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Yes so take both at their word. Be prepared to do what the leavers said and if the risks turn out to be not there then they were right and if disaster happens the Remainers were right.TheScreamingEagles said:
No Leavers said anyone who warned about the economic risks of Brexit were peddling project fear.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then maybe in the referendum when Leavers were proposing we walk away and take back control maybe those who believe walking away would be a disaster should have said so?Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
Except they did and we chose to take back control anyway despite it apparently risking disaster.
In order to take back control we need to be prepared to walk away and risk disaster if need be. Otherwise we may as well tell the EU that we are their vassal and will do whatever they want.
If leavers were now saying don't prepare for No Deal then you'd have a point that they his risks but they're not0 -
Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/10162356388683325440 -
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Alistair said:
It is at time's like these that I am thankful we do not have the total chaos we would have had under Ed Miliband
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656
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I thought a lot of the opposition to that was the reduction to 600 seats which has now gone?TheScreamingEagles said:Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
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Theresa May’s new policy will prevail in the Conservative party’s internal battle over Britain’s future relationship with the EU. The main reason for this is that the UK’s prime minister is no longer working against the grain of logic, but very much with it.
https://www.ft.com/content/b6a5a89e-8303-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929
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Interesting they've commented on Baker's resignation before Davis's.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Can't be much longer before Boris is going to have to come out of hiding.
We've not heard a word from him in days and days.
Theresa might even have him tied up in the Downing St. basement... 0 -
Davis is a shit.RobD said:
I thought a lot of the opposition to that was the reduction to 600 seats which has now gone?TheScreamingEagles said:Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1016235638868332544
Even with the DUP on board it only takes a handful of Tory MPs to rebel0 -
"First you gave the Leavers their Referendum, and then you let them go and win it!"Alistair said:It is at time's like these that I am thankful we do not have the total chaos we would have had under Ed Miliband
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He's writing two articles.GIN1138 said:Can't be much longer before Boris is going to have to come out of hiding.
We've not heard a word from him in days and days.
Theresa might even have him tied up in the Downing St. basement...0 -
You need to be actually logged in to see the updates (I think).kjohnw said:Can anybody advise, I am having a problem with vanilla not updating comments it seems to be about an hour or two behind when its on my iphone, any ideas why?
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The mot exclusive PBers get to see comments before they are even made. Handy for those juicy betting tips.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You need to be actually logged in to see the updates (I think).kjohnw said:Can anybody advise, I am having a problem with vanilla not updating comments it seems to be about an hour or two behind when its on my iphone, any ideas why?
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The snp lost the support of business and ultimately lost their hopes of independence and with Brexit it is the same. Brexiters can blame who they want but they need to look at themselves. Boris summed up why a hard Brexit was never going to happen. There is an argument for a hard Brexit but it requires the government to turn around and say Fook the consumer. This has happened in Switzerland where my beef steak this weekend cost. £15 at the local supermarket or in Korea where only borrowing for heavy capital investment is allowed. No cheap car loans. Or in Ireland business is told forgot about paying taxes even when part of eu.
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I have iphone SE but when i try to login it does not let me says site is 'unsecure' ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You need to be actually logged in to see the updates (I think).kjohnw said:Can anybody advise, I am having a problem with vanilla not updating comments it seems to be about an hour or two behind when its on my iphone, any ideas why?
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Davis' departure makes no difference to the EU telling the Prime Minister to fuck off with her "take it or leave it" Cabinet-approved deal....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Even if you call it project fear or not - it was still stated before the vote, and actually I voted remain because it seemed to much of a economic risk. Let’s be honest a significant part of the economic analysis provided by remain has already been disproved. Whether you think a punishment budget etc was Project Fear or not I’ll leave it up to you.TheScreamingEagles said:
No Leavers said anyone who warned about the economic risks of Brexit were peddling project fear.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then maybe in the referendum when Leavers were proposing we walk away and take back control maybe those who believe walking away would be a disaster should have said so?Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
Except they did and we chose to take back control anyway despite it apparently risking disaster.
In order to take back control we need to be prepared to walk away and risk disaster if need be. Otherwise we may as well tell the EU that we are their vassal and will do whatever they want.0 -
It hasn't gone at all. The proposal to cancel the reduction to 600 seats was in the Afzal Khan private members bill, which the Gvt has disgracefully blocked from proceeding despite the Commons voting for it at 2nd reading (take back control huh?)RobD said:
I thought a lot of the opposition to that was the reduction to 600 seats which has now gone?TheScreamingEagles said:Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1016235638868332544
The final proposals to be sent to Gvt in September. I just wonder if they will pull a fast one, and move the proposals for England Wales and Scotland, and not NI (they can do this apparently) Would be sneaky but wouldn't put it past the Tories when desperate.0 -
Logic? Since when have the Tory Brexiteers been influenced by what is logical? Their stance is antithetical to logic.CarlottaVance said:Theresa May’s new policy will prevail in the Conservative party’s internal battle over Britain’s future relationship with the EU. The main reason for this is that the UK’s prime minister is no longer working against the grain of logic, but very much with it.
https://www.ft.com/content/b6a5a89e-8303-11e8-96dd-fa565ec559290 -
That is a problem that will only get worse. RCS needs to stop messing about making videos and turn pb into an https site. Browsers are becoming more and more sniffy about insecure ones, and the next release of Chrome will ratchet up the stakes even more.kjohnw said:
I have iphone SE but when i try to login it does not let me says site is 'unsecure' ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
You need to be actually logged in to see the updates (I think).kjohnw said:Can anybody advise, I am having a problem with vanilla not updating comments it seems to be about an hour or two behind when its on my iphone, any ideas why?
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Loving the Brexiteers now arguing whether the Chequers deal is Brexit or not.
And why they resigned, or didn't.0 -
The joys of filming in a public park!JosiasJessop said:
He's enjoying himself and doing no harm. Let him be.AlastairMeeks said:
Not the dancing leprechaun Brexiteer?FrancisUrquhart said:
Some guy with an absolutely massive "Brexit - It is worth it" sign on parliament green and then as soon as Sky start to interview somebody he runs up and waves around smaller versions of the same sign in the background. He looks a right odd one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at a tv at present - who is the weirdo among so manyFrancisUrquhart said:Here comes the weirdo again on sky.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/805831597417172992
His banner actually says: “Brexit: is it worth it?” and is draped in a Union flag with twelve stars on it, so I’d say he’s more likely to be a mad Remainer than a mad Brexiteer.0 -
Me? Are you kidding? I was with you all the time! That was beautiful! Did you see the way the Leavers fell into our trap? Ha Ha!TheScreamingEagles said:
No Leavers said anyone who warned about the economic risks of Brexit were peddling project fear.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then maybe in the referendum when Leavers were proposing we walk away and take back control maybe those who believe walking away would be a disaster should have said so?Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
Except they did and we chose to take back control anyway despite it apparently risking disaster.
In order to take back control we need to be prepared to walk away and risk disaster if need be. Otherwise we may as well tell the EU that we are their vassal and will do whatever they want.0 -
600 Seats hasn’t gone, is still going to be the proposal brought forward in the autumn.RobD said:
I thought a lot of the opposition to that was the reduction to 600 seats which has now gone?TheScreamingEagles said:Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
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Yeah, anyone who voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2017 must be pretty embarrassed right about now.MaxPB said:
It would be today, but how much of a disaster would it be if the government had spent the last two and a bit years planning for it, investing in customs infrastructure, subsidising industry to help lengthen supply chains, getting the existing EU-Third country deals rolled over? Instead we've done no planning, the trade secretary has been too busy kissing Don's arse and industry has no fucking clue as to what the fallback position is and can't plan anything.Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
TBH only either Labour or a stronger Tory government can see Brexit through.0 -
This, of course, is the massive flaw in the whole thing. The "leave" coalition was free to peddle *every* form of the argument, however contradictory. The "remain" coalition had no concrete "alternatives" to peddle (having burned their options *before* the referendum with the damp squib renegotiation).TheScreamingEagles said:
No Leavers said anyone who warned about the economic risks of Brexit were peddling project fear.Philip_Thompson said:
Well then maybe in the referendum when Leavers were proposing we walk away and take back control maybe those who believe walking away would be a disaster should have said so?Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
Except they did and we chose to take back control anyway despite it apparently risking disaster.
In order to take back control we need to be prepared to walk away and risk disaster if need be. Otherwise we may as well tell the EU that we are their vassal and will do whatever they want.
So yes - Project Fear on the one hand, and Take Back Control Whatever The Cost on the other. Contradictory. Impossible to reconcile. And the basis on which we are leaving.0 -
Labour????? The majority of their MPs want to cancel BrexitFreggles said:
Yeah, anyone who voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2017 must be pretty embarrassed right about now.MaxPB said:
It would be today, but how much of a disaster would it be if the government had spent the last two and a bit years planning for it, investing in customs infrastructure, subsidising industry to help lengthen supply chains, getting the existing EU-Third country deals rolled over? Instead we've done no planning, the trade secretary has been too busy kissing Don's arse and industry has no fucking clue as to what the fallback position is and can't plan anything.Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a much simpler explanation: the consequences of walking away would be utterly disastrous.Philip_Thompson said:
She's petrified and doesn't believe in it. In which case she should never have ran at the time.Richard_Nabavi said:
Why do you think that is, I wonder?Philip_Thompson said:
... She's not prepared to walk away....Pulpstar said:If Barnier rejects the plan then May has to walk away.
If you're not prepared to walk away cleanly you will never get a good negotiation.
It's exactly the same as that to have a good peace you must be prepared to fight, to get a good negotiation you must be prepared to walk away. Barnier is prepared to, May is not, so May has zero power or influence.
TBH only either Labour or a stronger Tory government can see Brexit through.0 -
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Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
Tories have lost their knack of eviscerating their leaders...rottenborough said:
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People's Vote petition hits 200,0000
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I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I wouldn't overly worry, someone had fed Beth the line Lidington was going to be Brexit Sec when I was getting dressed this morning.GIN1138 said:0 -
So Cameron was first with the Strong and Stable (or vice versa) slogan.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"First you gave the Leavers their Referendum, and then you let them go and win it!"Alistair said:It is at time's like these that I am thankful we do not have the total chaos we would have had under Ed Miliband
https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/595112367358406656
To be fair, things probably would have been quieter under Miliband.0 -
A second referendum is surely inevitable now. This can't go on.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
Only 17 million to go.rottenborough said:People's Vote petition hits 200,000
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Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
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It's a damn shame the Referendum voting form didn't spell out in some small print at the bottom what 'Leave' vote meant e.g. exit EU, SM, CU.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
Oh, but it can. For years.williamglenn said:
A second referendum is surely inevitable now. This can't go on.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
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Haven't some of the most heated exchanges on here been between Brexiters who have argued with each other over what any particular preferred flavour of Brexit actually means.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
I was referring to the leprechaun.Sandpit said:
The joys of filming in a public park!JosiasJessop said:
He's enjoying himself and doing no harm. Let him be.AlastairMeeks said:
Not the dancing leprechaun Brexiteer?FrancisUrquhart said:
Some guy with an absolutely massive "Brexit - It is worth it" sign on parliament green and then as soon as Sky start to interview somebody he runs up and waves around smaller versions of the same sign in the background. He looks a right odd one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at a tv at present - who is the weirdo among so manyFrancisUrquhart said:Here comes the weirdo again on sky.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/805831597417172992
His banner actually says: “Brexit: is it worth it?” and is draped in a Union flag with twelve stars on it, so I’d say he’s more likely to be a mad Remainer than a mad Brexiteer.
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Get the L out !MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Even as May's deal is denounced for being "not Brexit" some of the original EFTA/EEA lot are still arguing that it was only project fear from the Remain campaign that said Brexit meant leaving the single market.TOPPING said:
Haven't some of the most heated exchanges on here been between Brexiters who have argued with each other over what any particular preferred flavour of Brexit actually means.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?0 -
Definitely has the feel of The Last Days of Something Collapsing.....williamglenn said:0 -
What's his wedding got to do with anything ?TOPPING said:
Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
You see Mrs May as a 'Brexiteer'?anothernick said:
Logic? Since when have the Tory Brexiteers been influenced by what is logical? Their stance is antithetical to logic.CarlottaVance said:Theresa May’s new policy will prevail in the Conservative party’s internal battle over Britain’s future relationship with the EU. The main reason for this is that the UK’s prime minister is no longer working against the grain of logic, but very much with it.
https://www.ft.com/content/b6a5a89e-8303-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929
It's a view.....0 -
2 Brexiteers on DP. Both of them claim the British public knew what they voted for.
One says they are delivering it
One says they are being betrayed0 -
There’s now I think four Remain protestors annoying the hell out of Adam Boulton on College Green. They’re waving EU flags and wearing hats that say “Stop Brexit” as well as the aforementioned signs. Rather amusing if you’re not a Sky News producer, democracy’s fun sometimes!JosiasJessop said:
I was referring to the leprechaun.Sandpit said:
The joys of filming in a public park!JosiasJessop said:
He's enjoying himself and doing no harm. Let him be.AlastairMeeks said:
Not the dancing leprechaun Brexiteer?FrancisUrquhart said:
Some guy with an absolutely massive "Brexit - It is worth it" sign on parliament green and then as soon as Sky start to interview somebody he runs up and waves around smaller versions of the same sign in the background. He looks a right odd one.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at a tv at present - who is the weirdo among so manyFrancisUrquhart said:Here comes the weirdo again on sky.
https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/805831597417172992
His banner actually says: “Brexit: is it worth it?” and is draped in a Union flag with twelve stars on it, so I’d say he’s more likely to be a mad Remainer than a mad Brexiteer.0 -
Leadsome and Boris should both walk (as it appears their jobs are both up for grabs as far as Number 10 is concerned)williamglenn said:
Terrible party management from Theresa May again.0 -
I can buy in to all that. He would most certainly have my vote on this. Feminists are fighting a battle that was won decades ago all they are doing now is recreating systems to benefit girls in a society they are not disadvantaged.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Whose fault is that though? The referendum was set up so Vote Leave could tempt us with undeliverable and contradictory nonsense - enough to win the vote but not enough to implement anything afterwards. Once we pulled the A50 trigger we were always heading somewhere here.rottenborough said:
It's a damn shame the Referendum voting form didn't spell out in some small print at the bottom what 'Leave' vote meant e.g. exit EU, SM, CU.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?
I'm one of many who initially accepted the vote, but it then dawned on me quite how clueless those in charge were and their mouths had got leaps ahead of their ability to deliver. I'd still be delighted if we could find a way out - I just wonder if June 2016 will soon feel like a long time ago.0 -
Championing a potentially misogynist sentiment in advance of your own wedding (assuming he is marrying a woman) is I don't think well-judged.Pulpstar said:
What's his wedding got to do with anything ?TOPPING said:
Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's if it's true. Maybe Davis is just trying to big himself up.GIN1138 said:
Leadsome and Boris should both walk (as it appears their jobs are both up for grabs as far as Number 10 is concerned)williamglenn said:
Terrible party management from Theresa May again.0 -
It is certainly a lot closer than it was this time yesterday.williamglenn said:
A second referendum is surely inevitable now. This can't go on.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?
It is clear that
* leavers have no agreed definition of what "Brexit" means in practice;
* the current government will not be able to come up with a Brexit deal that can gain the support of the Tory Party or Parliament.
So it's either a cliff edge Brexit or a collapse of the entire process. Which could well result in a new referendum.0 -
And Leadsom claiming preferential treatment for EU migrants over people from the rest of the world would definitely end and it was a red line for her - with Laura K pointing out that was not Mrs May's position when she was interviewed by her at the weekend.Scott_P said:2 Brexiteers on DP. Both of them claim the British public knew what they voted for.
One says they are delivering it
One says they are being betrayed
Laura K also informed Leadsom that Davis had been offered her job by No 10 to keep him in the government. What a mess.
I did think Steve Baker was rather dignified even though he was obviously upset.
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EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/10162755097124904960 -
Time to extend A50 that's for sure.anothernick said:
It is certainly a lot closer than it was this time yesterday.williamglenn said:
A second referendum is surely inevitable now. This can't go on.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?
It is clear that
* leavers have no agreed definition of what "Brexit" means in practice;
* the current government will not be able to come up with a Brexit deal that can gain the support of the Tory Party or Parliament.
So it's either a cliff edge Brexit or a collapse of the entire process. Which could well result in a new referendum.0 -
I said it wouldn't end well...TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa's been taking the piss. Not just at her Brexiteer colleagues but at the 17.4m who voted Brexit who they are in the Cabinet to represent.0 -
Don't worry, I think my soon to be wife agrees with my sentiments. She's no fan of modern feminists either, plus she's Swiss so to her our Conservatives are pretty tame.TOPPING said:
Championing a potentially misogynist sentiment in advance of your own wedding (assuming he is marrying a woman) is I don't think well-judged.Pulpstar said:
What's his wedding got to do with anything ?TOPPING said:
Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Does what he said really constitute misogyny?TOPPING said:
Championing a potentially misogynist sentiment in advance of your own wedding (assuming he is marrying a woman) is I don't think well-judged.Pulpstar said:
What's his wedding got to do with anything ?TOPPING said:
Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
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Well it did make running through a wheatfield look positively grown up.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
my local council made a big fuss about how it was banning plastic use where it can to save the seas. But its the f**king collection and recycling authority. There are no circumstances in which the stuff that it collects, shreds and either burns or buries is going to end up in the sea. Total virtue signalling shi*e.FrancisUrquhart said:While we are f##king about banning plastic straws....
On-the-ground investigation finds use of banned CFC-11 is rife in China’s plastic foam industry
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/09/mysterious-source-of-illegal-ozone-killing-emissions-revealed-say-investigators0 -
Then there is the more subtle sexism. Men caused the banking crisis. Men earn more because they are more assertive in pay negotiations. One FT commentator recently complained that: ‘High-flying women are programmed to go for high-flying men. Most men aren’t attracted to women who are more successful than they are.’ Can you imagine the outrage if such trite generalisations were made about women, or other minorities? Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots.RobD said:
Does what he said really constitute misogyny?TOPPING said:
Championing a potentially misogynist sentiment in advance of your own wedding (assuming he is marrying a woman) is I don't think well-judged.Pulpstar said:
What's his wedding got to do with anything ?TOPPING said:
Max not a good look especially in advance of your wedding.MaxPB said:
I like him even more now, Raab4Leader!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/10162755097124904960 -
Lords? House of Unelected Has-Beens, you meandavid_herdson said:
I like how she advocates "restoring faith in the democratic process" by:CarlottaVance said:Joining Lord Adonis in the 'Driven Bonkers by Brexit' - a strong contender in:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLatest/status/1016252131832139776
- Appointing someone to the legislature;
- That person being the former leader of a party which won less than 2% at the last election;
- Allowing that person to run in a Party leadership (which is against the Party's rules, which states that only MPs can run).
That said, given his influence on British politics, Farage should have a peerage (though he'd then have to choose between sitting in the Lords or the EP, so he might have already been offered one and turned it down). Brexiteers are woefully under-represented in the Lords. 0 -
So what. Bored of silly petitions - probably with loads of signatures again from the Vatican City, Turks and Caicos and Vanuatu.rottenborough said:People's Vote petition hits 200,000
I don't see any circumstance where Corbyn and May will want to go back for another go.0 -
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded.0 -
Ageism rife in the polling "industry", I seewilliamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496 0 -
That's appalling. Didn't the Clarkson one get millions? I think the people's vote would be better off without oddballs like Grayling and Adonis leading them.rottenborough said:People's Vote petition hits 200,000
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Tony Blair is in favour of a "People's Vote"Brom said:
That's appalling. Didn't the Clarkson one get millions? I think the people's vote would be better off without oddballs like Grayling and Adonis leading them.rottenborough said:People's Vote petition hits 200,000
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The choice of Raab as Brexit Secretary is an interesting one. A Leaver like Davis May is clearly making a sop to Brexiteers while as a former corporate lawyer with a law degree from Oxford and a Master's degree from Cambridge he should be an intellectual match for Barnier0
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/09/rats-leaving-sinking-ship-brussels-predicts-flight-brexiteers/
Representatives for the remaining 27-member states admitted that Mr Davis had been frozen out of the negotiations long ago in favour of Theresa May’s top Brexit civil servant Oliver Robbins and that his departure would make little practical difference to the talks.
"Davis' resignation will be framed as not taking responsibility for a soft Brexit but looks more like not taking responsibility at all,” one EU diplomat said, “It is starting to look like the flight of the Brexiteers.”
“They landed your country in a mess and now they’re leaving for higher ground. Rats and sinking ships...that age old tale," the diplomat added.
Hard to take responsibility once you've been frozen out....0 -
What's significant is the trend and the fact that the UK is following the same trend. People increasingly value the EU and don't want to give it up.RobD said:
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded.0 -
It is 45 to 55 year olds though who decide elections and referendawilliamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/10162755097124904960 -
Or is it a reversion to trend after the Eurozone crisis?williamglenn said:
What's significant is the trend and the fact that the UK is following the same trend. People increasingly value the EU and don't want to give it up.RobD said:
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded.0 -
Never Gonna Give EU Up?williamglenn said:
What's significant is the trend and the fact that the UK is following the same trend. People increasingly value the EU and don't want to give it up.RobD said:
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded. 0 -
The picture at the top of this thread makes Davis look like Rowley Birkin QC0
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He has some good ones from his leadership campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:The picture at the top of this thread makes Davis look like Rowley Birkin QC
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Unless Raab has demanded Robbins is sacked from the negotiations before he took the job then it is essentially a non-job.HYUFD said:The choice of Raab as Brexit Secretary is an interesting one. A Leaver like Davis May is clearly making a sop to Brexiteers while as a former corporate lawyer with a law degree from Oxford and a Master's degree from Cambridge he should be an intellectual match for Barnier
But it could well be a spring-board to being in pole position to replace Theresa whenever the Tories pull the plug on her.0 -
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1016095321187848194?s=21Pulpstar said:
He has some good ones from his leadership campaign.TheScreamingEagles said:The picture at the top of this thread makes Davis look like Rowley Birkin QC
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Yes, but bonkers long before Brexit.Barnesian said:
Melanie Philips is even nuttier than I thought she was! Funny.CarlottaVance said:Joining Lord Adonis in the 'Driven Bonkers by Brexit' - a strong contender in:
https://twitter.com/MelanieLatest/status/10162521318321397760 -
If it is, it's reflected in the UK as well, even as we're supposedly heading for the sunlit uplands of Brexit.RobD said:
Or is it a reversion to trend after the Eurozone crisis?williamglenn said:
What's significant is the trend and the fact that the UK is following the same trend. People increasingly value the EU and don't want to give it up.RobD said:
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded.
It should be abundantly clear that there is no future in Brexit. All we can do is look for a way to exit from it with dignity.0 -
I have reluctantly accepted that we are heading for a full fudge brexit, and can only hope that TM doesn't give the EU any more concessions (though I fully expect she will) , but at least we have managed to avoid getting sucked into a full political integration of Europe which is clearly heading for one president, one anthem, one flag, one army, one currency, ECJ, tax harmonisation, - one undemocratic superstate. we have at least escaped the worst of the EU, and when it all goes tits up, we will be on the outside - thankfully0
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May would not be able to get that through her Party. And if she tried to do it with opposition votes the government would collapse. I think I am right in saying that extending article 50 requires primary legislation in the UK and unanimity in the EU - neither of which will be easy.rottenborough said:
Time to extend A50 that's for sure.anothernick said:
It is certainly a lot closer than it was this time yesterday.williamglenn said:
A second referendum is surely inevitable now. This can't go on.Scott_P said:Andrea Leadsom on DP
"The British public knew exactly what they were voting for"
This isn't Brexit
"I don't agree"
If Brexiteers can't agree if this is Brexit or not, how the fuck can they claim we knew what we were voting for?
It is clear that
* leavers have no agreed definition of what "Brexit" means in practice;
* the current government will not be able to come up with a Brexit deal that can gain the support of the Tory Party or Parliament.
So it's either a cliff edge Brexit or a collapse of the entire process. Which could well result in a new referendum.0 -
Reduce the number of Unelected Has-Beens NOT the number of elected MPsSandpit said:
600 Seats hasn’t gone, is still going to be the proposal brought forward in the autumn.RobD said:
I thought a lot of the opposition to that was the reduction to 600 seats which has now gone?TheScreamingEagles said:Always kept on telling you David Davis is a copper bottomed shit.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1016235638868332544 0 -
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Isn’t the record something like 2m for the one demanding an EU referendum, or the one simply asking Gordon Brown to resign.?Brom said:
That's appalling. Didn't the Clarkson one get millions? I think the people's vote would be better off without oddballs like Grayling and Adonis leading them.rottenborough said:People's Vote petition hits 200,000
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Steve Baker calling for Theresa May to stay? That tells you all you need to know about the numbers of the true faithful.0
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Looking at the barometer results PDF, the net 'positive' view of the EU was higher back in the mid 2000s, suffering a dip around 2010, and is now slowly recovering.williamglenn said:
If it is, it's reflected in the UK as well, even as we're supposedly heading for the sunlit uplands of Brexit.RobD said:
Or is it a reversion to trend after the Eurozone crisis?williamglenn said:
What's significant is the trend and the fact that the UK is following the same trend. People increasingly value the EU and don't want to give it up.RobD said:
Then the graphic doesn't agree with the text.williamglenn said:
Note the age group.RobD said:
63% Remain in the UK? That's totally out of line with pollsters here.williamglenn said:EU support rising among 16-26 year olds in every country.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1016275509712490496
Edit: Oh, I'm dumb... it's after DK excluded.
It should be abundantly clear that there is no future in Brexit. All we can do is look for a way to exit from it with dignity.
http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/Survey/getSurveyDetail/instruments/STANDARD/surveyKy/21800 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
The picture at the top of this thread makes Davis look like Rowley Birkin QC
So can we now expect Raab C. Brexit?HYUFD said:The choice of Raab as Brexit Secretary is an interesting one. A Leaver like Davis May is clearly making a sop to Brexiteers while as a former corporate lawyer with a law degree from Oxford and a Master's degree from Cambridge he should be an intellectual match for Barnier
(My coat awaits)0
