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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Not an unqualified success.....nor was bachelor Heath.....
    Reagan was a divorcee and certainly was, Heath was probably gay or at least bisexual leaning towards men
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233
    Sandpit said:

    It’s clearly full of metropolitan types who have never come across anything so horrible as a dead mouse before. Get a piece of card, slide it under the box, lift the whole thing up and put it in the bin outside.
    Or don't be a softcock and just pick the fucking thing up. When we all went Catch-22 at the end of the Basra triumph dead rodents were a source of much humour. In an attempt to stem the biblical plague at the airport they were poisoned in great numbers so great mirth could be obtained by putting one in your oppo's boot while he slept.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    No way. Howard was toxic at that time, and Widdecombe would have torpedoed him.
    The Derek Lewis affair was well after Major would have gone because of Currie
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    I am not sure whether you are just blinkered by your hatred of anyone pro-EU, but your analysis is way out. Ken Clarke had a huge following then in the PCP. Michael Howard was no-where near
    Evidence? Clarke would have got mainly the same MPs backing him who backed Heseltine in 1990 when Heseltine lost to Major
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,972
    Yorkcity said:

    I agree , do not think it has any relevance for Boris to become PM.

    Still think he is the Conservatives best candidate as a campaigner.

    I always thought the Darius Guppy affair , was more damaging.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/darius-boris-and-a-blast-from-the-past-1658043.html

    However never seemed to do any real harm to him , as London Mayor.
    The reported comment of his daughter calling him a 'selfish bastard' is perhaps damaging, too.
  • HYUFD said:

    It was for Romney 2012 or Dole 1996 or Mondale 1984 in terms of candidates selected against incumbent Presidents
    But wrong on many many other occasions.
  • No, the UK just has to concede on the single market and the customs union...

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1038026956149796866?s=21
    Good on yer Barnier. The Leaver headbangers need to be reminded that the modern EU is essentially a Thatcherite construct, which is why Corbyn hates it so much.

    The single market was largely her brainchild and the denationalisations that took place across Europe and the liberalisation of markets that followed and the integration of Eastern Europe into the EU were things that would not have happened without British membership and Mrs Thatcher's leadership. To paraphrase Bob Hoskins in The Long Good Friday "UKIP? ha, I've shit 'em"
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    Nigelb said:

    The reported comment of his daughter calling him a 'selfish bastard' is perhaps damaging, too.</blockquote

    My apologies, not read that.
    Yes that is not great.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    I thinks it’s more that HYUFD sees both the past and the future through the prism of the present. Things were different then, just as they will be different in the future.
    If things were different then Heseltine would have won the Tory leadership in 1990 and Clarke the Tory leadership in 1997
  • HYUFD said:

    Evidence? Clarke would have got mainly the same MPs backing him who backed Heseltine in 1990 when Heseltine lost to Major
    Clarke was a more substantial figure then than Heseltine was in 1990.
  • Roger said:



    Suprising how much bullshit is written about the Middle East. Lebanon which doesn't recognise Israel (wants to drive them into the sea PB speak)... is full of Jews.

    Lebanon is the most religiously diverse country in the Middle East.[178] As of 2014 the CIA World Factbook estimates the following: Muslim 54% (27% Sunni Islam, 27% Shia Islam), Christian 40.5% (includes 21% Maronite Catholic, 8% Greek Orthodox, 5% Melkite Catholic, 1% Protestant, 5.5% other Christian), Druze 5.6%, very small numbers of Jews, Baha'is, Buddhists, Hindus and Mormons.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Well that could be true. I suppose the one advantage of Boris is that he doesn't really believe in Brexit because although he looks stupid he isn't, and also he has the other advantage of not looking like an unfortunate love child from a union between Heinrich Himmler and Walter the Softy
    If Boris goes you get Mogg, who really does believe in hard Brexit above all else
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,504

    Clarke was a more substantial figure then than Heseltine was in 1990.
    Physically, if not metaphorically.
  • HYUFD said:

    Evidence? Clarke would have got mainly the same MPs backing him who backed Heseltine in 1990 when Heseltine lost to Major
    Sources my dear chap. Trust me, you are talking out of your bottom.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Clarke was a more substantial figure then than Heseltine was in 1990.
    Yet he stil lost in 1997 and most MPs in marginal seats in 1997 were Thatcherites of some form
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Sources my dear chap. Trust me, you are talking out of your bottom.
    No I am not. Clarke was ideologically almost identical to Heseltine and would have got the same MPs backing him
  • HYUFD said:

    If Boris goes you get Mogg, who really does believe in hard Brexit above all else
    I think once again you are showing your "shit tinted spectacles" naïvety. Mogg would not be able to carry the Parliamentary Party and he knows it. Boris would struggle too. It is not going to happen, sorry to spoil your nationalistic wet dream.
  • HYUFD said:

    Yet he stil lost in 1997 and most MPs in marginal seats in 1997 were Thatcherites of some form
    Yes but they weren’t electing a PM in 97. Clarke was also a Thatcherite of some form.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,767
    The ego has landed

    Irish expecting fun with Trump.
    Coveney also being very conciliatory on lots of issues - including Trump Brexit and Karen Bradley

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/donald-trumps-visit-to-ireland-will-definitely-be-controversial-simon-coveney-37292760.html
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Dura_Ace said:

    Or don't be a softcock and just pick the fucking thing up. When we all went Catch-22 at the end of the Basra triumph dead rodents were a source of much humour. In an attempt to stem the biblical plague at the airport they were poisoned in great numbers so great mirth could be obtained by putting one in your oppo's boot while he slept.
    LOL. I’m sure a large pile of military war zone humour would go down really well at the BBC :D
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    British Jews leave the country every year but this will only be headline news under Corbyn, and it will be headline news.
    *because they no longer feel welcome*
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    I think once again you are showing your "shit tinted spectacles" naïvety. Mogg would not be able to carry the Parliamentary Party and he knows it. Boris would struggle too. It is not going to happen, sorry to spoil your nationalistic wet dream.
    The ERG have enough to get a candidate into the final 2 with MPs even of not to win with MPs as the Right did with IDS, Davis and Leadsom.

    It is very unlikely Tory Remainers can engineer a Javid v Hunt final 2 which is the only way to stop Boris or Mogg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    Yes but they weren’t electing a PM in 97. Clarke was also a Thatcherite of some form.
    It was being very pro EU that distinguished Clarke and Heseltine from Thatcher certainly in her final years and after
  • HYUFD said:

    The ERG have enough to get a candidate into the final 2 with MPs even of not to win with MPs as the Right did with IDS, Davis and Leadsom.

    It is very unlikely Tory Remainers can engineer a Javid v Hunt final 2 which is the only way to stop Boris or Mogg
    Mogg will stop himself. He is not popular in parliament. Boris will split the party. There are still quite a lot of members who are bright enough to realise that
  • Being unfaithful is one thing. Another is: unfaithful with whom, and under what circumstances?
  • better get some lunch...bye everyone
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,767
    Blair's not exactly raising the morale of those moderates fighting for Labour's soul
  • It seems almost worth setting up a new centrist party just to see Twitter break.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1038034698897973250
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Hmm. Well quite. I'm always suspicious of the "someone says someone said" story. Indirect sourcing wasn't allowed until recently.

    Stephen Kinnock said that Michel Barnier said it was dead in the water...

    As I have said to you before, I think Barnier and May get on pretty well and will do a deal between them. Everything – and everyone – else is just noise.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    edited September 2018

    Mogg will stop himself. He is not popular in parliament. Boris will split the party. There are still quite a lot of members who are bright enough to realise that
    Mogg will likely stand if Boris does not, not out of ambition but to ensure hard Brexit is delivered which he cares about above all else. Though Priti Patel might stand if Boris drops out in which case Mogg could back her and she probably wins as a result.

    Boris and Mogg combined have more support in the latest ConHome Tory members poll than all the other candidates put together
  • glwglw Posts: 10,309
    HYUFD said:

    Boris and Mogg combined have more support in the latest ConHome Tory members poll than all the other candidates put together

    If I wanted to win a general election I'd probably do the exact opposite of whatever ConHome Tory members want.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    HYUFD said:

    Mogg will likely stand if Boris does not, not out of ambition but to ensure hard Brexit is delivered which he cares about above all else. Though Priti Patel might stand if Boris drops out in which case Mogg could back her and she probably wins as a result.

    Boris and Mogg combined have more support in the latest ConHome Tory members poll than all the other candidates put together
    Alternatively I suppose MPs could pick David Davis by coronation as he opposed Chequers and is just about acceptable to members
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  • HYUFD said:

    Mogg will likely stand if Boris does not, not out of ambition but to ensure hard Brexit is delivered which he cares about above all else. Though Priti Patel might stand if Boris drops out in which case Mogg could back her and she probably wins as a result.

    Boris and Mogg combined have more support in the latest ConHome Tory members poll than all the other candidates put together
    That would be my ideal result. Nothing to do with having a couple of quid on at c 50/1 obvs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    glw said:

    If I wanted to win a general election I'd probably do the exact opposite of whatever ConHome Tory members want.
    ConHome Tory members voted for Cameron in 2005 in their poll then and members in the leadershop election and who won the 2015 general election and most seats in 2010
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586

    That would be my ideal result. Nothing to do with having a couple of quid on at c 50/1 obvs.
    She is an excellent outside bet
  • HYUFD said:

    Reagan was a divorcee and certainly was
    Reagan had been married to Nancy for nearly 30 years when he became President....

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    HYUFD said:



    Mogg will likely stand if Boris does not, not out of ambition but to ensure hard Brexit is delivered which he cares about above all else. Though Priti Patel might stand if Boris drops out in which case Mogg could back her and she probably wins as a result.

    Boris and Mogg combined have more support in the latest ConHome Tory members poll than all the other candidates put together

    I'm no authority on Mogg, but I read him as essentially like Corbyn in that he's not very ambitious personally but is very keen on certain issues being effectively promoted. So I think your conclusions are right - he will stand if he thinks he's the most effective candidate for Moggism.
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