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Northamptonshire/Buckinghamshire to be precise.Sandpit said:
As opposed to Hamilton being the favourite for the next race in Northamptonshire at the weekend?bigjohnowls said:BREXIT Time is the Fav in the next race at Hamilton 6/5 i am on
DYOR
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The main powers were Spain, and its satellites, and Venice.OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].0 -
So glad I have an iPhone.
Samsung phones are randomly sending photos to contacts - reports
In a statement the South Korean company said it was investigating the issue, which seems to be affecting the Samsung Message app.
https://news.sky.com/story/samsung-phones-are-randomly-sending-photos-to-contacts-reports-11424581?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
Look on the bright side at least these Samsung phones aren't exploding and leading to fires this time.0 -
Frighteningly, the app doesn't even show users that the files have been sent - they're only finding out when they get a response from the recipient of the random photos.0
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'Christian' fleet commanded by Admiral John of Austria,RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
And according to Wikipedia, they weren’t involved.0 -
This game isn't exactly an exhbition of world class striking at the moment.0
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Colombia won't be frightened about either side in the Quarters.Pulpstar said:This game isn't exactly an exhbition of world class striking at the moment.
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Well that's my cue to head off to Old Trafford.0
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Smart arse! Yes the county line runs through the middle of the site.tlg86 said:
Northamptonshire/Buckinghamshire to be precise.Sandpit said:
As opposed to Hamilton being the favourite for the next race in Northamptonshire at the weekend?bigjohnowls said:BREXIT Time is the Fav in the next race at Hamilton 6/5 i am on
DYOR
Sadly I’m not going to make it back to Blighty for the F1 nor the Goodwood Festival this year
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This one isn’t quite Japan vs Belgium .....0
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To be fair, the official address is Northamptonshire, presumably because the old pits, BRDC building and main entrance are at that end of the circuit.Sandpit said:
Smart arse! Yes the county line runs through the middle of the site.tlg86 said:
Northamptonshire/Buckinghamshire to be precise.Sandpit said:
As opposed to Hamilton being the favourite for the next race in Northamptonshire at the weekend?bigjohnowls said:BREXIT Time is the Fav in the next race at Hamilton 6/5 i am on
DYOR
Sadly I’m not going to make it back to Blighty for the F1 nor the Goodwood Festival this year0 -
Who wasn't particularly Austrian aside from being a Habsburg bastard.OldKingCole said:
'Christian' fleet commanded by Admiral John of Austria,RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
And according to Wikipedia, they weren’t involved.
The Austrian navy did win a notable victory over the Italians at Lissa in 18660 -
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You've evidently forgotten this:TheScreamingEagles said:So glad I have an iPhone.
Samsung phones are randomly sending photos to contacts - reports
In a statement the South Korean company said it was investigating the issue, which seems to be affecting the Samsung Message app.
https://news.sky.com/story/samsung-phones-are-randomly-sending-photos-to-contacts-reports-11424581?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
Look on the bright side at least these Samsung phones aren't exploding and leading to fires this time.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3239047/apple-mac/what-to-do-about-apples-shameful-mac-security-flaw.html
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Our boys have been playing Fortnite for 9 solid days.TheScreamingEagles said:
Colombia won't be frightened about either side in the Quarters.Pulpstar said:This game isn't exactly an exhbition of world class striking at the moment.
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Mr. Pulpstar, no PUBG? H1Z1?0
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SUpporters not exactly rushing back to their seats for the second half.0
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Why inverted commas? It undoubtedly was. In any case, he was in the service of Spain.OldKingCole said:
'Christian' fleet commanded by Admiral John of Austria,RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
And according to Wikipedia, they weren’t involved.0 -
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.0 -
And whilst on the subject of tech fuckwittideness:
"Google has confirmed that private emails sent and received by Gmail users can sometimes be read by third-party app developers."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-446992630 -
Not 14?Pulpstar said:
Our boys have been playing Fortnite for 9 solid days.TheScreamingEagles said:
Colombia won't be frightened about either side in the Quarters.Pulpstar said:This game isn't exactly an exhbition of world class striking at the moment.
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Will that push the ERG over the top?williamglenn said:0 -
WTF? Members of the Labour party threatened to kill Jews? Is that what this implies?TheScreamingEagles said:Threats to kill!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/10141440514766479370 -
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This really is a piss poor game.0
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from the graun; "The MP for Sheffield Hallam is among more than 70 cases that will be considered by the NEC’s disputes panel on Tuesday, which examines all complaints deemed serious enough to warrant official sanction.rottenborough said:
WTF? Members of the Labour party threatened to kill Jews? Is that what this implies?TheScreamingEagles said:Threats to kill!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1014144051476647937
The vast majority are complaints involving antisemitism, including calls for Jews to be murdered, sources said.
“Some of the stuff they will have to wade through is awful, some is straightforward Holocaust denial,” one party source said. “We’d expect most of them to be referred for expulsion but there is already a huge backlog of cases.”0 -
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.0 -
Convenient it is on the day of the big England game.JonnyJimmy said:
from the graun; "The MP for Sheffield Hallam is among more than 70 cases that will be considered by the NEC’s disputes panel on Tuesday, which examines all complaints deemed serious enough to warrant official sanction.rottenborough said:
WTF? Members of the Labour party threatened to kill Jews? Is that what this implies?TheScreamingEagles said:Threats to kill!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1014144051476647937
The vast majority are complaints involving antisemitism, including calls for Jews to be murdered, sources said.
“Some of the stuff they will have to wade through is awful, some is straightforward Holocaust denial,” one party source said. “We’d expect most of them to be referred for expulsion but there is already a huge backlog of cases.”0 -
Sweden saving their most creative work for their own penalty area.FrancisUrquhart said:This really is a piss poor game.
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Lucky Sweden....get a deflection for 1-00
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“Some of the stuff they will have to wade through is awful, some is straightforward Holocaust denial,”JonnyJimmy said:
from the graun; "The MP for Sheffield Hallam is among more than 70 cases that will be considered by the NEC’s disputes panel on Tuesday, which examines all complaints deemed serious enough to warrant official sanction.rottenborough said:
WTF? Members of the Labour party threatened to kill Jews? Is that what this implies?TheScreamingEagles said:Threats to kill!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1014144051476647937
The vast majority are complaints involving antisemitism, including calls for Jews to be murdered, sources said.
“Some of the stuff they will have to wade through is awful, some is straightforward Holocaust denial,” one party source said. “We’d expect most of them to be referred for expulsion but there is already a huge backlog of cases.”
Holocaust denial is such vanilla antisemitism these days in Labour, eh?0 -
Well it was never going to be a beautiful length of the field flowing move.MarqueeMark said:Lucky Sweden....get a deflection for 1-0
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Sweden didn't really deserve to score there.0
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QED.Richard_Tyndall said:
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
Completely misunderstood the dynamic, geopolitical context, and history of NI/RoI and reduced to inane rantings.
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Can someone please tell the replays man/woman to stop showing so many when play has already started. It's getting a bit annoying: it's happened at every match so far.0
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No. Complaints about comments that are anti-semitism. Complaints about threats to kill. Though from what I saw some of the antisemites may also be the people threatening to kill the people pointing out that their "we aren't antisemitic stop attacking Jeremy you Tory" comments were antisemitic...rottenborough said:
WTF? Members of the Labour party threatened to kill Jews? Is that what this implies?TheScreamingEagles said:Threats to kill!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/10141440514766479370 -
Ah come on. Who actually uses any of the manufacturer shite apps? Samsung Messenger? Isn't that what WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger are for? I don't currently have a Galaxy phone, but on my Galaxy Tab thing all the proprietry stuff gets uninstalled or disabled from the get go.TheScreamingEagles said:So glad I have an iPhone.
Samsung phones are randomly sending photos to contacts - reports
In a statement the South Korean company said it was investigating the issue, which seems to be affecting the Samsung Message app.
https://news.sky.com/story/samsung-phones-are-randomly-sending-photos-to-contacts-reports-11424581?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
Look on the bright side at least these Samsung phones aren't exploding and leading to fires this time.0 -
I don't think England will be complaining too much about potentially playing Sweden in the next round if they can beat Colombia.0
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Sweden under the cosh here.0
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Come on folks - why don't you both kiss and make up ( figuratively speaking)TOPPING said:
QED.Richard_Tyndall said:
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
Completely misunderstood the dynamic, geopolitical context, and history of NI/RoI and reduced to inane rantings.
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It seems pretty clear that the four strongest teams left in the tournament are in the other half of the draw. Of course, that also means that Sweden, Croatia, etc, are not exactly worried about potentially playing England either.AndyJS said:I don't think England will be complaining too much about potentially playing Sweden in the next round if they can beat Colombia.
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Big G I appreciate your intervention. Richard is evidently quite troubled in some way I don't think we should intrude upon. I am very happy to be the recipient of his rantings if it in some way brings him even limited relief.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Come on folks - why don't you both kiss and make up ( figuratively speaking)TOPPING said:
QED.Richard_Tyndall said:
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
Completely misunderstood the dynamic, geopolitical context, and history of NI/RoI and reduced to inane rantings.
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1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
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Peston's conclusion is that rejecting May's vision results in EEA. I don't know where he gets that from....?
I want to see the details of the plan, but as an importer currently concerned by an overreaching EU bureaucracy that doesn't understand a) my business or b) that stamps and photographs were not created in the eighteenth century or c) that there is basically no need for the legislation whatsoever, the idea of staying in the customs union by the back door is concerning.0 -
The canton of Zürich won a naval battle against the Old Swiss Confederacy, in the Old Zürich WarMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].0 -
Just as long as they were more successful than one of our first turret designs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Captain_(1869)
Mind you, the idea of having a ship with masts and turrets always seems a little dangerous... 0 -
The Guardian have quoted Rees-Mogg as saying that:
I know that such patterns are there to be broken, but I think that would restrict the pool of candidates to:Jacob Rees-Mogg MP said:The Conservative party in office has always, since [1920s leader Stanley] Baldwin, elected a former chancellor, home secretary or foreign secretary.
Hammond
Boris
Javid
Rudd
Both Hague and Osborne would be on that list if still MPs, but they aren't, so I haven't included them.
Thoughts?
Edit: I suppose Ken Clarke would fit the criteria too!0 -
Yes, but could they moor their ships well?JonnyJimmy said:
The canton of Zürich won a naval battle against the Old Swiss Confederacy, in the Old Zürich WarMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].0 -
Fully agree. This should be Labour policy - if it is not already. Point 3 is very importantrottenborough said:
"enshrine and enhance working rights, social and environmental protections which are currently based in EU law. These must be transferred into UK law through primary legislation, open and democratically."
This can only be done if we are in the EU. A Tory governemnt can always change such protections together with a supine HoL.0 -
You mean you never heard of dreadnought battleships? Named after HMS Dreadnought?JosiasJessop said:
Just as long as they were more successful than one of our first turret designs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Captain_(1869)
Mind you, the idea of having a ship with masts and turrets always seems a little dangerous...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought0 -
Pat Nevin is confident:
'If England play against that Sweden team, 99 times out of 100, they will beat them.'0 -
The Tegethoffs were also named after the admiral who brought wooden ships to an ironclad fight and won:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lissa_(1866)0 -
Thanks to a PB'ers past recommendation, I have DK Brown's excellent 'Warrior to Dreadnought' and 'Before the Ironclad' on my bookshelves ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
You mean you never heard of dreadnought battleships? Named after HMS Dreadnought?JosiasJessop said:
Just as long as they were more successful than one of our first turret designs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Captain_(1869)
Mind you, the idea of having a ship with masts and turrets always seems a little dangerous...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought
Oh, and we got married on HMS Warrior. So yes, I have heard of Dreadnoughts and many of the ships around that period. I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make, though ... 0 -
It does show that the Conservatives are likely to choose a candidate of unchallengeable experience. To your list you can add Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt and David Davis as potentially papabile, given their seniority and (in the former two cases) the length of their experience. As of today's date I can't see beyond those.OblitusSumMe said:The Guardian have quoted Rees-Mogg as saying that:
I know that such patterns are there to be broken, but I think that would restrict the pool of candidates to:Jacob Rees-Mogg MP said:The Conservative party in office has always, since [1920s leader Stanley] Baldwin, elected a former chancellor, home secretary or foreign secretary.
Hammond
Boris
Javid
Rudd
Both Hague and Osborne would be on that list if still MPs, but they aren't, so I haven't included them.
Thoughts?
Edit: I suppose Ken Clarke would fit the criteria too!0 -
Good to have humour. We all need a bit of light reliefTOPPING said:
Big G I appreciate your intervention. Richard is evidently quite troubled in some way I don't think we should intrude upon. I am very happy to be the recipient of his rantings if it in some way brings him even limited relief.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Come on folks - why don't you both kiss and make up ( figuratively speaking)TOPPING said:
QED.Richard_Tyndall said:
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
Completely misunderstood the dynamic, geopolitical context, and history of NI/RoI and reduced to inane rantings.
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Jared O'Mara and Tom Watson. Labour's regrettable thug tendency in full effect today...0
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Good article by PestonExiledInScotland said:
Will that push the ERG over the top?williamglenn said:0 -
Looks pretty indistinguishable to Labour policy to me.surby said:
Fully agree. This should be Labour policy - if it is not already. Point 3 is very importantrottenborough said:
"enshrine and enhance working rights, social and environmental protections which are currently based in EU law. These must be transferred into UK law through primary legislation, open and democratically."
This can only be done if we are in the EU. A Tory governemnt can always change such protections together with a supine HoL.
I think this is a much more fruitful line than another referendum, which is both unlikely to happen in time and unlikely to be successful.0 -
They'd want to with the number of pikemen they used to fit on themJosiasJessop said:
Yes, but could they moor their ships well?JonnyJimmy said:
The canton of Zürich won a naval battle against the Old Swiss Confederacy, in the Old Zürich WarMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
and the rafts too
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Ken is retiring at the next election and Javid not only has my vote, but I suspect the majority of us members at this time. I would not exclude Gove eitherOblitusSumMe said:The Guardian have quoted Rees-Mogg as saying that:
I know that such patterns are there to be broken, but I think that would restrict the pool of candidates to:Jacob Rees-Mogg MP said:The Conservative party in office has always, since [1920s leader Stanley] Baldwin, elected a former chancellor, home secretary or foreign secretary.
Hammond
Boris
Javid
Rudd
Both Hague and Osborne would be on that list if still MPs, but they aren't, so I haven't included them.
Thoughts?
Edit: I suppose Ken Clarke would fit the criteria too!0 -
That top picture shows one heck of an orgy. A lot of pricks and a few bug guns ready to go off. And only six condoms ...JonnyJimmy said:
They'd want to with the number of pikemen they used to fit on themJosiasJessop said:
Yes, but could they moor their ships well?JonnyJimmy said:
The canton of Zürich won a naval battle against the Old Swiss Confederacy, in the Old Zürich WarMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
and the rafts too
Mind you, they're a bit odd. They appear to have their breasts on their shoulders ...0 -
Mr. Jimmy, I was unaware of that, cheers 0
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For Richard, sadly, it's at not with.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good to have humour. We all need a bit of light reliefTOPPING said:
Big G I appreciate your intervention. Richard is evidently quite troubled in some way I don't think we should intrude upon. I am very happy to be the recipient of his rantings if it in some way brings him even limited relief.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Come on folks - why don't you both kiss and make up ( figuratively speaking)TOPPING said:
QED.Richard_Tyndall said:
You lost that right months ago but you still dribble your posts onto here fuckwit.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
Completely misunderstood the dynamic, geopolitical context, and history of NI/RoI and reduced to inane rantings.
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On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....0
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Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!0 -
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Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.OldKingCole said:Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*0 -
Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchangedrkrkrk said:On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....
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If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.0
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Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.Sandpit said:
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.OldKingCole said:Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.0 -
Finally, maybe we seem to be getting to the point where May grows a spine and tells the nutters to FO and see if they can bring down the government.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Perhaps it is finally sinking in that no deal is and was never an optionwilliamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Not before time , one more fudge this Friday , then we are nearly there.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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HopefullyYorkcity said:
Not before time , one more fudge this Friday , then we are nearly there.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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You've outdone me - I merely proposed on HMS Warrior! Wonderful ship, and a fantastic wedding venueJosiasJessop said:
Thanks to a PB'ers past recommendation, I have DK Brown's excellent 'Warrior to Dreadnought' and 'Before the Ironclad' on my bookshelves ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
You mean you never heard of dreadnought battleships? Named after HMS Dreadnought?JosiasJessop said:
Just as long as they were more successful than one of our first turret designs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Captain_(1869)
Mind you, the idea of having a ship with masts and turrets always seems a little dangerous...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought
Oh, and we got married on HMS Warrior. So yes, I have heard of Dreadnoughts and many of the ships around that period. I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make, though .... 0 -
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Corbyn doesn't have a clear position on freedom of movement, and doesnt have much of a position on the single market either tbh. But crucially he isn't constrained by May's red lines.HYUFD said:
Except Corbyn is not committed to soft Brexit but is committed to leaving the single market and ending free movement while today's Yougov has a 2% swing from Labour to LD since GE17 while the Tories are unchangedrkrkrk said:On topic, 8% isnt an especially large amount of voters, and some presumably were leavers not remainers. Plus, where do those voters go? To the Lib Dems? Maybe, but i think while the tories are keeping hard brexit alive and in the news, labours realistic soft brexit will look better than an unrealistic attempt to have anothe referendum and keep us in the EU. If May does stand up to her hard liners, decides to keep us in the customs union and single market or equivalent thrn the calculation changes....
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Nor will it change the options on offer for the country.not_on_fire said:
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soonnot_on_fire said:
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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You suspect wrongly.Sandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
May is going nowhere.0 -
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.OldKingCole said:
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.Sandpit said:
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.OldKingCole said:Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.0 -
and Boris and DD out of the Cabinet as a bonus!!Yorkcity said:
Not before time , one more fudge this Friday , then we are nearly there.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Scott_P said:
Neil gets 500 penalty points for using the 'word' simples.
Otherwise, an interesting tweet.0 -
Old Trafford's full, but not, in spite of Bumble, rammed. And a lot are Indian supporters, who might be expected to prefer cricket to football.Sandpit said:
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.OldKingCole said:
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.Sandpit said:
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.OldKingCole said:Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.
And there are OKC family issues about three Fi's on the trot.0 -
I wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with that proposal to move us on. I expected a compromise along those lines.TOPPING said:
If this is the case (big if) then PB Leavers might notice the critical issue driving the whole shebang, namely the necessity of no hard border in NI. As some of us have been pointing out on here for ages.williamglenn said:
Oh throw one up, the PB Leavers might then cry, thus disqualifying themselves from the right to engage in intelligent discussion about the future of Brexit and the UK.
The risk May runs is that both the ERG and the EU Commission reject it. There are ultra-ideologues on both sides who both overestimate the strength of their hand and brook no compromise.
It’s the Governments of the 27 and the UK who will solve this.0 -
Totally agree their bluff will be called at last.Anazina said:
You suspect wrongly.Sandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
May is going nowhere.0 -
No excuses. Staging an England cricket match when England could be playing in a Round of 16 World Cup match (one of just two possible slots, the other being yesterday evening) is incompetence of the highest order. Utterly stupid by the ECB.Sandpit said:
Very true, sports fans are sports fans. I recall one year watching the Wimbledon final on a big screen at Silverstone after the Grand Prix finished! It’s not particularly unusual at this time of year for major events to overlap, the main reason that F1 are doing three races in a row this year is to avoid a clash with the WC final.OldKingCole said:
Personaly I'd much prefer to watch cricket, but a proper game.Sandpit said:
Only at the Guardian would a man who gets paid to watch cricket complain that he can’t watch football instead.OldKingCole said:Bitter article in the Guardian from one of their cricket correspondents on being forced to watch England vs India instead of England vs Colombia, a situation for which, rightly, he castigates the ECB. After all the World Cup schedule, including the rest days has been known for some time, longer than before the Indians touring details were settled.
I wonder what he viewing figures for England vs India will be, and indeed, how the ticket sales have gone!
I’d imagine a lot of cricket fans who don’t care about football would be happy to be at Old Trafford, along with the prawn sandwich brigade *waves at Mr Eagles*
Anyway, in my considerable experience of watching cricket most watchers are interested in both. Indeed, the loudest cheer at a recent Essex game when the news came through that Germany were out!
To be fair, it wasn't the liveliest of days.0 -
Now is the time for TM to go for itYorkcity said:
Totally agree their bluff will be called at last.Anazina said:
You suspect wrongly.Sandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
May is going nowhere.0 -
No Brexit is better than a Bad BrexitBig_G_NorthWales said:
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soonnot_on_fire said:
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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I would recommend this one in a similar veinJosiasJessop said:
Thanks to a PB'ers past recommendation, I have DK Brown's excellent 'Warrior to Dreadnought' and 'Before the Ironclad' on my bookshelves ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
You mean you never heard of dreadnought battleships? Named after HMS Dreadnought?JosiasJessop said:
Just as long as they were more successful than one of our first turret designs:Sunil_Prasannan said:
1918.RobD said:
When we the last time they had a Navy?OldKingCole said:
Wasn't Austria the major power in the defeat of the Turks at lepanto?RobD said:
On a related note, wasn’t the EU fisheries commissioner recently Austrian, that famous naval power.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Which state has the record for winning naval battles in (what is today territory of) Switzerland?
[NB I'm aware it's landlocked].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
The Tegethoff class dreadnoughts were the first with triple gun turrets and they also had them in a superfiring arrangement (one turret firing over the one in front/behind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Captain_(1869)
Mind you, the idea of having a ship with masts and turrets always seems a little dangerous...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreadnought
Oh, and we got married on HMS Warrior. So yes, I have heard of Dreadnoughts and many of the ships around that period. I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make, though ...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004MW5FY8/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1530635939&sr=8-1#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1530635911763
And
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Command-Ocean-History-Britain-1649-1815/dp/0141026901&ved=2ahUKEwiX4ouJsIPcAhVQYlAKHePKDLcQFjAAegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw3_C9RGbqTLWSCf8JrtKijF
Both excellent works that gave me insight into RN history.0 -
I do not see a no Brexitnot_on_fire said:
No Brexit is better than a Bad BrexitBig_G_NorthWales said:
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soonnot_on_fire said:
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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Why not? If we can achieve consensus that the deal that's achievable is a bad deal, it would be collective insanity not to use that moment to step back and rethink where we're going.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not see a no Brexitnot_on_fire said:
No Brexit is better than a Bad BrexitBig_G_NorthWales said:
Getting rid of May will not change anything. The momemtum is to a soft Brexit and hopefully soonnot_on_fire said:
Getting rid of May won’t change the parliamentary arithmeticSandpit said:
I suspect that if Mrs May presents that choice, she might not last past the weekend.williamglenn said:If Andrew Neil is saying the choice for Brexiteers is a bad deal or no Brexit, we really are approaching crunch time.
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