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well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italydaodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.
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And the German - Austrian border after Merkel's fudgeAlanbrooke said:
well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italydaodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.0 -
My favourite are the "bi partisan committees" that have all the members bar a token 1 or 2 places appointmented by the governor or some such.Sandpit said:
ISTR that only half a dozen states have something that we might recognise as an independent Electoral Commission working on boundaries. The rest have either a ‘bipartisan committee’ which stitches up safe seats for R and D, or the incumbent party can just draw their own lines on the map. As you say, insane.not_on_fire said:
This is what happens when you let the polticians draw their own districts. The US system is insane.DavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
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It is not a price worth paying, and the public will enforce this once they see the implications.daodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.0 -
I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/10140523009760174080 -
I am in the softer Brexit camp but do not underestimate the anger of the Country if they come to the conclusion the EU are responsible for the breakdown in negotiationsnot_on_fire said:
It is not a price worth paying, and the public will enforce this once they see the implications.daodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.0 -
At this point in 2010 Dems were possibly even ahead in the generic ballot but special elections pointed to a red wave. Dems only cratered in the generic ballot quite late in the year.DavidL said:
Helpful!logical_song said:538
"This cycle’s special elections still imply a Democratic wave of historic proportions, while the generic ballot polling still points to a close race for House control. Lots of uncertainty remains, and you should be prepared for either outcome."
In October health insurance premiums come due and Trump has been crowing about dismantling Obamacare with the tax bill they passed.0 -
The constitution as written was designed to give the South outsized power. The whole thing is a compromise over slavery.DavidL said:
The south had exploited the flaws in the Constitution in the same was as the Republican party (ironically) is doing so now. This, as now, had allowed a minority disproportionate power. If the Constitution had been fit for purpose this would not have arisen in the first place and the tensions that resulted would not have led to secession.ydoethur said:
But those are hardly flaws in the Constitution, which was heavily biased towards the South.DavidL said:
No, the fact that that hegemony was being challenged by the new Republican party and was not going to be sustainable caused them to secede. As the north grew more populous and successful Congress was slipping away, the Presidency (with the right to nominate SC Justices) was falling out of reach and the Missouri compromise was under threat. The collapse of "national" parties, where the south did indeed have disproportionate influence, was along with the election of a Republican President, the final straws.ydoethur said:
The fact that the South was heavily over-represented in the Senate, the courts, the army and the one national party was the reason they seceded?DavidL said:
I can see the argument for federalism requiring some sort of equalisation but the differences now are vastly greater than the drafters of the Constitution could ever have contemplated. Once again it is simply undemocratic. Similar problems and defects in the Constitution were a major cause of the Civil War.Nigelb said:
And the Senate is barely more democratic than our own House of Lords in terms of representation -California, having a population greater than the combined 20 smallest states, and the same number of Senators as the smallest.DavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
And of course the Senate wields far greater powers.
It's a view I suppose...
They didn't sneakily take advantage of unforseen flaws. That was its intentional design.
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MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
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The Thai’s are likely to be make a big fuss of them, but there’ll also be a fuss for the Thais involved. In particular I would expect the Governor to come in for something good.DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
As you would expect, it’s been big, big news in the Kingdom; gather my Thia daughter-in-law’s been glued to the TV.0 -
They will just have to get over themselves thenAlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
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From what we’ve heard so far, that doesn’t sound unreasonable.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?0 -
They did magnificently but they were the spearhead of a huge effort. The Thai participants in particular were apparently relentless.DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
And yes Grand Order of Thailands all round, although the challenge now of course is when and how to extract them.
Edit:
https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1014056531719946241
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Why? As has often been pointed out here, freedom of movement means the freedom of EU nationals to settle in other EU countries, not lack of border controls.Alanbrooke said:
well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italydaodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.0 -
Is it not also the case that a lot of California’s poor are illegal immigrants?Sean_F said:
Neither Democrats nor Republicans are much interested in the poor.tlg86 said:
This may be a dumb question, but given California - and San Francisco in particular - is considered to be one of the more enlightened parts of the USA, can they not sort out their own problems?SouthamObserver said:
San Francisco. That was one of the times I could not avoid a visit!DavidL said:
I thought you had a really successful event in LA recently?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, I guess you’re right. There was a lot of violence that accompanied the civil disobedience of the 1960s. It’s not hard to imagine that, too. Basically, the US is in a very bad way. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. I used to go there for work four or five times a year; now I do all I can to avoid it. Sometimes that’s not possible, but I have managed to cutback big time.Nigelb said:
Unlikely.SouthamObserver said:
It cannot be sustained. In the end, the majority wins or the minority resorts to repression to ensure its ongoing dominance. With widescale voter suppression we are already beginning to see the latter. I wonder how long it will be before secessionist movements begin to gain some traction in certain states.DavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
Instead I think we might see widespread civil disobedience similar to that of the 1960s.
It will swing back eventually - Democrats are beginning to better compete in State elections - but it will likely be a long hard slog.
But a week there was more than enough to show just what a pitiless place the US can be: downtown in one of the richest places on earth and everywhere you look there are barefooted, filth-encrusted homeless people, many with clearly severe mental health problems, shuffling around living existences unimaginable in any part of Europe. Having seen that, it came as no surprise to learn of the forced separations of families on the Mexican border.0 -
What have your reading habits got to do with anything?Alanbrooke said:
I often read the guardian or the new statesman, do you only read articles which tell you are right all the time ?logical_song said:
Quite.JosiasJessop said:
I must admit that a zerohedge 'factcheck' is quite amusing!Alanbrooke said:
Hard to see how they are not. 90,000 children separated from their parents under Obamanot_on_fire said:
It was exceptionally rare under Obama rather than being routine. Don’t pretend the situations are equivalent.Charles said:
Out of interest - and trying to avoid “iour”)?SouthamObserver said:
San Francisco. That wason the Mexican border.DavidL said:
I thought you had a really successful event in LA recently?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, I guess you’re right. There was a lot of violence that accomphave managed to cutback big time.Nigelb said:
Unlikely.SouthamObserver said:
It cannot be sustained. In the end, the majority wins or the minority resorts to repression to ensure its ongoing dominance. With widescale voter suppression we are already beginning to see the latter. I wonder how long it will be before secessionist movements begin to gain some traction in certain states.DavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
Instead I think we might see widespread civil disobedience similar to that of the 1960s.
It will swing back eventually - Democrats are beginning to better compete in State elections - but it will likely be a long hard slog.
It’s also worth noting that forced separation happened under Obama as well but the media didn’t care then...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-01/fact-check-did-obama-detain-90000-children-border
From another angle:
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border
"Zero Hedge's content has been classified as "alt-right",[2] anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and economically pessimistic,[3][4] and has been criticized for presenting extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
In answer to your question - No.
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Is that right? The majority of the 13 original colonies were in the North. While the then most populous state which had its powers curtailed by the way the Senate is elected was southern Virginia.Alistair said:
The constitution as written was designed to give the South outsized power. The whole thing is a compromise over slavery.DavidL said:
The south had exploited the flaws in the Constitution in the same was as the Republican party (ironically) is doing so now. This, as now, had allowed a minority disproportionate power. If the Constitution had been fit for purpose this would not have arisen in the first place and the tensions that resulted would not have led to secession.ydoethur said:
But those are hardly flaws in the Constitution, which was heavily biased towards the South.DavidL said:
No, the fact that that hegemony was being challenged by the new Republican party and was not going to be sustainable caused them to secede. As the north grew more populous and successful Congress was slipping away, the Presidency (with the right to nominate SC Justices) was falling out of reach and the Missouri compromise was under threat. The collapse of "national" parties, where the south did indeed have disproportionate influence, was along with the election of a Republican President, the final straws.ydoethur said:
The fact that the South was heavily over-represented in the Senate, the courts, the army and the one national party was the reason they seceded?DavidL said:
I can see the argument for federalism requiring some sort of equalisation but the differences now are vastly greater than the drafters of the Constitution could ever have contemplated. Once again it is simply undemocratic. Similar problems and defects in the Constitution were a major cause of the Civil War.Nigelb said:
And the Senate is barely more democratic than our own House of Lords in terms of representation -California, having a population greater than the combined 20 smallest states, and the same number of Senators as the smallest.DavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
And of course the Senate wields far greater powers.
It's a view I suppose...
They didn't sneakily take advantage of unforseen flaws. That was its intentional design.0 -
And in 2010 Reps then went and severely gerrymandered congressional districts to stop that happening again.HYUFD said:There is very little evidence for this claim at all, indeed the last seat by seat breakdown for the House of Representatives in November had the Democrats ahead and almost every President loses significant numbers of seats in their first midterms, with the exception being George W Bush in 2001 because of 9/11. In fact in 2006 the last time the Democrats took the House they gained a more than 30 seat majority with an 8% lead, not much different to this poll.
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They're probably all Grant Shapps' aliasesBig_G_NorthWales said:
They will just have to get over themselves thenAlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
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Gerrymandering only helps really when you lose by a point or two, in wave years it can make more of your districts vulnerableAlistair said:
And in 2010 Reps then went and severely gerrymandered congressional districts to stop that happening again.HYUFD said:There is very little evidence for this claim at all, indeed the last seat by seat breakdown for the House of Representatives in November had the Democrats ahead and almost every President loses significant numbers of seats in their first midterms, with the exception being George W Bush in 2001 because of 9/11. In fact in 2006 the last time the Democrats took the House they gained a more than 30 seat majority with an 8% lead, not much different to this poll.
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"we will not accept..."Philip_Thompson said:
MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
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Too bad thenAlastairMeeks said:
"we will not accept..."Philip_Thompson said:
MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
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Sorry, I should have said major slave holding rather than 'South'. The counting of slaves as 3/5th human for the purposes of apportioning congressional representatives and electoral votes is the first key compromise to keep the slave holding states in the unionPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that right? The majority of the 13 original colonies were in the North. While the then most populous state which had its powers curtailed by the way the Senate is elected was southern Virginia.0 -
"A point or two" is overstating the case. It depends what the gerrymanderers have optimized for, but normally they'll try to accommodate a bigger swing than that.HYUFD said:
Gerrymandering only helps really when you lose by a point or two, in wave years it can make more of your districts vulnerableAlistair said:
And in 2010 Reps then went and severely gerrymandered congressional districts to stop that happening again.HYUFD said:There is very little evidence for this claim at all, indeed the last seat by seat breakdown for the House of Representatives in November had the Democrats ahead and almost every President loses significant numbers of seats in their first midterms, with the exception being George W Bush in 2001 because of 9/11. In fact in 2006 the last time the Democrats took the House they gained a more than 30 seat majority with an 8% lead, not much different to this poll.
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I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.
(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)0 -
Am I reading this rightScott_P said:
A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.
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Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .Big_G_NorthWales said:
Am I reading this rightScott_P said:
A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.
Time for labour to get a decent leader0 -
Rather OTT wouldn't you say? In some ways the EU position on Ireland is really a pretty belligerent one but then you remember that that is merely the price of a deal. I'm sure they wouldn't try to 'enforce' an open border in the event of no deal.daodao said:
It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.rottenborough said:"All signs point to crisis — unless the EU relents."
https://www.politico.eu/article/london-brexit-time-bomb-is-about-to-blow-theresa-may-withdrawal-agreement/
Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.0 -
Looks like Lab -> Green swingScott_P said:0 -
Even on those figures a majority conservative government of 12 (electoral calculas)OchEye said:
Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .Big_G_NorthWales said:
Am I reading this rightScott_P said:
A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.
Time for labour to get a decent leader0 -
ThaiVisa, an English-language digest of Thai News, aimed at the expat community saysJosiasJessop said:
I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.
(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
'As Thailand wakes up to the incredible news of the rescue of 12 young footballers and their coach who had been trapped deep underground in the Tham Luang cave in Chiang Rai, more information has been revealed of the British divers who have been credited with finding the group.
British divers John Volanthen, Robert Harper and Richard Stanton have been hailed as heroes by the Thai media.'0 -
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.0 -
Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/10140523009760174080 -
But even at the founding of the union there was a clear anti-prohibition slavery split. A scanty few years later psot revolution you could split the nation into a slavery south and a free north that we would recognise today.Alistair said:
Sorry, I should have said major slave holding rather than 'South'. The counting of slaves as 3/5th human for the purposes of apportioning congressional representatives and electoral votes is the first key compromise to keep the slave holding states in the unionPhilip_Thompson said:
Is that right? The majority of the 13 original colonies were in the North. While the then most populous state which had its powers curtailed by the way the Senate is elected was southern Virginia.0 -
The cave rescue situation is still far far from over, the trapped boys have basically got to be taken from lads who have never dived before to cave diving standard - which is risky for even the most experienced of scuba divers.JosiasJessop said:
I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.
(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
Getting them all out is a long slow road ahead.0 -
Sigh, an interesting and, in the main, non-partisan, on-topic debate about the US midterms is finally interrupted.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html0 -
Yes but there is a glimmer of hope that you may yet get there !!!!!Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.0 -
Why are the MPs names blacked out but Jenkins isn't ?0
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How far ahead would the tories be with a slightly more likable and competent leader?Scott_P said:twitter.com/YouGov/status/1014060713780924416
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There seems to be a growing acceptance that she doing as good as anyone could in the circumstancesDavidL said:
Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
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I agree with that tweet. It shouldn't 'just' be the guys who found them - and in fact I did say as much. However the symbolism is important, and many recipients of the VC, GC and other awards will have had people tirelessly helping them behind the scenes.TOPPING said:
They did magnificently but they were the spearhead of a huge effort. The Thai participants in particular were apparently relentless.DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
And yes Grand Order of Thailands all round, although the challenge now of course is when and how to extract them.
Edit:
https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1014056531719946241
It's going to be interesting to see how they get them out.
On another point: I suppose there are two distinct types of heroism: one is where you get placed in a situation and have a few seconds to act, and when you do act, it is in a selfless, brave manner - e.g.. a passer-by running into a burning building to rescue someone.
Then there is another type of heroism: one where you have time to look at the situation, calculate the risks as best you can, and then acting in a selfless, brave manner - e.g. a firefighter going into a risky fire, or these lads in Thailand.0 -
Except the circumstances are her fault.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems to be a growing acceptance that she doing as good as anyone could in the circumstancesDavidL said:
Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
It's her fault she has no majority. It's her fault she's already thrown away the option of calling an early election against Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
Indeed, although I hope they don't have to dive, and they manage to lower the water levels (perhaps by driving an adit rather than pumping?) so they can 'walk' out.Pulpstar said:
The cave rescue situation is still far far from over, the trapped boys have basically got to be taken from lads who have never dived before to cave diving standard - which is risky for even the most experienced of scuba divers.JosiasJessop said:
I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.
(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
Getting them all out is a long slow road ahead.
Although in this discussion, I have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to get to where they are: e.g. how many narrow squeezes there are - although as they managed to get there in the first place, it is probably not too difficult, at least in the dry.0 -
Yes it's lobbying. Clark, Soubry at al can do the same.AlastairMeeks said:
"we will not accept..."Philip_Thompson said:
MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
But that's different to statute controlling the government.0 -
quite a lot I read across the spectrum, more than you it appearslogical_song said:
What have your reading habits got to do with anything?Alanbrooke said:
I often read the guaryou are right all the time ?logical_song said:
Quite.JosiasJessop said:
I must admit that a zerohedge 'factcheck' is quite amusing!Alanbrooke said:
Hard to see hoparents under Obamanot_on_fire said:
It was exceptionally rare under Obama rather than being routine. Don’t pretend the situations are equivalent.Charles said:
Out of interest - and trying to avoid “iour”)?SouthamObserver said:
San Francisco. That wason the Mexican border.DavidL said:
I thought you had a really successful event in LA recently?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, I guess y cutback big time.Nigelb said:
Unlikely.SouthamObserver said:
It cannot be sustained. In the end, the majority wins or the mDavidL said:A system which allows a party 6.4% behind to win barely qualifies as democratic at all. That is the equivalent of Ed Miliband having become PM in 2015 instead of Cameron. I am really not sure that such a “victory” would do Trump much good in the long run.
Instead I think we might see widespread civil disobedience similar to that of the 1960s.
It will swing back eventually - Democrats are beginning to better compete in State elections - but it will likely be a long hard slog.
It’s also worth noting that forced separation happened under Obama as well but the media didn’t care then...
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-01/fact-check-did-obama-detain-90000-children-border
From another angle:
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border
"Zero Hedge's content has been classified as "alt-right",[2] anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and economically pessimistic,[3][4] and has been criticized for presenting extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
In answer to your question - No.
Do you disagree with Wikipedia on Zero Hedge's stance?
as for ZH they have a right wing stance, that doesn't mean they are wrong about everything any more than the HuffPo is wrong about everything, just that theyre pushing a view and you can make your mind up.
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"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...
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Well Corbyn is one ...JosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...0 -
The recent "positive" publicity of TMay has given the public the impression that she is actually leading the party. As many commentators here know, she can't lead her way out of a wet paper bag, and which ever side of the argument you stand on, we are all watching the slow disintegration of the Tories with open mouthed amazement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even on those figures a majority conservative government of 12 (electoral calculas)OchEye said:
Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .Big_G_NorthWales said:
Am I reading this rightScott_P said:
A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.
Time for labour to get a decent leader0 -
Mr. Max, Jenkyns has been very overt about such things.
https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/10132106165451776000 -
Presumably not because they’re afraid the tabloids will call them traitors and saboteurs.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They will just have to get over themselves thenAlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
And why are the names blanked out0 -
Has he considered a continued push into improving the well being of Doncaster North ?FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
She's the only fire hydrant in a street with 316 dogs.DavidL said:
Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/10140523009760174080 -
She also set out poor red lines, especially on ecj and should have abandoned the immigration target for something easier to achieve and more in tune with public frustrations. I think several in the current tory crop would be doing better, in the sense that they would be achieving more of what they set out to do.Philip_Thompson said:
Except the circumstances are her fault.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There seems to be a growing acceptance that she doing as good as anyone could in the circumstancesDavidL said:
Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.AlastairMeeks said:I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
It's her fault she has no majority. It's her fault she's already thrown away the option of calling an early election against Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.0
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Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
Your bias betrays you.0 -
PB anecdotes proved right again as the Construction PMI reaches the highest for a year:
' June data revealed a solid expansion of overall construction activity, underpinned by greater residential work and a faster upturn in commercial building. There were also positive signs regarding the near-term outlook for growth, as signalled by the strongest rise in new orders since May 2017 and the largest upturn in input buying for two-and-a-half years. '
https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/19a12ac51497443f97d9e8745d8ceb820 -
Sitting Labour MP vs Tory hasbeen.OblitusSumMe said:
Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
Your bias betrays you.0 -
Nah. It looks like another outlier.felix said:Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
I remember last month some got excited by a 7% Tory lead that reverted back to a small Tory lead the next week.0 -
I called this months ago.
Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.
The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.
https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21
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I do have concerns with sitting MPs of any party getting regular slots on national TV and radio, as they cannot expect to be impartial and it will be very hard to 'balance' the output.OblitusSumMe said:
Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
Your bias betrays you.0 -
Forecast (Accuwether) for the area is ‘a thunderstorm or two’. Which does mean a LOT of rain!JosiasJessop said:
Indeed, although I hope they don't have to dive, and they manage to lower the water levels (perhaps by driving an adit rather than pumping?) so they can 'walk' out.Pulpstar said:
The cave rescue situation is still far far from over, the trapped boys have basically got to be taken from lads who have never dived before to cave diving standard - which is risky for even the most experienced of scuba divers.JosiasJessop said:
I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).DecrepitJohnL said:
Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?
The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.
(There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
Getting them all out is a long slow road ahead.
Although in this discussion, I have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to get to where they are: e.g. how many narrow squeezes there are - although as they managed to get there in the first place, it is probably not too difficult, at least in the dry.0 -
My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moronJosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...0 -
Is that a description of BBC's This Week?MaxPB said:
Sitting Labour MP vs Tory hasbeen.OblitusSumMe said:
Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
Your bias betrays you.0 -
Mr. Eagles, to be fair, most did just see that as an outlier.
Currently reading a quartet of plays by Euripides. Hecabe is rather good as a lesson in the capriciousness of fortune, and warning against hubris or complacency. Let maidens play with your spear and all manner of woe can ensue.0 -
To be fair to the BBC, the last time Vine took a holiday, not only Miliband took over the microphone for a week, but IDS took over the next week. Unfortunately, the Beeb had more problems trying to control the phone ins and having negative feedback with the Quiet One!MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
lay test ?Roger said:
My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moronJosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...
you've gone all Harvey Weinstein Roger0 -
It’s called FFS. Happens as you get older. And there’s only two ’t’s’ in important, not three!Roger said:
My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moronJosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...
LOL!!!!!0 -
Does that not suggest that the small lead was the outlier?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. It looks like another outlier.felix said:Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
I remember last month some got excited by a 7% Tory lead that reverted back to a small Tory lead the next week.0 -
SeanT seems happy much of the time!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, to be fair, most did just see that as an outlier.
Currently reading a quartet of plays by Euripides. Hecabe is rather good as a lesson in the capriciousness of fortune, and warning against hubris or complacency. Let maidens play with your spear and all manner of woe can ensue.0 -
The noses have it.......TheScreamingEagles said:I called this months ago.
Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.
The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.
https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21
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It rightly wouldn't be allowed in an election period.JosiasJessop said:
I do have concerns with sitting MPs of any party getting regular slots on national TV and radio, as they cannot expect to be impartial and it will be very hard to 'balance' the output.OblitusSumMe said:
Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
Your bias betrays you.
Outside of that I think that anything which helps politicians to be in closer contact with the wider public is a good thing.0 -
Miliband, IDS, howard....Jesus wept....there has to be some better guest hosts available...OchEye said:
To be fair to the BBC, the last time Vine took a holiday, not only Miliband took over the microphone for a week, but IDS took over the next week. Unfortunately, the Beeb had more problems trying to control the phone ins and having negative feedback with the Quiet One!MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
Indeed I start to wonder if this is our 1789. Of course the short term effect of that wasn't entirely pleasant.OchEye said:
The recent "positive" publicity of TMay has given the public the impression that she is actually leading the party. As many commentators here know, she can't lead her way out of a wet paper bag, and which ever side of the argument you stand on, we are all watching the slow disintegration of the Tories with open mouthed amazement.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even on those figures a majority conservative government of 12 (electoral calculas)OchEye said:
Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .Big_G_NorthWales said:
Am I reading this rightScott_P said:
A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.
Time for labour to get a decent leader0 -
Not yet.tlg86 said:
Does that not suggest that the small lead was the outlier?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. It looks like another outlier.felix said:Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
I remember last month some got excited by a 7% Tory lead that reverted back to a small Tory lead the next week.
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repeat after me - Jeremy Corbyn is bad at day to day politics.felix said:Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
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Would we have to hold elections for these MEPs who might only be in office for weeks - or more sensibly keep the existing MEPs in post? All hypothetical of course!TheScreamingEagles said:I called this months ago.
Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.
The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.
https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21
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King Cole, yes, but Mr. T earnt his fortune by being a successful author, rather than murdering a young lad sent to him for protection, and then nicking said child's money.0
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Thanks but that was just a slip of the hand!OldKingCole said:
It’s called FFS. Happens as you get older. And there’s only two ’t’s’ in important, not three!Roger said:
My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moronJosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...
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I think low 30s is more than possible within 12 months for the Labour clown car.
They have three or four easy losses plus an dangerous inability to keep their mouths shut.0 -
Seriously, take Angela Rayner. Her jaw just hangs open, like some domesticated ungulate, at the end of every sentence.0
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Most hacks and bloggers recognise that Jeremy Corbyn is the best friend the Conservative party has. don't they? Always worth remembering that FPTP encourages negative voting and in a battle between two very bad choices the one that gives every impression of disliking the UK is always going to lose out to the one who doesn't.felix said:Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
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The BBC is very wary of big salaries now - particularly for men. You're probably not looking at a Portillo salary.FrancisUrquhart said:
Miliband, IDS, howard....Jesus wept....there has to be some better guest hosts available...OchEye said:
To be fair to the BBC, the last time Vine took a holiday, not only Miliband took over the microphone for a week, but IDS took over the next week. Unfortunately, the Beeb had more problems trying to control the phone ins and having negative feedback with the Quiet One!MaxPB said:
"Impartial" BBC.FrancisUrquhart said:Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-20 -
Actually, if we take part in the next round of European elections it will give an idea of whether or not we still want to leave.
Just imagine the effect of a wipe-out of UKIP and their replacement by LD Remainers!
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If Labour's poll rating drifts down, I'd expect the Conservatives' poll rating to drift down too. Fear of Jeremy Corbyn is keeping some voters on board. If they conclude he's not a threat, those voters will consider other options.BannedInParis said:I think low 30s is more than possible within 12 months for the Labour clown car.
They have three or four easy losses plus an dangerous inability to keep their mouths shut.0 -
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I've laid a GOP majority at 1.99 on Betfair, they've been spanked in special elections thus far.0
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Er...........Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, yes, but Mr. T earnt his fortune by being a successful author, rather than murdering a young lad sent to him for protection, and then nicking said child's money.
I gather that’s something to do with the play!0 -
When I was working, I had a policy of not sending an email immediately, even if it was urgent. I would type, save it as a draft, and move onto something else for a while. Then I would go back, proofread it, and send it.Roger said:
My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moronJosiasJessop said:
"leavers of power" ?Roger said:
Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herselfRoger said:
I'm starting to feel nauseous.....HYUFD said:
Javid PM and Gove as Chancellor would be the ideal combinationDavidL said:
Also suggests that a Javid/Gove dream team is going to be unstoppable should it come about.HYUFD said:The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.
However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html
In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......
Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ...
I'd often pick up problems, some of them embarrassing. Worse were the times I'd do this and still end up sending emails with mistakes!
(It was also surprising how often I'd realise I'd written the email in the wrong tone, or even that the email wasn't really necessary.)0 -
Wow - I agree with Anna for a changeScott_P said:0 -
King Cole, yes.
I considered a spoiler alert, but the play's nearly two and a half thousand years old...
Mr. Jessop, sometimes I do that, if time isn't an issue.0 -
I'm sure in that instance Farage & his kameraden will stand down as a matter of principle.TheScreamingEagles said:I called this months ago.
Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.
The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.
https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21
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Few things can't wait ten minutes. Especially when the recipients end up being in meetings ...Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, yes.
I considered a spoiler alert, but the play's nearly two and a half thousand years old...
Mr. Jessop, sometimes I do that, if time isn't an issue.
IMO this is one of the biggest problems with things like Twitter - it's too easy to write in haste.0
