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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    First?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,354
    Sandpit said:

    First?

    If only I hadn't read the header before posting!
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Ruth Davidson is about as different from Alec Douglas Home as it's possible to imagine!

    She would be a fantastic choice for leader, but the logistical hurdles are considerable, even if she does want the job.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,354
    On topic: When your best player is playing for your feeder club, you know relegation beckons.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Many people in the tory party woild fit that catagory.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    SandyRentool said:

    On topic: When your best player is playing for your feeder club, you know relegation beckons.

    Maybe a player on loan who has found excellent form?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    The die was cast for Crossrail when some sycophantic monarchist quarterwit decided to rebrand it the 'Elizabeth Line'. It's all been downhill from there.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    I like Ruth
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2018
    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1035304041532809217
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,764
    edited August 2018
    Would the membership vote for her over a crazy person? I mean, I know in theory the MPs can stitch things up to keep a crazy person off the ballot, but right now the parliamentary party seems too fractious to accomplish the stitch-up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    'Ruth Davidson is a very effective media performer'

    https://twitter.com/RuthDav16384736/status/1035406566961360896
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    Not sure if Mr Dancer is around but good news

    Mercedes-Benz will be the title sponsor of the 2019 German GP. Suzuka gets a new three-year deal with F1, keeping it on the calendar through 2021.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2018
    On topic, I would agree Davidson probably looks like the best of a bad bunch for the Tories' next leader. Let's face it, presentation and charisma is half the battle for a politician these days, and she and Boris are the only Tory politicians who are clearly better than May in the presentational stakes (whenever people say the likes of Hunt or Gove will wow the public with their charm, I always wonder what they've been smoking).

    Whether she'd actually be any good at running the country is another question altogether.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Ruth Davidson is about as different from Alec Douglas Home as it's possible to imagine!

    She would be a fantastic choice for leader, but the logistical hurdles are considerable, even if she does want the job.

    Both married a woman. Both Scottish. Both Conservatives. Both took over following a period where Britain's position on the world stage was... changed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.

    Lol. Well, under my breath anyway.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,439
    Labour needs to change. Frank Field’s resignation letter tells us how

    Unaddressed antisemitism and our toxic culture has divided this great party. We must find a solution – without splitting

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/31/labour-frank-field-resignation-antisemitism-toxic-culture-party
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,764
    rcs1000 said:

    Both married a woman.

    This is the best website on the internet
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Theuniondivvie said:

    'Ruth Davidson is a very effective media performer'

    https://twitter.com/RuthDav16384736/status/1035406566961360896

    She doesn't know what day it is!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.

    I reckon she'd challenge Corbyn to regular televised debates whilst she was in the other place.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Theuniondivvie said:

    'Ruth Davidson is a very effective media performer'

    https://twitter.com/RuthDav16384736/status/1035406566961360896

    I'm far from convinced that's her Twitter. Try this one:
    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,439
    When will people learn...blue check mark....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.

    I reckon she'd challenge Corbyn to regular televised debates whilst she was in the other place.
    Homophobia!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,439
    https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1035432968326717440?s=21
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Danny565 said:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1035304041532809217

    #imavictimtoo
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    edited August 2018
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1035432968326717440?s=21

    Good will settle the party or person debate decisively IMO
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    Thats the problem every leader has when leading a broad church.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    It’s her pragmatism, interest in good government, and patriotism that place her in the Conservative Party.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    edited August 2018
    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Casino_Royale said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    It’s her pragmatism, interest in good government, and patriotism that place her in the Conservative Party.
    She is quite a darling of the activist base.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    Of course, her offence to you is that she’s an obstacle to Scottish independence.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,310
    Theuniondivvie said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.

    Lol. Well, under my breath anyway.
    Just L then.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    edmundintokyo said:

    Would the membership vote for her over a crazy person? I mean, I know in theory the MPs can stitch things up to keep a crazy person off the ballot, but right now the parliamentary party seems too fractious to accomplish the stitch-up.

    Yes. Ideological “soundness” isn’t as much of a factor amongst the membership as you might think.

    They also love a winner, better still one that brickbats the opposition, and does it with a wry sense of humour. Her achievements in holding the Union together will also count.

    So, I wouldn’t rule it out.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Danny565 said:

    https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1035304041532809217

    Jones is getting the wrong message from this. If he thinks the abuse people on the left gets, then he should feel equally when it occurs against the right. Or even one leftist faction against another.

    And sadly, Jones' own comments often don't show tolerance and understanding of other peoples' perspective. And in fact, can help breed such comments.

    But that's kind-of his job.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,388
    It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.

    I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.

    It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    Of course, her offence to you is that she’s an obstacle to Scottish independence.
    Thanks for sparing time from your no doubt very busy schedule to Yoonsplain what I'm offended by.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,200
    Davidson would probably be the Tories best bet to succeed May if she gets to the Commons, if not that remains Boris.

    However if May gets a Deal she could remain leader for some time to come
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Ruth won't lay a glove on Jezza at PMQs if she is in the wrong House.

    Lol. Well, under my breath anyway.
    Just L then.
    LUMB I guess.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,627
    edited August 2018
    Get yourself a peerage, get elected leader, renounce your Peerage (presumably this would happen before a by-election), win a by-election. A convoluted set of circumstances to say the least.
    What happens in the interregnum when she is neither Peer nor MP? Can she be leader and PM as a member of neither House?
    Would it be accepted or acceptable to be a completely unelected PM ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    Of course, her offence to you is that she’s an obstacle to Scottish independence.
    Thanks for sparing time from your no doubt very busy schedule to Yoonsplain what I'm offended by.
    My pleasure.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    HYUFD said:

    Davidson would probably be the Tories best bet to succeed May if she gets to the Commons, if not that remains Boris.

    However if May gets a Deal she could remain leader for some time to come

    Ruth Official For Leader (ROFL)

    Can I join
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Casino_Royale said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    Of course, her offence to you is that she’s an obstacle to Scottish independence.
    If she ducked off to London and left Murdo Fraser in charge Scotland would be independent within the week.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    Group B of the Europa League is fascinating.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    notme said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    It’s her pragmatism, interest in good government, and patriotism that place her in the Conservative Party.
    She is quite a darling of the activist base.
    Would she be a darling g once she had to deliver on her contradictory promises?

    Depending on her audience she's either in favour of the softest possible Brexit or she's in favour of diamond hard Brexit let's go to war to recover our fish.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,088
    CD13 said:

    It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.

    I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.

    It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.

    Suspect he would attract a lot of the 8,000 conservative votes
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    https://twitter.com/d4nf0x/status/1035288037205438472
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Theuniondivvie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
    Yeah, you got it wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,200
    edited August 2018
    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
    Yeah, you got it wrong.
    Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,844
    edmundintokyo said:

    Would the membership vote for her over a crazy person? I mean, I know in theory the MPs can stitch things up to keep a crazy person off the ballot, but right now the parliamentary party seems too fractious to accomplish the stitch-up.

    I can't see Jezza joining the Tories.....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979

    Labour 33,558 76.9%
    Conservative 8,044 8.4%
    Liberal Dem. 1,118 2.6%
    Green 943 1.8%

    Good luck with the By Election Frank

    Oh your not calling one

    Surprise Surprise
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    Alistair said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
    Yeah, you got it wrong.
    Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
    JJ thinks he's a very clever lad, that involves never getting anything wrong.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,844
    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,525
    YouGov have Conservative 39%, Labour 37%, Lib Dem 10%, UKP 5%, taken on Tuesday and Wednesday.

    May leads as 35% to 23% as best PM.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,791
    notme said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Many people in the tory party woild fit that catagory.
    All those new members will soon get rid of all of them...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    YouGov

    Con 39 (-1) Lab 37 (nc) LD (+1) 10 UKIP 5 (-1)

    Fieldwork Tues/Wed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-37-28-29-/?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=vi_2829_august_2018
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
    Orkney?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,844
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    YouGov

    Con 39 (-1) Lab 37 (nc) LD (+1) 10 UKIP 5 (-1)

    Fieldwork Tues/Wed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-37-28-29-/?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=vi_2829_august_2018

    noise....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,209
    Jennings can bowl?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited August 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    Reports are slightly confusing around whether the commission is thinking of permanent summer time or permanent standard (winter) time. But if the main problem is the change, then either would solve that problem. According to the BBC, Juncker said summer time but EU reports favoured standard time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    CD13 said:

    It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.

    I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.

    It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.

    Suspect he would attract a lot of the 8,000 conservative votes
    He would need all 8000 plus 13000 Labour defectors to win,


    You are in dreamland Big G

    Birkenhead is deep OHHHHHHH JEEEERRRRREMY COOOORRRRBBBYN territory.

    What manifesto will Frank have voting with the Tories on BREXIT

    With UKIP on Immigration


    and with JHB on Musllim matters
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,791
    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
    Scottish children going to school in the dark.

    Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    You'll all be delighted to know I've got 3 (three) Scottish themed threads coming up in the next week.

    You'll be delighted to know I'll annoy every Scot across those three pieces, I think there's a danger I might patronise the Scottish Nats to within an inch of their lives.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    CD13 said:

    It would be interesting if Frank Field goes for a by-election.

    I admit that I would vote for him, even if I'm no longer a labour Loyalist. He represents what Labour used to be and I suspect he'd have good support in Birkenhead.

    It would be a tricky election for Labour. Who would they select? A shouty student Corbynite, or a Mrs Rochester candidate? it was a narrow Leave victory there too.

    Suspect he would attract a lot of the 8,000 conservative votes
    Best thing the Tories and LDs can do is stand aside, they have no chance of winning the seat but every chance to seriously embarrass Labour.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    YouGov

    Con 39 (-1) Lab 37 (nc) LD (+1) 10 UKIP 5 (-1)

    Fieldwork Tues/Wed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-37-28-29-/?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=vi_2829_august_2018

    Next one will show the Fields hit for LAB,!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    tlg86 said:

    Jennings can bowl?

    As well as he can bat.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She is Queen of Dog Shit Politics north of the border but her very limited range is going to be exposed in Westminster. She's also insufficiently enthused by the folly of Brexit for the Jambon Jihadis of the tory membership.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,791
    On topic, Scotland has had a more than generous shot at supplying a UK Prime Minister already.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    HYUFD said:

    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html

    Yep, a close trading relationship while still allowed to make our own deals elsewhere, and without the political bollocks.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    bigjohnowls said:


    Labour 33,558 76.9%
    Conservative 8,044 8.4%
    Liberal Dem. 1,118 2.6%
    Green 943 1.8%

    Good luck with the By Election Frank

    Oh your not calling one

    Surprise Surprise

    Field will look stupidly and cowardly if he fails to call one now. If he wasn't 100% sure he was going to call one, he ought not have floated the idea.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,791
    Dura_Ace said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She is Queen of Dog Shit Politics north of the border but her very limited range is going to be exposed in Westminster. She's also insufficiently enthused by the folly of Brexit for the Jambon Jihadis of the tory membership.
    So just maybe she's the one to tell those Tories who think that the ship can cleave right through the iceberg that maybe steering to port is the better option?
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Casino_Royale said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    It’s her pragmatism, interest in good government, and patriotism that place her in the Conservative Party.
    But these are very far from being the characteristics of Mrs May`s Conservative Government. If these are Davidson`s main characteristics, then she is indeed in the wrong party.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    HYUFD said:

    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html


    Given the majority of the public know the cube root of sod all about what each of those options entails I would gently advise you to ignore such surveys.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Lets hope so. Alec Douglas-Home lost.


    (I think she is more likely Ted Heath)

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    tlg86 said:

    Jennings can bowl?

    Well he isn’t in the team for his batting, is he?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited August 2018
    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html


    Given the majority of the public know the cube root of sod all about what each of those options entails I would gently advise you to ignore such surveys.
    'But Canada is lovely. I don't like Norway - too cold. I don't know what Chequers is, but it sounds complicated, and who needs that? Customs Union is what my Grandad fought in the war to prevent.'
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,764
    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
    Idiocy
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    bigjohnowls said:

    ...
    What manifesto will Frank have voting with the Tories on BREXIT

    With UKIP on Immigration...

    Yes, and with Labour on welfare and the NHS, and his own man on decency and integrity.

    Should be a winning combination.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,200
    Anazina said:

    HYUFD said:

    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html


    Given the majority of the public know the cube root of sod all about what each of those options entails I would gently advise you to ignore such surveys.
    They know they want to regain sovereignty and reduce immigration and they know they also want some sort of trade deal with the EU, so Canada it is
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    You'll all be delighted to know I've got 3 (three) Scottish themed threads coming up in the next week.

    You'll be delighted to know I'll annoy every Scot across those three pieces, I think there's a danger I might patronise the Scottish Nats to within an inch of their lives.

    One of them should be about this:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9476004/Scottish-universities-offer-places-to-fee-paying-foreigners-only.html

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/27/poor-scots-squeezed-out-of-university-by-snp-cap-on-places/

    The most astonishing act of life-chance-destroying apartheid against their own young, for the sake of a slogan - the sort of thing one used to think happened under Chairman Mao. This is the biggest scandal in UK politics today.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,094
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Jennings can bowl?

    Well he isn’t in the team for his batting, is he?
    England have got in 28 overs in the first session. That's just one below the over rate teams are supposed to bowl at !

    I think it's been a good morning for India personally.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,200
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    A Canada style FTA currently leads the Electoral Calculus poll of post Brexit options.

    A Canada type deal also came first in an ICM poll mentioned in the link

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/libleave_brexit_spectrum.html

    Yep, a close trading relationship while still allowed to make our own deals elsewhere, and without the political bollocks.
    Yes it makes sense
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    IanB2 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
    Scottish children going to school in the dark.

    Had the indyref gone the other way, we'd be on GMT+1 all year round by now.
    It may be the abrupt change of an hour that is responsible for the supposedly adverse effects of GMT. Suddenly drivers used to daylight for the last several months are driving home in the dark with no time to adjust. The BBC says that EU research found no proof that DST reduces accidents or saves energy.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Alistair said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
    Yeah, you got it wrong.
    Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
    JJ thinks he's a very clever lad, that involves never getting anything wrong.
    If you actually read my comment, you would see that I said: "(And yes, I've done the same in the past...)"

    Hence I admitted in that very post that I sometimes get things wrong.

    Yet when you're caught out getting something wrong - or worse - knowingly misrepresenting something, you get rather insulty.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    edited August 2018
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    ...
    What manifesto will Frank have voting with the Tories on BREXIT

    With UKIP on Immigration...

    Yes, and with Labour on welfare and the NHS, and his own man on decency and integrity.

    Should be a winning combination.
    Doesn't add up though. You can't spend a lot of money on Brexit AND the NHS, which will be properly staffed - but all the foreign staff will be sent back home.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dura_Ace said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She is Queen of Dog Shit Politics north of the border but her very limited range is going to be exposed in Westminster. She's also insufficiently enthused by the folly of Brexit for the Jambon Jihadis of the tory membership.
    You should see her in front of Aberdeen fishermen. You'll not see a more enthusiastic Hard Brexiter than her in that situation.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,984
    Alistair said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Anazina said:

    It has never been clear to me what Tory principles Davidson holds dear. She always strikes me as a liberal social democrat, not a conservative.

    Her not inconsiderable trick is to manage to triangulate between Tories in general, right wing fruitcakes, loonies & closet racists (to the point of having them as elected members), and dewy eyed, progressive media types in London. I'm not sure that trick can be sustained while having to string together some coherent policies or bearing the responsibilities of government.
    She can, at least, hopefully work out what are the Twitter accounts of her political opponents, and which are spoof ones.

    It's quite a useful trick for politicians to have. Or people who comment on politics.

    (And yes, I've done the same in the past...)
    On what planet would anyone possibly think that was Ruth Davidson's twitter account, and that she'd be highlighting her own tendency to duck difficult questions? That's the fecking point you tumshie!
    Yeah, you got it wrong.
    Do you reallllly think that? Divvie was pointing out the much commented on tenancy for Davidson to disappear from the media when any tough questions are being asked.
    Yes, I do think he got it wrong. Besides, I'm unsure it is 'much commented on' aside by some silly Conservative-hating people north of the border.

    He got it wrong.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,318
    Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    YouGov

    Con 39 (-1) Lab 37 (nc) LD (+1) 10 UKIP 5 (-1)

    Fieldwork Tues/Wed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-37-28-29-/?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=vi_2829_august_2018

    What's the Scottish sub sample.

    This site should report naught but the Scottish subsample.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,844
    Ishmael_Z said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    EU contemplates adopting permanent summer time.

    It would have been worth staying in for that alone. Important not to underestimate how much practical nuts and bolts stuff like this, and free mobile roaming across the EU, affects the quality of life.

    And what stops Westminster deciding that adopting permanent summer time is right for the UK?
    Orkney?
    Yes, I forget they don't have electric lighting north of Hadrian's Wall....
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,979
    Sean_F said:

    YouGov have Conservative 39%, Labour 37%, Lib Dem 10%, UKP 5%, taken on Tuesday and Wednesday.

    May leads as 35% to 23% as best PM.

    Last GE was 48% to 18% at the start of the campaign.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    "You can renounce peerages these days".

    You can't renounce a life peerage (for that matter, you can only renounce a hereditary peerage within the first year after inheriting it). It is possible to resign from the House of Lords but does this make the person eligible to stand for the Commons? I didn't think it did (but stand to be corrected).

    If Davidson is to move to Westminster, it needs to be as an MP - which means awaiting a vacancy. Of course, the PM could give one of the sitting MPs a peerage and hope Davidson won the ensuing by-election but it's a risky strategy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,706
    Alistair said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    YouGov

    Con 39 (-1) Lab 37 (nc) LD (+1) 10 UKIP 5 (-1)

    Fieldwork Tues/Wed

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/08/31/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-37-28-29-/?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=vi_2829_august_2018

    What's the Scottish sub sample.

    This site should report naught but the Scottish subsample.
    SNP 34, Con 27, Lab 24, LD 8, UKIP 3, Greens 3
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    kinabalu said:

    Frank Field has for many years been every Conservative's absolute favourite Labour MP. I wonder who will assume that now vacant position? Contenders must (i) be white working class and (ii) be strongly in favour of Brexit and (iii) be a Conservative.

    I like Mike Gapes, though he's a Remainer. He's not afraid to call a spade a spade when he's being lambasted by Corbynites on Twitter.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Jonathan said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    ...
    What manifesto will Frank have voting with the Tories on BREXIT

    With UKIP on Immigration...

    Yes, and with Labour on welfare and the NHS, and his own man on decency and integrity.

    Should be a winning combination.
    Doesn't add up though. You can't spend a lot of money on Brexit AND the NHS, which will be properly staffed - but all the foreign staff will be sent back home.
    My dear boy, you surely don't think it matters whether it adds up?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,388
    I think Frank would win a by-election. I think Frank knows this, and I suspect the constituency body who pick their Labour candidate know this too.

    If they de-select Frank, he will probably go ahead with a by-election and they will lose the seat, and that is the reality they face.

    Basically, he's called their bluff. He holds the ace, and they have an idealistic two of clubs.
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