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Go Boris!

Sack him and do the job herself.

rpjs said:

FPT:

So she sacks him then?

I guess that will be the real test. If she does, the EU might believe her that this is the best the UK will offer, but if not, then they'll be going for full FOM, CJEU oversight etc.

And they'll get it.

The Times story says he called it a turd at Chequers, but backed down and still supported the statement. So not sackworthy.

I cannot quite figure out whether he has leaked it to try and cover his arse later by at least suggesting he saw it was a bad idea, or if May and co have leaked it to damn him yet further, in that it wasn't just that he backed the deal, he initially didn't and backed down like a coward.

In defence of Boris he said before the collective responsibility rules were restored.

More interestingly the Sunday Times says shagger Boris has been told he has 48 hours to resign or he can kiss his leadership ambitions goodbye

Also ten more letters to be sent to be Sir Graham Brady.

Didn’t this predate the showdown?

Who leaked it? Cui bono?

TheScreamingEagles said:

In defence of Boris he said before the collective responsibility rules were restored.

How fortunate for him that they were ever not in place, which we only knew as of yesterday.

AlastairMeeks said:

Didn’t this predate the showdown?

It was AT the showdown!

Surely Boris has to go.

What if Brussels turns down Theresa's brexit plan ? Time to pick sides my remain friends ?

On reflection given that Boris apparently did back down, it feels like this might be his opponents leaking his comments on this in an attempt to force him out now that they are told collective discipline is back in vogue. Or at least tie him down, watching to see what his response to the report is, how careful he is, to see if he crosses the line.

FPT

Theuniondivvie said:

If England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

Well the official line is that we'll still maintain our boycott of Russia, that includes politicos and Royals, including the Duke of Cambridge.

Fpt, if England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

Perhaps a job(by) for the turd polisher.

Sandpit said:

BBC presenters’ annual salary report to be published on... Wednesday.
As Jo Cox once said, a good day to bury bad news....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/07/bbc-stars-say-broadcaster-humiliating-plans-publish-salaries/

Jo Moore, not Jo Cox.

Theuniondivvie said:

Fpt, if England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

Perhaps a job(by) for the turd polisher.

None officially because of the Salisbury poisonings

Tykejohnno said:

What if Brussels turns down Theresa's brexit plan ? Time to pick sides my remain friends ?

Neither, Because the Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework won't be worth the paper it will be printed on. The same applies to any EU "agreement" to the UK position of course, which is why they should agree. (And, edit, the same also applies to the UK position itself)

FPT:

FF43 said:

Some reflections on the Chequers statement:

1. It is a conjurer's sleight of hand. Theresa May gets people to focus on the future relationship while the critical manoeuvre is the Withdrawal Agreement. The Withdrawal Agreement is a hard treaty arrangement. If we don't follow through we can be hauled in front the Court of Settlements in the Hague, whereas the "Political Declaration on the Future Relationship Framework" that the Chequers statement links to is every bit as vague as it sounds.

2. The Future Relationship Framework declaration can therefore be as fudged as we like. It's never going to be the treaty but negotiators might refer to it in post-Brexit negotiations if they feel like it.

3. Chequers tells us the government will sign the Northern Ireland backstop so the WA goes ahead. The government will hope the FRF will give cover and credibility to their claim the NI backstop will never be used.

4. The EU should welcome Chequers in its normal bland Eurospeak as a basis of of a FRF subject to blahblah if it moves the WA forward, which is what really matters. EU people are usually tactful when they are getting their way but Barnier is a bit of a loose cannon and the sheer number of parties involved increases the possibility of a row blowing up.

5. Brexiteers have weakened their position by not devising a credible alternative plan for Brexit that people can rally around. As a Remoaner I can see why they didn't. Nevertheless it's a problem for them.

6. No-one is thinking strategically: neither the Govt, the EU nor Brexiteers. The focus is entirely on staggering through to March 29 next year.

7. Theresa May is stretching the truth on her red lines. So "The UK and the EU would maintain a common rulebook" actually means the UK doing whatever is in the EU rulebook. The CJEU wouldn't rule on UK cases because it never has done, even when the UK was a member - a common misconception.

Theuniondivvie said:

Fpt, if England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

Perhaps a job(by) for the turd polisher.

https://twitter.com/davecohencomedy/status/1015700871504592899?s=21

https://twitter.com/mrchrisaddison/status/1015707355894439936

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

Sandpit said:

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

Sounds a bit like the dilemma I had when Mrs May scheduled a general election on my girlfriend's birthday.

It's gonna cost you (both in money and emotional blackmail) if you put something ahead of your partner's birthday.

Theresa, just sack the c*nt.

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

Stark_Dawning said:

Theresa, just sack the c*nt.

Tory mp's just sack Theresa

Sandpit said:

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

Rather depends on whether or not Mrs Sandpit reads PB, doesn't it?

Sandpit said:

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

Take your lovely wife to the nice meal, ignore the football match, and stop complaining... Wives are more important than football.

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1015711613175959557

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

I was campaigning in Enfield Southgate this morning and I had a man tell me 'I will not vote Tory again while that woman is in charge after she betrayed the referendum result.'

OK so it was only one man and most people wanted to talk about local issues or the NHS but Leavers who don't like this deal REALLY don't like this deal

TheScreamingEagles said:

How does one apply for a Victoria Cross because I deserve one for today.

I wore a morning suit, replete with double breasted waistcoat in 29 degree temperature, you can't get more heroic than that.

It's about being heroic in the face of the enemy though - who was the enemy you faced?

I think the George Cross is more realistic - it was bloody sweltering out there today, and very clammy too. I'm at the cricket tomorrow, I hope it is not as bad.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How does one apply for a Victoria Cross because I deserve one for today.

I wore a morning suit, replete with double breasted waistcoat in 29 degree temperature, you can't get more heroic than that.

It's about being heroic in the face of the enemy though - who was the enemy you faced?

I think the George Cross is more realistic - it was bloody sweltering out there today, and very clammy too. I'm at the cricket tomorrow, I hope it is not as bad.

The bride who said she'd smash a bottle of champagne over the head of anyone who tried to watch the football on their phone.

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

So, given the following choices, which way would you jump:

1) An A50 deal which economically damages the country but keeps the Conservative Party united.

2) An A50 deal which is economically positive for the country but which destroys the Conservative Party.

TheScreamingEagles said:

How does one apply for a Victoria Cross because I deserve one for today.

I wore a morning suit, replete with double breasted waistcoat in 29 degree temperature, you can't get more heroic than that.

Who was the enemy you were facing? Because a VC is only given for military bravery in the face of the enemy. Otherwise you’ll be looking at only a George Cross.
Edit. Damn kle4 beat me to it.

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

So, given the following choices, which way would you jump:

1) An A50 deal which economically damages the country but keeps the Conservative Party united.

2) An A50 deal which is economically positive for the country but which destroys the Conservative Party.

Country before party.

HYUFD said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Fpt, if England does make it to the final, has anything been said about whether any of our great and good will be attending?

Perhaps a job(by) for the turd polisher.

None officially because of the Salisbury poisonings

The ambassador in Moscow?

AnneJGP said:

Sandpit said:

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

Rather depends on whether or not Mrs Sandpit reads PB, doesn't it?

I don’t think she does!!!

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

So, given the following choices, which way would you jump:

1) An A50 deal which economically damages the country but keeps the Conservative Party united.

2) An A50 deal which is economically positive for the country but which destroys the Conservative Party.

Most Tories will pick the former, members especially as in my experience a majority are as ideologically pro Brexit as Labour members at the moment are ideologically pro Corbyn socialism.

There are still significant numbers of Remainers and soft Brexiteers in the Tory Party at the moment of course just as there are still many Blairites and centrists in Labour but in neither case do they make up a majority of the current party

TheScreamingEagles said:

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

So, given the following choices, which way would you jump:

1) An A50 deal which economically damages the country but keeps the Conservative Party united.

2) An A50 deal which is economically positive for the country but which destroys the Conservative Party.

Country before party.

There's a possibility that come the next GE, as in 1945, the electorate will thank the Conservatives for guiding the country through Brexit out of the EU by dumping them for Corbyn's promises.

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

stodge said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

All this embarrassing stuff about Mrs May betraying Tory members/voters.

This is the hyperbole brought to you by the people who predicted Anna Soubry would be ousted by her association.

How'd that turn out?

Power, unlimited power is what Tories like, especially when Corbyn is the alternative.

So, given the following choices, which way would you jump:

1) An A50 deal which economically damages the country but keeps the Conservative Party united.

2) An A50 deal which is economically positive for the country but which destroys the Conservative Party.

Country before party.

There's a possibility that come the next GE, as in 1945, the electorate will thank the Conservatives for guiding the country through Brexit out of the EU by dumping them for Corbyn's promises.

The Conservatives have a clear interest in the next national vote being an EU referendum rather than a General Election, otherwise they will get slaughtered.

It must be the deal versus Remain, and they must stop trying to polish a turd.

Sandpit said:

I now have a potentially annoying conundrum. Next Sunday, 15th, is Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. I never thought that England might be actually playing in the final, and booked a nice restaurant. Thankfully she doesn’t know yet.

So, do I cancel and cook her a steak at home (with the footy on in the background), let it run and hope that either we don’t qualify or they put up a TV to watch the game, or book an hotel for the following weekend (which I have done already, the QEII) and run off to the pub to watch the match?

If you think it will be another 52 years to wait for an England final, reschedule...

kle4 said:

I see Services businesses aren't happy, but any sign that other business sectors think the proposed deal is ok?

They want the full single market and customs union - polar opposite of Brexiteers

CBI have welcomed it

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1015714609074974722

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1015711613175959557

I don't think that means much especially as it was almost certainly mainly taken before yesterday's proposal from May, if anything her plan mau have reduced that LD and Labour rise in this poll. The polls in a week or two though will be significant, especially to see what Tory Leavers do and if some have moved to UKIP or even Labour

williamglenn said:

CarlottaVance said:

Tant pis M. Macron

More like "tant pis DUP". Great Britain? Has Theresa May given them a heads up about what's coming?

That and your second referendum......

Hang on.

England are in the semis of the world cup.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015716083553185792

Well if it was taken today that is clear Leaver movement to Labour or the LDs as a protest at May's deal I suggest, though not necessarily with much logic behind it. Reinforced by Leavers disapproving of the plans almost as much as Remainers. However I think May can live with just a 2% deficit for now behind Labour

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015716407604985856

Huge numbers for don't know. Both sides better get spinning!

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015717425344589825

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015716686207639554

Boris will be interested to know most voters think he should have resigned and most Leavers think the Chequers deal is a bad deal by a 12% margin although Remainers approve of it by a clear 14% majority.

Overall the voters are split on it and still split on Brexit it seems with less than 5% between Leave and Remain and whether the Chequers plan is a good or bad deal

HYUFD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015716686207639554

Boris will be interested to know most voters think he should have resigned and most Leavers think the Chequers deal is a bad deal although Remainers approve of it by a clear majority.

Oberall the voters are split in it and still split on Brexit it seems

A plurality of both Leavers and Remainers say it's the wrong deal for Britain.

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1015718009959276544

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1015711613175959557

I don't think that means much especially as it was almost certainly mainly taken before yesterday's proposal from May, if anything her plan mau have reduced that LD and Labour rise in this poll. The polls in a week or two though will be significant, especially to see what Tory Leavers do and if some have moved to UKIP or even Labour

The poll was done today and the detail polling is shocking for Boris

who the bloody hell was answering polling questions today? Everywhere I went it was rammed with people's only concern the footy.