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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    First....as in out the door...for the app developer responsible for the Tory conference app.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,314
    FPT:

    An excellent piece for me from the always readable Simon Jenkins:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/28/take-control-brussels-london-whitehall-centralised

    It's disappointing the LDs are so obsessed with stopping Brexit they aren't running with this which is frankly a damning indictment of our over-centralised State.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    If not careful this could fall apart for Europe in the golf...Christmas might not be cancelled after all!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    I am not sure as a retail offer they cut through like jezzas stuff like free uni for you/ your kids, £500 “bung” (paid for by your company).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    FPT
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Sandpit said:

    brendan16 said:

    MyBurningEars said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1046029568329621504

    Is it prudent for her to have tweeted what she just did?
    If she logged into the app, clicked on Boris Johnson as a conference registrant and his email and phone number were listed on the app I don't see its her fault?
    That’s not what it sounds like, people were talking about being able to log in and post a message as someone else.

    I’m guessing that they’ve done something really stupid like set the username and password as the email address, then asked people to change the password the first time they log in. So if you know the email address of someone who’s not used the app yet, you can log in as them and view their own profile.
    One has to ask why did they need to have personal details in the app at all. In fact, is there really a need for an app.

    There does seem an obsession for having to make an app for everything these days, most of which is trash.
    I’ll guess that the contact details are there to allow delegates to send each other ‘virtual’ business cards during the conference via the app, or similar functionality. Collecting details is useful for the organiser’s post-Conference reporting, to allow followup and feedback.

    The app itself is very useful for the conference organiser, it allows them to see who attends each event and room, see who meets with each other, allows functionality like voting buttons in the meetings, social media integration etc. For the delegate, it provides them a schedule, notifies of changes of time and venue, allows delegates to message each other and exchange details etc.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Hammond might flounce, though....

    So sign me up!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    Youtube pays out to creators based on a formula that includes time watched as well as number of video views. This encourages longer videos to maximise revenue.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    Mr. Urquhart, indeed.

    And don't put anything remotely violent or naughty in titles. Because the Almighty Algorithm will smite thee. And smote shalt thee be.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    I am not sure as a retail offer they cut through like jezzas stuff like free uni for you/ your kids, £500 “bung” (paid for by your company).
    I think it speaks to people who loathe the railway companies and resent paying so much for such shitty service.

    The other obviously speaks to first time buyers and everyone struggling to get on the housing ladder.

    Specific policies targeted at people who can be convinced to stick with us or vote for us if we make their lives just a little bit easier/better. It's not about giving everything away and pretending that we can afford to nationalise the railways and give away free travel or whatever Labour are saying, it's a realistic offer that people will believe can be delivered.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Also, both of those policies will help us shake the image that we don't care about working people and only exist to get the votes of old people.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,183
    stodge said:

    FPT:

    An excellent piece for me from the always readable Simon Jenkins:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/28/take-control-brussels-london-whitehall-centralised

    It's disappointing the LDs are so obsessed with stopping Brexit they aren't running with this which is frankly a damning indictment of our over-centralised State.

    I am hoping that post Brexit, we LDs can start to speak of other things.

    I am going on the OCT 20 march though.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    Mr. Sandpit, I've heard that shorter videos simply don't get shown to people, again via the dread algorithm. That then naturally decreases views.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited September 2018
    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    FPT:

    An excellent piece for me from the always readable Simon Jenkins:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/28/take-control-brussels-london-whitehall-centralised

    It's disappointing the LDs are so obsessed with stopping Brexit they aren't running with this which is frankly a damning indictment of our over-centralised State.

    I am hoping that post Brexit, we LDs can start to speak of other things.
    Why can you not do it now? It isn't as though Brexit issues will not be paramount for a long time, so you may as well start at least thinking about other things at the same time.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    Going to be 10-6 going into the singles.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)

    Yes, that's completely unfair. Can't trust them with a cricket ball, that's fair enough. But anything? That's harsh
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    edited September 2018
    RoyalBlue said:

    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.

    Clearly the app industry should be nationalised. :)
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Jonathan said:

    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.

    One’s meant to blame first, reflect later but mistakes happen. Nobody died.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Everywhere, politicians are realising that fiscal rectitude doesn't pay anyome. The long-term consequences of deficit spending are always the same: inflation.

    The forty year bond bear market has begun. Owning 50 year bonds with low yields will be an excellent way to lose money.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    edited September 2018
    NickPalmer said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.

    Clearly the app industry should be nationalised. :)
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

    Edit: don’t you mean the Conservative Party?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    RoyalBlue said:

    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.

    Would it be wicked to point out that this year's conference of the Royal Statistical Society was shortlisted for "Best Conference by an In-House Conference Organiser" by ABPCO?

    Why yes. Yes, it would... :)

    http://www.conference-news.co.uk/news/abpco-reveals-shortlist-excellence-awards-2018

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    MaxPB said:

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    So having engaged the EU in a war of bureaucracy, you now wish to open a second front with Labour to see who can piss public money up the wall the fastest.

    I'll give you this, @MaxPB : you're certainly ambitious. A lesser man would not wish to fight on the ground of their enemy's choosing... :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.
    ...is the correct answer, and will not get you elected.

    There are no votes in fiscal rectitude. See Corbyn, Trump, and Five Star in Italy.

    UK 50 year government bonds yield 3.5%. Do you feel lucky?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
    I guess I'd better hum Jerusalem for two minutes at the end of every video to get them up to the required length.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.

    “Aim to reduce central support for local government” that has most certainly being a success. We need a radical approach on local taxation. If local police and crime commissioners want to increase th precept to pay for more police, good for them, go for it. There might (probably will be) quite a lot of support for the, they are elected positions. Remove the cap on the increase, same for councils with social care responsibilities. The precedent has already been set for hypothciated council tax increases for social care. Remove the cap on that also.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
    I guess I'd better hum Jerusalem for two minutes at the end of every video to get them up to the required length.
    It would be better than some leading YouTube’s filler content....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
    I guess I'd better hum Jerusalem for two minutes at the end of every video to get them up to the required length.
    I think they don't have to have any content, they just have to be ten minutes (+1 second?) long. You can have a seven-minute video with a three-minute blank screen added on

    Speaking seriously, there are guidelines on youtube and google on how to maximise your clickage.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    RoyalBlue said:

    NickPalmer said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.

    Clearly the app industry should be nationalised. :)
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

    Edit: don’t you mean the Conservative Party?
    Ah, a challenge! You could try going all McDonnell and farming out the leadership to a social cooperative of members in Tunbridge Wells. Worth a try!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    notme said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.

    “Aim to reduce central support for local government” that has most certainly being a success. We need a radical approach on local taxation. If local police and crime commissioners want to increase th precept to pay for more police, good for them, go for it. There might (probably will be) quite a lot of support for the, they are elected positions. Remove the cap on the increase, same for councils with social care responsibilities. The precedent has already been set for hypothciated council tax increases for social care. Remove the cap on that also.
    The problems with reducing support for local councils have been seen in the US with municipalities and cities. Their long-term costs (pensions for former employees, care for the elderly etc.) keep rising. This forces them to reduce spending on education, and to push up property taxes. This results in young people at the beginnings of their careers heading out to places where education is better funded and property taxes lower - worsening the issue.

    It's the demographic problem in a microcosm, and it's going to result in a raft of municipalities in the US going bust.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
    I guess I'd better hum Jerusalem for two minutes at the end of every video to get them up to the required length.
    I think they don't have to have any content, they just have to be ten minutes (+1 second?) long. You can have a seven-minute video with a three-minute blank screen added on

    Speaking seriously, there are guidelines on youtube and google on how to maximise your clickage.
    I suspect you're right, by the way. I've not have anywhere near the normal number of clicks (so far) for this video despite it being - I think - pretty good.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Going to be 10-6 going into the singles.

    Still turkey twizzlers for Christmas dinner?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.
    ...is the correct answer, and will not get you elected.

    There are no votes in fiscal rectitude. See Corbyn, Trump, and Five Star in Italy.

    UK 50 year government bonds yield 3.5%. Do you feel lucky?
    There are hopefully more votes in fiscal rectitude than in rectal fistitude. :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,276
    NickPalmer said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    NickPalmer said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    What is it about the Tories and their conference? We had letters falling off a display during the PM’s speech last year, and now this?

    Is it really so difficult? Perhaps, in accordance with Conservatice principles, the Party should contract out conferences to someone who know’s what they’re doing. Looking at random, these guys look like they’d do a better job:

    https://cleaningshow.co.uk

    Or perhaps these chaps (and chapettes):

    http://www.btaloos.co.uk/?page_id=305

    Give us strength, O Lord.

    Clearly the app industry should be nationalised. :)
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!

    Edit: don’t you mean the Conservative Party?
    Ah, a challenge! You could try going all McDonnell and farming out the leadership to a social cooperative of members in Tunbridge Wells. Worth a try!
    And on that farm he had some fat cats?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    MarqueeMark said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Going to be 10-6 going into the singles.

    Still turkey twizzlers for Christmas dinner?
    Yeah, and if lucky washed down with rolla-cola.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)

    I’m doing some work with one of their competitors at the moment. Should be a good Q4!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)

    I’m doing some work with one of their competitors at the moment. Should be a good Q4!
    Definitely not turkey twizzlers for your chrimbo lunch....
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.
    ...is the correct answer, and will not get you elected.

    There are no votes in fiscal rectitude. See Corbyn, Trump, and Five Star in Italy.

    UK 50 year government bonds yield 3.5%. Do you feel lucky?
    There are hopefully more votes in fiscal rectitude than in rectal fistitude. :)
    I know you’re overseas but it’s before the watershed here!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    DavidL said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)

    Yes, that's completely unfair. Can't trust them with a cricket ball, that's fair enough. But anything? That's harsh
    Well they also behind one of the worse corporate takeovers in recent history, Homebase!!!!
  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    matt said:

    Jonathan said:

    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.

    One’s meant to blame first, reflect later but mistakes happen. Nobody died.
    This is a piece of software thst appears to have been knocked up and chucked into a production environment with no release procedure, sign off on acceptance tests - there actually isn’t any excuse for such a basic error - it indicates a dev environment where nobody actually knows how to support each other to avoid these obvious potential problems
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    Anyone want Boris's number

    Shambles
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App was made by Australian firm Crown Comms apparently. Can’t trust those ex-convicts with anything (obviously joking)

    Why? I mean why Australian? Are there no British app-makers or was Lynton Crosby asked for a recommendation and if so, how sure are we there will be no snap election?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    edited September 2018
    kingbongo said:

    matt said:

    Jonathan said:

    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.

    One’s meant to blame first, reflect later but mistakes happen. Nobody died.
    This is a piece of software thst appears to have been knocked up and chucked into a production environment with no release procedure, sign off on acceptance tests - there actually isn’t any excuse for such a basic error - it indicates a dev environment where nobody actually knows how to support each other to avoid these obvious potential problems
    That’s the modern way - work fast and break things, as a famous CEO said not so long ago.

    Software companies, especially the smaller ones, love to have dev guys and customers working together, fixing stuff on the fly to make their product “dynamic” and “flexible”. Who cares about QA, just let the customers find the bugs. Nothing can seriously go wrong, can it...?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    bigjohnowls said:

    Anyone want Boris's number

    Shambles

    Don’t you mean app-solute shambles*....I will get my coat.

    * won’t be shocked if sun or mirror headline tomorrow
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    The Conservatives really aren't very good at IT. Or conferences.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    RoyalBlue said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    If I was writing the PM's speech I would include two big ticket items:

    1. £3000 worth of travel costs relief at basic rate, something only those who work benefit from. Loads of companies have travel loan programmes, it wouldn't be difficult to offer basic rate relief.

    2. Mortgage interest relief at the basic rate for first time buyers for the first 5 years of a mortgage.

    Fuck the deficit, there's no votes in fiscal continence at the moment. We need to win in 2022, even if it means a little bit less tax take.

    Mostly disagree.

    Reverse the fiscal drag that’s pulled more and more people into the 40% rate.

    Reverse benefit-in-kind treatment of employer-provided healthcare

    Work to integrate income tax and NI, specifically so that idle rich pay more on index-linked final salary pensions.

    Allow councils to increase local taxes for social care, aim to reduce central support for local government.

    And most importantly, run a balanced budget and shout about it from the rooftops. Go hard on those in bright red who will borrow even more from your grandchildren to pay for today’s largesse.
    ...is the correct answer, and will not get you elected.

    There are no votes in fiscal rectitude. See Corbyn, Trump, and Five Star in Italy.

    UK 50 year government bonds yield 3.5%. Do you feel lucky?
    There are hopefully more votes in fiscal rectitude than in rectal fistitude. :)
    I know you’re overseas but it’s before the watershed here!
    Sorry, couldn’t resist. Hope no-one was eating their dinner...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    Recidivist said:

    The Conservatives really aren't very good at IT. Or conferences.

    No politicial parties are....nhs IT scheme etc etc etc

    It is why I don't want them anywhere near social media registers, back doors in security software, and every other idiotic scheme they have proposed over the past few years.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    Opportunity


    To find out the personal information of everone who is a delegate
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,276
    bigjohnowls said:

    Anyone want Boris's number

    Shambles

    I think most of us had his number years ago, actually...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    Recidivist said:

    The Conservatives really aren't very good at IT. Or conferences.

    There will a be a CIO vacancy probably by next week, if anyone wants it?

    (Thinks about it for a few seconds...)

    No thanks. I’ll also bet they pay way under market rate, when they should be paying way over given the profile.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    An aside: I've heard that Youtube doesn't like short videos any more, and prefers them to be at least 10 minutes long.

    That is my understanding, it changed a few months ago. Give it another few months and it will probably change again.
    I guess I'd better hum Jerusalem for two minutes at the end of every video to get them up to the required length.
    I think they don't have to have any content, they just have to be ten minutes (+1 second?) long. You can have a seven-minute video with a three-minute blank screen added on

    Speaking seriously, there are guidelines on youtube and google on how to maximise your clickage.
    I suspect you're right, by the way. I've not have anywhere near the normal number of clicks (so far) for this video despite it being - I think - pretty good.
    Try this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FJEtCvb2Kw
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    Sandpit said:

    kingbongo said:

    matt said:

    Jonathan said:

    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.

    One’s meant to blame first, reflect later but mistakes happen. Nobody died.
    This is a piece of software thst appears to have been knocked up and chucked into a production environment with no release procedure, sign off on acceptance tests - there actually isn’t any excuse for such a basic error - it indicates a dev environment where nobody actually knows how to support each other to avoid these obvious potential problems
    That’s the modern way - work fast and break things, as a famous CEO said not so long ago.

    Software companies, especially the smaller ones, love to have dev guys and customers working together, fixing stuff on the fly to make their product “dynamic” and “flexible”. Who cares about QA, just let the customers find the bugs. Nothing can seriously go wrong, can it...?
    The funny bit is that management hear phrases like "agile development", and assume they mean fast.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    OPPORTUNITY

    O TITY
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,276
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Anyone want Boris's number

    Shambles

    Don’t you mean app-solute shambles*....I will get my coat.

    * won’t be shocked if sun or mirror headline tomorrow
    It shows a certain lack of comms sense, certainly.

    I must admire the brilliance of your pun though. It was apps-olutely on the money.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,314
    notme said:



    “Aim to reduce central support for local government” that has most certainly being a success. We need a radical approach on local taxation. If local police and crime commissioners want to increase th precept to pay for more police, good for them, go for it. There might (probably will be) quite a lot of support for the, they are elected positions. Remove the cap on the increase, same for councils with social care responsibilities. The precedent has already been set for hypothciated council tax increases for social care. Remove the cap on that also.

    The problem with reducing the central financial support to local Government is that it has been done in conjunction with a) passing responsibility for areas such as Public Health to local Government without funding and b) not anticipating or failing to appreciate the rise in the demand and cost of the core activities of the provision of care for vulnerable children and adults.

    The other aspect of this is geographical - a well-run county like East Sussex is suffering because of its own demographics. There are simply too many elderly people requiring care and that usually doesn't mean a place in a care home but domiciliary care which costs a lot to provide. The answer to the care crisis lies as much in the funding of this domiciliary care as in residential or specialist dementia care.

    The other absurd aspect of this is how Government money is dispensed - it is either doled out to every Council using formulae devised by central Government or it is subject to a bureaucratic bidding process. Too much Officer time is spent preparing on bids for central Government funding and if those bids are unsuccessful that is time wasted.

    The funding of local Government needs to be wholly removed from central Government involvement but at the same time the responsibility for deciding where the money is spent should lie with accountable local Councillors.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    Imagine if Facebook had developed this app...not only would all attendees details have been exposed but probably all of their friends and friends of friends as well...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    kingbongo said:

    matt said:

    Jonathan said:

    This app thing. Feel sorry for whatever minion is getting ripped to shreds right now.

    One’s meant to blame first, reflect later but mistakes happen. Nobody died.
    This is a piece of software thst appears to have been knocked up and chucked into a production environment with no release procedure, sign off on acceptance tests - there actually isn’t any excuse for such a basic error - it indicates a dev environment where nobody actually knows how to support each other to avoid these obvious potential problems
    That’s the modern way - work fast and break things, as a famous CEO said not so long ago.

    Software companies, especially the smaller ones, love to have dev guys and customers working together, fixing stuff on the fly to make their product “dynamic” and “flexible”. Who cares about QA, just let the customers find the bugs. Nothing can seriously go wrong, can it...?
    The funny bit is that management hear phrases like "agile development", and assume they mean fast.
    Agile can be made to work in certain scenarios, providing the teams are well organised and everyone is up to speed. Most likely those criteria are not met, and an ongoing mess/crisis is the result.

    I wouldn’t recommend it for anything involving customer data though, or anything subject to GDPR, PCI DSS or putting on aeroplanes, trains, power stations, political conferences, that sort of thing...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Anyone want Boris's number

    Shambles

    Don’t you mean app-solute shambles*....I will get my coat.

    * won’t be shocked if sun or mirror headline tomorrow
    Politicians need their hands holding on IT by an app-propriate adult.....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    edited September 2018
    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good. Labour getting found out on Brexit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,715
    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    Strong 'n Stable. ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    edited September 2018
    Made me laugh even more than the #ToryCtapApp

    https://twitter.com/evertonfc2/status/1045910730246107136

    #Kavanaughnovote
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,936
    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    Ooh, another six point lead. Fingers crossed for this time next week...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,276
    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Labour have spent the past few days looking like quarrelsome and not very bright primary school children. It is not surprising their polling is underwhelming.

    However, it is now the Tories' turn, and I will not be taking any polling seriously until their own efforts in this regard have filtered through.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Full FBI investigation incoming, if anything is off with Brett this should find it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Ouch. That hurts.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    That cartoon is searing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good. Labour getting found out on Brexit.
    Labour's position on Brexit is fine for opposition, but they're going to be found out come election time. To be honest their best bet is to have the whole process moved onward come GE2022 as farf as possible so they can do a eurosceptic version of the whole Hague "Lisbon is unreversible" schtick.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,844
    rcs1000 said:


    Everywhere, politicians are realising that fiscal rectitude doesn't pay anyome. The long-term consequences of deficit spending are always the same: inflation.

    Japan:
    National debt: 233% of GDP
    Inflation: 1.3%/annum.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-blogs/2018/09/ico-statement-in-response-to-conservative-party-conference-app-incident/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Jeez-louise, that's a strong cartoon!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    Ooh, another six point lead. Fingers crossed for this time next week...
    Its not another its the one from Wednesday last week
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    edited September 2018
    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Everywhere, politicians are realising that fiscal rectitude doesn't pay anyome. The long-term consequences of deficit spending are always the same: inflation.

    Japan:
    National debt: 233% of GDP
    Inflation: 1.3%/annum.
    Peter Pham analyses Japan's debt here.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterpham/2017/12/11/when-will-japans-debt-crisis-implode/#75fba4b4c6d9

    TLDR at the moment, it is OK because of globally low interest rates. Big crunch point in ~ 2040.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Full FBI investigation incoming, if anything is off with Brett this should find it.
    Full 7 day max investigation. Even if things are off it may not be possible to ever find proof let alone in 7 days.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    QT audience were very down on Labour’s Brexit ambiguities this week.

    Maybe Remainers are beginning to be seen as the problem, Leavers as the solution?

    And, just for @currystar - the economy is absolutely stonking!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Greens just 11% behind the CDU/CSU in new poll:

    "Europe Elects
    ‏ @EuropeElects

    Germany, Forsa poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 28%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 17% (+1)
    SPD-S&D: 16% (-1)
    AfD-EFDD: 15%
    LINKE-LEFT: 10%
    FDP-ALDE: 9%

    Field work: 24-28/09/18
    Sample size: 2,501"
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    HELLO

    Its the one that was released last Wednesday
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    AndyJS said:

    Greens just 11% behind the CDU/CSU in new poll:

    "Europe Elects
    ‏ @EuropeElects

    Germany, Forsa poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 28%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 17% (+1)
    SPD-S&D: 16% (-1)
    AfD-EFDD: 15%
    LINKE-LEFT: 10%
    FDP-ALDE: 9%

    Field work: 24-28/09/18
    Sample size: 2,501"

    More important is surely Greens are the opposition in that poll? Which is reassuring there was an assumption that opposition might coalesce with the AfD but it seems to have found a healthier outlet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    edited September 2018
    bigjohnowls said:



    HELLO

    Its the one that was released last Wednesday

    Talking about this...

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391

    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1046082176968781825
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    bigjohnowls said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    HELLO

    Its the one that was released last Wednesday
    Rattled, BJO?

    Turns out the public don’t like a Lefty love in after all?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    Mortimer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    QT audience were very down on Labour’s Brexit ambiguities this week.

    Maybe Remainers are beginning to be seen as the problem, Leavers as the solution?

    And, just for @currystar - the economy is absolutely stonking!
    Its almost as if leavers think that they are seeking to set aside the vote and remainers think Labour is no longer to be trusted. Weird.
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Full FBI investigation incoming, if anything is off with Brett this should find it.
    Full 7 day max investigation. Even if things are off it may not be possible to ever find proof let alone in 7 days.
    If the FBI were even able to determine a date and venue for this party, it would be helpful.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,821
    bigjohnowls said:

    HELLO

    MCFLY

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    DavidL said:

    Mortimer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    QT audience were very down on Labour’s Brexit ambiguities this week.

    Maybe Remainers are beginning to be seen as the problem, Leavers as the solution?

    And, just for @currystar - the economy is absolutely stonking!
    Its almost as if leavers think that they are seeking to set aside the vote and remainers think Labour is no longer to be trusted. Weird.
    ;)

    I’ve just read the most boring interview yet with a possible Tory leadership candidate.

    Please god no, don’t choose Liddington.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Le Monde have got their hands on a report on France preparedness for “no deal Brexit@:

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://mobile.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2018/09/29/hard-brexit-le-prefet-des-hauts-de-france-tire-le-signal-d-alarme_5362083_823448.html?xtref=https://t.co/OV2hlzfogb&xid=17259,15700023,15700124,15700126,15700149,15700186,15700190,15700201,15700214&usg=ALkJrhiJ6iYkNUk8TXMl8vSFLaENpsCPUg
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    App-gate and a crap May conference speech, plus some infighting and some twattish Tories found swigging Champers should soon put an end to the 6-point lead.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Full FBI investigation incoming, if anything is off with Brett this should find it.
    Scope is limited.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App-gate and a crap May conference speech, plus some infighting and some twattish Tories found swigging Champers should soon put an end to the 6-point lead.

    I doubt the app fiasco will move the dial, to be honest. It’s a bubble story.

    A bad speech would, though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    Mortimer said:

    DavidL said:

    Mortimer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    OGH Tweets

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1046079327132176391?s=20

    Good.
    YouGov:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1045954160062083072?s=20
    I have to say rather surprised.
    QT audience were very down on Labour’s Brexit ambiguities this week.

    Maybe Remainers are beginning to be seen as the problem, Leavers as the solution?

    And, just for @currystar - the economy is absolutely stonking!
    Its almost as if leavers think that they are seeking to set aside the vote and remainers think Labour is no longer to be trusted. Weird.
    ;)

    I’ve just read the most boring interview yet with a possible Tory leadership candidate.

    Please god no, don’t choose Liddington.
    Liddington is surely only there so that Hammond looks like he has got a sense of humour and is really frivolous.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,598
    Mortimer said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App-gate and a crap May conference speech, plus some infighting and some twattish Tories found swigging Champers should soon put an end to the 6-point lead.

    I doubt the app fiasco will move the dial, to be honest. It’s a bubble story.

    A bad speech would, though.
    I was sort of joking. Actually, what will probably happen, is it really pisses off journos and then they are super grumpy and that isn't a good thing if you want some positive PR.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    JonathanD said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/derekkburnett/status/1046052235485040640?s=20

    Full FBI investigation incoming, if anything is off with Brett this should find it.
    Full 7 day max investigation. Even if things are off it may not be possible to ever find proof let alone in 7 days.
    If the FBI were even able to determine a date and venue for this party, it would be helpful.
    Who was there would be good too.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,341
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    App-gate and a crap May conference speech, plus some infighting and some twattish Tories found swigging Champers should soon put an end to the 6-point lead.

    I doubt the app fiasco will move the dial, to be honest. It’s a bubble story.

    A bad speech would, though.
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