One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Is this the very same Theresa May you were championing as a shining beacon of truth just a couple of hours ago, when she promised no second referendum?
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Do not pretend for a second that you would not be saying what a travesty it was if our government declared it was doing the same, that would be insulting. Not least because it pretends that one course of action arising from leaving the EU is an inevitability, when the whole point of negotiating various things, and the discretion afforded to governments world over, means they have a choice about what they do. You are pretending they have no choice, which is absurd.
You are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Jesus. You're almost gleeful that the EU - in the form of France - is making life horribly uncertain for Brits in France, even as the British government unilaterally guarantees the rights of French people in the UK.
We're the good guys here, they're the bad guys, for once there is no grey area - and yet still you're cheering for the EU? Go jump in a lake.
The French government would look for reciprocal arrangements with the UK covering each others nationals. That's lazy reporting from Mr Cole. This is the French Europe Minister
We should be generous with EU citizens here in the event of no deal. And reciprocate any nonsense from individual states if they insist on going down that path. I think that's correct, generous - but not doormats if push and shove meet.
What path? Mme Loiseau says she expects the French government to treat British nationals well in the hope the British will treat French expats the same. It's a poor bit of reporting that SeanT have jumped on. Just because No Deal requires emergency measures doesn't mean there is no intention of enacting them if required.
More evidence that Twitter ‘journalists’ like the laughable Cole are not worthy of the billing.
Cole is a journalist at a major national newspaper.
He's just made a colossal boob, and will therefore probably get a raise.
He was a third-rate Tory propagandist for much of his working life (past tense arguably unnecessary)
Are you saying he's had too much exposure?
I’m saying he is a overpromoted bungler of very dubious talent, who has a poorer grasp of the French language than Gillian Duffy.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Do not pretend for a second that you would not be saying what a travesty it was if our government declared it was doing the same, that would be insulting. Not least because it pretends that one course of action arising from leaving the EU is an inevitability, when the whole point of negotiating various things, and the discretion afforded to governments world over, means they have a choice about what they do. You are pretending they have no choice, which is absurd.
You are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Do not pretend for a second that
You are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
Very unlikely.
What is it that makes you think a Consultant is uniquely clever?
Ok, they learn a lot of biology and chemistry by rote, and do a six year medical degree. Then they do years of on the job training, and further post doctorate qualifications.
So do lots of other professions. Architects. Engineers. Top barristers. Many high-flying professionals.
I have no doubt he’s very good at medicine, in the areas he practices in, professionally. That doesn’t make him a genius in the arena of politics, or any better than the rest of us. As he’s amply demonstrated.
I didn’t claim he was ‘uniquely clever’.
I said it was very unlikely he was a moron.
Not like Casino to completely fail to comprehend a post
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Do not pretend for a second that you would not be saying what a travesty it was if our government declared it was doing the same, that would be insulting. Not least because it pretends that one course of action arising from leaving the EU is an inevitability, when the whole point of negotiating various things, and the discretion afforded to governments world over, means they have a choice about what they do. You are pretending they have no choice, which is absurd.
You are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The onals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
Shall we all move on now?
Blame Mr Cole and move on seems like a sensible suggestion in many circumstances, I am sure.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
That's entirely up to her internal party opponents - if she will not stand down and is leading them down the wrong path it is their responsibility to do something. If they do not they are either not being entirely truthful when they claim her way is the wrong way, or...no, that't it I think.
Something! I agree that the Cabinet need to take their responsibility and make her change course. Even the Remainers seem to know this is not going anywhere.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
(snipped)
Much more serious matters (O/T to vent my feelings).
I have had a complete break from politics for a few days, having been experiencing the joys of rail travel instead.
I have been really interested to discover that the new improved upgraded-to-overhead-power-at-vast-expense railway has turned out to be simply another way to really, really, really muck things up.
And apparently I got off very lightly compared to some, at that.
Good evening, everybody. I hope you have all enjoyed your week so far.
Um, yes. I was in Cardiff this morning, I luckily had the return portion of a Birmingham ticket, so used that to get to New Street, walked a few minutes to Moor Street and got a relatively cheap single to London Marylebone. Didn't fancy changing at Reading
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Is this the very same Theresa May you were championing as a shining beacon of truth just a couple of hours ago, when she promised no second referendum?
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
That's entirely up to her internal party opponents - if she will not stand down and is leading them down the wrong path it is their responsibility to do something. If they do not they are either not being entirely truthful when they claim her way is the wrong way, or...no, that't it I think.
Something! I agree that the Cabinet need to take their responsibility and make her change course. Even the Remainers seem to know this is not going anywhere.
The problem is that nothing will happen until the talks fail completely. that will be too late.
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.
I think it's begun to dawn on Wall Street that whatever the EU has planned for London will also be applied to them sooner rather than later.
The EU trying to extend their regulatory reach beyond their border was never going to be acceptable to the US. I'm amazed as to how easily the Chancellor rolled over on being a rule taker give the disparity in size of London vs the EU. We'll I'm not that surprised given how useless Hammond has been.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers
As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do
She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.
And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
Jesus. You're almost gleeful that the EU - in the form of France - is making life horribly uncertain for Brits in France, even as the British government unilaterally guarantees the rights of French people in the UK.
We're the good guys here, they're the bad guys, for once there is no grey area - and yet still you're cheering for the EU? Go jump in a lake.
The French government would look for reciprocal arrangements with the UK covering each others nationals. That's lazy reporting from Mr Cole. This is the French Europe Minister
We should be generous with EU citizens here in the event of no deal. And reciprocate any nonsense from individual states if they insist on going down that path. I think that's correct, generous - but not doormats if push and shove meet.
What path? Mme Loiseau says she expects the French government to treat British nationals well in the hope the British will treat French expats the same. It's a poor bit of reporting that SeanT have jumped on. Just because No Deal requires emergency measures doesn't mean there is no intention of enacting them if required.
More evidence that Twitter ‘journalists’ like the laughable Cole are not worthy of the billing.
Cole is a journalist at a major national newspaper.
He's just made a colossal boob, and will therefore probably get a raise.
He was a third-rate Tory propagandist for much of his working life (past tense arguably unnecessary)
Are you saying he's had too much exposure?
I’m saying he is a overpromoted bungler of very dubious talent, who has a poorer grasp of the French language than Gillian Duffy.
Clearly I have finally found a pun that's too subtle for somebody.
Either that, or you are obsessed with Cole having made a tit of himself.
Not just you, I've been saying that ever since Dr Fox decided to try and get a US trade deal. It was always going to be futile since the US would insist on the UK accepting antibiotics in milk and chlorinated chicken, which is a deal breaker as it would be a massive vote loser.
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers
As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do
She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.
And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
Mood music is not good.
The pressure on her to change tack might be irresistible this week.
The cabinet agreed to give her two weeks on Chequers IIRC - which is up at the end of this week...
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers
As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do
She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.
And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
That last part is true enough, and I do think the mood is changing, but not really for the better - positions are hardening against options without any solidifying around others. It is technically for the better if someone is a continuity remainer, since I'd say the chance of that has increased a bit while still being far from likely, but otherwise we appear no closer to any kind of resolution, and the only positive impression is based on the assumption that these things work out in the end because they must, which always works, right up to the point that it doesn't. We and the EU appear to be operating on the basis that the other side could not possibly do x, when of course we both might, sensible or not.
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.
At least one bank that I know of is moving responsibility out of the UK and into the rEU. It isn't contingency, it's happening now and at pace. This year the responsibilities are transferred. Next year the budgets will be assigned over there and the jobs will follow.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
ou are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
Shall we all move on now?
Of course Ben but I think posters know I do not like lack of respect coming from anyone
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.
I think it's begun to dawn on Wall Street that whatever the EU has planned for London will also be applied to them sooner rather than later.
The EU trying to extend their regulatory reach beyond their border was never going to be acceptable to the US. I'm amazed as to how easily the Chancellor rolled over on being a rule taker give the disparity in size of London vs the EU. We'll I'm not that surprised given how useless Hammond has been.
I think that the Governor has been rather better. The document that the BoE produced recently explaining in words of one syllable with helpful drawings what individual EU countries had to do to ensure that current contracts were enforceable or even legal was wonderfully patronising. I suspect that he has been working the phones to get this response as well.
The reality is that the regulatory authorities outside the U.K. (and arguably Switzerland ) have neither the expertise or experience to regulate the business currently done through London. They either allow that to continue or their economies do without those services for the foreseeable future.
EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson and David Davis tell Theresa May the British people will ‘never forgive us’ if Brexit is reduced to a ‘choreographed show of resistance followed by surrender’
She's not the leader of the CONservative party for nothing.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
If only there were some way for them to back up those stirring words of defiance, rallying the many dozens they say are opposed to do something. Oh well, it is too bad May was declared Dictator in perpertuum.
We only don't like it because it does nothing to solve the problem - it is just another mindless concession for no purpose. May seems to think that she can sign a 'permanent' backstop and claim that if the transition period is extended it is 'less likely' to be used. That is just hopeless.
Summary from today - our delusional PM has once again pitched Chequers to the EU and they have once again said no. What is wrong with her? How long do we have to put up with a leader who has no concept of reality?
Maybe because she is obviously taking a different course to the hard brexiteers and attempting to agree a deal that protects jobs, jit manufacturing, and keeping the union together whiich is more important to her than giving in to a fairly small group of ultra brexiteers
As long as the cabinet support her there is nothing the utras can do and while you do not support her I and many in the country do
She can take a different approach, but what is the point of constantly raising a plan that the EU have said is totally unacceptable? She is not doing jobs or anything a favour if she wastes what little time we have left talking about something that is not going to happen. The moment she was finished, the President of the EP came straight out and rejected the Chequers bit again.
And to be fair, hardly anyone in the country supports Chequers.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
The pressure on [May] to change tack might be irresistible this week.
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We've heard that one before. Presumably it will be true eventually as something has to give and the government is most likely when considering the EU, DUP and others, but still, it is getting very silly.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of human achievement
I have seen it. It was meh, as a child of the 90s would put it.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Yes, I enjoyed it.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
I think you are saying that if we have a 'soft border' in NI we have to have a soft border everywhere else? I don't believe this is the case.
The purpose of the soft border is simply a different way of enforcing the same rules. The WTO also have dispensations for these types of situations. So on this basis, I do not believe that the proposed ERG solution is in any way incompatible with WTO rules. And of course, the head of HMCE has already confirmed that in a no deal there would be no need to introduce checks at the border; presumably if it really was against WTO rules May would have him screaming it from the rooftops.
It would depend on the dispute resolution mechanism and outcome of the (hated, foreign, supra-national, sovereignty-eating) WTO, which is a member-driven organisation.
They might decide that a hard border (ie checks on everything) was not needed given the special situation of NI/RoI and the history. But the central premise is that if we let EU widgets in without checking them, then the US, say, could bring a dispute against us under MFN demanding that we let their widgets, or perhaps their chicken, likewise in without checks. So the WTO does not mandate a hard border, and nor is one certain as a result of a WTO dispute process.
But one is possible and that is what I am and have been saying Theresa May cannot risk.
No. The vast majority of imports are not checked from non-EU countries at the moment - something like 95% of goods go straight through without being checked based only on their declarations.
Nobody is saying that there will be no checks on widgets crossing the NI border. We are saying the checks will take place away from the border on a random basis based on risk - exactly the same as happens at the moment. There is no WTO rule that says the checks have to be at the border as long as there are checks and enforcement mechanisms.
There will be no real difference although you might argue that the NI border will not be quite as tight, it will fundamentally be the same as any other border and it will not in any way breach WTO rules. Nobody is asking anyone to 'take a chance' - the WTO already has exemptions for special circumstances. If this was really an issue May would have gotten the WTO to say so. HMRC know it will work; the issue has been the EU have said they will not accept it, and that is political.
But none of this is in place the whole away from the border checks. Plus from a phyto-sanitary perspective I'm none to sure it would work. Nowhere else on the planet are there "no checks" at the border.
If it was so simple why on earth haven't we heard the suggestion or seen the detail or read the white paper?
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of human achievement
I have seen it. It was meh, as a child of the 90s would put it.
Fox jr saw it and thought it rather good, but he is a child of the nineties.
I suppose it is anew story to him. I am old enough to remember the real thing.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Yes, I enjoyed it.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
I know why his performance was as it was, but for large chunks it felt like he was still playing his character from Blade Runner 2049. I cannot honestly say it was a bad movie, there are too many objectively good aspects, but overall? Meh.
Bad times at the El Royale gets a similar nod from me, for totally different reasons. Either I'm dumber than I like to think or it was a lot less clever than it thought it was.
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.
At least one bank that I know of is moving responsibility out of the UK and into the rEU. It isn't contingency, it's happening now and at pace. This year the responsibilities are transferred. Next year the budgets will be assigned over there and the jobs will follow.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Yes, I enjoyed it.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
I know why his performance was as it was, but for large chunks it felt like he was still playing his character from Blade Runner 2049.
I've read the book that the film is based upon, it is an accurate description of Neil Armstrong.
Not just you, I've been saying that ever since Dr Fox decided to try and get a US trade deal. It was always going to be futile since the US would insist on the UK accepting antibiotics in milk and chlorinated chicken, which is a deal breaker as it would be a massive vote loser.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
ou are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
Shall we all move on now?
Of course Ben but I think posters know I do not like lack of respect coming from anyone
My apologies to all including @Casino_Royale for what was intended as a bit of lighthearted playground banter.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Yes, I enjoyed it.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
I know why his performance was as it was, but for large chunks it felt like he was still playing his character from Blade Runner 2049.
I've read the book that the film is based upon, it is an accurate description of Neil Armstrong.
I had no doubt it was, but as a result outside of a few moments personally I thought it dragged and didn't make the most of what is an amazing tale.
But then again aren't most biopic type movies pretty boring? At least the moon landing makes for an exciting plot hook!
One of the US’s top regulators has threatened to stop European banks from using US futures markets if the EU refuses to water down post-Brexit plans to oversee clearing houses.
Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said on Wednesday that EU plans — ostensibly in response to the UK’s move to leave the EU — were “completely irresponsible” and could be met with a stern reaction from Washington.
“These are blunt and strong tools,” Mr Giancarlo said, acknowledging that it could have a serious impact on global markets. “None of these options represent a course of action that I wish to pursue.”
Mr Giancarlo’s fierce warning comes as UK authorities try to remove tensions with the EU around the issue of clearing as the UK’s departure from the bloc nears.
If a resolution could not be found, he warned the CFTC could unilaterally take its own action — including barring EU banks from using critical US infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
Wow. The delusion that the EU has a financial sector worth a bucket of warm spit without London is hitting reality.
At least one bank that I know of is moving responsibility out of the UK and into the rEU. It isn't contingency, it's happening now and at pace. This year the responsibilities are transferred. Next year the budgets will be assigned over there and the jobs will follow.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Yes, I enjoyed it.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
IMAX in short supply in North Dorset. In fact cinemas in short supply tbh - I either have to wait for Moviola https://www.moviola.org to bring the film round to one of the local village halls or cross the border into Zomerset and the great metropolis of Yeovil.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
ou are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
Shall we all move on now?
Of course Ben but I think posters know I do not like lack of respect coming from anyone
My apologies to all including @Casino_Royale for what was intended as a bit of lighthearted playground banter.
Bollocks. Apology not accepted. They deserved it. It's not a Buckingham Palace tea party here, you know.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
They need to make more space propaganda movies like The Martian (one of my favourite films) - despite the travails in that it makes you want to get into space and get people to Mars already.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
Or, we operate different rules in different parts of the UK.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
Or, we operate different rules in different parts of the UK.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
I suggest you wait to hear exactly what the EU are saying before you jump to conclusions
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
The good news is, post Brexit, there will be a growth market in manufacturing a sense of humour.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
NI already has a weird special status.
For example being part of a single Ireland in things like rugby and cricket and being somewhat different to GB in various social and educational aspects.
No deal means no deal, and Britons in France, Spain or Tuscany become 3rd party nationals, with all the implications of that, under sovereign national law.
What is it about leaving the EU that Brexiteers cannot understand?
ou are behaving no better than any 'A true brexit must be a super diamond hard brexit that I want' Brexiteer who insists their interpretation alone is correct.
The French are merely preparing for No Deal. Obviously if there is a deal, that applies, via the Withdrawal agreement. No deal means no WA, in which case each country has to apply its rules on 3rd party nationals.
I don’t think there’s any action the EU or any of its member states could take that you wouldn’t excuse.
For you, the fact we’re voted to Leave justifies everything.
Brexit means Brexit. We become 3rd party nationals and are dealt with by relevant national laws in the event of No Deal.
What is it about No Deal Brexit that Brexiteers cannot understand?
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
I mean, you don’t even think before you post.
Moron.
Unlikely that a Consultant Dr is a Moron
This one is.
If you are up for a battle of wits, I shall remove 90% of my brain so that we can start even.
What an arrogant comment and unworthy of you
Hmm, I wouldn't normally get involved in these spats but if the other guy has just called you a moron, fair game, I think.
Neither are acceptable
Big_G, I like the way you are a force for good manners on PB but this little name-calling spat between Casino and Foxy seems small beer really. All the funnier since it appears to have originiated from an agrument based on a 'fake news' tweet from the Sun's Harry Cole.
Shall we all move on now?
Of course Ben but I think posters know I do not like lack of respect coming from anyone
My apologies to all including @Casino_Royale for what was intended as a bit of lighthearted playground banter.
I think you deserve great respect for your comment
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
NASA has become an absolute shadow of its former self, sadly.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
Or, we operate different rules in different parts of the UK.
Given that is already the case, I always think stuff about a regulatory border has an element of ‘so what?’ about it. Scotland and NI are already separate legal jurisdictions to England & Wales, so why the big deal?
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
Yes indeed.
I appreciate we have had a lot of advances sonce 1969, including an information technology revolution, but I can't help feeling that in the long term historians will look back at the moon landings as a peak for our current civilisation - the equivalent of 117AD for the Roman Empire. I fear we are on a long, gradual descent to a new dark age (sadly).
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
The good news is, post Brexit, there will be a growth market in manufacturing a sense of humour.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
Or, we operate different rules in different parts of the UK.
Given that is already the case, I always think stuff about a regulatory border has an element of ‘so what?’ about it. Scotland and NI are already separate legal jurisdictions to England & Wales, so why the big deal?
Because the DUP are extemists and happen to hold the balance of power. What a mess!
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
I would do that, plus EU status for Scotland and London.
The backstop means NI keeps the same rules and regs as the EU. So the UK has to break up if Brexit involves any GB departure from those rules and regs. So to keep the UK together we are forever tied to the EU. The very definition of a Vassal state.
Or, we operate different rules in different parts of the UK.
i.e. Break up the UK.
No, just more devolution.
It would be useful for Stormont to form a government, as there are a lot of NI voices missing from the discussion. Currently it is like discussing a patient, without asking them what they want.
Failing that a NI plebiscite on the backstop vs land border would be the way out.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
Absolutely.
It is an insult to the Unionist community as well as the UK.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
China has an active manned lunar landing programme. Nominally they are aiming for 2036 but I would expect them to bring that date in drastically. The programme seems to be going well and they have a lot of the technology in place.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Only four of the twelve who walked on the moon are still alive.
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
NASA has become an absolute shadow of its former self, sadly.
Its curious that while space tech hasn't developed much, certainly not as it was expected to develop, IT is far more advanced than predicted.
As an example the moonbase in Space 1999 has a single giant computer and typewriters are used.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
So keep it in the EU. After all, its people voted for that.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
Most of Sunil's posts are a bit odd to be fair.
True. The Brexitland one was quite funny - though it really only needed to be posted once. And the running joke where he posts the referendum result is good too.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
So keep it in the EU. After all, its people voted for that.
Not quite. They voted to in a referendum to stay with the rest of the UK also staying, not to stay without the rest of the U.K: there’s a difference.
Now, it might not be a decisive difference, but we don’t know.
An ordinary dinner party, the sort of occasion we all enjoy. The LEAVERs are exchanging witty stories. And look at the REMAINERs; aren’t they pretty? Look at the way they laugh, they’re delightful. But now the conversation turns to more serious matters.
LEAVER 1: “I wonder if the Government should stay out of the EU Customs Union”
LEAVER 2: “I think it should.”
LEAVER 1: “Good. Then we’re all agreed.”
But oh dear, what’s this? One of the REMAINERs is about to embarrass us all…
REMAINER: “I think the Government should stay in the Customs Union, so that the Pound can reach a level that would keep our exports competitive.”
The REMAINER has foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of his own! What half-baked drivel! See how the LEAVERS look at him with utter contempt!
LEAVER 2: “Alastair, we’re going home!!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!
Look at the effect of education on a LEAVER and a REMAINER’s mind. Education passes into the mind of a LEAVER. See how the information is evenly and tidily stored.
Now see the same thing on a REMAINER. At first we see a similar result. But now look. Still at a reasonably low level of education his brain suddenly overloads. He can't take in complicated information. He becomes frantically and absurdly deranged.
Look at these venomous harridans. They went to university. Hard to believe they are all under 25. Yes, over-education leads to ugliness, premature aging and beard growth. And ranting on online political betting fora.
Now, let’s see the proper way.
LEAVER 1: “Good. So we’re all agreed. We should stay out of the Customs Union.”
REMAINER: “Oh, I don’t know anything about the Northern Ireland Backstop, I’m afraid, but I do love little kittens! They’re so soft, and furry.”
LEAVER 2: “What a delightful thought, you dear, sweet, fragile little thing! I adore you, Alastair!”
REMAINERS - KNOW YOUR LIMITS. In thought, be plain and simple, and let your natural sweetness shine through!
So you've taken an amusing sketch that satirises the patronising approach society used to have towards women, and transcribed remainers into the place where the original refers to women. I am not sure what exactly the point of this is. I can see no humour in it at all. You are presumably not insinuating that leavers are patronising remainers. It's just a bit odd.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
So keep it in the EU. After all, its people voted for that.
Not quite. They voted to in a referendum to stay with the rest of the UK also staying, not to stay without the rest of the U.K: there’s a difference.
As I said downthread, keep London and Scotland in the EU too. Both also devolved administrations.
She will not take a different approach. She is proving to you she is a bloody difficult woman as the whole nuance is moving to the marginalisation of ERG. The mood is changing, you can see it on here, you can see it in the media, indeed the daily mail is fully on board with her, and in discussions on twitter and social media
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
May has been humiliated by the EU, again. They offered her 15 minutes before tossing her out to get her own dinner. The moment she was out the door, the President of the EP rejected Chequers and said it was 'not acceptable' and they leaked that the November summit had been cancelled. Just waiting for Tusk's tweet to complete the experience.
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
Well ultimately, if Brexit is to allow customs and regulatory divergence, then there has to be a customs border, and the only thing to be decided is where it is located, in the sea or on land. If we are to remain in lockstep with the EU then why Brexit?
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
It is a completely daft idea that drives a coach and horses through the GFA. If this backstop goes ahead then NI will be in a hellish undemocratic limbo. Part of the UK and electing MPs to Westminster but not subject to British laws. Subject to EU laws but not electing MEPs and not having their national government's votes in the European Council. It is an absurd suggestion that violates the GFA completely.
Absolutely.
It is an insult to the Unionist community as well as the UK.
People didn't vote for Brexit to exchange "Brussels rule" for "Belfast rule".
In fairness from that comment it does not she is waiting. And she at least is not being ridiculous in tearing May's plans apart and not calling for her to go.
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Shall we all move on now?
Prescient, moi?
The EU trying to extend their regulatory reach beyond their border was never going to be acceptable to the US. I'm amazed as to how easily the Chancellor rolled over on being a rule taker give the disparity in size of London vs the EU. We'll I'm not that surprised given how useless Hammond has been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
As far as Chequers is concerned virtually no one in the electorate has a clue what it is. Go down any high street and you would struggle to find even one voter who could describe it
I am sorry, but your particular brexit is over
Either that, or you are obsessed with Cole having made a tit of himself.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1052657861812207617
The pressure on her to change tack might be irresistible this week.
The cabinet agreed to give her two weeks on Chequers IIRC - which is up at the end of this week...
People are very complacent.
The reality is that the regulatory authorities outside the U.K. (and arguably Switzerland ) have neither the expertise or experience to regulate the business currently done through London. They either allow that to continue or their economies do without those services for the foreseeable future.
She's not the leader of the CONservative party for nothing.
As a child of the 60s the space race and Apollo programme are indelibly etched in my memories. Looking forward to some full-on nostalgia about what is surely a pinnacle of himan achievement
Come to think of it, they will probably never forgive you whatever the outcome.
If you can, watch it on an IMAX screen.
I do have a mancrush on Ryan Gosling but even still.
If it was so simple why on earth haven't we heard the suggestion or seen the detail or read the white paper?
I suppose it is anew story to him. I am old enough to remember the real thing.
Bad times at the El Royale gets a similar nod from me, for totally different reasons. Either I'm dumber than I like to think or it was a lot less clever than it thought it was.
Ditto Buzz Aldrin, I wanted to see more of him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-chlorinated-chicken-a7977621.html
Quite how you get from there to the mood is changing is beyond me. May is driving straight down the path to no deal. If I am charitable for a minute and assume she has a plan, it is that she is going to go for no deal, rally the country behind her and blame the EU and that will let her hang onto power for a bit longer.
You keep saying this is about the ERG, and I keep explaining this is about the backstop which is the problem May created for herself. It is nothing to do with the ERG. Nobody in the Tory Party will accept the backstop. And as the EU have made clear, any Brexit deal at all will require acceptance of the backstop, especially your SM+CU plan.
I can confirm he's fine and continues to visit PB but has taken a break from commenting.
But then again aren't most biopic type movies pretty boring? At least the moon landing makes for an exciting plot hook!
Yo Richard!
(Tyndall, not another_ although hi another_ )
It's another world down here
Its entirely possible that at some point there will be no living human who went there.
Something which would have seemed unimaginable fifty years ago baring some subsequent civilisation ending event.
Special status for NI in terms of being in both UK and EU is one way past this. Not such a daft idea.
For example being part of a single Ireland in things like rugby and cricket and being somewhat different to GB in various social and educational aspects.
I appreciate we have had a lot of advances sonce 1969, including an information technology revolution, but I can't help feeling that in the long term historians will look back at the moon landings as a peak for our current civilisation - the equivalent of 117AD for the Roman Empire. I fear we are on a long, gradual descent to a new dark age (sadly).
It would be useful for Stormont to form a government, as there are a lot of NI voices missing from the discussion. Currently it is like discussing a patient, without asking them what they want.
Failing that a NI plebiscite on the backstop vs land border would be the way out.
It is an insult to the Unionist community as well as the UK.
As an example the moonbase in Space 1999 has a single giant computer and typewriters are used.
Now, it might not be a decisive difference, but we don’t know.
Imagination is required.
Kind of inevitable at this point. Putting May out of her misery is an act of kindness by now.