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So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.
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More Trumpian stuff....TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
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After that he stopped even pretending - Gandalf the White to take down Saruman of many colours, who championed some of the more oppressed races of Middle Earth? Subtle.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
I notice Jezza's apology uses the language of the classic non-apology...I apologise for hurt caused.0
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Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.0 -
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Never made it past the first book/movie I see, for shame.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
I once got into trouble for drafting an apology that began withFrancisUrquhart said:I notice Jezza's apology uses the language of the classic non-apology...I apologise for hurt caused.
'I'm ever so sorry that you're too stupid to understand nuance, I wish you had a vagina on your head so someone could f*** some sense into you'0 -
The problem is that nobody has come up with a rational and sensible package of measures that finds a middle way through continuing all that is great about globalisation while also listening to the concerns of those most affected by it. And this will only continue to expand as a problem with the rise of AI, China becoming the worlds most dominant power etc.viewcode said:
Sadly true. And the bad guys are winning...HYUFD said:We are increasingly in culture wars of nationalists and protectionists v free trading liberals in most of the West
The message is either "keep calm and carry on" or "back to the 70s, up the werkers socialism".0 -
Fair point. Read and watched both twice but must've nodded off at some pointkle4 said:
Never made it past the first book/movie I see, for shame.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded. 0 -
We've all been there.TheScreamingEagles said:
I once got into trouble for drafting an apology that began withFrancisUrquhart said:I notice Jezza's apology uses the language of the classic non-apology...I apologise for hurt caused.
'I'm ever so sorry that you're too stupid to understand nuance, I wish you had a vagina on your head so someone could f*** some sense into you'
http://www.basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2007/2/25/how-to-apologize-without-accepting-any-blame.html0 -
Just look under most tweets by Sajid Javid.The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.
On one hand you've got the FreeTommy brigade blasting Muslim Sajid for putting Tommy in a halal prison (yeah, wtf is a halal prison) and on the other hand you've got enough left leaning people calling him an uncle Tom/coconut for the hostile environment.0 -
Centralist liberalism, (and Remainerism), will not find its mojo again until it deals with the capture of wealth by a small elite.FrancisUrquhart said:
The problem is that nobody has come up with a rational and sensible package of measures that acts finds a middle way through continuing all that is great about globalisation while also listening to the concerns of those affected most effected by it. And this will only continue to expand as a problem with the rise of AI, China becoming the worlds most dominant power etc.viewcode said:
Sadly true. And the bad guys are winning...HYUFD said:We are increasingly in culture wars of nationalists and protectionists v free trading liberals in most of the West
The message is either "keep calm and carry on" or "back to the 70s, up the werkers socialism".
After 10 years or more of wage stagnation, people don’t believe the system is working for broader society any more.0 -
Once he started spouting his racist shite he then felt comfortable enough to wear his KKK tribute.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html0 -
Yes. fair point. I'm sorry for any offence caused by my colour error there.TheScreamingEagles said:
Once he started spouting his racist shite he then felt comfortable enough to wear his KKK tribute.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.
Edit: Now that you have destroyed my respect for Gandalf, please do not tell me anything I did not know about Atticus Finch.0 -
You missed the bit with the Daleks. It was greatBenpointer said:
Fair point. Read and watched both twice but must've nodded off at some pointkle4 said:
Never made it past the first book/movie I see, for shame.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
There are people out there like that, but do they represent the average Labour voter or member? I’m inclined to think not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just look under most tweets by Sajid Javid.The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.
On one hand you've got the FreeTommy brigade blasting Muslim Sajid for putting Tommy in a halal prison (yeah, wtf is a halal prison) and on the other hand you've got enough left leaning people calling him an uncle Tom/coconut for the hostile environment.0 -
Not to give credence to Robinson supporters, I would presume it's a prison which serves food which is halal - I recall the first episode of Porridge had Fletcher encouraging Godber to say he was of a faith other than CoE in order to get different, presumably better, food. I would have thought all our prisons were halal though, human rights issue.TheScreamingEagles said:
(yeah, wtf is a halal prison).The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.0 -
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.0 -
Yup the Daleks turned the battle of Pelennor Fields.viewcode said:
You missed the bit with the Daleks. It was greatBenpointer said:
Fair point. Read and watched both twice but must've nodded off at some pointkle4 said:
Never made it past the first book/movie I see, for shame.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
I certainly don't think so, and such talk would be dealt with much more quickly than much of the antisemitism stuff, but some number will go down that route at least. Of course, we know it will terrify or outrage some right wingers for very different reasons.The_Apocalypse said:
There are people out there like that, but do they represent the average Labour voter or member? I’m inclined to think not.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just look under most tweets by Sajid Javid.The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.
On one hand you've got the FreeTommy brigade blasting Muslim Sajid for putting Tommy in a halal prison (yeah, wtf is a halal prison) and on the other hand you've got enough left leaning people calling him an uncle Tom/coconut for the hostile environment.0 -
Ok, which PB profile is really Theresa May? Come on, we know it's one of you!FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html0 -
Must...resist...fist...of...ironyTheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.0 -
Wonder if Dave still pops in? Waves.Benpointer said:
Ok, which PB profile is really Theresa May? Come on, we know it's one of you!FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html0 -
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Well, along with the Eagles, obviously...TheScreamingEagles said:Yup the Daleks turned the battle of Pelennor Fields.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfQ7j7_CAAAbikE?format=jpg&name=largeTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Lloyd George ceased to be Chancellor in 1915 when he became Minister for Munitions - and had resigned from Asquith's government before being appointed his successor as PM in December 1916.stodge said:Afternoon all
First, Mr Eagles, apologies for daring to take you out of context yesterday evening. You did say the words "Tory gains" with reference to the 2019 local elections but I realise you were talking only about Conservatives gaining some of the 200 or so UKIP seats up for grabs as distinct from trying to defend the 5,500 Conservative seats.
On topic, you have to go back to Churchill in 1940 for a person becoming PM outside a GE who was not serving as CoE, HS or FS. Even in the inter-war period, I believe Chamberlain was CoE when taking over from Baldwin and Baldwin was CoE when he took over from Bonar Law (and I think he continued as CoE even after becoming PM). Lloyd George was Chancellor when taking over from Asquith so that leaves Bonar Law who took over in 1922 from Austen Chamberlain (as Conservative leader) and Lloyd George (as PM).
Replacing a PM in office is emphatically different from replacing a defeated PM after an election. I could see Boris emerging from the wreckage of a defeated Conservative Party to take over.
As for 1990, as is widely known (except by some it seems), the vote for Heseltine in the first ballot was to force Thatcher out and allow her Cabinet colleagues who were bound to support her to enter the fray (a similar tactic failed spectacularly in 1975 when Thatcher not only won the first ballot but got so much momentum she was able to defeat Whitelaw in the second ballot).
Heseltine knew once Thatcher had resigned his chances of becoming leader and PM were gone - the "establishment" rallied to Major rather than Hurd (and Major had the "blessing" of Margaret as well) and the rest is history.
Forcing May out via a No Confidence vote would allow senior Cabinet members such as Javid and Hunt to either stand against each other or agree a joint anti-Boris candidature. As an aside, would all this still mean a ballot of Party members or in practice would the defeated candidate withdraw and allow the leading candidate to become PM as soon as possible?0 -
That is brilliant.AlastairMeeks said:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfQ7j7_CAAAbikE?format=jpg&name=largeTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
Heaven forfend!TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you saying Scots are too wee, too stupid to understand what they were voting for in 2014?Theuniondivvie said:
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
That would mean going down the road of comparing 2014 No voters with 2016 Leave voters, and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.0 -
It makes my head hurt trying to work out how some voters voted No in 2014, SNP in 2015, and Tory in 2017.Theuniondivvie said:
Heaven forfend!TheScreamingEagles said:
Are you saying Scots are too wee, too stupid to understand what they were voting for in 2014?Theuniondivvie said:
I can't remember the benefits of being legislated over by CoE god botherers at the forefront of Bettertogether I's campaign, but I'll certainly look forward to highlighting it when Bettertogether II comes around.TheScreamingEagles said:
A position that was endorsed by the voters of Scotland in 2014.Theuniondivvie said:Tbf though, we lucky people have the official state religion of England setting our laws.
That would mean going down the road of comparing 2014 No voters with 2016 Leave voters, and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT.0 -
Depends what one defines as `great ministers of state`.
Some people might include defence or health.Williamson seems to be making enemies but Hancock 66/1 is going under the radar.
Penny Mordaunt 66/1 might be the next foreign secretary whilst Liz Truss 100/1 might be the next chancellor.Both given that are big odds
I`ve also had a bet on ex-education secretary Justine Greening at 200/1.She is establishing herself as the 2nd referendum candidate.Being well known for her passion for social mobility should get followers whilst Ruth Davidson shows being in a same sex marriage does not seem to harm ones popularity.
No Tory MP I`m aware of it has suggesting suspending Brexit .There are good arguments to do so and a Tory MP who tries to claim that space might build a support base for a leadership challenge.
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Gandalf the Grey suffered a near death and then returned with much more power as Gandalf the White. If you haven't read the books, a bit like Corbyn before and after the 2017 general election.Benpointer said:
?? Gandalf the Grey, shirley?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, Gandolf THE WHITE was him showing off his KKK support.RobD said:
So when Gandalf told the Balrog to go back to the shadow he was being a racist old duffer?kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/LukeEclair/status/1025864130849382400
twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
Edit - I am surprised that anyone genuinely says 'Go back to X' though, I assumed such talk was always coded.0 -
I'm staying on the right side of the law until we get organic Fairtrade prisons.kle4 said:
Not to give credence to Robinson supporters, I would presume it's a prison which serves food which is halal - I recall the first episode of Porridge had Fletcher encouraging Godber to say he was of a faith other than CoE in order to get different, presumably better, food. I would have thought all our prisons were halal though, human rights issue.TheScreamingEagles said:
(yeah, wtf is a halal prison).The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.0 -
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.0 -
Indeed.Freggles said:
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.
I'm still reeling from the time I was accused of writing/publishing clickbait.
I wouldn't know how too.0 -
begin trolling>TheScreamingEagles said:(yeah, wtf is a halal prison)
Um, is it where you need to slop out five times a day?
<end trolling
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"how too"?TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Freggles said:
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.
I'm still reeling from the time I was accused of writing/publishing clickbait.
I wouldn't know how too.
"how to" I think you mean!0 -
Anyhoo, I'll be doing an AV related thread next weekend as well.0
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Never correct an authority figure!Sunil_Prasannan said:
"how too"?TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Freggles said:
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.
I'm still reeling from the time I was accused of writing/publishing clickbait.
I wouldn't know how too.
"how to" I think you mean!0 -
Is it that the same AV rejected by the UK voters 68% to 32% in 2011?TheScreamingEagles said:Anyhoo, I'll be doing an AV related thread next weekend as well.
That AV?
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Would you put some names to these 'cowards and liars' who have emigrated ?matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
The only Leaver I know who has emigrated in the last two years is Robert Smithson.0 -
It was the fault of auto-correct.kle4 said:
Never correct an authority figure!Sunil_Prasannan said:
"how too"?TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Freggles said:
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.
I'm still reeling from the time I was accused of writing/publishing clickbait.
I wouldn't know how too.
"how to" I think you mean!0 -
auto-corruptTheScreamingEagles said:
It was the fault of auto-correct.kle4 said:
Never correct an authority figure!Sunil_Prasannan said:
"how too"?TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed.Freggles said:
Especially from authority figures!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hate people who troll online.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey,
England's most senior GP has resigned after he was caught trolling medics online using a fake profile.
Dr Arvind Madan, the director of primary care at NHS England, suggested family doctors are greedy and workshy in anonymous posts on a GP forum.
His posts on the Pulse magazine's website, under the name Devil's Advocate, prompted dozens of angry replies.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6028829/NHS-boss-RESIGNS-sparking-fury-using-fake-Devils-Advocate-profile-troll-GPs.html
I don't understand the mentality of winding up people online.
I'm still reeling from the time I was accused of writing/publishing clickbait.
I wouldn't know how too.
"how to" I think you mean!0 -
Or you could create your own religion in which consumption of such items was a requirement:SandyRentool said:
I'm staying on the right side of the law until we get organic Fairtrade prisons.kle4 said:
Not to give credence to Robinson supporters, I would presume it's a prison which serves food which is halal - I recall the first episode of Porridge had Fletcher encouraging Godber to say he was of a faith other than CoE in order to get different, presumably better, food. I would have thought all our prisons were halal though, human rights issue.TheScreamingEagles said:
(yeah, wtf is a halal prison).The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Social media shows the ugly side of many people across the political spectrum. See what that Tory MEP said about Remainers and treason, for another example.
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Shh, don't give the game away. If they don't think the left will hate having a another Tory woman PM, or hate having a Tory BAME PM or hate having the Tories legalise gay marriage they might end up picking old white men harking back to the past forever and unfortunately as they will be in power sometimes I'd rather have them 'spite the liberals' by being progressive now and again.The_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
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Dare I be the first to mention Corbyn in this context?TheJezziah said:
If they don't think the left will hate having a another Tory woman PM, or hate having a Tory BAME PM or hate having the Tories legalise gay marriage they might end up picking old white men harking back to the past foreverThe_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.0 -
Tenses.another_richard said:
Would you put some names to these 'cowards and liars' who have emigrated ?matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
The only Leaver I know who has emigrated in the last two years is Robert Smithson.
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So no actual names ?matt said:
Tenses.another_richard said:
Would you put some names to these 'cowards and liars' who have emigrated ?matt said:
Im just fed up with the lying and hand waving real problems away. Combined with the enthusasim to emigrate now they’ve spread their shit all over the county. Cowards and liars all.TheScreamingEagles said:
FWIW I’ve been involved in a WTO dispute. Regardless of right, any near resolution takes a very long time to arrive. The idea that people cannot game the WTO system is for credulous cretins.
The sort of people who think a 5% risk of huge trade disruption is worth taking on the basis of “it will be all right really”.
The only Leaver I know who has emigrated in the last two years is Robert Smithson.0 -
Aside from the part to do with homosexuality, where Corbyn was decades in front of the Tory party, it could work...ydoethur said:
Dare I be the first to mention Corbyn in this context?TheJezziah said:
If they don't think the left will hate having a another Tory woman PM, or hate having a Tory BAME PM or hate having the Tories legalise gay marriage they might end up picking old white men harking back to the past foreverThe_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Although from my point of view Corbyn is a breath of fresh air after the stale end to the New Labour years.0 -
His comments came as the plane-maker Bombardier said that stockpiling parts to mitigate the impact of a no-deal Brexit would cost its Belfast business up to £30m. Michael Ryan, the head of the firm’s Northern Ireland operation, said spending such a sum to store goods is “not how we can afford to run a business” and is “cash that I don’t have”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/05/theresa-may-confident-of-reaching-brexit-deal-sources-say0 -
Don't worry, his sentence will be truncated.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I'll take the admission!TheJezziah said:
Aside from the part to do with homosexuality, where Corbyn was decades in front of the Tory party, it could work...ydoethur said:
Dare I be the first to mention Corbyn in this context?TheJezziah said:
If they don't think the left will hate having a another Tory woman PM, or hate having a Tory BAME PM or hate having the Tories legalise gay marriage they might end up picking old white men harking back to the past foreverThe_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Although from my point of view Corbyn is a breath of fresh air after the stale end to the New Labour years.
Good night.0 -
My free/cheap court appointed / backalley lawyers will tear you to shreds!ydoethur said:
I'll take the admission!TheJezziah said:
Aside from the part to do with homosexuality, where Corbyn was decades in front of the Tory party, it could work...ydoethur said:
Dare I be the first to mention Corbyn in this context?TheJezziah said:
If they don't think the left will hate having a another Tory woman PM, or hate having a Tory BAME PM or hate having the Tories legalise gay marriage they might end up picking old white men harking back to the past foreverThe_Apocalypse said:
Would they? I know plenty of Labour supporters in real life and I never hear them say ‘my worse case scenario is Javid becoming PM because the Tories will have the first BAME PM.’ In fact it only seems to get mentioned with any great frequency on here.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of the reasons I'd love for Sajid Javid to be PM would be Labour would lose their collective poop.kle4 said:
I'll assume it to be a lone nutter, although let us not forget, only Labour can be trusted to unlock the potential of BAME people in the UK. Sorry Tories/LDs/UKIP/SNP/PC/Greens/etc - not only do you not have as much BAME support as Labour, you cannot even be trusted.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/869571607060070401?lang=en
They'd literally go coconuts over the Tories having the first BAME PM.
Although from my point of view Corbyn is a breath of fresh air after the stale end to the New Labour years.
Good night.
Goodnight.0 -
Labour have gone down the rabbit hole and emerged in early Soviet Russia circa 1920s.
These people are mad. I mean mad beyond any rational debate. They are so far into the Cult that they have lost all grasp of the reality.
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FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.0
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https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1026196367486722048rottenborough said:Labour have gone down the rabbit hole and emerged in early Soviet Russia circa 1920s.
These people are mad. I mean mad beyond any rational debate. They are so far into the Cult that they have lost all grasp of the reality.
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/10262078851042426890 -
Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.0 -
They must take the decision and resign the whip. Anything else is to surrender their integrityrottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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I think we have reached that point. The endless, 'we will stick around and see what happens/we can sit it out for ten years until the membership changes/it's my party' etc etc is wearing bloody thin frankly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They must take the decision and resign the whip. Anything else is to surrender their integrityrottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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If 12 -18 go it will turn into a landslide of leavers and a new Independent labour block in the HOCTheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.0 -
"He tusks me. He tusks me and I shall have him!"ydoethur said:
Don't worry, his sentence will be truncated.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Your 'giving members votes' sounds nice but will end up eating the party alive in a sea of cult madness, obsession with finding the only pure person who never compromises, accusing anyone who breaths of being a Blairite traitor, and destroy Labour.TheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
As an example of this insanity:
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/10262078851042426890 -
?????????Big_G_NorthWales said:
If 12 -18 go it will turn into a landslide of leavers and a new Independent labour block in the HOCTheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.0 -
After those have gone that is most of the noise, aside from them you have people who disagree on a few issues but wouldn't let that stop them getting a Labour government rather than a Conservative one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If 12 -18 go it will turn into a landslide of leavers and a new Independent labour block in the HOCTheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
A few stepped down at the last election, you'd probably have a few step down at the next election as well so there really won't be many who would want to leave and fight for their seat.
You also have the problem of are Kate Hoey and Frank Field for example (if deselected) going to fit into that group?
It is no good just saying Corbyn sceptic, they have to have a shared policy platform that is sufficiently different from Labour otherwise there is no point voting for them or defecting to them, aside from those who really don't like Corbyn, which is pretty much back to the original number. Some going could encourage others to go but there are too many contradictions and memories of the SDP to make it anything big.0 -
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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What has Tom Watson done to attract the ire of the Corbynite pitchforkers?0
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I believe labour are as near to a fracture now than at anytime since the SDPTheJezziah said:
After those have gone that is most of the noise, aside from them you have people who disagree on a few issues but wouldn't let that stop them getting a Labour government rather than a Conservative one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If 12 -18 go it will turn into a landslide of leavers and a new Independent labour block in the HOCTheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
A few stepped down at the last election, you'd probably have a few step down at the next election as well so there really won't be many who would want to leave and fight for their seat.
You also have the problem of are Kate Hoey and Frank Field for example (if deselected) going to fit into that group?
It is no good just saying Corbyn sceptic, they have to have a shared policy platform that is sufficiently different from Labour otherwise there is no point voting for them or defecting to them, aside from those who really don't like Corbyn, which is pretty much back to the original number. Some going could encourage others to go but there are too many contradictions and memories of the SDP to make it anything big.
The hate against Tom Watson is truely bewildering. Parts of labour have descended into the abyss0 -
It has gone. An insane virus has taken over.surby said:
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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Directly attacked the cult leader, one Jeremy CorbynRichard_Nabavi said:What has Tom Watson done to attract the ire of the Corbynite pitchforkers?
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There were people getting excited about it being a declaration of war from Watson, the members back the leader and the direction he is taking so will not like attempts to destabilise that.rottenborough said:
Your 'giving members votes' sounds nice but will end up eating the party alive in a sea of cult madness, obsession with finding the only pure person who never compromises, accusing anyone who breaths of being a Blairite traitor, and destroy Labour.TheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
As an example of this insanity:
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1026207885104242689
There is debate within the Labour party, for example the whole EU issue, people's vote etc. what Labour supporters are tired off after almost 3 years of it now is the pointless attacking of the leadership. That is why it would be healthier if those small number on the fringes did leave then we could have more debates about policy within the party rather than the constant Corbyn bashing which is probably just counter productive at this point...0 -
Said, in the Observer, that there are issues with anti-semitism and stuff needs to happen and grip made on the party about all this.Richard_Nabavi said:What has Tom Watson done to attract the ire of the Corbynite pitchforkers?
So, rational stuff.
Therefore, Anti-Cult crime of the highest order.
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Isn't this rump going be pro Remain ? So how does Field, Hoey etc. fit in ? Or, will it be dog's breakfast ?TheJezziah said:
After those have gone that is most of the noise, aside from them you have people who disagree on a few issues but wouldn't let that stop them getting a Labour government rather than a Conservative one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If 12 -18 go it will turn into a landslide of leavers and a new Independent labour block in the HOCTheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
A few stepped down at the last election, you'd probably have a few step down at the next election as well so there really won't be many who would want to leave and fight for their seat.
You also have the problem of are Kate Hoey and Frank Field for example (if deselected) going to fit into that group?
It is no good just saying Corbyn sceptic, they have to have a shared policy platform that is sufficiently different from Labour otherwise there is no point voting for them or defecting to them, aside from those who really don't like Corbyn, which is pretty much back to the original number. Some going could encourage others to go but there are too many contradictions and memories of the SDP to make it anything big.0 -
You may find August 2018 sees a major fracture in labour and Corbyn is to blame together with his inner circlesurby said:
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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You mean the majority has taken over ?rottenborough said:
It has gone. An insane virus has taken over.surby said:
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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What, are you saying that the majority of Labour members were always vile nutjobs?surby said:
You mean the majority has taken over ?rottenborough said:
It has gone. An insane virus has taken over.surby said:
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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The cult has taken over and are in the process of destroying laboursurby said:
You mean the majority has taken over ?rottenborough said:
It has gone. An insane virus has taken over.surby said:
It's ourparty and we stay IN.rottenborough said:FFS. Labour moderates need to organise and walk away.
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Utter bollx.TheJezziah said:
There were people getting excited about it being a declaration of war from Watson, the members back the leader and the direction he is taking so will not like attempts to destabilise that.rottenborough said:
Your 'giving members votes' sounds nice but will end up eating the party alive in a sea of cult madness, obsession with finding the only pure person who never compromises, accusing anyone who breaths of being a Blairite traitor, and destroy Labour.TheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
As an example of this insanity:
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1026207885104242689
There is debate within the Labour party, for example the whole EU issue, people's vote etc. what Labour supporters are tired off after almost 3 years of it now is the pointless attacking of the leadership. That is why it would be healthier if those small number on the fringes did leave then we could have more debates about policy within the party rather than the constant Corbyn bashing which is probably just counter productive at this point...
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It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.0
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And the result will be a fracture in the partyThe_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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I just read the Guardian article on Tom Watson's comments. What he said is very similar to what John McDonnell has been saying for a while. So presumably the ice-pick is on its way to him too.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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Insanity.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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If it took in Hoey and Field it would be more pro Brexit than Labour.surby said:
Isn't this rump going be pro Remain ? So how does Field, Hoey etc. fit in ? Or, will it be dog's breakfast ?TheJezziah said:
After those have gone that is most of the noise, aside from them you have people who disagree on a few issues but wouldn't let that stop them getting a Labour government rather than a Conservative one.Big_G_NorthWales said:TheJezziah said:
A few stepped down at the last election, you'd probably have a few step down at the next election as well so there really won't be many who would want to leave and fight for their seat.
You also have the problem of are Kate Hoey and Frank Field for example (if deselected) going to fit into that group?
It is no good just saying Corbyn sceptic, they have to have a shared policy platform that is sufficiently different from Labour otherwise there is no point voting for them or defecting to them, aside from those who really don't like Corbyn, which is pretty much back to the original number. Some going could encourage others to go but there are too many contradictions and memories of the SDP to make it anything big.
It is the problem with the Corbyn sceptic rebellion idea, the range of people and ideas don't give them any consistent platform.
I can't see Flint going and I think Chuka is unlikely as well but just for an example. What is the shared Brexit policy of Flint, Chuka and Hoey that doesn't end up somewhere near Labours current policy or in complete disagreement?
Even if you take Hoey out of there Cuka and Flint say different things. Brexit is just one issue, there are plenty of others that cut across that mean a Labour breakaway party would end up offering little different to the actual Labour party once they compromise or such a small ideologically pure group that it wouldn't attract many other MPs or voters.
There is a chance of a new party forming from some Labour some Tory and the Lib Dems but that would be ideologically removed enough from Labour MPs that again only a small number would join it.0 -
But the people who don't care that much for Corbyn aren't a "small number on the fringes". It wasn't that long ago that JC himself was the embodiment of the Labour fringe. Labour moderates have been exceedingly conciliatory, considering the fact that they, not unreasonably, don't think it's wise for the party to lurch too far to the left. And Corbyn has tried to hold the party together too. All the talk of deselection and expulsion comes from people who seem to have more in common with the politics of Soviet Russia than with those of Great Britain.TheJezziah said:
There were people getting excited about it being a declaration of war from Watson, the members back the leader and the direction he is taking so will not like attempts to destabilise that.rottenborough said:
Your 'giving members votes' sounds nice but will end up eating the party alive in a sea of cult madness, obsession with finding the only pure person who never compromises, accusing anyone who breaths of being a Blairite traitor, and destroy Labour.TheJezziah said:Stephen Bush has mentioned a few times a range of 12-18 (somewhere round that) who have been seriously thinking about it or are on the edge of leaving.
I think everyone would be a bit happier with the arrangement. Most of the regular people who are really unhappy with the leadership will have already left the party anyway so they could join back up with them if they wanted in a new party. The Labour party would then have less divisions and could concentrate on opposing the Tories rather than fighting each other.
We could then continue our Stalinesque policies of giving members votes and a say in internal Labour matters whilst they could have a much more people controlled party where those high up in the party make the decisions.
As an example of this insanity:
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1026207885104242689
There is debate within the Labour party, for example the whole EU issue, people's vote etc. what Labour supporters are tired off after almost 3 years of it now is the pointless attacking of the leadership. That is why it would be healthier if those small number on the fringes did leave then we could have more debates about policy within the party rather than the constant Corbyn bashing which is probably just counter productive at this point...0 -
It's well worth remembering that all hard-left movements, without any exception, end up fracturing into multiple warring factions (literally warring in some cases). This one will be the same, the only question is whether it will gain power before it destroys the Labour Party.0
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Yep. Eventually the revolution eats itself as history shows.Richard_Nabavi said:
I just read the Guardian article on Tom Watson's comments. What he said is very similar to what John McDonnell has been saying for a while. So presumably the ice-pick is on its way to him too.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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IanB2 recently posted research showing that 44% of pre 2010 members voted for Corbyn. We know that Corbyn won those who weren’t £3 supporters.0
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McDonnell’s comments, by both the commentariat and Corbynistas were, for whatever reasons, not seen as a declaration of war in the way Watson’s was.Richard_Nabavi said:
I just read the Guardian article on Tom Watson's comments. What he said is very similar to what John McDonnell has been saying for a while. So presumably the ice-pick is on its way to him too.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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No it is not bewildering, but it does show that devotion to the man is the primary motivation. Which also is not bewildering, given the sort doing it are often the sort who get angry at the admission of a problem even as Corbyn (in his own way admittedly) also says there is a problem.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
Any party should be wary when there is such devotion to a leader, never mind validity of any criticism, whether any criticism was all that direct or harsh, never mind consistency. It would be a very very rare leader, I would suggest, who would deserve that. I actually would like to think Corbyn would be humble enough to suggest he does not deserve such veneration.
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Well, McDonnell did follow up highlighting his many decades of working with his comrade - Watson is presumably finding that kowtowing and singing 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' only buys him so much leeway, given his very different history within the party.The_Apocalypse said:
McDonnell’s comments, by both the commentariat and Corbynistas were, for whatever reasons, not seen as a declaration of war in the way Watson’s was.Richard_Nabavi said:
I just read the Guardian article on Tom Watson's comments. What he said is very similar to what John McDonnell has been saying for a while. So presumably the ice-pick is on its way to him too.The_Apocalypse said:It’s not really bewildering that Corbynistas ‘hate’ Tom Watson. I agree with Watson’s intervention, but that was widely seen as an attempt to undermine Corbyn. Thus, it is obvious that Corbynistas will (as they always have been) be furiously angry at any attempt to undermine their leader.
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My money is on it being after. Circumstances are so chaotic and unusual, and the prize is so close they know if they hold together for just a little bit longer they have a good chance here. It prevents anything but grumbling - Corbyn's people will draw back from the brink of a confrontation. If they want people out, easing them out not forcing them seems to be the strategy.Richard_Nabavi said:It's well worth remembering that all hard-left movements, without any exception, end up fracturing into multiple warring factions (literally warring in some cases). This one will be the same, the only question is whether it will gain power before it destroys the Labour Party.
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