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The Tories are talking about incest and assassination of their own policy. Definitely smells a bit broken.

JosiasJessop said:

Charles said:

rcs1000 said:

Andrew said:

JosiasJessop said:

IANAE on GPS, but it wouldn't surprise me if Williamson was correct. For instance, Russia recently opened a ground station for Glosnass in Nicaragua, and another in SA.

Galileo has stations all over the place already:
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Navigation/Service_interruption_for_Galileo_system_upgrade

Does look like a bit of a gap wrt the Falklands though - don't think there are any French rocks down there.

They don't have to be at sea, though. Patagonia would work, for instance.

You’re taking geopolitical risk on the location

They probably assumed the UK was a stable long term partner

And we would be if they didn’t decide that we were a risk for some reason

It would be interesting to know what the base stations are used for: I assume they are needed where they are to allow constant or near-constant contact with all the satellites in the constellation, so that if any commands are required (as an example, perhaps a manoeuvre to avoid orbital debris) it can be done in a timely manner as all satellites will always be able to 'see' at least one station.

In which case, the risk of 'losing' a station isn't automatically disastrous, as they orbit twice a day, and will soon be within sight of another station.

It might be that the stations need codes for the military aspects, and they don't want to share those with us. But that could probably be got around as well.

More information needed ...

I thought they were needed for the A-GPS role - i.e. a ground based time signal to allow greater accuracy.

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

Depended on who was paying the most. . .

Polruan said:

HYUFD said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1047177009040908288

Nor, as polling shows, is No Deal acceptable to most voters in the UK

I’ve not followed recent polling that closely - is there any single specific form of Brexit (rather than nebulous leaving with no defined destination) that beats remaining in the EU in a forced binary choice?

Yes, a Canada style Deal, a Norway style Deal and even Chequers have higher net approval scores than Remain according to ICM but Remain has a higher net approval than No Deal in the same poll



https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

bigjohnowls said:

MUFC game delayed traffic congestion.

Accident on the M40?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow

Good time to do a speech

Pubs open at 11... .

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow

Good time to do a speech

Pubs open at 11... .

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

Sometimes they cut out the middleman. Caligula and Pertinax spring to mind.

Interesting phrasing ....

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

NickPalmer said:

SquareRoot said:

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1047130145608388609

I can only think of one MP who has publically said he was withdrawing his letter (though I've forgotten who it was) - so Brady is specifically calling him a liar.

An MP is a liar? surprise.surprise...Most MP's have been at least economical with the truth. Would you count yourself amongst such company?

Economical, certainly - at every election virtually every candidate selects the things they think helpful and shuts up about the others. Actual lying (e.g. saying I did X when I didn't), I don't think so. Generally politicians do try to avoid a flat lie - partly it makes them feel uncomfortable (really!) and partly the damage if found out is too severe.

Like I stopped appearing on Press TV after the way that they covered the 2009 elections? Lies like that?

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

And more profitable.

Who could forget that the Praetorians auctioned the Empire off after the murder of Pertinax? Which enabled the rich Didius Julianus to claim to be Emperor right up to the moment the army decided otherwise.

Wasn't Claudius hiding behind a curtain when the guard decided he was ideal Emperor material?

DavidL said:

NickPalmer said:

SquareRoot said:

NickPalmer said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1047130145608388609

I can only think of one MP who has publically said he was withdrawing his letter (though I've forgotten who it was) - so Brady is specifically calling him a liar.

An MP is a liar? surprise.surprise...Most MP's have been at least economical with the truth. Would you count yourself amongst such company?

Economical, certainly - at every election virtually every candidate selects the things they think helpful and shuts up about the others. Actual lying (e.g. saying I did X when I didn't), I don't think so. Generally politicians do try to avoid a flat lie - partly it makes them feel uncomfortable (really!) and partly the damage if found out is too severe.

Like I stopped appearing on Press TV after the way that they covered the 2009 elections? Lies like that?

My personal favourite is Tony Blair's 'I'm a pretty straight sort of guy.'

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

And more profitable.

Who could forget that the Praetorians auctioned the Empire off after the murder of Pertinax? Which enabled the rich Didius Julianus to claim to be Emperor right up to the moment the army decided otherwise.

Wasn't Claudius hiding behind a curtain when the guard decided he was ideal Emperor material?

So Suetonius said. If I recall correctly his qualification was pretty much being the last Julio/Claidian standing.

I have now come to the conclusion that, away from the obviously sane and sensible triumvirate of May, Hammond and Javid, the Tories are stark raving cuckoo batshit bonkers. Of course, the clues were always there, but I have taught myself over the years to ignore the bizarre ramblings of PBers as utterly unrepresentative of the party. I was wrong, our very own PB Tory Leaver friends on here are close to the mean.

Anazina said:

I have now come to the conclusion that, away from the obviously sane and sensible triumvirate of May, Hammond and Javid, the Tories are stark raving cuckoo batshit bonkers. Of course, the clues were always there, but I have taught myself over the years to ignore the bizarre ramblings of PBers as utterly unrepresentative of the party. I was wrong, our very own PB Tory Leaver friends on here are close to the mean.

I am not and despair at the utter crassness of some on both the right and left of the party

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?

They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.

Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speech

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp

Talking to themselves - not the nation

Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news

Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.

In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?

I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentration

Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same

At present the only grown up is TM

TM the only grown up? She refuses to accept her bunny Chequers is dead - and keeps taking it food every day.

There's a mountain of rancid lettuce piling up that a grown up is going to have to sort....

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow

Good time to do a speech

Yeah, get the ordeal over and done with and let everyone get to the bar for lunch...

Boris started today like a possible candidate but he lost focus and became tedious and faded

Start of speech - possible contender - middle doubts arise - end not a chance

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

I especially love the disclaimer: 'This list may not reflect recent changes!'

There is a science fiction novel series[1] which has as part of its backstory that among the “Latin-speaking professions”, the law, the clergy and medicine, there has been a centuries-long conspiracy to preserve the Roman Empire underground. As soon as humanity develops faster-than-light travel, they take over a suitably Earth-like planet and revive the Empire on it.

So who knows, maybe the author knows something the rest of us don’t!

[1] R. M. Meluch’s “Tour of the Merrimack”. Not recommended.

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?

They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.

Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speech

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp

Talking to themselves - not the nation

Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news

Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.

In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?

I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentration

Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same

At present the only grown up is TM

TM the only grown up? She refuses to accept her bunny Chequers is dead - and keeps taking it food every day.

There's a mountain of rancid lettuce piling up that a grown up is going to have to sort....

It's not a bunny. It's definitely a parrot.

A Norwegian blue, with beautiful plumage, pining for the fjords...https://youtu.be/4vuW6tQ0218

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?

They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.

Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speech

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp

Talking to themselves - not the nation

Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news

Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.

In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?

I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentration

Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same

At present the only grown up is TM

TM the only grown up? She refuses to accept her bunny Chequers is dead - and keeps taking it food every day.

There's a mountain of rancid lettuce piling up that a grown up is going to have to sort....

She and Hammond are the grown ups and will stand up to the wreckers

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?

They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.

Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speech

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp

Talking to themselves - not the nation

Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news

Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.

In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?

I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentration

Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same

At present the only grown up is TM

TM the only grown up? She refuses to accept her bunny Chequers is dead - and keeps taking it food every day.

There's a mountain of rancid lettuce piling up that a grown up is going to have to sort....

She and Hammond are the grown ups and will stand up to the wreckers

I misread that for a moment. While what I thought was there made sense, I thought that you'd come over all Sunil or Malcolm which startled me.

Then I realised the word was 'wreckers'...

Anazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anazina said:

I have now come to the conclusion that, away from the obviously sane and sensible triumvirate of May, Hammond and Javid, the Tories are stark raving cuckoo batshit bonkers. Of course, the clues were always there, but I have taught myself over the years to ignore the bizarre ramblings of PBers as utterly unrepresentative of the party. I was wrong, our very own PB Tory Leaver friends on here are close to the mean.

I am not and despair at the utter crassness of some on both the right and left of the party

Indeed, and I weep with you.

Fecking Aida, could you be any more melodramatic?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

GIN1138 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Theresa May's speech is at 10.00 am tomorrow

Good time to do a speech

Yeah, get the ordeal over and done with and let everyone get to the bar for lunch...

Boris started today like a possible candidate but he lost focus and became tedious and faded

Start of speech - possible contender - middle doubts arise - end not a chance

He seems to be getting pretty good reviews on the evening news.

Though I don't think it'll be Boris in the end - My money's would be on Raab (if I was a political better)

Evening all

As I have to work for a living, I shall avoid the widespread euphoria that will no doubt greet Theresa May's ability to speak for an hour or so without falling over tomorrow. Doubtless the content would be praised even if it was extracts from the Maidenhead phone book.

After Hunt's appalling effort and I can't even remember what Javid and Hammond said, May doesn't have a huge bar to scale but it's still a challenge. I suspect she'll say little or nothing about Brexit and focus on the more mundane and important.

I expect housing and transport to feature but May will at least talk some sense about housing unlike Boris today who spent the first part of his speech fighting the wrong battle. The problem about home ownership isn't the ownership (as it was) but the number of affordable homes. People rent because it provides them with the only chance to live in an area in which they can't afford to buy but changing that equation wrecks the owners in that area.

Carney may claim a "No Deal" will cause a house price fall of 35% but I suspect May doesn't want to test that. In terms of transport, the first and best thing the Prime Minister could do would be to publicly sack Grayling but the problem with transport is similar to the problem with housing - too many people want to travel and the capacity in the road, rail and air network just isn't there.

There will be solutions - Crossrail soon, some major road schemes before too long but problems such as new river crossings to the east of London take time and cost money and while capital borrowing at current rates probably isn't a bad idea the new bridge, tunnel or whatever is still decades away.

However, such projects do engender a sense of hope and optimism for the future and that is the one thing currently lacking. I actually thought Corbyn had a point when he talked about the Government's lack of humanity but it's more the lack of optimism that is the problem. May needs to answer the question "why should I vote Conservative" not "why shouldn't I vote Labour".

geoffw said:

Pulpstar said:

@Richard_Nabavi Much as I also think Boris Johnson is totally unsuitable to be PM, gaining a decent audience amongst his potential electorate (The Tory grassroots) is in no way a 'neutral' sign for him, it's definitely a positive.
I think he's rightfully favourite to succeed May.

Yeah, it's plain as a pikestaff that he's the one with the ideas and the "vision thing" which are sorely lacking in the PM and CoE. They are good at the details and being safe pairs of hands, it is said. But are those the qualities to look for in a leader? Boris may be erratic, unconventional and even a tad unreliable but that hardly matters when comparison is made with the grey beings mentioned as possible leaders. Boris is technicolor.

Boris is modelling himself on Trumpton.

ydoethur said:

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kle4 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Roger said:

Can anyone with a straight face say the Tories aren't completely bonkers?

They're queuing up to eulogize Boris.

Apparently there were 1500 people at the Boris fringe, and the Conference Hall which has a capacity of 3000 was half empty at the time.Tory Activists were queing round the block to get in with some Boris fans arriving at 9am to get a seat for his 1pm speech

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-blasts-mays-chequers-brexit-plans-a-cheat-a3951381.html?amp

Talking to themselves - not the nation

Boris doesn't even lead the ITV evening news

Probably just a sign of the Remainstream media bias or something.

In all seriousness, was it a well delivered speech at least?

I commented that it was a surprisingly good speech but as it continued it became tedious and faded towards the end as if he was losing concentration

Hunt and Javid have underwhelmed but Boris in the end was the same

At present the only grown up is TM

TM the only grown up? She refuses to accept her bunny Chequers is dead - and keeps taking it food every day.

There's a mountain of rancid lettuce piling up that a grown up is going to have to sort....

It's not a bunny. It's definitely a parrot.

A Norwegian blue, with beautiful plumage, pining for the fjords...

Would that be the Norway option ?

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it.

Edit: gotta love wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

And more profitable.

Who could forget that the Praetorians auctioned the Empire off after the murder of Pertinax? Which enabled the rich Didius Julianus to claim to be Emperor right up to the moment the army decided otherwise.

Wasn't Claudius hiding behind a curtain when the guard decided he was ideal Emperor material?

So Suetonius said. If I recall correctly his qualification was pretty much being the last Julio/Claidian standing.

Or crouching, if he was hiding behind a curtain.

That can be a right pain in the arras.

With the Tories, usually it’s best to back the yooniteeee candidate. Takes something special for them to pick someone from an identifiable wing.

Find that yooniteeee candidate and there’s you next pm.

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

felix said:

Jonathan said:

The Tories are talking about incest and assassination of their own policy. Definitely smells a bit broken.

No-one has spoken about incest. Not E. Leigh's point at all.

What was his point?

https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1047150434044063744

Indeed. I once met a brother and sister who'd never married.. Owned properties incl main residence together and wealth over iht threshold, they were going to be hit for tens of thousands on iht when the first of them dies.

Not at all uncommon I would guess.

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

And more profitable.

Who could forget that the Praetorians auctioned the Empire off after the murder of Pertinax? Which enabled the rich Didius Julianus to claim to be Emperor right up to the moment the army decided otherwise.

Wasn't Claudius hiding behind a curtain when the guard decided he was ideal Emperor material?

So Suetonius said. If I recall correctly his qualification was pretty much being the last Julio/Claidian standing.

Or crouching, if he was hiding behind a curtain.

That can be a right pain in the arras.

That's an awful pun, but rather than rail against it I shall go to bed.

Good night.

At least it wasn’t long drawn.
Bon nuit.

bonne

Beverley_C said:

geoffw said:

Boris is technicolor.

In my younger days "technicolour yawn" was a metaphor for vomit

You must have been a bit of a wretch.

geoffw said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

Nigelb said:

ydoethur said:

rpjs said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

John_M said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Recidivist said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1047192555316826112

No doubt Morris Dancer will know, but weren't the Praetorians specifically charged with making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated?

"making sure the emperor wasn't assassinated *by anyone other than the Praetorian guard*" was how they approached it

they make it 12.

12? That would be about 10% of the total? I guess they didn't have to send in 48 letters first.

Are we counting the East Roman Empire as well as the West Roman Empire? If not there were 87 emperors so it was about 14% of the total.

Constantine abolished the Guard so nothing after him counts.

In that case I make it twelve of 62 or a fraction under 20%.

Bringing your political assassinations in-house is more efficient.

And more profitable.

Who could forget that the Praetorians auctioned the Empire off after the murder of Pertinax? Which enabled the rich Didius Julianus to claim to be Emperor right up to the moment the army decided otherwise.

Wasn't Claudius hiding behind a curtain when the guard decided he was ideal Emperor material?

So Suetonius said. If I recall correctly his qualification was pretty much being the last Julio/Claidian standing.

Or crouching, if he was hiding behind a curtain.

That can be a right pain in the arras.

That's an awful pun, but rather than rail against it I shall go to bed.

Good night.

At least it wasn’t long drawn.
Bon nuit.

bonne

We’ll have none of your Frenchy airs here, thanks.

Beverley_C said:

felix said:

Beverley_C said:

bigjohnowls said:

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Mixed-sex civil partnerships to be legalised. Why not for siblings too?

Tomorrow's headline "Politician shows no understanding about dangers of inbreeding"

You need to get out of the gutter. His point is a fair one.

No it is not.

Siblings getting married is incest and is illegal so civil partnerships are out on the same basis.

They don't HAVE to have sex you know!

MMXVIII

The_Taxman said:

MarqueeMark said:

Beverley_C said:

felix said:

Beverley_C said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sir Edward Leigh MP
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Mixed-sex civil partnerships to be legalised. Why not for siblings too?

Tomorrow's headline "Politician shows no understanding about dangers of inbreeding"

You need to get out of the gutter. His point is a fair one.

No it is not.

Siblings getting married is incest and is illegal so civil partnerships are out on the same basis.

They don't HAVE to have sex you know!

They should get IHT advice and then its not a problem.

Well what's your advice o taxman?

Scrapheap_as_was said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

felix said:

Jonathan said:

The Tories are talking about incest and assassination of their own policy. Definitely smells a bit broken.

No-one has spoken about incest. Not E. Leigh's point at all.

What was his point?

https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1047150434044063744

Indeed. I once met a brother and sister who'd never married.. Owned properties incl main residence together and wealth over iht threshold, they were going to be hit for tens of thousands on iht when the first of them dies.

Why restrict to siblings. If it’s about IHT just say you can pass the house tax free to someone who lives there full time. That’s what this is all about