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As Nicky Morgan pointed out in no uncertain terms this morningdavid_herdson said:Good article from Alastair. Two points I'd pick up on.
He is absolutely right to focus on N Ireland as the most difficult and intractable problem. CETA doesn't provide a solution, unless married to the mythical technological solutions of Chequers. As such, I don't think CETA is a blind alley so much as a distraction. In principle, it's no more of a blind alley than Chequers; it's just that while addressing some secondary problems and opening up others, it doesn't deal with the primary one.
On the other hand, I think Alastair over-rates the difficulty of getting a CETA deal agreed. There are two big advantages to a tweaked CETA over a bespoke UK deal. Firstly, it's already there. It might have taken seven years to negotiate the deal but that's been done now: it's a model that can be picked off the shelf. And secondly, Britain is starting from a point of regulatory alignment. There's also the fact that an A50 deal is done under QMV rather than unanimity and requires no ratification outside the UK and EU parliaments (though that assumes that the trade deal *can* be done as part of an extended A50 process rather than a separate stage).
But the elephant in the room is Ireland and looking to Canada ignores it.0 -
Nate Silver stated baldly on his 538 site that Kavanaugh lied about his drinking. I'm not sure what evidence Nate has for that but since it would be an obvious libel if untrue I'd be prepared to accept Nate's word on that one.Alistair said:
He claimed he wasn't involved with the William Prior vetting process. His emails show him discussing it.Roger said:
What were the three instances of perjury? To European sensibilities he has a particularly belligerent and unattractive personality but that doesn't seem to be the way he's viewed over there if the vox pops are representative.Alistair said:
Ignoring the sexual assault allegations there were 3 clear cut instances of perjury in his testimony that should get him removed from his current position never mind bar him getting a SCOTUS seat.NickPalmer said:Can't help feeling that May is continuing to take things one day or week at a time, and this week is simply focused on getting through the Tory conference unscathed, she'll have another think about negotiating strategy again after that. If there's a long-term strategy I don't see it.
O/T: Blue wave building, though the latest polls are mostly in Democra states:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Can't help feeling it's unfortunate that the Kavenaugh hearings are turning out to be almost entirely partisan on both sides. The judge doesn't seem very suitable for the job, but I'm not sure I'd bar him on grounds of unsupported testimony, convincing though it sounded.
And then there's his "not backed up by any financial records" story about his large debts being wiped out and house payments.
He claimed he never handled stolen Democratic emails, his email records showed that he received them.
He claimed no knowledge of the warentless wiretap policy of the Bush administration he worked for which is also plainly untrue. I belive his get out for this one is that he though the question was about a very specific sub policy rather than the policy ib general.0 -
I disagree with their the concept of CETA being "off the shelf" it's over a thousand pages long, much of it dealing with exceptions like quotas for Christmas trees and who can be a notary public in Alberta. Each of those one thousand plus pages went through painful negotiation. By contrast EEA is IIRC thirty or so pages long, admittedly with an accretion of protocols. That is off the shelf.david_herdson said:Good article from Alastair. Two points I'd pick up on.
He is absolutely right to focus on N Ireland as the most difficult and intractable problem. CETA doesn't provide a solution, unless married to the mythical technological solutions of Chequers. As such, I don't think CETA is a blind alley so much as a distraction. In principle, it's no more of a blind alley than Chequers; it's just that while addressing some secondary problems and opening up others, it doesn't deal with the primary one.
On the other hand, I think Alastair over-rates the difficulty of getting a CETA deal agreed. There are two big advantages to a tweaked CETA over a bespoke UK deal. Firstly, it's already there. It might have taken seven years to negotiate the deal but that's been done now: it's a model that can be picked off the shelf. And secondly, Britain is starting from a point of regulatory alignment. There's also the fact that an A50 deal is done under QMV rather than unanimity and requires no ratification outside the UK and EU parliaments (though that assumes that the trade deal *can* be done as part of an extended A50 process rather than a separate stage).
But the elephant in the room is Ireland and looking to Canada ignores it.0 -
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
Maybe, but there is a point there. Like Corbyn winning the labour leadership election, he was saying and doing things and offering something new whilst the other's were offering nothing new.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
The same could happen in a general election, and there a real risk of it.
The Tories need to be much bolder, and far less mangerial.0 -
A couple of thoughts on the Kavanaugh thing:
1) Any remaining chance of Biden getting the nomination must be rapidly approaching zero.
2) Kamala Harris was the dog that didn't bark, wasn't she? She was in an ideal position to make an impression, she got a bit of traction earlier on with a Youtube clip of her on a line of questioning that ultimately didn't appear to go anywhere, then kind-of pottered around in front of an open goal in this latest round. I have a theory that she isn't very good.
3) So look at the other women in the race: Elizabeth Warren got good retweeting action, Kirsten Gillibrand is sharp and audacious.0 -
Sweden and Irelandnotme said:
Is there a nation in the EU that is a net importer of UK goods?TheKrakenAwakes said:All these talks of deals and option surely misses the point that the individual countries of the EU individually have to ratify the final deal. I have to ask myself why would an EU member state that is in the Single Market and the Customs Union want to allow a nation outside of the EU, access to that market when by doing so may impact on their own economies. After all if the UK stops selling dairy products to the rest of the EU does that not mean that there is greater opportunities for French or Polish dairy producers to increase their own sales to other EU states?
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Given every classmate interviewed on the subject says he was a repeated hard drinker it's pretty clear he lied on that.Pulpstar said:
Nate Silver stated baldly on his 538 site that Kavanaugh lied about his drinking. I'm not sure what evidence Nate has for that but since it would be an obvious libel if untrue I'd be prepared to accept Nate's word on that one.
Some recovering alcoholics on another forum I read are saying his beer based testimony had all the verbal ticks and tricks of someone covering how much they actually drink.0 -
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team0 -
I think we are most definitely headed for no deal. The EU has no strategic interest in concluding a mutually beneficial deal with a seceding state, and as long as May is PM, there will be no second referendum. She would win any vote of confidence amongst Conservative MPs, and Tory rebels will not put Corbyn into Downing Street to facilitate a second referendum. There will be no general election, because May is still leader.
Time to batten down the hatches.0 -
He also apparently lied about his involvement in the confirmation process of other controversial Federal Court nominees, and the use of stolen documents.Peter_the_Punter said:
Nate Silver stated baldly on his 538 site that Kavanaugh lied about his drinking. I'm not sure what evidence Nate has for that but since it would be an obvious libel if untrue I'd be prepared to accept Nate's word on that one.Alistair said:
He claimed he wasn't involved with the William Prior vetting process. His emails show him discussing it.Roger said:
What were the three instances of perjury? To European sensibilities he has a particularly belligerent and unattractive personality but that doesn't seem to be the way he's viewed over there if the vox pops are representative.Alistair said:
Ignoring the sexual assault allegations there were 3 clear cut instances of perjury in his testimony that should get him removed from his current position never mind bar him getting a SCOTUS seat.NickPalmer said:Can't help feeling that May is continuing to take things one day or week at a time, and this week is simply focused on getting through the Tory conference unscathed, she'll have another think about negotiating strategy again after that. If there's a long-term strategy I don't see it.
O/T: Blue wave building, though the latest polls are mostly in Democra states:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Can't help feeling it's unfortunate that the Kavenaugh hearings are turning out to be almost entirely partisan on both sides. The judge doesn't seem very suitable for the job, but I'm not sure I'd bar him on grounds of unsupported testimony, convincing though it sounded.
And then there's his "not backed up by any financial records" story about his large debts being wiped out and house payments.
He claimed he never handled stolen Democratic emails, his email records showed that he received them.
He claimed no knowledge of the warentless wiretap policy of the Bush administration he worked for which is also plainly untrue. I belive his get out for this one is that he though the question was about a very specific sub policy rather than the policy ib general.
(The above is one of the reasons for the delay in release, or outright refusal to release, documents relating to his service in the Bush White House.)0 -
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
I do agree but Corbyn's labour is imploding and letting in Hatton just confirms how far they have lost it.Slackbladder said:
Maybe, but there is a point there. Like Corbyn winning the labour leadership election, he was saying and doing things and offering something new whilst the other's were offering nothing new.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
The same could happen in a general election, and there a real risk of it.
The Tories need to be much bolder, and far less mangerial.
By meekly looking on their mps are complicit in antisemitism and approving destructive hard left economic policies0 -
IIUC Feinstein says the accuser asked her to keep it confidential - do you have any evidence that this is untrue?Charles said:
Whatever you think of the merits of the Judge, the Democrats have behaved appallingly. They had the allegations in July and sat on them until it was too late for the FBI to include them in the investigation0 -
Agree completely.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team
I’d love to see someone like Gove in the Treasury after Brexit - it’s going to require a thinker rather than a manager in that position, to react quickly where necessary to what happens in the economy.0 -
Labour has the ideas, the Tories have the poll leads. The country is in a mess. It is hard to see how we get out of this. It could be that we need to see Brexit through to its final and logical conclusion: the break-up of the UK. The English - right and left - need to understand that we do not matter that much anymore and then we need to accept that. All delusions have to be destroyed before the rebuilding can begin.rottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/0 -
Looking forward to it. Timely.david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
Norman Rockwell or a very good impersonator?DayTripper said:
Salzburg
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Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/10453877919857909770 -
Well, it would certainly be more dynamic and take the fight to Labour.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team
I have concerns about some of Javid's ideas though. Getting rid of the opt-out only pension saving scheme is just plain bonkers.0 -
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
It probably bears repeating, especially as you are likely to put forward a more convincing case than Nelson.david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
Lol. Letwin.rottenborough said:0 -
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
what odds will you give me on a deal?RoyalBlue said:I think we are most definitely headed for no deal. The EU has no strategic interest in concluding a mutually beneficial deal with a seceding state, and as long as May is PM, there will be no second referendum. She would win any vote of confidence amongst Conservative MPs, and Tory rebels will not put Corbyn into Downing Street to facilitate a second referendum. There will be no general election, because May is still leader.
Time to batten down the hatches.0 -
First they came for the Sun and I did not speak out, because....rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.
Then they came for the Mail and I did not speak out...
Then they came for the Guardian....ITS A F##KING OUTRAGE...
Dissent will not be tolerated by the Cult. The Guardian were really supportive of McDonnell and Corbyn's speeches, but somehow they are now in the same bin as Sun and Mail with the Cult.0 -
Mr. Borough, if Letwin's offering that, May will end up leading the Conservatives for a thousand years.0
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Amazing how stupid the party is. Only six months to go to Brexit and they should be supportive. Anytime post April 2019 is the time to seek her resignation.rottenborough said:0 -
Is Baddiel's tweet supposed to make sense?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
Nothing in Corbyn's labour makes senseRoger said:
Is Baddiel's tweet supposed to make sense?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
One of G W Bush's former speechwriters has some good advice for Graham, who was a very long distance from 'spot on'.Charles said:
I watched the testimony live last night.NickPalmer said:Can't help feeling that May is continuing to take things one day or week at a time, and this week is simply focused on getting through the Tory conference unscathed, she'll have another think about negotiating strategy again after that. If there's a long-term strategy I don't see it.
O/T: Blue wave building, though the latest polls are mostly in Democra states:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Can't help feeling it's unfortunate that the Kavenaugh hearings are turning out to be almost entirely partisan on both sides. The judge doesn't seem very suitable for the job, but I'm not sure I'd bar him on grounds of unsupported testimony, convincing though it sounded.
Lindsey Graham had it spot on.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-gop-women-2207360 -
Effectively they are supportive. Their threat to move next year not only rejects another election with may in charge but also a move for her this conference.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Amazing how stupid the party is. Only six months to go to Brexit and they should be supportive. Anytime post April 2019 is the time to seek her resignation.rottenborough said:0 -
It's true and worth saying. Worse still for the Conservatives, they can't stop fighting each other (because of Brexit, natch).david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Borough, if Letwin's offering that, May will end up leading the Conservatives for a thousand years.
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I'm in awe. The research, the detail. What a champ. Every mobile phone used in Dr Who identified.
https://shkspr.mobi/blog/tag/doctor-who-phones/0 -
Baddiel tweet makes perfect sense, probably funnier than his last stand up gig, TBHBig_G_NorthWales said:
Nothing in Corbyn's labour makes senseRoger said:
Is Baddiel's tweet supposed to make sense?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
Oh dear - If Letwin's involved then disaster is looming.rottenborough said: 0 -
He’s obviously wrong - it’s clearly “People’s Front of Judea”!Roger said:
Is Baddiel's tweet supposed to make sense?rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1045406072129941509FrancisUrquhart said:
I am convinced there must have been a mix up and they asked the wrong Craig Murray.....that can be the only explanation.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
He is not only a fruitbat, he is anti-UK government (I mean in a non-party political way), anti-Western / pro-Russian.0 -
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More like Oliver Letlabourwin as PE used to call him.Pulpstar said:
Lol. Letwin.rottenborough said:0 -
And here is your 2020 London Mayoral runner up....Scott_P said:
Whenever I see him interviewed, he seems a nice chap, good back-story, but is weak and he will get steamrollered by experienced political operator like Khan in a Labour city.0 -
https://prints.nrm.org/detail/261050/rockwell-jury-roomRoger said:
Norman Rockwell or a very good impersonator?DayTripper said:
Salzburg0 -
Fewer than 10,000 votes between them...Scott_P said:0 -
He looks like a drinker, that is for sure.Nigelb said:
He also apparently lied about his involvement in the confirmation process of other controversial Federal Court nominees, and the use of stolen documents.Peter_the_Punter said:
Nate Silver stated baldly on his 538 site that Kavanaugh lied about his drinking. I'm not sure what evidence Nate has for that but since it would be an obvious libel if untrue I'd be prepared to accept Nate's word on that one.Alistair said:
He claimed he wasn't involved with the William Prior vetting process. His emails show him discussing it.Roger said:
What were the three instances of perjury? To European sensibilities he has a particularly belligerent and unattractive personality but that doesn't seem to be the way he's viewed over there if the vox pops are representative.Alistair said:
Ignoring the sexual assault allegations there were 3 clear cut instances of perjury in his testimony that should get him removed from his current position never mind bar him getting a SCOTUS seat.NickPalmer said:Can't help feeling that May is continuing to take things one day or week at a time, and this week is simply focused on getting through the Tory conference unscathed, she'll have another think about negotiating strategy again after that. If there's a long-term strategy I don't see it.
O/T: Blue wave building, though the latest polls are mostly in Democra states:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Can't help feeling it's unfortunate that the Kavenaugh hearings are turning out to be almost entirely partisan on both sides. The judge doesn't seem very suitable for the job, but I'm not sure I'd bar him on grounds of unsupported testimony, convincing though it sounded.
And then there's his "not backed up by any financial records" story about his large debts being wiped out and house payments.
He claimed he never handled stolen Democratic emails, his email records showed that he received them.
He claimed no knowledge of the warentless wiretap policy of the Bush administration he worked for which is also plainly untrue. I belive his get out for this one is that he though the question was about a very specific sub policy rather than the policy ib general.
(The above is one of the reasons for the delay in release, or outright refusal to release, documents relating to his service in the Bush White House.)
His testimony made clear he is a very political judge and his appointment will give SCOTUS an entrenched right wing majority. The fabric holding the US together is getting looser and looser. The single Demos may soon cease to exist. It is a country in very deep trouble.
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Mr. P, huzzah for Bailey!
Now all he has to do is win the election.
Edited extra bit: right, a political betting question (odd, I know).
On Ladbrokes, and Betfair, Bailey is 4 to win, Khan is 1.4. I backed Bailey with a tiny sum at 61.
Will Khan's odds tighten, or lengthen? Should I hedge my small stakes bet?
[Incidentally, I do have the bet ID for said bet so hopefully it won't magically vanish...]0 -
Yes. It's coming to the point where only a revolution in the party system is capable of delivering a deal. Given the splits within both the Tories and Labour, that might in theory be possible but for two things.RoyalBlue said:I think we are most definitely headed for no deal. The EU has no strategic interest in concluding a mutually beneficial deal with a seceding state, and as long as May is PM, there will be no second referendum. She would win any vote of confidence amongst Conservative MPs, and Tory rebels will not put Corbyn into Downing Street to facilitate a second referendum. There will be no general election, because May is still leader.
Time to batten down the hatches.
Firstly, it'd need May to lead the process, throwing over her own party and making common cause with moderate Lab remainers, to conclude an EEA-type agreement, which would then presumably need ratifying in a referendum to give it the legitimacy of overturning the previous result. May is not the person to take such a leap in the dark.
And secondly, the necessary order of events makes it even harder because even if she were to accept an EEA deal as necessary and holding majority support in the country and Commons, how she'd get there is another matter. It's unlikely that her own party would let her start out along that road but Labour MPs would surely not be willing to give her a blank cheque either - would they really be willing to split their own party just as the Tories were riven in two? A centrist 'moderate' party (which may or may not exclude the Lib Dems), that would probably be Blairite in many ways might, if it worked, come to dominate the political scene but it's very easy to see how it could also fail. By contrast, Corbyn would be pushing for an immediate election - one Labour would very probably win - which Labour MPs, no matter what their reservations about Corbyn, would surely find more attractive.0 -
https://twitter.com/nickcohen4/status/1045248833905725440?s=21Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/10453877919857909770 -
Part of the problem is that nature abhors a vacuum. Labour aren't opposing the Tories so they feel free to argue amongst themselves. If Labour were turning their guns on the Tories instead of each other and Jews then the Tories would be more likely to turn their guns on Labour.AlastairMeeks said:
It's true and worth saying. Worse still for the Conservatives, they can't stop fighting each other (because of Brexit, natch).david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
The Country is in a mess??????? What did you think of the winter of 1978/79, dreamland???SouthamObserver said:
Labour has the ideas, the Tories have the poll leads. The country is in a mess. It is hard to see how we get out of this. It could be that we need to see Brexit through to its final and logical conclusion: the break-up of the UK. The English - right and left - need to understand that we do not matter that much anymore and then we need to accept that. All delusions have to be destroyed before the rebuilding can begin.rottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
The Country is in great shape, thats why people want to come and live here.0 -
Good luck to Shaun Bailey, he’s got 18 months to challenge the mayor about the serious crime and gang problems in London, and that he’s implementing almost nothing of the manifesto on which he was elected.0
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Labour seem to be taking the Remainers caricature of Brexit (we'll turn back the clock and make everything here) and selling it to Hovis eating Northern pit folkAlastairMeeks said:
It's true and worth saying. Worse still for the Conservatives, they can't stop fighting each other (because of Brexit, natch).david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
We are to be back in the mid 70s. Labour being taken over by the hard left, and a defeated Europhile Tory leader having to go... Thatcher describes the Labour party's troubles in the 70's here, she might as well be talking about 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO44vzTLa7g
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4 more years of tweeting about Trump and letting gangs take over London then.FrancisUrquhart said:
And here is your 2020 London Mayoral runner up....Scott_P said:
Whenever I see him interviewed, he seems a nice chap, good back-story, but is weak and he will get steamrollered by experienced political operator like Khan in a Labour city.0 -
Evidently Labour have seen how a mad reactionary fantasy was successfully sold to the public and concluded that rather than fight that it's easier to follow the same path. In a sense you can't blame them.JohnRussell said:
Labour seem to be taking the Remainers caricature of Brexit (we'll turn back the clock and make everything here) and selling it to Hovis eating Northern pit folk
We are to be back in the mid 70s. Labour being taken over by the hard left, and a defeated Europhile Tory leader having to go... Thatcher describes the Labour party's troubles in the 70's here, she might as well be talking about 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO44vzTLa7g0 -
Hopefully next week will see the Conservatives both have a debate about ideas on subjects other than Brexit, and take it hard to Corbyn and McDonnell for the economic fantasy land they presented last week.Philip_Thompson said:
Part of the problem is that nature abhors a vacuum. Labour aren't opposing the Tories so they feel free to argue amongst themselves. If Labour were turning their guns on the Tories instead of each other and Jews then the Tories would be more likely to turn their guns on Labour.AlastairMeeks said:
It's true and worth saying. Worse still for the Conservatives, they can't stop fighting each other (because of Brexit, natch).david_herdson said:
Can people please stop saying this: it was going to be my article for tomorrow! (It might still be).rottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.0 -
Regarding Degsy "rejoining" the Labour Party. He has applied for membership. His membership is provisional for a period of 8 weeks where his CLP can raise an objection to his joining0
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Will Sadiq Khan stand in 2020?
He might decide he wants to get back to Wesminster so he's around to have a run at the leadership should Jezza screw up in 2022?0 -
Morning all
Sophy Ridge in her Friday column in Metro surprisingly enthused by the Corbyn speech and by Labour's week in general.
While you can easily pick holes in the Labour plans it's not about the plans themselves but the fact Labour is addressing the world beyond Brexit that matters.
By contrast, the Conservatives look like they are being eaten alive by the inner contradictions of Brexit. Canada (add as many pluses as you like), Norway, FTA, WTO - all well and good and all very important but not what most people are about most of the time.
Ridge also makes the point all the noise about anti-Semitism hasn't had a huge impact with most voters (only 5% mentioned it as a factor in a Populus survey).
Labour's problem is without doubt the messenger, not the message which is superficially attractive and popular despite the contradictions and obvious flaws.
Will the Conservative Conference be dominated by A50? Will May's speech be better than her disastrous 2017 effort? Do bears used tree-covered areas for toiletry activities?0 -
Don't underestimate him - great news he has the nomination! In to 3s (in proper money) on BF.FrancisUrquhart said:
And here is your 2020 London Mayoral runner up....Scott_P said:
Whenever I see him interviewed, he seems a nice chap, good back-story, but is weak and he will get steamrollered by experienced political operator like Khan in a Labour city.0 -
I quite like Degsy. His unabashed venality is quite refreshing. He'd be a great Home Secretary.0
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Mr. Gin, wasn't Khan confirmed as the Labour candidate a few weeks go?0
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What is in the A50 deal is at the discretion of the member states. There is no reason why it can't include a trade agreement. Whether a further round of talks could be defined as within that process, once March 29 has passed is another matter. My instinct is that it couldn't but it's not explicitly excluded.williamglenn said:
The A50 ratification process just relates to the withdrawal agreement so it wouldn’t allow a trade deal that would otherwise require full member state ratification to go through by the back door.david_herdson said:Good article from Alastair. Two points I'd pick up on.
He is absolutely right to focus on N Ireland as the most difficult and intractable problem. CETA doesn't provide a solution, unless married to the mythical technological solutions of Chequers. As such, I don't think CETA is a blind alley so much as a distraction. In principle, it's no more of a blind alley than Chequers; it's just that while addressing some secondary problems and opening up others, it doesn't deal with the primary one.
On the other hand, I think Alastair over-rates the difficulty of getting a CETA deal agreed. There are two big advantages to a tweaked CETA over a bespoke UK deal. Firstly, it's already there. It might have taken seven years to negotiate the deal but that's been done now: it's a model that can be picked off the shelf. And secondly, Britain is starting from a point of regulatory alignment. There's also the fact that an A50 deal is done under QMV rather than unanimity and requires no ratification outside the UK and EU parliaments (though that assumes that the trade deal *can* be done as part of an extended A50 process rather than a separate stage).
But the elephant in the room is Ireland and looking to Canada ignores it.0 -
Given that he once had an affair with an Uzbek stripper, this is pretty funny.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/10453877919857909770 -
I must've missed the announcement Mr Morris.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, wasn't Khan confirmed as the Labour candidate a few weeks go?
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I hadn't seen that. What is he suggesting? A link would be much appreciated.rottenborough said:...
I have concerns about some of Javid's ideas though. Getting rid of the opt-out only pension saving scheme is just plain bonkers.0 -
Will they have him back...he is far too moderate for the new Labour party.GIN1138 said:Will Sadiq Khan stand in 2020?
He might decide he wants to get back to Wesminster so he's around to have a run at the leadership should Jezza screw up in 2022?0 -
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 28% (-2)
SPD-S&D: 17% (-3)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 17% (+1)
AfD-EFDD: 16% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 8% (+1)
Field work: 25/09/18 – 27/09/18
Sample size: 1,260"0 -
"Horizontal solidarity" is some euphemism...BannedInParis said:
Given that he once had an affair with an Uzbek stripper, this is pretty funny.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/10453877919857909770 -
Managing to keep her voice through the speech and not having the stage set fall down around her head would be considered a "win" for Theresa this year!stodge said:
Will the Conservative Conference be dominated by A50? Will May's speech be better than her disastrous 2017 effort? Do bears used tree-covered areas for toiletry activities? 0 -
Mr. Gin, there was a comment about Khan breaking ranks and calling for a second referendum shortly after he was named as Labour's candidate for 2020, I think.0
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New Labour? Shouldn't that be Pure Labour? Or Real Labour?FrancisUrquhart said:
Will they have him back...he is far too moderate for the new Labour party.GIN1138 said:Will Sadiq Khan stand in 2020?
He might decide he wants to get back to Wesminster so he's around to have a run at the leadership should Jezza screw up in 2022?0 -
May was interveiwed by BBC London last night prior to the announcement of the Tory mayoral candidate. She looked tired, nervous and heavily made up. When asked how she could sell Brexit to Londoners she came out with vacuous cliches about getting a good deal and new opportunities outside the EU. It was a zombie-like performance, she clearly has no idea how to get out of the hole into which she has dug herself.stodge said:Morning all
Sophy Ridge in her Friday column in Metro surprisingly enthused by the Corbyn speech and by Labour's week in general.
While you can easily pick holes in the Labour plans it's not about the plans themselves but the fact Labour is addressing the world beyond Brexit that matters.
By contrast, the Conservatives look like they are being eaten alive by the inner contradictions of Brexit. Canada (add as many pluses as you like), Norway, FTA, WTO - all well and good and all very important but not what most people are about most of the time.
Ridge also makes the point all the noise about anti-Semitism hasn't had a huge impact with most voters (only 5% mentioned it as a factor in a Populus survey).
Labour's problem is without doubt the messenger, not the message which is superficially attractive and popular despite the contradictions and obvious flaws.
Will the Conservative Conference be dominated by A50? Will May's speech be better than her disastrous 2017 effort? Do bears used tree-covered areas for toiletry activities?0 -
I disagree that the Tory problem is Brexit. When was the last time we heard anyone - even the much vaunted Gove - make an inspiring, visionary speech about how the Conservatives will build a 21st century UK? Of course, there are platitudes a-plenty, but they are cross-party, don't you think? 'We will make Britain a better, fairer, more prosperous country' could be dribbled out by any rosette wearing donkey.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion. Sure, the polls are level pegging, but the base (and I'm part of her base) are just not enthused in the same way Labour supporters are. I suspect they are going to struggle to GOTV on election day.0 -
Reader, he married her.BannedInParis said:
Given that he once had an affair with an Uzbek stripper, this is pretty funny.Anorak said:Amazing this fruitbat was once an actual ambassador.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1045387791985790977
People were having a go at Aaronovitch for publicly sneering, rightly imo.
https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/10453997674786856970 -
I heard about him welshing on the referendum result but not that Mayoral announcement.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Gin, there was a comment about Khan breaking ranks and calling for a second referendum shortly after he was named as Labour's candidate for 2020, I think.
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There was a throwaway line int he Telegraph, haven't seen anything elseRichard_Nabavi said:
I hadn't seen that. What is he suggesting? A link would be much appreciated.rottenborough said:...
I have concerns about some of Javid's ideas though. Getting rid of the opt-out only pension saving scheme is just plain bonkers.0 -
I'm amazed that Mrs Merkel seems to be making the same basic mistake that Mrs Thatcher made, which is hanging on to office for too long. Her party's ratings rating are sinking at an alarming rate with all pollsters.0
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EDIT: Ok. I'm not doing this on purpose. Will restart my laptop. That is properly weird.0 -
Lord Howard's let the cat out of the bag - They're planning to let Theresa get Brexit over the line on 29th March, then push her off the cliff, sack Hammond and install new leadership who can present a positive post-Brexit vision and take on Jezza.John_M said:
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion.
Might not work but that's the plan, IMO.0 -
On topic: Alastair is right that 'Canada' is not some magic bullet, although I suppose it's just shorthand for a looser arrangement than the Chequers proposal. The problem is that a looser arrangement hits two massive problems: the Irish border issue remains and is probably more difficult, and the supply-chain problems for the car and aerospace industry would be extremely damaging. The second of these in particular is the main reason why the grown-ups in the Cabinet have been pushing against this.
It's interesting that Boris' 'alternative' proposals don't seem to be getting much traction. This is probably because they are a mixture of wishful thinking and a rephrasing of Chequers:
Instead, he said the UK should seek what he termed a “Super Canada” deal, which he said would involve UK and EU regulatory bodies ensuring conformity of goods with each other’s standards, as well as zero tariffs or quotas on imports and exports and investment in technological support for customs controls.
Either he means that we just accept EU standards (in which case what's the difference compared with Chequers?) or he means that the EU should recognise UK standards (in which case he's in cloud-cuckoo land).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/27/boris-johnson-tells-theresa-may-scrap-chequers-plan0 -
When she starts talking about herself in the third person we'll know she really is done for.AndyJS said:I'm amazed that Mrs Merkel seems to be making the same basic mistake that Mrs Thatcher made, which is hanging on to office for too long. Her party's ratings rating are sinking at an alarming rate with all pollsters.
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If they win can we moan that its not fair and refuse to let them take charge?AlastairMeeks said:
Evidently Labour have seen how a mad reactionary fantasy was successfully sold to the public and concluded that rather than fight that it's easier to follow the same path. In a sense you can't blame them.JohnRussell said:
Labour seem to be taking the Remainers caricature of Brexit (we'll turn back the clock and make everything here) and selling it to Hovis eating Northern pit folk
We are to be back in the mid 70s. Labour being taken over by the hard left, and a defeated Europhile Tory leader having to go... Thatcher describes the Labour party's troubles in the 70's here, she might as well be talking about 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO44vzTLa7g0 -
An actual Rockwell.Roger said:
Norman Rockwell or a very good impersonator?DayTripper said:
Salzburg0 -
It will be interesting to see how the Bavaria and Hesse state elections play out next month. I suspect there will be very little good news for the CSU, CDU and SPD respectively in either election with the Greens set to advance in Bavaria and AfD (among others) showing well in Hesse.AndyJS said:I'm amazed that Mrs Merkel seems to be making the same basic mistake that Mrs Thatcher made, which is hanging on to office for too long. Her party's ratings rating are sinking at an alarming rate with all pollsters.
In Hesse, the last poll I saw shows both the CDU and SPD down five points with the AfD polling 11%.
In Bavaria the CSU are down from 48% to 35% and the SPD down from 21% to 13% which is remarkable. The Greens are up eight points and the AfD are on 12% so the CSU will lose its majority in the Landtag with the Greens as the official opposition.0 -
Lol, I was admiring the effort you put into that!Anorak said:.DUT yb hcnup eht ot netaeB .deteleD
EDIT: Ok. I'm not doing this on purpose. Will restart my laptop. That is properly weird.0 -
Worth reading IMO:
"The economic rationalists don’t get the immigration debate
Their case for migration is removed from the lived experience of people"
https://unherd.com/2018/09/economic-rationalists-dont-get-immigration-debate/0 -
You don't fatten a pig on market day.GIN1138 said:
Lord Howard's let the cat out of the bag - They're planning to let Theresa get Brexit over the line on 29th March, then push her off the cliff, sack Hammond and install new leadership who can present a positive post-Brexit vision and take on Jezza.John_M said:
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion.
Might not work but that's the plan, IMO.0 -
It's been my plan since day oneJohn_M said:
You don't fatten a pig on market day.GIN1138 said:
Lord Howard's let the cat out of the bag - They're planning to let Theresa get Brexit over the line on 29th March, then push her off the cliff, sack Hammond and install new leadership who can present a positive post-Brexit vision and take on Jezza.John_M said:
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion.
Might not work but that's the plan, IMO.0 -
Now only 9% between the five parties behind CDU/CSU.AndyJS said:"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
Germany, Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 28% (-2)
SPD-S&D: 17% (-3)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 17% (+1)
AfD-EFDD: 16% (+1)
LINKE-LEFT: 10%
FDP-ALDE: 8% (+1)
Field work: 25/09/18 – 27/09/18
Sample size: 1,260"0 -
No real surprise once Bailey got the endorsement of the Evening Standard and George Osborne.Scott_P said:
This is no cakewalk for Sadiq Khan - he ought to win and probably will win given Labour's strength in the capital but Bailey might be the only Conservative capable of getting enough second preference votes from Greens, Lib Dems and others to make a fight of it.
The local elections this year cemented Labour's hold in its heartlands (and oddly enough Conservative and LD hold in theirs as well) and Bailey has to struggle with Boris's appalling record on the sale of Police stations and the fall in Police numbers.
The Crossrail delay will be an embarrassment for Khan and especially if it is delayed well into 2020 though the mistakes were probably not made on his watch but that's how politics works. The housing issue is where Khan does look vulnerable - for all the construction going on, many Londoners are asking what is being built and for whom and how much of it is for those struggling to get out of rental accommodation and into freehold property ownership?0 -
He went bust on the property business did he not? Ran out of other peoples money.Foxy said:
Yes, he has matured over the last decades, turning from rabble rousing Trot to property spiv. Surely something that Tories approve ofDura_Ace said:I quite like Degsy. His unabashed venality is quite refreshing. He'd be a great Home Secretary.
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Well if they change leaders next Spring that still gives them a maximum of three years before the next election (two if things are looking good in 2021)John_M said:
You don't fatten a pig on market day.GIN1138 said:
Lord Howard's let the cat out of the bag - They're planning to let Theresa get Brexit over the line on 29th March, then push her off the cliff, sack Hammond and install new leadership who can present a positive post-Brexit vision and take on Jezza.John_M said:
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion.
Might not work but that's the plan, IMO.0 -
Indeed, Rockwell included himself in the scene, the older guy sitting on the woman's left.DayTripper said:
An actual Rockwell.Roger said:
Norman Rockwell or a very good impersonator?DayTripper said:
Salzburg
In Britain there would presumably be a majority verdict rather than a holdout.0 -
The perils of capitalist free enterprise...FrancisUrquhart said:
He went bust on the property business did he not? Ran out of other peoples money.Foxy said:
Yes, he has matured over the last decades, turning from rabble rousing Trot to property spiv. Surely something that Tories approve ofDura_Ace said:I quite like Degsy. His unabashed venality is quite refreshing. He'd be a great Home Secretary.
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Indeed a couple of years is a long time in politics. But there'll always be a reason not to push May out, next it will be lets get through the transition and by then its too late. It has to be next year or never.GIN1138 said:
Well if they change leaders next Spring that still gives them a maximum of three years before the next election (two if things are looking good in 2021)John_M said:
You don't fatten a pig on market day.GIN1138 said:
Lord Howard's let the cat out of the bag - They're planning to let Theresa get Brexit over the line on 29th March, then push her off the cliff, sack Hammond and install new leadership who can present a positive post-Brexit vision and take on Jezza.John_M said:
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion.
Might not work but that's the plan, IMO.0 -
Corbyn & Co. motivate Conservative-inclined voters.John_M said:
I disagree that the Tory problem is Brexit. When was the last time we heard anyone - even the much vaunted Gove - make an inspiring, visionary speech about how the Conservatives will build a 21st century UK? Of course, there are platitudes a-plenty, but they are cross-party, don't you think? 'We will make Britain a better, fairer, more prosperous country' could be dribbled out by any rosette wearing donkey.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion. Sure, the polls are level pegging, but the base (and I'm part of her base) are just not enthused in the same way Labour supporters are. I suspect they are going to struggle to GOTV on election day.0 -
As I said in the post, bar my flirtation with Blair in '97/'01, I'm a lifelong Tory voter (since '79). That's not quite the same as being a Tory. I'm not frightened by Corbyn and his rabble, or at least, not frightened enough to vote for the Tories again. They're like the Major government, just knackered and intellectually bankrupt from being in power too long.Sean_F said:
Corbyn & Co. motivate Conservative-inclined voters.John_M said:
I disagree that the Tory problem is Brexit. When was the last time we heard anyone - even the much vaunted Gove - make an inspiring, visionary speech about how the Conservatives will build a 21st century UK? Of course, there are platitudes a-plenty, but they are cross-party, don't you think? 'We will make Britain a better, fairer, more prosperous country' could be dribbled out by any rosette wearing donkey.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Brexit is taking all the bandwidth. It is imperative that TM paints a post Brexit vision next Wednesdayrottenborough said:
Nelson isn't really Telegraph though. He is speccie editor.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Telegraph (Boris own mouthpiece) has a go at Hammond. Nothing newrottenborough said:Fraser Nelson: Cabinet in a "vegetative state".
Labour running with all the ideas.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/27/theresa-may-needs-sack-philip-hammond-install-new-cabinet-radicals/
Anyway he is right, the Tories look like they have run out of ideas and are heading for defeat if they don't stop fighting each other and face the Labour party.
Hammond is a dull accountant and has no political acumen. He does need replacing but likely to happen if and when TM goes. Javid/ Gove is my dream team
The lurking horror for May and her Merry Men is that she thinks the country is too scared of a Corbyn government to vote it in. My view is that she' s wrong. The Tories are sleepwalking to oblivion. Sure, the polls are level pegging, but the base (and I'm part of her base) are just not enthused in the same way Labour supporters are. I suspect they are going to struggle to GOTV on election day.0 -
It was in a list of ideas he laid out in Cabinet (or one of the brexit sub-committees) in a ten minute speech on what they should be doing. Most of it was the usual get rid of red tape etc etc.TheWhiteRabbit said:
There was a throwaway line int he Telegraph, haven't seen anything elseRichard_Nabavi said:
I hadn't seen that. What is he suggesting? A link would be much appreciated.rottenborough said:...
I have concerns about some of Javid's ideas though. Getting rid of the opt-out only pension saving scheme is just plain bonkers.0
