Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
No Brexit is better than a Bad Brexit
I do not see a no Brexit
Why not? If we can achieve consensus that the deal that's achievable is a bad deal, it would be collective insanity not to use that moment to step back and rethink where we're going.
Not going to happen but remainers will get the opportunity to campaign to rejoin
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
He also wants to lead the party and he will not side with the hard Brexiteers
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
He also wants to lead the party and he will not side with the hard Brexiteers
Then his chances of leading the party are decreased. Oh no another May will be the chorus.
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Old Trafford's full, but not, in spite of Bumble, rammed. And a lot are Indian supporters, who might be expected to prefer cricket to football. And there are OKC family issues about three Fi's on the trot.
Ah yes, another good point that there are lots of Indians and Indian Brits in Manchester who won’t care about the footy. Mrs Sandpit isn’t the happiest about the three F1s either, but the following week is her birthday and we’re spending the weekend on the new QEII hotel
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Javid - Gove would be my ideal partnership but we will see this weekend if TM can make the biggest decision of her career and that includes the 2017 GE
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Also one of the main reasons May is weak is because they do not believe she will be leader at the next election. Get somebody new in and that changes and can create more unity.
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Javid - Gove would be my ideal partnership but we will see this weekend if TM can make the biggest decision of her career and that includes the 2017 GE
She can make the decision, the question is can she handle/manage the fall out?
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
He also wants to lead the party and he will not side with the hard Brexiteers
Then his chances of leading the party are decreased. Oh no another May will be the chorus.
He is a million miles away from May and right now is in pole position including with the membership
If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmetic
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soon
It wouldn’t change the parliamentary arithmetic.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Also one of the main reasons May is weak is because they do not believe she will be leader at the next election. Get somebody new in and that changes and can create more unity.
She’s weak because she blew GE2017.
But, I’m not convinced a “strong” May would have been much better. She’d have bullied her own Government and MPs, and tried to do the same to the EU too, with a strong majority, egged on by Timothy and Hill.
She might have been even more likely to be defenestred.
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk.
Walk to what? How would the new PM handle Northern Ireland and Scotland?
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk.
Walk to what? How would the new PM handle Northern Ireland and Scotland?
Mind you, if we were to reverse the decision and stay in and then had a hard Brexiteer PM could you imagine how that would go down in Brussels. They already have problems with Italy and the Visegrad Countries and are likely to face a big swing to hard left and hard right MEP's in the 2019 EU elections
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash, it must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash, it must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
Just ask organisers of jez-fest ;-)
Did that actually clash with anything, or was it just a badly planned and overhyped event?
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.
Unsurprising move from those inflexible toffs. They probably don't even know what football is.
On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....
Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchanged
Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.
Corbyn is ideologically opposed to the single market as he has made clear on every occasion asked and he knows most Labour seats voted Leave hence he would also end free movement
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk.
Walk to what? How would the new PM handle Northern Ireland and Scotland?
Well the former has a Unionist First Minister albeit with a suspended executive and the latter is heading for a Unionist majority at Holyrood in 2021 on current polling
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled. I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out! To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.
Wimbledon and the British Grand Prix are always the same day I think
This year the Wimbledon final gets to clash with the Goodwood Festival of Speed and the World Cup Final.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily. Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
The All England Club have stubbornly refused to move the start time of the men's singles final. A whole Digital Spy thread was dedicated to working out what the BBC would do if Murray was in the tennis final and England were in the football final. Tennis on 2 in my opinion.
Unsurprising move from those inflexible toffs. They probably don't even know what football is.
Amazing that Nadal and Federer are #1 and #2 in the world still. The men's game will feel a bit lost when they're retired.
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
There's a very decent series of novels by John Biggins about a sailor in the last years of the Austro Hungarian navy.
When I lived there in 1990-1994 there was some sort of Austrian Naval thing that patrolled the Danube - it wasn't the police and people I know used to refer to it ironically as 'the navy' - I presume it was part of the customs or something
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
The Wimbledon men's final could be over by 4pm or still be going at 7pm. So little point in moving it as it might still clash anyway. Tickets are bought plans are in place and for those attending travel plans booked.
It's highly unlikely as well there will be a competitor in the men's final from one of the finalists in the World Cup anyway - no disrespect to Kyle Edmund - as Spain and Switzerland are out.
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
Agree with the Super Bowl, as it is half of the US takes the next day ‘sick’, for the rest of the world it’s a real nightmare to try and watch it. Maybe there might be some movement on the time when there’s a London NFL team, an hour or two would make all the difference.
Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
Agree with the Super Bowl, as it is half of the US takes the next day ‘sick’, for the rest of the world it’s a real nightmare to try and watch it. Maybe there might be some movement on the time when there’s a London NFL team, an hour or two would make all the difference.
Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!
Blimey, if I'm not in bed by 10pm I really feel it the next day! I've enjoyed this World Cup more than the last one simply because the games are on earlier. That said, I will be missing the final as I'll be at the final day of the Scottish Open golf at Gullane.
All moot now but yes, they’d have no choice but to move the tennis to BBC2, as they have done in the past when play runs very late or spills into unplanned days due to rain etc.
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I suppose Edmund could do something - though bumping an Englishman to BBC2 wouldn't have quite the same controversy.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
Agree with the Super Bowl, as it is half of the US takes the next day ‘sick’, for the rest of the world it’s a real nightmare to try and watch it. Maybe there might be some movement on the time when there’s a London NFL team, an hour or two would make all the difference.
Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!
Blimey, if I'm not in bed by 10pm I really feel it the next day! I've enjoyed this World Cup more than the last one simply because the games are on earlier. That said, I will be missing the final as I'll be at the final day of the Scottish Open golf at Gullane.
Not every night, but when your team is in the latter stages of the Champions’ League... Yes, Western Russia is a good time zone for me too, matches start at 5 and finish by midnight.
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Andrew Bridgen says: “The SNP are the Millwall of Brexit. Everyone hates them and they don’t care”
Still trying to work out why 600 MP's want 17.4M to vote UKIP at the next election. Did they not notice what happened in Scotland?
Obviously they haven’t yet understood that if they thought the referendum result was a protest against the Establishment, holding one and then not implementing the result might not go down too well either...
On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....
Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchanged
Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.
Corbyn is ideologically opposed to the single market as he has made clear on every occasion asked and he knows most Labour seats voted Leave hence he would also end free movement
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
Rugby is just brilliant at referees. The continuous commentary, the respect that players have to give them, the consequences if they don’t. Football has a lot to learn.
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
Kane is a class act as Captain. So glad its no longer Rooney
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
Rugby is just brilliant at referees. The continuous commentary, the respect that players have to give them, the consequences if they don’t. Football has a lot to learn.
Very true. It really puts people off football too.
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
Rugby is just brilliant at referees. The continuous commentary, the respect that players have to give them, the consequences if they don’t. Football has a lot to learn.
We’ve all been saying that for decades, but it never changes.
A few players getting a second yellow at this stage for not keeping their mouth shut would fix it straight away.
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
Quite. Javid is only getting popular because he is pretending to be a Brexiteer again. But if he starts hiding, his star will fade. If he wants to be Tory leader then he will indeed need to be seen to stand firm against May this week. If anything, Javid will need to go out of his way to prove to the members that he is reliable on Brexit given his history.
I think the history of the Tory leader polls simply show that Tory members will support whoever looks most likely to deliver a proper Hard Brexit at any point in time.
All this talking to the ref really should be stopped. They need the same rule as they have in rugby where the only players who are supposed to talk to the referee are the captains of each team.
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
Rugby is just brilliant at referees. The continuous commentary, the respect that players have to give them, the consequences if they don’t. Football has a lot to learn.
We’ve all been saying that for decades, but it never changes.
A few players getting a second yellow at this stage for not keeping their mouth shut would fix it straight away.
Indeed. A 6ft 6 prop standing there with his hands behind his back while the ref berates him is (a) hilarious and (b) very, very good for the sport.
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
Quite. Javid is only getting popular because he is pretending to be a Brexiteer again. But if he starts hiding, his star will fade. If he wants to be Tory leader then he will indeed need to be seen to stand firm against May this week. If anything, Javid will need to go out of his way to prove to the members that he is reliable on Brexit given his history.
I think the history of the Tory leader polls simply show that Tory members will support whoever looks most likely to deliver a proper Hard Brexit at any point in time.
Friday seems to be a perfect opportunity for Javid to get his size 10's on and give the PM a good kicking as he is a Brexiteer now. Will we see some leaderships skills from Mr Javid or will he hide behind the sofa again. Then there is Williamson he is now a committed Brexiteer, we he mutiny out of conviction and to show leaderships skills? The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
Quite. Javid is only getting popular because he is pretending to be a Brexiteer again. But if he starts hiding, his star will fade. If he wants to be Tory leader then he will indeed need to be seen to stand firm against May this week. If anything, Javid will need to go out of his way to prove to the members that he is reliable on Brexit given his history.
I think the history of the Tory leader polls simply show that Tory members will support whoever looks most likely to deliver a proper Hard Brexit at any point in time.
On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....
Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchanged
Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.
Corbyn is ideologically opposed to the single market as he has made clear on every occasion asked and he knows most Labour seats voted Leave hence he would also end free movement
Nope, your first link sees Corbyn make clear 'Labour is not wedded to freedom of movement for EU citizens as a point of principle' and '"Changes to the way migration rules operate from the EU will be part of the negotiations."
Your second link does not work but Corbyn has been abundantly clear the single market does not respect the Leave vote and he opposes staying in it 'There are directives and obligations linked to the single market, such as state aid rules and requirements to liberalise and privatise public services, which we would not want to see as part of a post-Brexit relationship.”
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The sub plots are the most interesting aspect of Friday.
Suck it up...
It could certainly change political and leadership competence at the centre. It could also drive more confidence into negotiations that May lacks, including greater preparations to walk. It would also give the new PM control of the Treasury since he (it will very probably be a he) would be unlikely to retain Hammond.
It doesn’t change the hand of the cards. But a new PM might play them much better. The candidate would be Javid backed by Gove.
Mrs Sandpit isn’t the happiest about the three F1s either, but the following week is her birthday and we’re spending the weekend on the new QEII hotel
But, I’m not convinced a “strong” May would have been much better. She’d have bullied her own Government and MPs, and tried to do the same to the EU too, with a strong majority, egged on by Timothy and Hill.
She might have been even more likely to be defenestred.
Yes, the tennis and F1 do often clash. It must be a nightmare trying to organise events around all the key social and sporting fixtures, working out which clashes will take audience away from yours or give local problems with policing, and which might co-exist happily.
Even Prince Harry managed to end up with his wedding on FA Cup Final day.
But of course she won't do that because she is a Remainer.
This is a fascinating story: Devon's 'missing' standing stones.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/the-lost-standing-stones-of-devon-are-still-hiding-from-archaeologists/
A lot of sport is now organised around an increasingly international TV audience - the Premier league schedule is pretty much entirely in the hands of the TV companies, F1 European races are starting at ten past an hour later than last season to help the TV schedulers and US audience, even in the football World Cup they used to play the knockout rounds simultaneously but TV won that argument too.
I guess the World Cup Final is kicking off at 16:00 BST for the benefit of those in the Far East - though it will still be quite late there.
The one that I'd like to see change is the Super Bowl. It would be so much better if they could play it on a Saturday night rather than a Sunday night.
It's highly unlikely as well there will be a competitor in the men's final from one of the finalists in the World Cup anyway - no disrespect to Kyle Edmund - as Spain and Switzerland are out.
Living in different time zones has a funny effect on how you watch sports, with go-to-pub games being stay-in games and vice-versa. Out here the biggest one you notice is weekday evening football, especiallly when the time difference changes as the UK change their clocks. There’s a big difference between a match that finishes at 12:45am and one that finishes at 1:45am when you’re at work the next day!
Yes, Western Russia is a good time zone for me too, matches start at 5 and finish by midnight.
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Apparently there is some football match on at the moment (who knew) and MPs are whining that the SNP are making them vote over hundreds of millions of pounds of government expenditure instead.
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Andrew Bridgen says: “The SNP are the Millwall of Brexit. Everyone hates them and they don’t care”
And that the Tories are on a 3 Lion Whip
Answer: The Oval, Kennington.
Yes, 160 too easy these days. India 1.4 (2/5 in old money) to make the runs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-38561501
This doesn't sound ideologically opposed to me:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-41230811/jeremy-corbyn-single-market-membership-open-for-discussion&hl=am-ET
Good to see Kane continually trying to defuse the situation and pull his players away though.
A few players getting a second yellow at this stage for not keeping their mouth shut would fix it straight away.
I think the history of the Tory leader polls simply show that Tory members will support whoever looks most likely to deliver a proper Hard Brexit at any point in time.
Are you even a conservative?
Your second link does not work but Corbyn has been abundantly clear the single market does not respect the Leave vote and he opposes staying in it 'There are directives and obligations linked to the single market, such as state aid rules and requirements to liberalise and privatise public services, which we would not want to see as part of a post-Brexit relationship.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/07/jeremy-corbyn-says-uk-should-reject-key-aspects-of-single-market-after-brexit