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I've got a feeling we're going to lose to Sweden on Saturday. It's been too good to be true so far.FrancisUrquhart said:This weird withdrawal feeling is starting...not sure I can manage until Friday...
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I think it's a no brainer for him to vote against the deal. There will be enough time before the vote and the cliff edge that he will be able to imagine he can profit politically from the ensuing crisis.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
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tittersCarlottaVance said:
Excluding the £9million government leaflet.....so Remain total spending was more than double Leave's......and still they lost....to a bus....as they never tire of reminding us.....RobD said:
Seriously?Sandpit said:
And there’s almost certainly going to be a judicial review requested. The EC didn’t even interview the person they just found guilty.FrancisUrquhart said:Some people really have been sent insane by brexit.
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In any case, let's have a quick reminder of which campaign spent more.
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Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!AndyJS said:
I've got a feeling we're going to lose to Sweden on Saturday. It's been too good to be true so far.FrancisUrquhart said:This weird withdrawal feeling is starting...not sure I can manage until Friday...
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Hmm - I don't think it is in a Lord Mayor's gift to ban a head of state from a city.0
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Corbyn is a hard Brexit supporter. He will do whatever it takes to ensure the country leaves the EU. His gutting of the EEA amendment is just the latest example.williamglenn said:
I think it's a no brainer for him to vote against the deal. There will be enough time before the vote and the cliff edge that he will be able to imagine he can profit politically from the ensuing crisis.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
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Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Yes.MaxPB said:
Wouldn't it just mean we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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He'll do whatever it takes to ensure the government faces political chaos. Even with his anti-EU hat on, what's in for him to back either of the potential deals on offer?MaxPB said:
Corbyn is a hard Brexit supporter. He will do whatever it takes to ensure the country leaves the EU. His gutting of the EEA amendment is just the latest example.williamglenn said:
I think it's a no brainer for him to vote against the deal. There will be enough time before the vote and the cliff edge that he will be able to imagine he can profit politically from the ensuing crisis.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
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Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Voting against the government gives him a shot at a GE. That is what he will do.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
Huzzah for them!0 -
I seem to be the only one on here thinking that England look value at just under evens to beat Sweden in normal time. But I do.
The challenges for England are later, I'd have thought.0 -
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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The dates have been set by FIFA already (though are presumably subject to change). From memory, it's something like mid-Nov to a week before Christmas.dixiedean said:
Would be above six weeks for a start. 2 months minimum with training camps etc. 48 teams means lower leagues (certainly Championship) would lose plenty of players.TheValiant said:Off topic almost straight away and my apologies for all the non-football fans out there, but last night I noticed a few people talking about Qatar in November 2022.
I know there had been ideas to move the next World Cup tournament to the winter, but didn't know it was official. However, after checking I see this decision was made three years ago now!
So some questions for the PB (football) brains trusts:
1. Is Qatar going to be ready for 2022?
2. Is it really likely to be held in November 2022 as presently planned?
3. What is going to happen to domestic football, not just in the UK but across the world? Even a shortened World Cup would take half the Premiership players out for six weeks?
4. Is it likely to be cancelled, and if so, who (England) might get the nod (and when would we know)?
So October and November. Guess we would have to start in July and finish mid-June.
But it'll have to be in the northern hemisphere's winter so the climate's manageable. Of course, that means that if it is cancelled late on, all the calendar's will have already been rearranged, so if the games are in England or Germany (for sake of argument), they could be played in snow at -5C.0 -
I thought that at one time it wasn’t uncommon for such people to shut the gates of the City against undesirablesPulpstar said:Hmm - I don't think it is in a Lord Mayor's gift to ban a head of state from a city.
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I'll have to ask my Dad when I next see him if he's going to ban Trump xDOldKingCole said:
I thought that at one time it wasn’t uncommon for such people to shut the gates of the City against undesirablesPulpstar said:Hmm - I don't think it is in a Lord Mayor's gift to ban a head of state from a city.
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The most important part of last night was not the penalties, but the second half of extra time. We did SFA in the second half of normal time (how many times did we get out of our own half?) and the first half of ET.AndyJS said:
I've got a feeling we're going to lose to Sweden on Saturday. It's been too good to be true so far.FrancisUrquhart said:This weird withdrawal feeling is starting...not sure I can manage until Friday...
But in the second half of ET we got our second wind, overcame whatever psychological and physical damage had been done and went at them. Vardy in particular. This showed that we have it in us to be a threat throughout the game and I'm sure (I hope) Southgate will point to this to show the team that they shouldn't be disheartened whatever the Sweden match throws at them.0 -
And I don't think it will work. There's a strong risk that he'll overreach by sitting on the fence too long and May will outmanoeuvre him by calling a second referendum that will make him look like an irrelevance.TOPPING said:
Voting against the government gives him a shot at a GE. That is what he will do.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
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But the 2018 win (if it happens - which it won't) won't be against the Germans.Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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May will not, under any circumstances, call a second referendum, for about a million reasons.williamglenn said:
And I don't think it will work. There's a strong risk that he'll overreach by sitting on the fence too long and May will outmanoeuvre him by calling a second referendum that will make him look like an irrelevance.TOPPING said:
Voting against the government gives him a shot at a GE. That is what he will do.OblitusSumMe said:
So then it comes down to Corbyn. Does he vote with the government, the Tory government, for whatever deal she brings home from Brussels, or does he follow Tony Blair's example by siding with the Tory Eurosceptics? Hell of a choice for him.TOPPING said:
Yep. Brexiters will have the opportunity to plunge the country into chaos.Mortimer said:
Something that has been blindingly obvious since the article 50 to vote to all but Remainer MPs...OblitusSumMe said:
Yes. This means that the hard Brexiteers now have the upper hand in the Commons because the status quo is that we leave on March 29th 2019 with no deal. Any alternative has to be agreed and makes its legislative way through the Commons (and the European Parliament, etc)Scott_P said:
This seems to be what JRM was talking about on DPRichard_Nabavi said:So I don't think the government can now ask for an extension to Article 50, without primary legislation to amend the Act. However, IANAL, nor a constitutional expert, so perhaps I'm wrong on this - does anyone know?
Parliament can vote to change the existing law, but only if the Government propose the legislation, which they can't do if they get toppled...
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Almost as perverse as claiming England won the World Wars...RobD said:
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Max, what is your source for your first point?TheValiant said:
Thanks for that. Looks like we'll have to wait and see.MaxPB said:1. Difficult to tell, but reports on the ground say that they are well behind their building schedule and their current spat with their neighbours is hurting their ability to finance and build projects.
2. If it goes ahead, then yes. There is no way the players could survive playing in 40-45 degree heat in the desert.
3. The main European leagues are consulting on what to do, the main idea is to start the season a bit earlier and have a 5 week break for the tournament, 1 week post tournament and then finish the season a few weeks late.
4. If it gets cancelled then England is seen as one of the few countries that could host it without needing any investment in infrastructure. I think Germany is another nation, but they hosted it too recently. What might happen is England gets it and then the FA supports some Asian bid for 2030, maybe China.
Certainly not how it feels when you visit Qatar. The place is plastered with things about football, the hotel building is well along. And I find it really hard to believe that Qatar is finding it difficult to fund something so central to the image they wish to project internationally.0 -
More perverse. At least we were actually competing!Nigelb said:
Almost as perverse as claiming England won the World Wars...RobD said:
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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It took the current England team 13 matches through two qualification groups just to reach the last sixteen; it took Ramsey's team precisely none (as hosts, they didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams took part). They then played six matches at Wembley. If the 2018 team win, you can argue as to which is the better side but there can surely be no doubt as to which is the greater achievement.Scott_P said:
Nah, you will get bogged down in endless debates about which was the better team, who had an easier path. Ultras on both sides will dig in. Much easier to tune out the incestuous infightingMaxPB said:Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?
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And begin...david_herdson said:It took the current England team 13 matches through two qualification groups just to reach the last sixteen; it took Ramsey's team precisely none (as hosts, they didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams took part). They then played six matches at Wembley. If the 2018 team win, you can argue as to which is the better side but there can surely be no doubt as to which is the greater achievement.
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DIscussed it and decided against it.Scott_P said:0 -
Hold the presses!Scott_P said:0 -
You'd do better to find your own tailor rather than go to one of the shops.MaxPB said:
Hmm, that's probably true, but he is officially a remainer, a reluctant one anyway. It would make him a reasonably pragmatic PM though, which is partly why I would vote for him.TOPPING said:fpt for Max:
On Javid. He is absolutely a Leaver and altered his views in conjunction with Dave to join the Remain side.
On sartorial protocol, Jermyn Street for shirts, Savile Row for suits.
Yes, that's how it is, but I find that Savile Row is for tourists. Jermyn Street offers better value and a superior tailoring experience, IMO.
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On that basis do we have to hope that the French make it through to the final?TheValiant said:
But the 2018 win (if it happens - which it won't) won't be against the Germans.Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!0
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Clicked on Federer's match to see how he's getting on and he's already won it.0
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You're not. Though Croatia look even better at around 5/4 to beat Russia. Provided they don't so much as breathe on any Russians in their penalty area...AlastairMeeks said:I seem to be the only one on here thinking that England look value at just under evens to beat Sweden in normal time. But I do.
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2018 obviously. They are having to do it all with no West Ham players.david_herdson said:
It took the current England team 13 matches through two qualification groups just to reach the last sixteen; it took Ramsey's team precisely none (as hosts, they didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams took part). They then played six matches at Wembley. If the 2018 team win, you can argue as to which is the better side but there can surely be no doubt as to which is the greater achievement.Scott_P said:
Nah, you will get bogged down in endless debates about which was the better team, who had an easier path. Ultras on both sides will dig in. Much easier to tune out the incestuous infightingMaxPB said:Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?
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We could beat Sweden (they're a bit like a Tony Pulis team with skill) and then meet Croatia in the semis (Russia have over-achieved even for a home nation). That leaves France or Brazil in the Finals. They're better than us but can be flaky on a bad day.
It's a pity it's not like Eurovision where the winners host the next event. Then football really would come home.0 -
and they do have a sprinter (Caleb Ewen) but I don't think he is in the Tour team.El_Capitano said:
Bit harsh - they almost won the Giro.Dura_Ace said:Nieve has moved to perpetual shower of shit Mitchelton-Scott (a lead out train with no sprinter).
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Apparently Laura Kuenssberg knew England was going to win the night before on penalties - so deliberately arranged the interview for this morning to ensure minimum coverage.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps she can tell us the results for the rest of the tournament!0 -
I rewatched the 1966 final the other day. Both teams were absolutely cream-crackered by extra time, out on their feet. It brings home how much fitter and stronger are today's players.TheValiant said:
But the 2018 win (if it happens - which it won't) won't be against the Germans.Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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The downside of winning the World Cup will be Tottenham fans inheriting that long-running joke.DecrepitJohnL said:
2018 obviously. They are having to do it all with no West Ham players.david_herdson said:
It took the current England team 13 matches through two qualification groups just to reach the last sixteen; it took Ramsey's team precisely none (as hosts, they didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams took part). They then played six matches at Wembley. If the 2018 team win, you can argue as to which is the better side but there can surely be no doubt as to which is the greater achievement.Scott_P said:
Nah, you will get bogged down in endless debates about which was the better team, who had an easier path. Ultras on both sides will dig in. Much easier to tune out the incestuous infightingMaxPB said:Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?
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v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.0 -
Bargains abound...AndyJS said:
Which Waitrose? Or maybe this offer is available at all their stores.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
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Boylesports are 20-21 England and 5-4 Croatia. The best part is I've used £46 in there I didn't even realise I had.Tissue_Price said:
You're not. Though Croatia look even better at around 5/4 to beat Russia. Provided they don't so much as breathe on any Russians in their penalty area...AlastairMeeks said:I seem to be the only one on here thinking that England look value at just under evens to beat Sweden in normal time. But I do.
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Our chances of winning Eurovision are seemingly infintesimal every year judging by the odds ! Far easier to win the world cup.CD13 said:We could beat Sweden (they're a bit like a Tony Pulis team with skill) and then meet Croatia in the semis (Russia have over-achieved even for a home nation). That leaves France or Brazil in the Finals. They're better than us but can be flaky on a bad day.
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Yeah, it's so long ago that the UK won Eurovision that even Scotland has qualified for a major football finals tournament more recently.Pulpstar said:
Our chances of winning Eurovision are seemingly infintesimal every year judging by the odds ! Far easier to win the world cup.CD13 said:We could beat Sweden (they're a bit like a Tony Pulis team with skill) and then meet Croatia in the semis (Russia have over-achieved even for a home nation). That leaves France or Brazil in the Finals. They're better than us but can be flaky on a bad day.
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Talking of Scotland and world cups. I remember to this day that great result against Peru.
Coming out of the back door, I caught sight of my neighbour. When our eyes met, we both collapsed laughing.
A comment on that great day … and why we won't look too far ahead.
"Sure enough, after a slow start, Peru proved themselves the bosses of Scotland, Teófilo Cubillas conducting the orchestra, Rioch dancing to his tune. Even the Observer’s television critic could see this wasn’t a very clever state of affairs, though admittedly this was the brilliant Clive James we’re talking about.
James noted archly that the Peruvians had “revealed an ability to run faster with the ball than the Scots could run without it”.
Scotland’s undressing inspired other utterances of tinder-dry brilliance. “I would like to congratulate Scotland and Mr MacLeod on the team they presented to us,” deadpanned the Peru manager, Marcos Calderón, after his side’s 3-1 win.
“Our main fault lay in not marking Cubillas,” sighed MacLeod, which led our man Lacey to remark that the Scotland manager’s observation was made “much as a man might reflect, on falling out of an aircraft, that on second thoughts he should have worn a parachute”.
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On political matters I think the Democrats should be odds on for the house in November.0
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That's true - although the prebuttal being "you never bothered to interview any of the accused" is presumably quite easy to prove one way or the otherAlastairMeeks said:
I'd be more than a bit wary of leaping to any assumptions just yet as to how the case was handled or indeed what the allegations are. So far all we have is an extensive prebuttal from someone who has apparently been found guilty. We haven't heard the Electoral Commission's version at all.Sandpit said:
And there’s almost certainly going to be a judicial review requested. The EC didn’t even interview the person they just found guilty.FrancisUrquhart said:Some people really have been sent insane by brexit.
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On that note, there was a letter to the Times iirc complaining that New Labour belatedly making Geoff Hurst a Sir in 1998 devalued the honours system as now every Englishman who scores a hat-trick in the World Cup final will expect a knighthood.Tissue_Price said:
The downside of winning the World Cup will be Tottenham fans inheriting that long-running joke.DecrepitJohnL said:
2018 obviously. They are having to do it all with no West Ham players.david_herdson said:
It took the current England team 13 matches through two qualification groups just to reach the last sixteen; it took Ramsey's team precisely none (as hosts, they didn't have to qualify and only 16 teams took part). They then played six matches at Wembley. If the 2018 team win, you can argue as to which is the better side but there can surely be no doubt as to which is the greater achievement.Scott_P said:
Nah, you will get bogged down in endless debates about which was the better team, who had an easier path. Ultras on both sides will dig in. Much easier to tune out the incestuous infightingMaxPB said:Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?
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Thanks for the recommendation.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
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Sounds intriguing. And for £15 what is there to lose.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
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Reports of another possible nerve agent attack in the UK. Watch for breaking news...0
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Just watching this showtime documentary following the NYT...and it is no surprise they don’t get the attraction of trump in the rust belt...log in to Pb.com and see a discussion on decent quality plonk and peasant wagons :-)0
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I remember that free kick when Ally Macleod [ or someone else ] commented thatthey didn't expect the ball coming from that side of the wall. The goal was not too dissimilar to the one Ronaldo scored against Spain.CD13 said:Talking of Scotland and world cups. I remember to this day that great result against Peru.
Coming out of the back door, I caught sight of my neighbour. When our eyes met, we both collapsed laughing.
A comment on that great day … and why we won't look too far ahead.
"Sure enough, after a slow start, Peru proved themselves the bosses of Scotland, Teófilo Cubillas conducting the orchestra, Rioch dancing to his tune. Even the Observer’s television critic could see this wasn’t a very clever state of affairs, though admittedly this was the brilliant Clive James we’re talking about.
James noted archly that the Peruvians had “revealed an ability to run faster with the ball than the Scots could run without it”.
Scotland’s undressing inspired other utterances of tinder-dry brilliance. “I would like to congratulate Scotland and Mr MacLeod on the team they presented to us,” deadpanned the Peru manager, Marcos Calderón, after his side’s 3-1 win.
“Our main fault lay in not marking Cubillas,” sighed MacLeod, which led our man Lacey to remark that the Scotland manager’s observation was made “much as a man might reflect, on falling out of an aircraft, that on second thoughts he should have worn a parachute”.0 -
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1014536169437257728MTimT said:Pulp, I've stopped having any certainty about US politics. It's an effing madhouse.
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Apparently, it was drug related. This might give Putin [ or his spokesperson Trump ] the perfect opportunity to have a go at us. Unless Russians were involved. The fact remains that this place is close Porton Down. I would say the chance of any funny business is less than 1% - bot not 0%.MTimT said:Reports of another possible nerve agent attack in the UK. Watch for breaking news...
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Interesting - it says 13% on the website. I try to avoid higher abvs as I am a wuss.SeanT said:
Quite. I was totally skeptical. But it is delicious. It's got a real kick tho: 13-14%. So be careful!TOPPING said:
Sounds intriguing. And for £15 what is there to lose.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
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Oh nice, I'll get a few of those. Hosting an engagement party/BBQ this weekend at my parent's place so will pop a few of those I'm sure.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
http://www.ministryofdrinks.co.uk/?product=tapiz-malbec-rose-extra-brut-nv0 -
Thanks, just had one of the news channels on the phone asking for a comment. Told them I knew nothing and intended to spend today drinking and eating in the sun (4th July celebrations - even Brits do it in the US), not in a studio.surby said:
Apparently, it was drug related. This might give Putin [ or his spokesperson Trump ] the perfect opportunity to have a go at us. Unless Russians were involved. The fact remains that this place is close Porton Down. I would say the chance of any funny business is less than 1% - bot not 0%.MTimT said:Reports of another possible nerve agent attack in the UK. Watch for breaking news...
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Our victories in the Seven Years War and the War of Spanish Succession were fairly comprehensiveNigelb said:
Almost as perverse as claiming England won the World Wars...RobD said:
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Betfair exchange:
Sweden 4.9
England 1.97
Draw 3.4
Russia 4.1
Croatia 2.28
Draw 3.1
Uruguay 4.8
France 2.04
Draw 3.25
Brazil 2.2
Belgium 3.8
Draw 3.5
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Surby response isn’t quite correct. Police initially responded and thought drugs related but then became unsure and since then counter terrorist, samples taken for testing at government labs, cobra meeting, etc.MTimT said:
Thanks, just had one of the news channels on the phone asking for a comment. Told them I knew nothing and intended to spend today drinking and eating in the sun (4th July celebrations - even Brits do it in the US), not in a studio.surby said:
Apparently, it was drug related. This might give Putin [ or his spokesperson Trump ] the perfect opportunity to have a go at us. Unless Russians were involved. The fact remains that this place is close Porton Down. I would say the chance of any funny business is less than 1% - bot not 0%.MTimT said:Reports of another possible nerve agent attack in the UK. Watch for breaking news...
Could still be drugs and an overreaction, but clearly something was a bit off for the police to react as they have done so.0 -
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Are you sure it was only one bottle?SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night ...
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out.0 -
Yes, we saw that on facebook. Judging by some of the people saying they're going it looks to be a hell of a party.MaxPB said:
Oh nice, I'll get a few of those. Hosting an engagement party/BBQ this weekend at my parent's place so will pop a few of those I'm sure.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
http://www.ministryofdrinks.co.uk/?product=tapiz-malbec-rose-extra-brut-nv
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"Our victories"? You've taken off your SoCal hat then?Charles said:
Our victories in the Seven Years War and the War of Spanish Succession were fairly comprehensiveNigelb said:
Almost as perverse as claiming England won the World Wars...RobD said:
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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Wasn't the Novichok attack near Porton Down?surby said:
Apparently, it was drug related. This might give Putin [ or his spokesperson Trump ] the perfect opportunity to have a go at us. Unless Russians were involved. The fact remains that this place is close Porton Down. I would say the chance of any funny business is less than 1% - bot not 0%.MTimT said:Reports of another possible nerve agent attack in the UK. Watch for breaking news...
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Lol, who else is having a party this weekend?TOPPING said:
Yes, we saw that on facebook. Judging by some of the people saying they're going it looks to be a hell of a party.MaxPB said:
Oh nice, I'll get a few of those. Hosting an engagement party/BBQ this weekend at my parent's place so will pop a few of those I'm sure.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
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Update on the collapsed couple.
Apparently they went to a family fun day. Went home, one collapsed, ambulance called, later other felt unwell, ambulance called again.
Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess are believed to have attended a family fun day at Amesbury Baptist Church on Saturday afternoon before they were found unconscious in the property they had just moved into.
So this was at the weekend.0 -
"Tom Newton Dunn
Verified account @tnewtondunn
Latest: Amesbury couple were poisoned. Porton Down analysing samples now to determine if by same batch of nerve agent used in Sergei Skripal assassination attempt"0 -
I am actually going to a Colombian friend on Saturday afternoon. If he has forgiven us.MaxPB said:
Lol, who else is having a party this weekend?TOPPING said:
Yes, we saw that on facebook. Judging by some of the people saying they're going it looks to be a hell of a party.MaxPB said:
Oh nice, I'll get a few of those. Hosting an engagement party/BBQ this weekend at my parent's place so will pop a few of those I'm sure.SeanT said:
The best value fizz in the world, right now, is this sparkling Argie Malbec rose extra brut: Tapiz.TOPPING said:
v good. Down from what? Seems that Nyetimber can't live in a world where they charge £30-40 when you can pick up a bottle of Bolly if you look carefully for £30.MaxPB said:Just went into Waitrose and picked up 3 bottles of Nyetimber for £26 each. Great value!
Still by far the best and best value champagne out there btw, and good for parties (and weddings!!!) is Laytons Champagne.
I kid you not. I had a bottle from Oddbins (for £15) last night, at a picnic. Superb. Absolutely superb. Knocks any champagne under £40 - pink or blonde - right out of the park.
Unsurprisingly, Oddbins now seem to have sold out. But you can get it here:
http://www.ministryofdrinks.co.uk/?product=tapiz-malbec-rose-extra-brut-nv
The commentator remarked, last night, how surprising it was to see whole families including small children in the crowd partying at the game. Not if you know Colombians, it wasn't.0 -
Surnames of the couple doesn’t scream Russian double agent.AndyJS said:"Tom Newton Dunn
Verified account @tnewtondunn
Latest: Amesbury couple were poisoned. Porton Down analysing samples now to determine if by same batch of nerve agent used in Sergei Skripal assassination attempt"0 -
Sounds like it could have been food poisoning, also. Wonder if there was any potted meat or fish involved.FrancisUrquhart said:Update on the collapsed couple.
Apparently they went to a family fun day. Went home, one collapsed, ambulance called, later other felt unwell, ambulance called again.
Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess are believed to have attended a family fun day at Amesbury Baptist Church on Saturday afternoon before they were found unconscious in the property they had just moved into.
So this was at the weekend.0 -
Daily mail has description of the friend that saw them, it wasn’t food poisoning. It sounds like drugs and apparently they were known drug users, but clearly the authorities think something is off.MTimT said:
Sounds like it could have been food poisoning, also. Wonder if there was any potted meat or fish involved.FrancisUrquhart said:Update on the collapsed couple.
Apparently they went to a family fun day. Went home, one collapsed, ambulance called, later other felt unwell, ambulance called again.
Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess are believed to have attended a family fun day at Amesbury Baptist Church on Saturday afternoon before they were found unconscious in the property they had just moved into.
So this was at the weekend.
Given they went to hospital on Saturday, I presume tests have come back with something that has caused alarm.0 -
Random thought - looking at those numbers I wondered if nations with big football audiences are routinely overpriced, and that you could turn a profit by backing smaller countries systematically. Or is that something so obvious that punters already factor it in?AndyJS said:Betfair exchange:
Sweden 4.9
England 1.97
Draw 3.4
Russia 4.1
Croatia 2.28
Draw 3.1
Uruguay 4.8
France 2.04
Draw 3.25
Brazil 2.2
Belgium 3.8
Draw 3.5
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Random Wimbledon observations: 1
The Nike range for women this year is horrible. It looks unflattering and as Martina Navratilova said in commentary, impractical.
Quite an achievement.
Adidas seem to have partnered with different external design houses with far greater success.0 -
PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.0 -
Random Wimbledon observations: 2
Is it necessary for the commentators to be located courtside?
I know it's traditional, but given it's a TV sport could they not do it at least as well by watching screens?
Like cycling. Or golf. Or bizarrely athletics. The commentators sit in the stadium, but the field event commentary is often to playback0 -
Off-topic:
What a glorious Fourth of July. My car was in for a service so I spent a few hours walking from Cambridge down to Grantchester and around in a loop. Lots of people dressed up in stars and stripes - and a couple as colonial soldiers - on the meadows and in the river, and plenty of other fun in the sun.
Oh, and a fair few pieces of 'Free Tommy' graffiti. And one, in the same hand, saying 'Flat earth bible'.0 -
Certain types of food poisoning involve nerve agents. Saxitoxin, botulism etc...FrancisUrquhart said:
Daily mail has description of the friend that saw them, it wasn’t food poisoning. It sounds like drugs and apparently they were known drug users, but clearly the authorities think something is off.MTimT said:
Sounds like it could have been food poisoning, also. Wonder if there was any potted meat or fish involved.FrancisUrquhart said:Update on the collapsed couple.
Apparently they went to a family fun day. Went home, one collapsed, ambulance called, later other felt unwell, ambulance called again.
Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess are believed to have attended a family fun day at Amesbury Baptist Church on Saturday afternoon before they were found unconscious in the property they had just moved into.
So this was at the weekend.
Given they went to hospital on Saturday, I presume tests have come back with something that has caused alarm.0 -
Much luck and keep up the good work, NickNickPalmer said:PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.0 -
Couple of days ago the dogs started barking and would not stop. We live on a very rural street and can see no neighbors from front or back of house. Eventually, I investigated as to causing of incessant barking.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
What a glorious Fourth of July. My car was in for a service so I spent a few hours walking from Cambridge down to Grantchester and around in a loop. Lots of people dressed up in stars and stripes - and a couple as colonial soldiers - on the meadows and in the river, and plenty of other fun in the sun.
Oh, and a fair few pieces of 'Free Tommy' graffiti. And one, in the same hand, saying 'Flat earth bible'.
A troop of 10 colonial soldiers, with muskets and early US flag, marching single file down the road with a purpose. God know where they were going, what they were re-enacting.0 -
Congratulations on the appointment Nick!NickPalmer said:PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.
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Also picked up some strawberries from Sainsbury's, they've got Driscoll's Jubilee ones in. They really are the best variety, worth the premium over standard ones.0
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Good luck, a worthy cause!NickPalmer said:PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.0 -
Many congratulations! Sounds like a really worthwhile, if demanding, role.NickPalmer said:PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.0 -
Congrats, Mr. Palmer.0
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Sounds like we need to despatch some royalist soldiers to crush this rebellion in its infancy.MTimT said:
Couple of days ago the dogs started barking and would not stop. We live on a very rural street and can see no neighbors from front or back of house. Eventually, I investigated as to causing of incessant barking.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
What a glorious Fourth of July. My car was in for a service so I spent a few hours walking from Cambridge down to Grantchester and around in a loop. Lots of people dressed up in stars and stripes - and a couple as colonial soldiers - on the meadows and in the river, and plenty of other fun in the sun.
Oh, and a fair few pieces of 'Free Tommy' graffiti. And one, in the same hand, saying 'Flat earth bible'.
A troop of 10 colonial soldiers, with muskets and early US flag, marching single file down the road with a purpose. God know where they were going, what they were re-enacting.
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I'm a Brit who lives in London. I have a holiday home in SoCal.williamglenn said:
"Our victories"? You've taken off your SoCal hat then?Charles said:
Our victories in the Seven Years War and the War of Spanish Succession were fairly comprehensiveNigelb said:
Almost as perverse as claiming England won the World Wars...RobD said:
I wonder how long it will be before the EU try to claim they've won it 10 times, much as they tried to do with the Olympics?Sandpit said:
Two World Wars and TWO World Cups!MaxPB said:
Doesn't it just means we can bang on about '18 for another 52 years?Scott_P said:
The principle advantage of Engerland winning is you might finally STFU about '66...MaxPB said:Yes, same here. Even if we lose, I think the team and management can come back proud of what they have achieved. A win would be amazing though, first semi-final for 28 years!
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It’s certainly true that a bookmaker’s odds can be distorted by sheer weight of money for one side of a bet, leading to a cut in price. One might imagine that England playing a World Cup match might be the ultimate expression of that theory.Recidivist said:
Random thought - looking at those numbers I wondered if nations with big football audiences are routinely overpriced, and that you could turn a profit by backing smaller countries systematically. Or is that something so obvious that punters already factor it in?AndyJS said:Betfair exchange:
Sweden 4.9
England 1.97
Draw 3.4
Russia 4.1
Croatia 2.28
Draw 3.1
Uruguay 4.8
France 2.04
Draw 3.25
Brazil 2.2
Belgium 3.8
Draw 3.5
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/competition/5614746
It would be an interesting exercise to look at what were the starting prices with, for example, a Vegas Sports Book, compared to the British bookies and Betfair for last night’s match. If my theory is right you’d have got better odds from the ‘neutral’ US bookie.0 -
So Policy doesn't include compassion? Or is Compassion not policy?NickPalmer said:PBers who like my animal welfare work even if they take a dim view of some of my other thoughts may be pleased to know I've just been appointed Head of Compassion in World Farming UK (was previously just responsible for policy) - with 15 staff and hundreds of thousands of active supporters, it's the largest challenge I've ever had, and I really look forward to it.
It does help that both major parties are currently so open to change on the issue. We are hoping that Michael Gove stays in post, regardless of what else happens this week - he's done more to shake up thinking in the area than any previous incumbent.
(congratulations, by the way)0
