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Bad enough the FS resorting to hyperbole about the Soviet Union - but did you really have to stoop to ‘Allo ‘Allo ?Foxy said:
No we do not feel improsoned.Philip_Thompson said:
Why not? You think the Remain half of the public want to be imprisoned?Benpointer said:
It's not going to be popular with the Remain half of the public Big_G - you can surely see that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This was directed at both and would be popular by bothrottenborough said:
More like a naked pitch for some of the membership. This is the Tory conference. As with all conferences, half the content of any speeches is directed at the membership not the public.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is accurate. I listened to itFloater said:
Some people right now only want to see and hear what might serve their purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Check out what he actually said as in the next post by FloaterBenpointer said:
How can you say that comparing the EU to the Soviet Union is 'measured and correct' ?!Big_G_NorthWales said:
No - they were measured and correct and nothing he hasn't said beforeGardenwalker said:Jeremy Hunt’s remarks today were a gaffe plain and simple. Un-Prime-Ministerial.
You may not like them of course
It seems to me to be fair comment (if the transcript of his words I produced below is correct)
Maybe dead cat to get Boris off the headlines
If the Scots had voted to leave as much as the English might regret it overall we would have respected and facilitated their choice. And the No backing Scots would expect the nations choice to be implemented however remorseful.
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I did tell you that this morning. He was better when he was hiding behind the sofa.Foxy said:
Well, that's one country that we needed to get approval from for Chequers (++) that is insulted.AlastairMeeks said:
This is the level of elan possessed by the people planning a festival of Brexit. Inclusive is a concept that only applies to their drinks bills.SouthamObserver said:The Latvians know a bit about the former Soviet Union. Here’s their ambassador to the UK on Hunt’s comparison to the EU. How demeaning for our country.
https://twitter.com/baibabraze/status/1046442294684123139?s=21
Perhaps Hunt is as crap as Foreign Sec as Boris after all.0 -
Has Shadys of Ladbrokes got a book up yet on whether May will be the PM cutting the ribbon on this immense tourist attraction?Foxy said:0 -
Why is it that every time I think the government is marginally better than having Corbyn in power, I get a reminder like this that they are a bunch of asses who deserve to be kicked out of office.
Now I have to vote for a bunch of anti-semitic neo-commies0 -
And don’t forget the dodgy charges for the minibar.rottenborough said:
The trouble with mentioning 'hotel', is that we are straight back onto the 'Hotel California' meme: you can checkout but you can never leave.Foxy said:
No we do not feel improsoned.Philip_Thompson said:
Why not? You think the Remain half of the public want to be imprisoned?Benpointer said:
It's not going to be popular with the Remain half of the public Big_G - you can surely see that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
This was directed at both and would be popular by bothrottenborough said:
More like a naked pitch for some of the membership. This is the Tory conference. As with all conferences, half the content of any speeches is directed at the membership not the public.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is accurate. I listened to itFloater said:
Some people right now only want to see and hear what might serve their purposes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Check out what he actually said as in the next post by FloaterBenpointer said:
How can you say that comparing the EU to the Soviet Union is 'measured and correct' ?!Big_G_NorthWales said:
No - they were measured and correct and nothing he hasn't said beforeGardenwalker said:Jeremy Hunt’s remarks today were a gaffe plain and simple. Un-Prime-Ministerial.
You may not like them of course
It seems to me to be fair comment (if the transcript of his words I produced below is correct)
Maybe dead cat to get Boris off the headlines
If the Scots had voted to leave as much as the English might regret it overall we would have respected and facilitated their choice. And the No backing Scots would expect the nations choice to be implemented however remorseful.
We can leave, and indeed will be doing so in six months, but when we do we lose the benefits of membership. That is not a prison, at least not like one I know. More like a hotel, and when you leave you lose access to the room and facilities. It really is not difficult to understand.
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Damn, it’s catchingBeverley_C said:Why is it that every time I think the government is marginally better than having Corbyn in power, I get a reminder like this that they are a bunch of asses who deserve to be kicked out of office.
Now I have to vite ....
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Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady0 -
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
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Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.0 -
It's like Momentum, you have to focus on the real enemy.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
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Excellent.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
Although you know you can get from Southampton to Southampton by staying exactly where you start from! 0 -
Foxy said:
It's like Momentum, you have to focus on the real enemy.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
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Good plan, no flyingBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
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Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
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Beverley_C said:
Why is it that every time I think the government is marginally better than having Corbyn in power, I get a reminder like this that they are a bunch of asses who deserve to be kicked out of office.
Now I have to vote for a bunch of anti-semitic neo-commies
We really are in an odd situation. Two utterly shit main parties.0 -
It was a struggle but Marr was just as bad not letting her finish her sentences and itching to cut across her. She has a cold caught on her flight back from New York and did look tiredrottenborough said:Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.0 -
She's a complete and total waste of space.rottenborough said:Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.
The "Get Boris" campaign she and Hammond are unleashing at the moment tells me they know she's finished but they're trying to make sure he isn't her successor.0 -
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here0 -
Is she the worst communicator to be in No 10 in modern times?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a struggle but Marr was just as bad not letting her finish her sentences and itching to cut across her. She has a cold caught on her flight back from New York and did look tiredrottenborough said:Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.
I would say so.
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LOL! Who the hell would be an "admirer" of Mr Glumbuckets?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here 0 -
It better to be bloody blistering and full of actual ideas, if they want a chance.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here
The sense of drift from this government is looking terminal to me.0 -
I live in a safe seat, so can vote for whoever I like, the same donkey will be my representative in parliament. It is quite liberating in a way. I shall be supporting in the nearest LD/Tory marginal though. Loughborough is the only Leics one, and Nicky Morgan is one of the few sensible Tory MPs, so I shall leave her alone.Beverley_C said:Why is it that every time I think the government is marginally better than having Corbyn in power, I get a reminder like this that they are a bunch of asses who deserve to be kicked out of office.
Now I have to vote for a bunch of anti-semitic neo-commies0 -
So, the end result of the effect of the EU on Latvia will be a highly racially homogenous country with a tiny population.Foxy said:
I think your figures are mis-dated. The population of Latvia was 2.6 million in 2001.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
Part of the reason is low fertility rate at 1.65, considerably below replacement, but also there is migration. Migration is highest for ethnic Russians, and also their fertility rate is lower. Latvia is becoming more ethnically Latvian as a result:
https://www.eesti.ca/ethnic-russians-declining-in-number-more-rapidly-than-latvians-in-latvia-expert-says/article46779
Good old EU, eh?0 -
I rather like Hammond. There is much less bullshit with him than most Tories, and I am dry as dust on money matters.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Who the hell would be an "admirer" of Mr Glumbuckets?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here0 -
"Blistering" ? From Spreadsheet Phil? You having a larf?rottenborough said:
It better to be bloody blistering and full of actual ideas, if they want a chance.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here
The sense of drift from this government is looking terminal to me. 0 -
To be honest Dr Fox In Socks In Ox this doesn't surprise me...Foxy said:
I rather like Hammond.GIN1138 said:
LOL! Who the hell would be an "admirer" of Mr Glumbuckets?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here 0 -
Yes I agree she is very poor at communication.rottenborough said:
Is she the worst communicator to be in No 10 in modern times?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a struggle but Marr was just as bad not letting her finish her sentences and itching to cut across her. She has a cold caught on her flight back from New York and did look tiredrottenborough said:Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.
I would say so.
She has a job to do on Brexit and then I hope she will hand over to a successor (not Boris). I would expect her to leave office around May next year but continue as caretaker until the new leader is appointed0 -
The Russians in Latvia are older, and have fewer children. That is not the EUs fault, but rather that the old Soviet Unions.YBarddCwsc said:
So, the end result of the effect of the EU on Latvia will be a highly racially homogenous country with a tiny population.Foxy said:
I think your figures are mis-dated. The population of Latvia was 2.6 million in 2001.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
Part of the reason is low fertility rate at 1.65, considerably below replacement, but also there is migration. Migration is highest for ethnic Russians, and also their fertility rate is lower. Latvia is becoming more ethnically Latvian as a result:
https://www.eesti.ca/ethnic-russians-declining-in-number-more-rapidly-than-latvians-in-latvia-expert-says/article46779
Good old EU, eh?0 -
There's a first time etc etc...GIN1138 said:
"Blistering" ? From Spreadsheet Phil? You having a larf?rottenborough said:
It better to be bloody blistering and full of actual ideas, if they want a chance.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here
The sense of drift from this government is looking terminal to me.0 -
Night all.0
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Pond hopping does seem to take it out of politicians. Yes minister did a joke about it, hacker trying to make out he was concentrating in meeting when clearly nodding off.rottenborough said:
Is she the worst communicator to be in No 10 in modern times?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a struggle but Marr was just as bad not letting her finish her sentences and itching to cut across her. She has a cold caught on her flight back from New York and did look tiredrottenborough said:Watched about ten minutes of May on Marr.
Switched off.
God she is dreadful at interviews and looks terrified.
I would say so.
I had a hunch. I have followed it through and I am convinced I have solved the Brexit conundrum.
Canada+gin+Norway+proseco with Guinness as backstop.
Been trying it out all day and it works fine for me.0 -
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady0 -
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady0 -
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady 0 -
There are many believe it or not. I am agnosticGIN1138 said:
LOL! Who the hell would be an "admirer" of Mr Glumbuckets?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here0 -
There are many believe it or not. I am agnosticGIN1138 said:
LOL! Who the hell would be an "admirer" of Mr Glumbuckets?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking the full band widthrottenborough said:
Yep. Still looking for the sign of a single idea that will take on Corbyn and the under 45 age group's love of national public utilities, a home, free education and automated marxism.ralphmalph said:
If all the Tory Party can do at conference is attack Boris, then in it is terminal trouble.Big_G_NorthWales said:Lord Digby Jones received a standing ovation for his attack on Boris in his speech
So far, I have Festival of Britain, circa 1951.
Still, I suppose it's a start.
Tomorrow Hammond addresses conference and that is the speech to watch. He seems to have quite a few admirers on here0 -
My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.Foxy said:
The Russians in Latvia are older, and have fewer children. That is not the EUs fault, but rather that the old Soviet Unions.YBarddCwsc said:
So, the end result of the effect of the EU on Latvia will be a highly racially homogenous country with a tiny population.Foxy said:
I think your figures are mis-dated. The population of Latvia was 2.6 million in 2001.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
Part of the reason is low fertility rate at 1.65, considerably below replacement, but also there is migration. Migration is highest for ethnic Russians, and also their fertility rate is lower. Latvia is becoming more ethnically Latvian as a result:
https://www.eesti.ca/ethnic-russians-declining-in-number-more-rapidly-than-latvians-in-latvia-expert-says/article46779
Good old EU, eh?
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.0 -
I got seasick on a pedalo once! I enjoy the ferry down to Spain from Pompey, but if there’s the slightest swell I’m in bad trouble. A cruise sounds like a big risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
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I wouldn't say Jeremy Hunt is any better than Boris Johnson as FM if he compares the EU to a Soviet gulag preventing Britain from escaping. It's profoundly ignorant as well as insulting.0
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????Foxy said:
Good plan, no flying
What is wrong with flying? I like flying. ... provided I am pilot-in-command0 -
But it's a bit more complex than that. All the Baltic states have seen an exodus of ethnic Russians. That's nothing to do with the EU. All the Baltic states had birth rates below replacement from well before 1996, so that's nothing to do with the EU either.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
It's also worth noting that Estonia is now seeing net immigration, and the rate of decline in the other Baltic states has slowed very sharply.
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But those Eastern European nations don't want to take migrants as they are worried about the effect it will have on their country. If they wanted to open the doors and put people in those houses they could. Are you suggesting the EU should force them to take people (and force migrants who want a life in the west to move there)?YBarddCwsc said:My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.
And with a declining population mass migration would have a tremendous change. If they lost half a million of their own population and gained half a million migrants then the migrants would form 2p% of the population. Even if net migration is zero it doesn't mean the impact is zero.0 -
Around the Med in August would be a gentle introduction.SouthamObserver said:
I got seasick on a pedalo once! I enjoy the ferry down to Spain from Pompey, but if there’s the slightest swell I’m in bad trouble. A cruise sounds like a big risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
The bay of Biscay which you cross to get to Spain is notoriously prone to bad weather.
My wife was very, very nervous about cruising and even hates crossing the channel on a ferry.
She found the cruise experience very enjoyable.0 -
We have sailed in hurricane seas around Antartica, had a very rough transatlantic return crossing from Greenland trying to beat another hurricane, we had an unbelievable crossing of the North Sea when there were only four of us up for the full english breakfast, so the rougher the better.RobD said:
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
We have been on 12 cruises and never once suffered sea sickness. Maybe something to do with our connection with the sea and fishing communities0 -
We have sailed in hurricane seas around Antartica, had a very rough transatlantic return crossing from Greenland trying to beat another hurricane, we had an unbelievable crossing of the North Sea when there were only four of us up for the full english breakfast, so the rougher the better.RobD said:
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
We have been on 12 cruises and never once suffered sea sickness. Maybe something to do with our connection with the sea and fishing communities0 -
More concerned about those big floating white thingsBig_G_NorthWales said:
We have sailed in hurricane seas around Antartica, had a very rough transatlantic return crossing from Greenland trying to beat another hurricane, we had an unbelievable crossing of the North Sea when there were only four of us up for the full english breakfast, so the rougher the better.RobD said:
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
We have been on 12 cruises and never once suffered sea sickness. Maybe something to do with our connection with the sea and fishing communities 0 -
I am pointing out a very basic fact. If you lose 25 per cent of your population, then there are empty homes, empty schools.Philip_Thompson said:
But those Eastern European nations don't want to take migrants as they are worried about the effect it will have on their country. If they wanted to open the doors and put people in those houses they could. Are you suggesting the EU should force them to take people (and force migrants who want a life in the west to move there)?YBarddCwsc said:My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.
And with a declining population mass migration would have a tremendous change. If they lost half a million of their own population and gained half a million migrants then the migrants would form 2p% of the population. Even if net migration is zero it doesn't mean the impact is zero.
If migrants need homes, why can't they occupy them?
Of course, it will change Latvia. But that is the price that Latvia has to pay for freedom of movement of its own citizens.
The alternative is a diminishing, but racially pure Latvia.0 -
I can't handle ferries at all, I basically have to stand outside on a deck somewhere in strong winds to stop myself from feeling sick. I can half imagine I'd have to leave a cruise for medical reasons if I ever decided to inflict one on myself....SouthamObserver said:
I got seasick on a pedalo once! I enjoy the ferry down to Spain from Pompey, but if there’s the slightest swell I’m in bad trouble. A cruise sounds like a big risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
Although fine for those who can handle the sea so have a great one Big G.0 -
We have encountered those as well in Antartica, Greenland, and the Svalbard IslandsRobD said:
More concerned about those big floating white thingsBig_G_NorthWales said:
We have sailed in hurricane seas around Antartica, had a very rough transatlantic return crossing from Greenland trying to beat another hurricane, we had an unbelievable crossing of the North Sea when there were only four of us up for the full english breakfast, so the rougher the better.RobD said:
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
We have been on 12 cruises and never once suffered sea sickness. Maybe something to do with our connection with the sea and fishing communities0 -
So you are supporting the idea of forced relocation to the East?YBarddCwsc said:
My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.Foxy said:
The Russians in Latvia are older, and have fewer children. That is not the EUs fault, but rather that the old Soviet Unions.YBarddCwsc said:
So, the end result of the effect of the EU on Latvia will be a highly racially homogenous country with a tiny population.Foxy said:
I think your figures are mis-dated. The population of Latvia was 2.6 million in 2001.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
Part of the reason is low fertility rate at 1.65, considerably below replacement, but also there is migration. Migration is highest for ethnic Russians, and also their fertility rate is lower. Latvia is becoming more ethnically Latvian as a result:
https://www.eesti.ca/ethnic-russians-declining-in-number-more-rapidly-than-latvians-in-latvia-expert-says/article46779
Good old EU, eh?
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.
There is precedent, I believe!
But I do agree that the issue of non-EU migration and asylum needs a common European approach. It is a pity that we have walked away from it.
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Haven't you heard, Brexit will cause planes to fall from the sky.Beverley_C said:
????Foxy said:
Good plan, no flying
What is wrong with flying? I like flying. ... provided I am pilot-in-command
Think of it a a zombia apocalypse, but without the ability to shoot the blighters.0 -
We have looked for adventure in some of our cruises, hence Antartica, Greenland and the Artic but most cruises are fairly smooth and cruise ships have stabilisersFloater said:
Around the Med in August would be a gentle introduction.SouthamObserver said:
I got seasick on a pedalo once! I enjoy the ferry down to Spain from Pompey, but if there’s the slightest swell I’m in bad trouble. A cruise sounds like a big risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
The bay of Biscay which you cross to get to Spain is notoriously prone to bad weather.
My wife was very, very nervous about cruising and even hates crossing the channel on a ferry.
She found the cruise experience very enjoyable.0 -
Thank you. Just need to keep taking the pills in common with many oldies ( sea sickness ones not required)TheJezziah said:
I can't handle ferries at all, I basically have to stand outside on a deck somewhere in strong winds to stop myself from feeling sick. I can half imagine I'd have to leave a cruise for medical reasons if I ever decided to inflict one on myself....SouthamObserver said:
I got seasick on a pedalo once! I enjoy the ferry down to Spain from Pompey, but if there’s the slightest swell I’m in bad trouble. A cruise sounds like a big risk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady
Although fine for those who can handle the sea so have a great one Big G.0 -
The consequence of the EU's actions is to create a highly racially pure but small population in Latvia, which also has a precedent!Foxy said:
So you are supporting the idea of forced relocation to the East?YBarddCwsc said:
My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.Foxy said:
The Russians in Latvia are older, and have fewer children. That is not the EUs fault, but rather that the old Soviet Unions.YBarddCwsc said:
So, the end result of the effect of the EU on Latvia will be a highly racially homogenous country with a tiny population.Foxy said:
I think your figures are mis-dated. The population of Latvia was 2.6 million in 2001.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
Part of the reason is low fertility rate at 1.65, considerably below replacement, but also there is migration. Migration is highest for ethnic Russians, and also their fertility rate is lower. Latvia is becoming more ethnically Latvian as a result:
https://www.eesti.ca/ethnic-russians-declining-in-number-more-rapidly-than-latvians-in-latvia-expert-says/article46779
Good old EU, eh?
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.
There is precedent, I believe!
But I do agree that the issue of non-EU migration and asylum needs a common European approach. It is a pity that we have walked away from it.0 -
Darn! There goes my escape plan!!Foxy said:
Haven't you heard, Brexit will cause planes to fall from the sky.Beverley_C said:
????Foxy said:
Good plan, no flying
What is wrong with flying? I like flying. ... provided I am pilot-in-command
Think of it a a zombia apocalypse, but without the ability to shoot the blighters. 0 -
Goodnight0
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Battery gone - mine as well
All the very best to everyone
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The data atrcs1000 said:
But it's a bit more complex than that. All the Baltic states have seen an exodus of ethnic Russians. That's nothing to do with the EU. All the Baltic states had birth rates below replacement from well before 1996, so that's nothing to do with the EU either.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
It's also worth noting that Estonia is now seeing net immigration, and the rate of decline in the other Baltic states has slowed very sharply.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population
do not support the later two statements. Estonia has fared better than Lithuania and Latvia, but it is still losing people.
The rate of decline in Latvia and Lithuania has slowed, but not very sharply. They are still losing people.0 -
I thought Jeremy Hunt was a Remainer:
"Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt compares EU to 'prison' of Soviet Union"
https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-secretary-jeremy-hunt-compares-eu-to-prison-of-soviet-union-115137180 -
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?YBarddCwsc said:
I am pointing out a very basic fact. If you lose 25 per cent of your population, then there are empty homes, empty schools.Philip_Thompson said:
But those Eastern European nations don't want to take migrants as they are worried about the effect it will have on their country. If they wanted to open the doors and put people in those houses they could. Are you suggesting the EU should force them to take people (and force migrants who want a life in the west to move there)?YBarddCwsc said:My point is that the Latvians are unwilling to take in any migrants. Or hardly any.
That is the EU's fault.
The EU have left Spain & Malta & Italy & Greece to deal with the migrant problem through the fantastically insane Dublin Convention.
If a country's population is falling, that means there are empty houses, empty schools. Why are there migrants sitting in filthy camps in the Greek islands if there are empty houses and dying towns and villages in the Baltics ?
Ultimately, I have no patience with the countries in the East. They are happy for freedom of movement for their own people, but they are unwilling to accept that this comes with obligations & responsibilities to replenish their populations and to accept other people.
That is the EU's fault. The EU allowed this state of affairs to develop and continue.
And with a declining population mass migration would have a tremendous change. If they lost half a million of their own population and gained half a million migrants then the migrants would form 2p% of the population. Even if net migration is zero it doesn't mean the impact is zero.
If migrants need homes, why can't they occupy them?
Of course, it will change Latvia. But that is the price that Latvia has to pay for freedom of movement of its own citizens.
The alternative is a diminishing, but racially pure Latvia.
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?0 -
That data is incorrect. The Estonian government releases immigration/emigration numbers and they are now positive. See: https://news.err.ee/829911/estonia-sees-positive-net-migration-for-third-year-in-a-rowYBarddCwsc said:
The data atrcs1000 said:
But it's a bit more complex than that. All the Baltic states have seen an exodus of ethnic Russians. That's nothing to do with the EU. All the Baltic states had birth rates below replacement from well before 1996, so that's nothing to do with the EU either.YBarddCwsc said:And while we are on the subject of Latvia, the EU is causing Latvia to disappear much more efficiently than anything the Soviets ever did.
In 1996, Latvia’s population stood at 2.6 million. At the start of 2016, it was 1.95 million.
That is a 25 per cent drop in population in twenty years.
I cannot understand how a country that has suffered such a precipitous drop in its own population has only taken in 622 migrants as of 2018. And Latvia is busy building its own anti-migration Fence.
What will be left of Latvia in another twenty years in the EU ?
It's also worth noting that Estonia is now seeing net immigration, and the rate of decline in the other Baltic states has slowed very sharply.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population
do not support the later two statements. Estonia has fared better than Lithuania and Latvia, but it is still losing people.
The rate of decline in Latvia and Lithuania has slowed, but not very sharply. They are still losing people.
That's three years of positive net migration for Estonia in a row.0 -
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The Latvian numbers for emigration/immigration are here: https://www.csb.gov.lv/en/statistics/statistics-by-theme/population/migration/key-indicator/immigration-emmigration-and-net-migration
At 7,808, net migration from Latvia was the lowest level since 1999.0 -
Since 1991 (long before Latvia joined the EU), in only two years (both in the '90s) has net migration from Latvia been lower than last year.rcs1000 said:The Latvian numbers for emigration/immigration are here: https://www.csb.gov.lv/en/statistics/statistics-by-theme/population/migration/key-indicator/immigration-emmigration-and-net-migration
At 7,808, net migration from Latvia was the lowest level since 1999.0 -
Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.0
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France has the most fantastic pro-natal policies. Every family member (man, woman and child) gets their own tax allowances and they're pooled.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
The result is that if it's a family of five, you need to have an income of close to €250,000 before you hit higher rate taxes.
France is the only country in the entire world - as far as I can tell - where college educated women have such high TFRs (2.4).0 -
Of course, this will never be introduced in the UK, because it would be called "the baby tax", and would be regarded as an enormous bung to higher earners.rcs1000 said:
France has the most fantastic pro-natal policies. Every family member (man, woman and child) gets their own tax allowances and they're pooled.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
The result is that if it's a family of five, you need to have an income of close to €250,000 before you hit higher rate taxes.
France is the only country in the entire world - as far as I can tell - where college educated women have such high TFRs (2.4).0 -
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.0 -
rcs1000 said:
France has the most fantastic pro-natal policies. Every family member (man, woman and child) gets their own tax allowances and they're pooled.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
The result is that if it's a family of five, you need to have an income of close to €250,000 before you hit higher rate taxes.
France is the only country in the entire world - as far as I can tell - where college educated women have such high TFRs (2.4).
Nice try Jacob.0 -
LOL! I only have two childrenTheJezziah said:rcs1000 said:
France has the most fantastic pro-natal policies. Every family member (man, woman and child) gets their own tax allowances and they're pooled.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
The result is that if it's a family of five, you need to have an income of close to €250,000 before you hit higher rate taxes.
France is the only country in the entire world - as far as I can tell - where college educated women have such high TFRs (2.4).
Nice try Jacob. 0 -
Giving power to the government* is like giving whisky and car keys to teenagers.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.
The EU system - like it or not - is simply to allow people to live and work where they like. You may not like it. It may result in the complete disappearance of Latvia. But frankly, so fucking what?
Latvia will disappear one day, as will all countries. It's voluntary disappearance via the exodus of its people (should that happen) is surely the best way to go?
I mean, it's just a country. It's not something important, like somebody's life.
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How would you go about it? I'm not convinced that a couple who don't want children either would or should be persuaded by a tax break.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
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As an aside, by far the worst net migration is Lithuania (https://osp.stat.gov.lt/EN/statistiniu-rodikliu-analize?hash=7ae84706-e252-40de-85d8-35baecbbb038#/), where - unlike the other two Baltics - there has not been any improvement.0
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I think it's more about enabling people to afford child number two or number three.NickPalmer said:
How would you go about it? I'm not convinced that a couple who don't want children either would or should be persuaded by a tax break.AndyJS said:Countries with declining populations should encourage their native populations to have more children. It's as simple as that. There's no excuse for Italy having a fertility rate of 1.37 when France has one of 2.01 for instance, or Iceland with 1.93.
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Replenished? People are not goods. It’s that kind of two-dimensional thinking that lost Remain the referendum.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
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Try to be a little bit more original than just parroting O'Rourke.rcs1000 said:
Giving power to the government* is like giving whisky and car keys to teenagers.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.
The EU system - like it or not - is simply to allow people to live and work where they like. You may not like it. It may result in the complete disappearance of Latvia. But frankly, so fucking what?
Latvia will disappear one day, as will all countries. It's voluntary disappearance via the exodus of its people (should that happen) is surely the best way to go?
I mean, it's just a country. It's not something important, like somebody's life.
* Replace 'government' with 'EU' if you'd prefer.
I started by saying that the EU had done more to cause the disappearance of Latvia than the USSR.
You seem to be agreeing with me. Excellent.
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Why don't you suggest how to solve the migration problem, then?RoyalBlue said:
Replenished? People are not goods. It’s that kind of two-dimensional thinking that lost Remain the referendum.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.
Either you let migrants come and settle where they wish. Or you try to direct them to underpopulated regions.
One thing is for certain, the migrants are going to come regardless over the next decades.0 -
From memory on the old Royal Yacht the Windsors had it 2 months a year and the DTI had it 10 months.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is hardly a priority but I have no problem with a RY but it would have to be built in a British shipyard and be available to the Prime Minister and business leaders not just royalityPhilip_Thompson said:
Presumably a modern Britannia wouldn't be dated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I enjoyed a visit to RY Britannia in Edinburgh last month and it was very interesting. It is so dated and quite small but with lots of history.FF43 said:
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So, how about celebrating the freedom of its people rather than bitching and moaning?YBarddCwsc said:
Try to be a little bit more original than just parroting O'Rourke.rcs1000 said:
Giving power to the government* is like giving whisky and car keys to teenagers.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.
The EU system - like it or not - is simply to allow people to live and work where they like. You may not like it. It may result in the complete disappearance of Latvia. But frankly, so fucking what?
Latvia will disappear one day, as will all countries. It's voluntary disappearance via the exodus of its people (should that happen) is surely the best way to go?
I mean, it's just a country. It's not something important, like somebody's life.
* Replace 'government' with 'EU' if you'd prefer.
I started by saying that the EU had done more to cause the disappearance of Latvia than the USSR.
You seem to be agreeing with me. Excellent.0 -
"New tax on foreign home buyers to help rough sleepers, PM says"
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Are they? The number crossing the Med has collapsed.YBarddCwsc said:
Why don't you suggest how to solve the migration problem, then?RoyalBlue said:
Replenished? People are not goods. It’s that kind of two-dimensional thinking that lost Remain the referendum.YBarddCwsc said:
Unless you think the present migration system is wonderful, or unless you think the migration problem is going to vanish, then changes really do have to be made.Philip_Thompson said:
And the latter is what the Latvians have chosen. So what?
Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?
Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?
The Dublin Convention is completely unsustainable. It puts a huge burden on those countries by an accident of geography lie close to the Middle East and North Africa. Certainly, Italy & Malta & Greece have pretty much had enough.
You ask: "Should the EU force Latvia to take on people who aren't EU citizens and thus aren't entitled to free movement?"
Yes. Latvian citizens gained the right of freedom of movement. They moved. They should be replenished.
You ask:"Should the EU force migrants who want to go to western Europe to be repatriated to the East instead?"
Yes. I would open legal migration opportunities to the EU that restrict the migrant (in the first 5 or 10 years) to living in certain regions which need replenishment.
It seems logical to try to direct migration flows to underpopulated areas rather than allow a free-for-all.
Either you let migrants come and settle where they wish. Or you try to direct them to underpopulated regions.
One thing is for certain, the migrants are going to come regardless over the next decades.0 -
The RN currently have a T45 and T23 (only 10% of the escort fleet, no big deal) permanently tied up due to lack of crew. Who's going to be crewing Nu Britannia?Essexit said:
It could and should showcase British engineering and would whisk the Royal Family and ministers around in style and at speed.Philip_Thompson said:
Presumably a modern Britannia wouldn't be dated.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife and I enjoyed a visit to RY Britannia in Edinburgh last month and it was very interesting. It is so dated and quite small but with lots of history.FF43 said:
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Of all the outrage buses currently being permaoccupied by PB members, the declining population of Latvia is possibly one of the weirdest.YBarddCwsc said:I started by saying that the EU had done more to cause the disappearance of Latvia than the USSR.
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How do you work that out?Floater said:
By both sidesAlastairMeeks said:
We’ve had years of Leavers comparing the EU to Nazi Germany and the EUSSR is an old trope of Europhobes. Extreme hyperbole has been normalised.SouthamObserver said:
Demeaning the experiences of those who lived under the Soviet dictatorship in order to promote a leadership bid requires a special kind of self-absorption.Benpointer said:
How can you say that comparing the EU to the Soviet Union is 'measured and correct' ?!Big_G_NorthWales said:
No - they were measured and correct and nothing he hasn't said beforeGardenwalker said:Jeremy Hunt’s remarks today were a gaffe plain and simple. Un-Prime-Ministerial.
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I am booked to sail out of Southampton in January 2020 - but heading for the West Indies, the Amazon, and Rio. One of the joys of cruising is the variety of experiences.RobD said:
Atlantic crossing during the colder months? What could possibly go wrong?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good for you. One of the reasons we are going next September on that cruise is that my wife has always dreamed of sailing into New York. We have flown there but never actually crossed the Atlantic though we have sailed to Greenland from the UKBenpointer said:
Sounds great - have fun! Just booked a QM2 transatlantic crossing in 2020 for my 60thBig_G_NorthWales said:
Have a lovely break Ben.Benpointer said:Anyway Hunt's speech will be forgotten by Wednesday since Theresa's will be getting all the headlines... but will they be the sort of headlines she's looking for?
We're driving down to Seville, Cordoba and Granada over the next few days (where the forecast is 30 deg and sunshine every day!) , so no PB for me for the next week or so.
Have fun all!
We were due to cruise to the Canaries next week but as we have already been there we transfered to a 24 day Southampton to Southampton via Nova Scotia, New England and New York next September as an advanced 80 birthday present for my good lady0
