ydoethur said:

Anazina said:

FF43 said:

Pulpstar said:

FF43 said:

SeanT said:

Foxy said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1052621412836564992

Well duh!

No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.

What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?

Jesus. You're almost gleeful that the EU - in the form of France - is making life horribly uncertain for Brits in France, even as the British government unilaterally guarantees the rights of French people in the UK.

We're the good guys here, they're the bad guys, for once there is no grey area - and yet still you're cheering for the EU? Go jump in a lake.

The French government would look for reciprocal arrangements with the UK covering each others nationals. That's lazy reporting from Mr Cole. This is the French Europe Minister

https://twitter.com/NathalieLoiseau/status/1047765796607463424

We should be generous with EU citizens here in the event of no deal. And reciprocate any nonsense from individual states if they insist on going down that path.
I think that's correct, generous - but not doormats if push and shove meet.

What path? Mme Loiseau says she expects the French government to treat British nationals well in the hope the British will treat French expats the same. It's a poor bit of reporting that SeanT have jumped on. Just because No Deal requires emergency measures doesn't mean there is no intention of enacting them if required.

More evidence that Twitter ‘journalists’ like the laughable Cole are not worthy of the billing.

Cole is a journalist at a major national newspaper.

He's just made a colossal boob, and will therefore probably get a raise.

He was a third-rate Tory propagandist for much of his working life (past tense arguably unnecessary)

Are you saying he's had too much exposure?

I’m saying he is a overpromoted bungler of very dubious talent, who has a poorer grasp of the French language than Gillian Duffy.

GIN1138 said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

Oh god, what's she doing now?

Why is it every single time she goes to one of these bloody summits the news gets worse and worse and worse...

Benpointer said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

NickPalmer said:

Glancing over the thread I see people calling each other morons, scumbags and cowards. Who are you trying to impress?

It's Oscar Wilde night.

Are you Earnest?

Is that important?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

archer101au said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.

Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?

Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers

As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do

She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.

And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.

Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.

“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”

Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.

If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

https://www.ft.com/content/f9ba5588-d21a-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5

Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1052660017487212544?s=21

Mortimer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

archer101au said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1052636777108987904?s=21

We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.

Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?

Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers

As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do

She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.

And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

The pressure on [May] to change tack might be irresistible this week.

.

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1052660017487212544?s=21

AlastairMeeks said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/steven_swinford/status/1052660017487212544?s=21

The last thirteen words are superfluous.

archer101au said:

TOPPING said:

archer101au said:

OK, go ahead, happy to debate as always.

I think you are saying that if we have a 'soft border' in NI we have to have a soft border everywhere else? I don't believe this is the case.

The purpose of the soft border is simply a different way of enforcing the same rules. The WTO also have dispensations for these types of situations. So on this basis, I do not believe that the proposed ERG solution is in any way incompatible with WTO rules. And of course, the head of HMCE has already confirmed that in a no deal there would be no need to introduce checks at the border; presumably if it really was against WTO rules May would have him screaming it from the rooftops.

It would depend on the dispute resolution mechanism and outcome of the (hated, foreign, supra-national, sovereignty-eating) WTO, which is a member-driven organisation.

They might decide that a hard border (ie checks on everything) was not needed given the special situation of NI/RoI and the history. But the central premise is that if we let EU widgets in without checking them, then the US, say, could bring a dispute against us under MFN demanding that we let their widgets, or perhaps their chicken, likewise in without checks. So the WTO does not mandate a hard border, and nor is one certain as a result of a WTO dispute process.

But one is possible and that is what I am and have been saying Theresa May cannot risk.

No. The vast majority of imports are not checked from non-EU countries at the moment - something like 95% of goods go straight through without being checked based only on their declarations.

Nobody is saying that there will be no checks on widgets crossing the NI border. We are saying the checks will take place away from the border on a random basis based on risk - exactly the same as happens at the moment. There is no WTO rule that says the checks have to be at the border as long as there are checks and enforcement mechanisms.

There will be no real difference although you might argue that the NI border will not be quite as tight, it will fundamentally be the same as any other border and it will not in any way breach WTO rules. Nobody is asking anyone to 'take a chance' - the WTO already has exemptions for special circumstances. If this was really an issue May would have gotten the WTO to say so. HMRC know it will work; the issue has been the EU have said they will not accept it, and that is political.

kle4 said:

Benpointer said:

Off topic: Anyone seen First Man yet?

As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of human achievement

I have seen it. It was meh, as a child of the 90s would put it.

FF43 said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.

Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.

“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”

Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.

If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

https://www.ft.com/content/f9ba5588-d21a-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5

Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.

At least one bank that I know of is moving responsibility out of the UK and into the rEU. It isn't contingency, it's happening now and at pace. This year the responsibilities are transferred. Next year the budgets will be assigned over there and the jobs will follow.

People are very complacent.

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-uk-must-bin-unjustified-food-standards-for-brexit-trade-deal-2018-10#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

Prescient, moi?

Not just you, I've been saying that ever since Dr Fox decided to try and get a US trade deal. It was always going to be futile since the US would insist on the UK accepting antibiotics in milk and chlorinated chicken, which is a deal breaker as it would be a massive vote loser.

another_richard said:

IIRC a few people were concerned about the absence of Richard Tyndall.

I can confirm he's fine and continues to visit PB but has taken a break from commenting.

another_richard said:

IIRC a few people were concerned about the absence of Richard Tyndall.

I can confirm he's fine and continues to visit PB but has taken a break from commenting.

TOPPING said:

another_richard said:

IIRC a few people were concerned about the absence of Richard Tyndall.

I can confirm he's fine and continues to visit PB but has taken a break from commenting.

Delighted to hear.

Yo Richard!

(Tyndall, not another_ although hi another_ )

Benpointer said:

Off topic: Anyone seen First Man yet?

As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement

another_richard said:

Benpointer said:

Off topic: Anyone seen First Man yet?

As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement

Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.

Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.

Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

geoffw said:

The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

another_richard said:

Benpointer said:

Off topic: Anyone seen First Man yet?

As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement

Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.

Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.

Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.

another_richard said:

Benpointer said:

Off topic: Anyone seen First Man yet?

As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement

Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.

Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.

Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

Recidivist said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

DavidL said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.

LEAVER 1:
“I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”

LEAVER 2:
“I think it should.”

LEAVER 1:
“Good. Then we’re all agreed.”

But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…

REMAINER:
“I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”

The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!

LEAVER 2:
“Alastair, we’re going home!!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.

Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.

Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.

Now, let’s see the proper way.

LEAVER 1:
“Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”

REMAINER:
“Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”

LEAVER 2:
“What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!

Sunil, you're late taking your pills again.

Context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.

Philip_Thompson said:

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.

Philip_Thompson said:

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.

ydoethur said:

Mortimer said:

ydoethur said:

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/ExcelPope/status/1052596552919744512

Only to be expected of sundae drivers.

That pun is crackers.

Did they call 999, or the cone hotline?

999. The others are a vanilla bunch at the best of times.

Anazina said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Foxy said:

archer101au said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media

As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it

I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over

May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.

Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.

You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.

Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?

Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.

It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.

So keep it in the EU. After all, its people voted for that.

Benpointer said:

Recidivist said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

DavidL said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.

LEAVER 1:
“I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”

LEAVER 2:
“I think it should.”

LEAVER 1:
“Good. Then we’re all agreed.”

But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…

REMAINER:
“I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”

The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!

LEAVER 2:
“Alastair, we’re going home!!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.

Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.

Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.

Now, let’s see the proper way.

LEAVER 1:
“Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”

REMAINER:
“Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”

LEAVER 2:
“What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”

REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!

Sunil, you're late taking your pills again.

Context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.

Most of Sunil's posts are a bit odd to be fair.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1052660704493412352

Why are you waiting Nadine