I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
Negotiation is all about cherry picking. If it is as clear as you say the EU will reject it next week and we can focus on no deal, as I do not see how the Cabinet stays together in that scenario. If it is less clear the EU will hopefully say there is something to work with here.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.
I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
I'm actually at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet! So I'm resorting to, ah, "watching" the match on PB and the BBC live website ticker
Go to the news site and press the button to watch it live over the iplayer interwebs.
Yeah I know but don't you need a TV licence?
No, the householder does. Ask them in an hour or so.
On the basis of not letting the best be the enemy of the good. Number one priority is to get out of the EU - once that's done exit conditions can be revisited. He's just trying to avoid Hotel California.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, therefore when they do the d no.
I think given the immediate reactions May will take a hit at first, and all depends on if the EU softer than the hards would like, might be enough for the party at least to think it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports go to the UK for instance and of course Trump's US is already the EU's current largest export destination and is already slamming tariffs on EU imports, we would end up joining Trump in a trade war with the EU but unlike Trump we would push no or minimal tariffs with the rest of the world. As you say most UK exports now go outside the EU.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, therefore when they do the d no.
I think given the immediate reactions May will take a hit at first, and all depends on if the EU softer than the hards would like, might be enough for the party at least to think it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Not to be a killjoy but England have conceded a goal in every match of this tournament so far...
This Sweden team is very very modest though.
I agree. But chicken-counting is not merited by England's defensive track record.
Agreed. The first time we play a decent team who can tear open our defence we'll be on the plane home -- but that will not be until the final.
Belgium-France should be a belter, the two best teams of the tournament. I think Mbappe might skin Kompany alive though, whereas Konte can contain De Bruyne. So maybe France.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put ination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Oh for heaven's sake - that both sides want a deal is not in dispute, because all sides take a hit, the question is are they prepared to take a hit just because we get hit even harder than them? Yes appears to be the answer, but it is still them taking a hit.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
It is the start of the negotiation not the end. There will probably be movement on both sides from here.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories on
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put Mogg, Gove or Boris in as Tory leader and PM and prepare for hard Brexit and WTO terms.
Of course the EU would have to reflect on tariffs on EU exports to the UK, which will be the EU's biggest export destination post Brexit as well as the tariffs Trump has also slammed on EU exports, the USA being the EU's current largest export destination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
There would be immense problems for Ireland in this situation.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories we would have to accept they do not want a deal and put ination
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't think they do. I think they are gambling we will compromise yet further, so they do not have to, and that at worst in a no deal situation we will be bitter but too damaged for it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Oh for heaven's sake - that both sides want a deal is not in dispute, because all sides take a hit, the question is are they prepared to take a hit just because we get hit even harder than them? Yes appears to be the answer, but it is still them taking a hit.
This song is rather lovely; in some ways I prefer World in Motion, but this has a very clever 'amateur' feel to it that allows anyone - even someone uninterested in football like me - to sing it. It's just brilliant.
It also has some rather pleasant memories from that summer.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EU
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories on
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't or it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each EU country's exports (OK, Germany and France which I just googled). The EU accounts for nearly 50% of our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than the UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.
To prepare for NO DEAL with so little time involves a tremendous amount of work.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offer
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
It is the start of the negotiation not the end. There will probably be movement on both sides from here.
I hope you are right and I expect the offer will at least allow confirmation of the transition period but that is not certain
Except it wasn't. Chequers is a C16th Manor House and the rooms are actually very cool even during a heatwave.
And this neatly illustrates the trouble with this article: he eye.
It might be as speculated - that they are counting on the EU rejecting it, thereforink it acceptable, but only if the EU plays ball.
TM's proposal is picking and choosing from the "4 freedoms". The EU should reject it and treat the UK like it treats Russia.
If the EU reject even this deal then in my view as Tories on
If the EU wants a hostile post Brexit UK as well as a hostile ne then so be it
I don't or it to matter.
Except we won't compromise further, the ball is now in the EU's court, they can take it or leave it.
They are also not be going to be able to replace the UK as their largest export destination overnight
We account for approx 6% of each our exports.
The EU is far more than just Germany and France, 7% of Spanish exports U.
We may also still achieve a FTA with the US post Brexit
9% of Dutch exports and 15% of Irish exports and 8% of Danish exports go to the UK too
Exactly. Not that much.
vs nearly 50% for us.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU ow go outside the EU
LOL. 6-15% for each EU country and nearly 50% for us.
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
Almost 20% of EU exports go to the UK and Trump's USA combined and both would impose tariffs on EU imports in the event of No Deal.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.
To prepare for NO DEAL with so little time involves a tremendous amount of work.
We would have almost a year if the EU rejects it next week to prepare and we could start initial FTA talks with Trump's USA for a post Brexit trade deal with the US freeing us from US tariffs on EU imports
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
There would be a huge political crisis in such circumstances, whether May is toppled or not. The wider debate would range around Norway, No Deal and Remain.
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offer
The EU will definitely reject this offer [ in totality ]. The real question is whether they would accept this as a basis for negotiations.
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow her, she cannot go any further without the Tory Party overthrowing her and replacing her with a harder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
On the basis it would be accepted by the EU, if the EU rejects it and demands even more concessions that is a totally different ball game
The UK is still very much in the cherry picking state. The EU have all along shown their red lines.
May has gone as far as her red lines will allow arder line Brexiteer
Overthrowing May would imply a commitment to NO DEAL - that would be the only other Brexit available.
Correct. If the EU reject this offer No Deal is almost inevitable
There would be a huge political crisis in o Deal and Remain.
It would end up being No Deal given the Tory and DUP majority plus a few Labour Leave MPs would back No Deal too if the EU reject this offer
The EU will definitely reject this offer [ in totality ]. The real question is whether they would accept this as a basis for negotiations.
If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EU
North Korea has branded the US attitude at the latest talks over its nuclear programme "regrettable". The statement, by an unnamed foreign ministry official, contradicted the version of events given by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just hours before. Mr Pompeo had said progress was made during the two days he was in Pyongyang to discuss the issue. It was the first time he had visited North Korea since the Donald Trump-Kim Jong-un summit in Singapore.
Plus they will also have to face Trump's tariffs on EU imports with the USA the only other non EU export destination other than post Brexit UK in most EU nations top 5.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
Your premise is just absurd. The only quick route to getting into a position where we can levy tariffs on trade with the rest of Europe is via 'No Deal' and the UK would simply descend into chaos if that happened.
No 17 million voted Leave and if the EU refuse to respect their vote in any way I believe the electorate would accept no deal for the time being in return for the immigration controls and sovereignty they were promised and look to expand the majority of UK exports which already go beyond the EU
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.
Like she was last time? How did that work out for your side?
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.
Do,you suspect the referendum will be on whether we accept the deal or not or whether we leave or not?
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.
Do,you suspect the referendum will be on whether we accept the deal or not or whether we leave or not?
Deal versus Remain. Brexiteers will be increasingly looking for a way to euthanise the project.
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
Me too - Corbyn will not be a happy bunny today. The ultras on both sides of the divide got a kicking from May and it shows.
May is also in prime position to call a referendum when the time comes in which she can be neutral.
Like she was last time? How did that work out for your side?
WG thought the trend was with Remain when the Sheffield result was announced at about 3.20 on Referendum night.
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Good goal !
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/1015567926345326592
I did say just now I'm at my brother and sister-in-law's new place - they haven't got a TV yet, you see!
Complete contrast with the Columbia game......
vs nearly 50% for us.
As you also correctly confirm most UK exports now go outside the EU
But yes by all means keep telling us how "The EU" will find it difficult, etc.
I don't want no deal, I voted Remain and think May has offered the EU a fair deal but I am afraid if the EU reject this offer they clearly have no interest in any deal with us, they just want to try and punish us and even I would say we would then have to prepare for no deal.
This song is rather lovely; in some ways I prefer World in Motion, but this has a very clever 'amateur' feel to it that allows anyone - even someone uninterested in football like me - to sing it. It's just brilliant.
It also has some rather pleasant memories from that summer.
And I know what we can do
Love's got the world in motion
And I can't believe it's true
North Korea has branded the US attitude at the latest talks over its nuclear programme "regrettable".
The statement, by an unnamed foreign ministry official, contradicted the version of events given by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo just hours before.
Mr Pompeo had said progress was made during the two days he was in Pyongyang to discuss the issue.
It was the first time he had visited North Korea since the Donald Trump-Kim Jong-un summit in Singapore.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44751283
Whodathunkit?
Disappointed that MalcolmG hasn't popped up to say
Turnips 2
Swedes 0
“If they reject this offer in totality there is nothing further really to negotiate without abandoning almost all the Leave campaign promises so we start preparing for No Deal”
Leave campaign promises? No such thing. How can they promise anything? They weren’t a government. Or claiming to become one. The promise of the referendum was to leave the EU. That we are doing it. Two caveats though. May has tied herself with her own red lines. And stood for re election promising many of these in her manifesto. If for instance we opted for EEA single market. It isn’t the referendum, but the GE manifesto that’s been betrayed.
If EU won’t accept the free movement restrictions I can’t see anything that rivals membership of the eea as an alternative that causes minimum disruption. Either as a short term or long term decision.
This claim ”UK will also apply common rulebook to state aid; and maintain same standards for environment, climate change, social & employment and consumer protection” makes me sleep better at night. It will utterly prevent much of the ambitions of the more radical of Corbyn’s followers.
https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1015615240959152130
Sweden are utterly mediocre.
http://www.twitter.com/brianbetts1/status/1015618615461208064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Sweden
Compare the depth and quality and attacking potential there to the non-entities here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Sweden
But your birds are fit....."