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williamglenn said:

it would be collective insanity not to use that moment to step back and rethink where we're going.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Yorkcity said:

Anazina said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.

I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.

You suspect wrongly.

May is going nowhere.

Totally agree their bluff will be called at last.

Now is the time for TM to go for it

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.

I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.

Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic

Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!

Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.

I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*

Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.

Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.

Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.

Old Trafford's full, but not, in spite of Bumble, rammed. And a lot are Indian supporters, who might be expected to prefer cricket to football.
And there are OKC family issues about three Fi's on the trot.

Casino_Royale said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:

If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.

I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.

Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic

Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon

It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.

It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.

It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.

ralphmalph said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

ralphmalph said:

Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills?
The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.

He also wants to lead the party and he will not side with the hard Brexiteers

Then his chances of leading the party are decreased. Oh no another May will be the chorus.

Casino_Royale said:

It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk.

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/thehistoryguy/status/1014177283035353088

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RobD said:

OldKingCole said:

RobD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Good afternoon, everyone.

Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?

[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].

On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.

Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?

When we the last time they had a Navy?

1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy

The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!

Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.

I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*

Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.

Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.

Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.

Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think

This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.

Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash, it must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!

Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.

I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*

Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.

Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.

Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.

Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think

This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.

Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily.
Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!

Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.

I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*

Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.

Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.

Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.

Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think

This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.

Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily.
Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.

The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk.

Walk to what? How would the new PM handle Northern Ireland and Scotland?

MaxPB said:

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

Pulpstar said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!

Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.

I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*

Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.

Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.

Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.

Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think

This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.

Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily.
Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.

The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.

Unsurprising move from those inflexible toffs. They probably don't even know what football is.

SandyRentool said:

rottenborough said:

williamglenn said:

If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.

Finally, maybe we seem to be getting to the point where May grows a spine and tells the nutters to FO and see if they can bring down the government.

I'd rather she grew a spine and told the apparatchiks in Brussels to FO.

But of course she won't do that because she is a Remainer.

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.

A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.

I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.

I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.

The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.

Sandpit said:

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.

A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.

I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.

I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.

The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.

Agree with the Super Bowl, as it is half of the US takes the next day ‘sick’, for the rest of the world it’s a real nightmare to try and watch it. Maybe there might be some movement on the time when there’s a London NFL team, an hour or two would make all the difference.

Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

tlg86 said:

Sandpit said:

All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.

A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.

I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.

I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.

The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.

Agree with the Super Bowl, as it is half of the US takes the next day ‘sick’, for the rest of the world it’s a real nightmare to try and watch it. Maybe there might be some movement on the time when there’s a London NFL team, an hour or two would make all the difference.

Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!

Blimey, if I'm not in bed by 10pm I really feel it the next day! I've enjoyed this World Cup more than the last one simply because the games are on earlier. That said, I will be missing the final as I'll be at the final day of the Scottish Open golf at Gullane.

Sandpit said:

Sandpit said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

England struggling in the T20 after Roy wicket.

Par score of 180-190 from here?

Questions to which the answer is no.

HYUFD said:

rkrkrk said:

HYUFD said:

rkrkrk said:

On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....

Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchanged

Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.

Corbyn is ideologically opposed to the single market as he has made clear on every occasion asked and he knows most Labour seats voted Leave hence he would also end free movement

tlg86 said:

Probably a red card, but not good from Henderson.

Richard_Tyndall said:

All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.

Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.

DavidL said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.

Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.

Rugby is just brilliant at referees. The continuous commentary, the respect that players have to give them, the consequences if they don’t. Football has a lot to learn.

archer101au said:

ralphmalph said:

Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills?
The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.

Quite. Javid is only getting popular because he is pretending to be a Brexiteer again. But if he starts hiding, his star will fade. If he wants to be Tory leader then he will indeed need to be seen to stand firm against May this week. If anything, Javid will need to go out of his way to prove to the members that he is reliable on Brexit given his history.

I think the history of the Tory leader polls simply show that Tory members will support whoever looks most likely to deliver a proper Hard Brexit at any point in time.

rkrkrk said:

HYUFD said:

rkrkrk said:

HYUFD said:

rkrkrk said:

On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....

Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchanged

Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.

Corbyn is ideologically opposed to the single market as he has made clear on every occasion asked and he knows most Labour seats voted Leave hence he would also end free movement

Clear isn't the word I would use to describe this for instance:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-38561501

This doesn't sound ideologically opposed to me:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-41230811/jeremy-corbyn-single-market-membership-open-for-discussion&hl=am-ET