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The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
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Negotiation is all about cherry picking. If it is as clear as you say the EU will reject it next week and we can focus on no deal, as I do not see how the Cabinet stays together in that scenario. If it is less clear the EU will hopefully say there is something to work with here.surby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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England score!!0
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That is if one accepts the EU framing of the debate. It would be more accurate to say that the UK is taking an age to even decide what it wants.surby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
Good goal !
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Ah so that's why the neighbours are cheeringHYUFD said:England score!!
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Beard going gray, whilst waiting for England to score from open play.0
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If this tournament has done one thing, it has proved once and for all that man marking at set pieces does not work.0
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Are you sure they are not pleased by your latest station conquest?Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
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Go and find a pub!Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Saltburn, 2nd JulyHYUFD said:
Are you are they are not pleased by your latest station conquest?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I did say just now I'm at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet, you see!0 -
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.Sunil_Prasannan said:I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
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No yellow cards though.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.AndyJS said:I hope Colombia are watching to see how football should be played.
'15 mins
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Sweden 0-0 England
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Yeah I know but don't you need a TV licence?DecrepitJohnL said:
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.Sunil_Prasannan said:I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
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Mr Felix will no doubt be disappointed. It still looks very much like a Conservative versus Conservative dogfight.CarlottaVance said:I see trouble ahead.....
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Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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Well you get the score pretty instantly on pb anyway even if your neighbours are out and your relatives have no tvSunil_Prasannan said:
Saltburn, 2nd JulyHYUFD said:
Are you are they are not pleased by your latest station conquest?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I did say just now I'm at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet, you see!0 -
No, the householder does. Ask them in an hour or so.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah I know but don't you need a TV licence?DecrepitJohnL said:
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.Sunil_Prasannan said:I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
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On the basis of not letting the best be the enemy of the good. Number one priority is to get out of the EU - once that's done exit conditions can be revisited. He's just trying to avoid Hotel California.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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Did anyone have Maguire to score first?0
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I hope no-one had Raheem Sterling to score second.OldKingCole said:Did anyone have Maguire to score first?
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AndyJS said:
No yellow cards though.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.AndyJS said:I hope Colombia are watching to see how football should be played.
'15 mins
Post update
Sweden 0-0 England
As dull a 15 minutes as you will have seen at the World Cup.'
Complete contrast with the Columbia game......0 -
Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...0
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Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports go to the UK for instance and of course Trump's US is already the EU's current largest export destination and is already slamming tariffs on EU imports, we would end up joining Trump in a trade war with the EU but unlike Trump we would push no or minimal tariffs with the rest of the world. As you say most UK exports now go outside the EU.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.daodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, therefore when they do the d no.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
I think given the immediate reactions May will take a hit at first, and all depends on if the EU softer than the hards would like, might be enough for the party at least to think it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.0 -
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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A bit boring (until 30 mins) but sportsmanlike conduct.CarlottaVance said:AndyJS said:
No yellow cards though.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.AndyJS said:I hope Colombia are watching to see how football should be played.
'15 mins
Post update
Sweden 0-0 England
As dull a 15 minutes as you will have seen at the World Cup.'
Complete contrast with the Columbia game......0 -
This Sweden team is very very modest though.AlastairMeeks said:Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
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Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.daodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, therefore when they do the d no.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
I think given the immediate reactions May will take a hit at first, and all depends on if the EU softer than the hards would like, might be enough for the party at least to think it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
I agree. But chicken-counting is not merited by England's defensive track record.Pulpstar said:
This Sweden team is very very modest though.AlastairMeeks said:Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
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Have there been any matches so far with no yellow/red cards?0
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Agreed. The first time we play a decent team who can tear open our defence we'll be on the plane home -- but that will not be until the final.AlastairMeeks said:
I agree. But chicken-counting is not merited by England's defensive track record.Pulpstar said:
This Sweden team is very very modest though.AlastairMeeks said:Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
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Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.daodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.0 -
Belgium-France should be a belter, the two best teams of the tournament. I think Mbappe might skin Kompany alive though, whereas Konte can contain De Bruyne. So maybe France.DecrepitJohnL said:
Agreed. The first time we play a decent team who can tear open our defence we'll be on the plane home -- but that will not be until the final.AlastairMeeks said:
I agree. But chicken-counting is not merited by England's defensive track record.Pulpstar said:
This Sweden team is very very modest though.AlastairMeeks said:Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
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Oh for heaven's sake - that both sides want a deal is not in dispute, because all sides take a hit, the question is are they prepared to take a hit just because we get hit even harder than them? Yes appears to be the answer, but it is still them taking a hit.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put inationdaodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.0 -
It is the start of the negotiation not the end. There will probably be movement on both sides from here.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories ondaodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.
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Chicken Licken is in the building.....williamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
There would be immense problems for Ireland in this situation.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.daodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.0 -
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#ChlorineFreeMarqueeMark said:
Chicken Licken is in the building.....williamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
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Correctkle4 said:
Oh for heaven's sake - that both sides want a deal is not in dispute, because all sides take a hit, the question is are they prepared to take a hit just because we get hit even harder than them? Yes appears to be the answer, but it is still them taking a hit.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put inationdaodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.0 -
Thanks for a brilliant threader, David.
This song is rather lovely; in some ways I prefer World in Motion, but this has a very clever 'amateur' feel to it that allows anyone - even someone uninterested in football like me - to sing it. It's just brilliant.
It also has some rather pleasant memories from that summer.0 -
For now.....williamglenn said:
#ChlorineFreeMarqueeMark said:
Chicken Licken is in the building.....williamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EUwilliamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
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To prepare for NO DEAL with so little time involves a tremendous amount of work.HYUFD said:
Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.TOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't or it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories ondaodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.0 -
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offerPeterC said:HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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I hope you are right and I expect the offer will at least allow confirmation of the transition period but that is not certainfelix said:
It is the start of the negotiation not the end. There will probably be movement on both sides from here.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by t ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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Henderson has been excellent in this game.0
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We would have almost a year if the EU rejects it next week to prepare and we could start initial FTA talks with Trump's USA for a post Brexit trade deal with the US freeing us from US tariffs on EU importsPeterC said:
To prepare for NO DEAL with so little time involves a tremendous amount of work.HYUFD said:
Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.TOPPING said:
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.HYUFD said:
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU ow go outside the EUTOPPING said:
Exactly. Not that much.HYUFD said:
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK tooHYUFD said:
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.TOPPING said:
We account for approx 6% of each our exports.HYUFD said:
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.kle4 said:
I don't or it to matter.HYUFD said:
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be itHYUFD said:
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories ondaodao said:
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.kle4 said:
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.Handymandy1980 said:"Discussions in a literal hot-house."
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
vs nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.0 -
The EU will definitely reject this offer [ in totality ]. The real question is whether they would accept this as a basis for negotiations.HYUFD said:
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offerPeterC said:HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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2 0 England. It's coming home!! (Maybe)0
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I'm not watching the game, but I knew we'd scored as cheers wafted in through open windows from a couple of houses in our street.HYUFD said:2 0 England. It's coming home!! (Maybe)
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Might it be coming home...?0
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If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Dealsurby said:
The EU will definitely reject this offer [ in totality ]. The real question is whether they would accept this as a basis for negotiations.HYUFD said:
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offerPeterC said:HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
There would be a huge political crisis in o Deal and Remain.HYUFD said:
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitablePeterC said:
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.HYUFD said:
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow arder line Brexiteersurby said:
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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Genius Pickford0
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Love's got the world in motion
And I know what we can do
Love's got the world in motion
And I can't believe it's true0 -
20-1 for SPOTY.Big_G_NorthWales said:Genius Pickford
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Cheer from upstairs tooJosiasJessop said:
I'm not watching the game, but I knew we'd scored as cheers wafted in through open windows from a couple of houses in our street.HYUFD said:2 0 England. It's coming home!! (Maybe)
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Joshua out to 7-1 for SPOTY. At what point does he become value because Kane, Pickford and possibly others are nominated?0
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Very very modest World Cup quarter finalists.Pulpstar said:
This Sweden team is very very modest though.AlastairMeeks said:Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
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And the £40 billion.....HYUFD said:
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EUwilliamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
I do hope we've got the Jordan Pickford of close protection officers guarding Jordan Pickford0
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Trump's North Korea deal unravelling....
North Korea has branded the US attitude at the latest talks over its nuclear programme "regrettable".
The statement, by an unnamed foreign ministry official, contradicted the version of events given by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just hours before.
Mr Pompeo had said progress was made during the two days he was in Pyongyang to discuss the issue.
It was the first time he had visited North Korea since the Donald Trump-Kim Jong-un summit in Singapore.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44751283
Whodathunkit?0 -
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European Championship 1968.Stark_Dawning said:When was England's fourth semi-final? (I've got WCs 1966 and 1990 and Euro '96.)
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That tooMarqueeMark said:
And the £40 billion.....HYUFD said:
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EUwilliamglenn said:
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.HYUFD said:Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU0 -
How good could this team be in 2, 4 years time...?0
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One of the nerighbours has put their TV on really loud, so I can actually listen
Disappointed that MalcolmG hasn't popped up to say
Turnips 2
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Pickford again - what a star0
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I've taken the 16-1 on him for SPOTY. Given what's to come in the semi finals and final, he has a great chance.Big_G_NorthWales said:Pickford again - what a star
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Damn -- just remembered I've got a free in-play bet.0
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“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
At what point does the settlement money become in doubt? With the lack of a deal do we walk away without paying?HYUFD said:
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball gamewilliamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1015589171082219520HYUFD said:It will most likely tell May she has to resign or face a no confidence vote and prepare for No Deal and a Mogg, Boris or Gove or Javid premiership.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_1968Stark_Dawning said:When was England's fourth semi-final? (I've got WCs 1966 and 1990 and Euro '96.)
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This has been too easy for England. I thought Sweden would provide more competition.0
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May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.felix said:
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
England have been competent but Sweden must be a contender for the worst team ever to reach a WC QF.0
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Like she was last time? How did that work out for your side?williamglenn said:
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.felix said:
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
Do,you suspect the referendum will be on whether we accept the deal or not or whether we leave or not?williamglenn said:
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.felix said:
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
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Ukraine were pretty poor in 2006.another_richard said:England have been competent but Sweden must be a contender for the worst team ever to reach a WC QF.
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Hopefully that will be Russia in a couple of hours.another_richard said:England have been competent but Sweden must be a contender for the worst team ever to reach a WC QF.
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Deal versus Remain. Brexiteers will be increasingly looking for a way to euthanise the project.notme said:
Do,you suspect the referendum will be on whether we accept the deal or not or whether we leave or not?williamglenn said:
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.felix said:
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
They were but had Shevchenko and Rebrov up front so had some quality.tlg86 said:
Ukraine were pretty poor in 2006.another_richard said:England have been competent but Sweden must be a contender for the worst team ever to reach a WC QF.
Sweden are utterly mediocre.0 -
WG thought the trend was with Remain when the Sheffield result was announced at about 3.20 on Referendum night.tlg86 said:
Like she was last time? How did that work out for your side?williamglenn said:
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.felix said:
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.notme said:
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.0 -
Brilliant retort in that thread:dr_spyn said:
http://www.twitter.com/brianbetts1/status/10156186154612080640 -
He’s very impressive.Big_G_NorthWales said:Pickford again - what a star
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Full time. England win and will go to their first world cup semi final in 28 years on Wednesday0
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This was the Swedish squad when they reached the WC SF in 1994:AndyJS said:This has been too easy for England. I thought Sweden would provide more competition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Sweden
Compare the depth and quality and attacking potential there to the non-entities here:
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Wow, that seemed much easier than I feared at 3pm.HYUFD said:Full time. England win and will go to their first world cup semi final in 28 years on Wednesday
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England in the semi final of the World Cup - just take that in0
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Though I have to say the Swedes won the contest of most beautiful spectators!0
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"You're shitHYUFD said:Though I have to say the Swedes won the contest of most beautiful spectators!
But your birds are fit....."0 -
So anyone want to offer odds on who England's lowest rated player will be on the BBC website ?
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