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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,778
    daodao said:

    It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.

    If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.
    well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italy
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969

    well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italy
    And the German - Austrian border after Merkel's fudge
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    ISTR that only half a dozen states have something that we might recognise as an independent Electoral Commission working on boundaries. The rest have either a ‘bipartisan committee’ which stitches up safe seats for R and D, or the incumbent party can just draw their own lines on the map. As you say, insane.
    My favourite are the "bi partisan committees" that have all the members bar a token 1 or 2 places appointmented by the governor or some such.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    daodao said:

    It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.

    If BINO is unccetable, the cleanest solution is no deal, with WTO terms initially, as a starting point. It will be painful, particularly for the UK, but that is the price of freedom from being run by Berlin/Brussels. Trading and other agreements can then be rebuilt gradually with the EU where both sides want one, but this will take a long time, as there will be an atmosphere of mutual hostility for many years to come. Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.
    It is not a price worth paying, and the public will enforce this once they see the implications.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    edited July 2018

    It is not a price worth paying, and the public will enforce this once they see the implications.
    I am in the softer Brexit camp but do not underestimate the anger of the Country if they come to the conclusion the EU are responsible for the breakdown in negotiations
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Helpful!
    At this point in 2010 Dems were possibly even ahead in the generic ballot but special elections pointed to a red wave. Dems only cratered in the generic ballot quite late in the year.

    In October health insurance premiums come due and Trump has been crowing about dismantling Obamacare with the tax bill they passed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    The south had exploited the flaws in the Constitution in the same was as the Republican party (ironically) is doing so now. This, as now, had allowed a minority disproportionate power. If the Constitution had been fit for purpose this would not have arisen in the first place and the tensions that resulted would not have led to secession.
    The constitution as written was designed to give the South outsized power. The whole thing is a compromise over slavery.

    They didn't sneakily take advantage of unforseen flaws. That was its intentional design.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?

    MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466

    Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?

    The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
    The Thai’s are likely to be make a big fuss of them, but there’ll also be a fuss for the Thais involved. In particular I would expect the Governor to come in for something good.

    As you would expect, it’s been big, big news in the Kingdom; gather my Thia daughter-in-law’s been glued to the TV.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    edited July 2018

    I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408

    They will just have to get over themselves then

    And why are the names blanked out
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Off-topic:

    I hadn't realised that British divers found that Thai football team in the cave. Would they be suitable candidates for the George Cross, and their support team for other honours?

    From what we’ve heard so far, that doesn’t sound unreasonable.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited July 2018

    Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?

    The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
    They did magnificently but they were the spearhead of a huge effort. The Thai participants in particular were apparently relentless.

    And yes Grand Order of Thailands all round, although the challenge now of course is when and how to extract them.

    Edit:

    https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1014056531719946241
  • well lets see what happens on border controls in Austria and Italy
    Why? As has often been pointed out here, freedom of movement means the freedom of EU nationals to settle in other EU countries, not lack of border controls.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Sean_F said:

    Neither Democrats nor Republicans are much interested in the poor.
    Is it not also the case that a lot of California’s poor are illegal immigrants?
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Jonathan said:

    You’d have to be mad and egotistical to want to be PM in the immediate post Brexit aftermath.

    It’s a crowded field.

    Wondering if Mrs Gove would be happy with no11.

    Nope, she's already measured the curtains in no 10.....
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,017

    I often read the guardian or the new statesman, do you only read articles which tell you are right all the time ?

    What have your reading habits got to do with anything?
    In answer to your question - No.
    Do you disagree with Wikipedia on Zero Hedge's stance?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    The constitution as written was designed to give the South outsized power. The whole thing is a compromise over slavery.

    They didn't sneakily take advantage of unforseen flaws. That was its intentional design.
    Is that right? The majority of the 13 original colonies were in the North. While the then most populous state which had its powers curtailed by the way the Senate is elected was southern Virginia.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited July 2018
    HYUFD said:

    There is very little evidence for this claim at all, indeed the last seat by seat breakdown for the House of Representatives in November had the Democrats ahead and almost every President loses significant numbers of seats in their first midterms, with the exception being George W Bush in 2001 because of 9/11. In fact in 2006 the last time the Democrats took the House they gained a more than 30 seat majority with an 8% lead, not much different to this poll.

    And in 2010 Reps then went and severely gerrymandered congressional districts to stop that happening again.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    They will just have to get over themselves then

    And why are the names blanked out
    They're probably all Grant Shapps' aliases
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,704
    Alistair said:

    And in 2010 Reps then went and severely gerrymandered congressional districts to stop that happening again.
    Gerrymandering only helps really when you lose by a point or two, in wave years it can make more of your districts vulnerable
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    MPs can lobby for what they want without it being controlling the negotiations. Nobody has suggested here that Andrea Jenkyns et al are controlling the negotiations, they're setting out their position. The government is free to listen or not. The government is free to compromise on one issue to gain on another if that's what it wants to do.
    "we will not accept..."
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969

    "we will not accept..."
    Too bad then
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited July 2018



    Is that right? The majority of the 13 original colonies were in the North. While the then most populous state which had its powers curtailed by the way the Senate is elected was southern Virginia.

    Sorry, I should have said major slave holding rather than 'South'. The counting of slaves as 3/5th human for the purposes of apportioning congressional representatives and electoral votes is the first key compromise to keep the slave holding states in the union
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    HYUFD said:

    Gerrymandering only helps really when you lose by a point or two, in wave years it can make more of your districts vulnerable
    "A point or two" is overstating the case. It depends what the gerrymanderers have optimized for, but normally they'll try to accommodate a bigger swing than that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174

    Not the GC but maybe an OBE apiece -- and even that would be down to news value. This is not their first time, and how often do we hand out gongs to (say) mountain rescue teams?

    The Thai government is more likely to lavish honours on them.
    I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).

    However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.

    (There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    Scott_P said:
    Am I reading this right

    A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.

    Time for labour to get a decent leader
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466
    OchEye said:

    Nope, she's already measured the curtains in no 10.....
    Twice, I suspect!
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    Am I reading this right

    A 5% conservative lead in this chaos.

    Time for labour to get a decent leader
    Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    daodao said:

    It is not in the interest of the EU to relent or compromise on its core values, including the "four freedoms". The UK can't cherry pick - hasn't T May learnt anything.

    Brexit is effectively a declaration of war (in a non-combatant sense) by the UK against the EU.
    Rather OTT wouldn't you say? In some ways the EU position on Ireland is really a pretty belligerent one but then you remember that that is merely the price of a deal. I'm sure they wouldn't try to 'enforce' an open border in the event of no deal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,157
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    OchEye said:

    Just imagine what the lead for the Tories would be if they had a decent leader.. .
    Even on those figures a majority conservative government of 12 (electoral calculas)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466

    I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).

    However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.

    (There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
    ThaiVisa, an English-language digest of Thai News, aimed at the expat community says

    'As Thailand wakes up to the incredible news of the rescue of 12 young footballers and their coach who had been trapped deep underground in the Tham Luang cave in Chiang Rai, more information has been revealed of the British divers who have been credited with finding the group.

    British divers John Volanthen, Robert Harper and Richard Stanton have been hailed as heroes by the Thai media.'
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,348

    It would change the political climate and Corbyn would come under attack from good communicators in a complete change from TM's difficulty in expressing herself
    Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.

    In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......

    Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,044

    I thought it was the position of the nut-nuts that MPs shouldn't be controlling the negotiations with the EU?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014052300976017408

    Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Sorry, I should have said major slave holding rather than 'South'. The counting of slaves as 3/5th human for the purposes of apportioning congressional representatives and electoral votes is the first key compromise to keep the slave holding states in the union
    But even at the founding of the union there was a clear anti-prohibition slavery split. A scanty few years later psot revolution you could split the nation into a slavery south and a free north that we would recognise today.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,157

    I respect and admire what the various mountain rescue teams around the country do - and the volunteers deserve more attention and reward (as in fairness the RNLI do get).

    However I'd argue that what those men did - although part of a much larger team - is much more 'heroic'. I've done a very small amount of scuba diving, and doing that in caves, with the added pressure of having to do it in a rescue situation, is frankly heroic. They put their lives on the line to save others. And that deserves recognition IMO.

    (There's a small chance that they might be military, and therefore may not want publicity.)
    The cave rescue situation is still far far from over, the trapped boys have basically got to be taken from lads who have never dived before to cave diving standard - which is risky for even the most experienced of scuba divers.
    Getting them all out is a long slow road ahead.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    HYUFD said:

    The final Conservative Home next Tory leader runoff poll of Tory members confirms Javid's position as the new favourite to succeed May as he leads Gove 45% to 43%.

    However the fact the margin between the two frontrunners is so close compared to their much bigger respective margins over Johnson and Hunt suggests both Javid and Gove are now the clear frontrunners in the next Tory leader stakes.


    https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/07/our-surveys-final-next-tory-leader-run-off-javid-45-per-cent-gove-43-per-cent.html

    Sigh, an interesting and, in the main, non-partisan, on-topic debate about the US midterms is finally interrupted.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    Roger said:

    Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.

    In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......

    Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
    Yes but there is a glimmer of hope that you may yet get there !!!!!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,157
    Why are the MPs names blacked out but Jenkins isn't ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,205
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/YouGov/status/1014060713780924416

    How far ahead would the tories be with a slightly more likable and competent leader?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    DavidL said:

    Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.
    There seems to be a growing acceptance that she doing as good as anyone could in the circumstances
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Pulpstar said:

    Why are the MPs names blacked out but Jenkins isn't ?

    No. 10 targeting her?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174
    TOPPING said:

    They did magnificently but they were the spearhead of a huge effort. The Thai participants in particular were apparently relentless.

    And yes Grand Order of Thailands all round, although the challenge now of course is when and how to extract them.

    Edit:

    https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1014056531719946241
    I agree with that tweet. It shouldn't 'just' be the guys who found them - and in fact I did say as much. However the symbolism is important, and many recipients of the VC, GC and other awards will have had people tirelessly helping them behind the scenes.

    It's going to be interesting to see how they get them out.

    On another point: I suppose there are two distinct types of heroism: one is where you get placed in a situation and have a few seconds to act, and when you do act, it is in a selfless, brave manner - e.g.. a passer-by running into a burning building to rescue someone.

    Then there is another type of heroism: one where you have time to look at the situation, calculate the risks as best you can, and then acting in a selfless, brave manner - e.g. a firefighter going into a risky fire, or these lads in Thailand.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    There seems to be a growing acceptance that she doing as good as anyone could in the circumstances
    Except the circumstances are her fault.

    It's her fault she has no majority. It's her fault she's already thrown away the option of calling an early election against Jeremy Corbyn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,205
    Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2

    "Impartial" BBC.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174
    Pulpstar said:

    The cave rescue situation is still far far from over, the trapped boys have basically got to be taken from lads who have never dived before to cave diving standard - which is risky for even the most experienced of scuba divers.
    Getting them all out is a long slow road ahead.
    Indeed, although I hope they don't have to dive, and they manage to lower the water levels (perhaps by driving an adit rather than pumping?) so they can 'walk' out.

    Although in this discussion, I have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to get to where they are: e.g. how many narrow squeezes there are - although as they managed to get there in the first place, it is probably not too difficult, at least in the dry.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    "we will not accept..."
    Yes it's lobbying. Clark, Soubry at al can do the same.

    But that's different to statute controlling the government.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,778

    What have your reading habits got to do with anything?
    In answer to your question - No.
    Do you disagree with Wikipedia on Zero Hedge's stance?
    quite a lot I read across the spectrum, more than you it appears

    as for ZH they have a right wing stance, that doesn't mean they are wrong about everything any more than the HuffPo is wrong about everything, just that theyre pushing a view and you can make your mind up.


  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174
    Roger said:

    Yesterday I heard Len McClusky being interviewed by Sarah Montague on the World at One. A more boorish misogynist is difficult to imagine. Hearing him heap praise on corbyn while making clear that his buddy would be in his top pocket was vaguely repulsive.

    In fact the thought that this bullying oaf would be anywhere near the leavers of power under a Corbyn administration was terrifying. A dystopian vision that was only partially cleared by the delightful Aberdonian seascape. I daydreamed that for the first time in my life I might vote Tory.......

    Fortunately the word GOVE and PM in the same sentence woke me up with a jolt.
    "leavers of power" ?

    Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ... ;)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    "leavers of power" ?

    Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ... ;)
    Well Corbyn is one ...
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    Even on those figures a majority conservative government of 12 (electoral calculas)
    The recent "positive" publicity of TMay has given the public the impression that she is actually leading the party. As many commentators here know, she can't lead her way out of a wet paper bag, and which ever side of the argument you stand on, we are all watching the slow disintegration of the Tories with open mouthed amazement.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,415
    Mr. Max, Jenkyns has been very overt about such things.

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1013210616545177600
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,611

    They will just have to get over themselves then

    And why are the names blanked out
    Presumably not because they’re afraid the tabloids will call them traitors and saboteurs.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,461

    Ed Miliband is to return as a stand-in host of BBC Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine show, as part of his continued push into the world of broadcasting.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/03/ed-miliband-return-stand-in-host-jeremy-vine-show-bbc-radio-2

    Has he considered a continued push into improving the well being of Doncaster North ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    DavidL said:

    Sometimes, because I’m an old softy at heart, I feel a tad sorry for Mrs May. Herding cats would be easier than coralling this lot.
    She's the only fire hydrant in a street with 316 dogs.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,622

    Except the circumstances are her fault.

    It's her fault she has no majority. It's her fault she's already thrown away the option of calling an early election against Jeremy Corbyn.
    She also set out poor red lines, especially on ecj and should have abandoned the immigration target for something easier to achieve and more in tune with public frustrations. I think several in the current tory crop would be doing better, in the sense that they would be achieving more of what they set out to do.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MaxPB said:

    "Impartial" BBC.
    Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.

    Your bias betrays you.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,461
    PB anecdotes proved right again as the Construction PMI reaches the highest for a year:

    ' June data revealed a solid expansion of overall construction activity, underpinned by greater residential work and a faster upturn in commercial building. There were also positive signs regarding the near-term outlook for growth, as signalled by the strongest rise in new orders since May 2017 and the largest upturn in input buying for two-and-a-half years. '

    https://www.markiteconomics.com/Survey/PressRelease.mvc/19a12ac51497443f97d9e8745d8ceb82
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.

    Your bias betrays you.
    Sitting Labour MP vs Tory hasbeen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,495
    felix said:

    Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.

    Nah. It looks like another outlier.

    I remember last month some got excited by a 7% Tory lead that reverted back to a small Tory lead the next week.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,495
    I called this months ago.

    Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.

    The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064856620785664?s=21
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174

    Miliband is splitting the week with the ex-Conservative leader Michael Howard.

    Your bias betrays you.
    I do have concerns with sitting MPs of any party getting regular slots on national TV and radio, as they cannot expect to be impartial and it will be very hard to 'balance' the output.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466

    Indeed, although I hope they don't have to dive, and they manage to lower the water levels (perhaps by driving an adit rather than pumping?) so they can 'walk' out.

    Although in this discussion, I have absolutely no idea how difficult it is to get to where they are: e.g. how many narrow squeezes there are - although as they managed to get there in the first place, it is probably not too difficult, at least in the dry.
    Forecast (Accuwether) for the area is ‘a thunderstorm or two’. Which does mean a LOT of rain!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,348

    "leavers of power" ?

    Sounds a bit like Brexiteer's are taking over ... ;)
    My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    Sitting Labour MP vs Tory hasbeen.
    Is that a description of BBC's This Week?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,415
    Mr. Eagles, to be fair, most did just see that as an outlier.

    Currently reading a quartet of plays by Euripides. Hecabe is rather good as a lesson in the capriciousness of fortune, and warning against hubris or complacency. Let maidens play with your spear and all manner of woe can ensue.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    MaxPB said:

    "Impartial" BBC.
    To be fair to the BBC, the last time Vine took a holiday, not only Miliband took over the microphone for a week, but IDS took over the next week. Unfortunately, the Beeb had more problems trying to control the phone ins and having negative feedback with the Quiet One!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,778
    Roger said:

    My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron
    lay test ?

    you've gone all Harvey Weinstein Roger
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466
    Roger said:

    My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron
    It’s called FFS. Happens as you get older. And there’s only two ’t’s’ in important, not three!

    LOL!!!!!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,510

    Nah. It looks like another outlier.

    I remember last month some got excited by a 7% Tory lead that reverted back to a small Tory lead the next week.
    Does that not suggest that the small lead was the outlier?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466

    Mr. Eagles, to be fair, most did just see that as an outlier.

    Currently reading a quartet of plays by Euripides. Hecabe is rather good as a lesson in the capriciousness of fortune, and warning against hubris or complacency. Let maidens play with your spear and all manner of woe can ensue.

    SeanT seems happy much of the time!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,348

    I called this months ago.

    Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.

    The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064856620785664?s=21

    The noses have it.......
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I do have concerns with sitting MPs of any party getting regular slots on national TV and radio, as they cannot expect to be impartial and it will be very hard to 'balance' the output.
    It rightly wouldn't be allowed in an election period.

    Outside of that I think that anything which helps politicians to be in closer contact with the wider public is a good thing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,205
    edited July 2018
    OchEye said:

    To be fair to the BBC, the last time Vine took a holiday, not only Miliband took over the microphone for a week, but IDS took over the next week. Unfortunately, the Beeb had more problems trying to control the phone ins and having negative feedback with the Quiet One!
    Miliband, IDS, howard....Jesus wept....there has to be some better guest hosts available...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    OchEye said:

    The recent "positive" publicity of TMay has given the public the impression that she is actually leading the party. As many commentators here know, she can't lead her way out of a wet paper bag, and which ever side of the argument you stand on, we are all watching the slow disintegration of the Tories with open mouthed amazement.
    Indeed I start to wonder if this is our 1789. Of course the short term effect of that wasn't entirely pleasant.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,495
    tlg86 said:

    Does that not suggest that the small lead was the outlier?
    Not yet.

    The general trend of polls is a small Tory lead. So you’d expect to see the occasional poll with a slightly larger Tory lead and a rarer Labour lead.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    felix said:

    Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.

    repeat after me - Jeremy Corbyn is bad at day to day politics.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    I called this months ago.

    Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.

    The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064856620785664?s=21

    Would we have to hold elections for these MEPs who might only be in office for weeks - or more sensibly keep the existing MEPs in post? All hypothetical of course!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,415
    King Cole, yes, but Mr. T earnt his fortune by being a successful author, rather than murdering a young lad sent to him for protection, and then nicking said child's money.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,348

    It’s called FFS. Happens as you get older. And there’s only two ’t’s’ in important, not three!

    LOL!!!!!
    Thanks but that was just a slip of the hand!
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    I think low 30s is more than possible within 12 months for the Labour clown car.

    They have three or four easy losses plus an dangerous inability to keep their mouths shut.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Seriously, take Angela Rayner. Her jaw just hangs open, like some domesticated ungulate, at the end of every sentence.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,011
    felix said:

    Re latest YG - yet more evidence that the hacks and bloggers have no clue.

    Most hacks and bloggers recognise that Jeremy Corbyn is the best friend the Conservative party has. don't they? Always worth remembering that FPTP encourages negative voting and in a battle between two very bad choices the one that gives every impression of disliking the UK is always going to lose out to the one who doesn't.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Miliband, IDS, howard....Jesus wept....there has to be some better guest hosts available...
    The BBC is very wary of big salaries now - particularly for men. You're probably not looking at a Portillo salary.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466
    edited July 2018
    Actually, if we take part in the next round of European elections it will give an idea of whether or not we still want to leave.
    Just imagine the effect of a wipe-out of UKIP and their replacement by LD Remainers!

    (Edited to remove effect of FFS!)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I think low 30s is more than possible within 12 months for the Labour clown car.

    They have three or four easy losses plus an dangerous inability to keep their mouths shut.

    If Labour's poll rating drifts down, I'd expect the Conservatives' poll rating to drift down too. Fear of Jeremy Corbyn is keeping some voters on board. If they conclude he's not a threat, those voters will consider other options.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,157
    I've laid a GOP majority at 1.99 on Betfair, they've been spanked in special elections thus far.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,466
    edited July 2018

    King Cole, yes, but Mr. T earnt his fortune by being a successful author, rather than murdering a young lad sent to him for protection, and then nicking said child's money.

    Er...........

    I gather that’s something to do with the play!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174
    Roger said:

    My spelling's all over the place. Yesterday I wrote an importtant email in a hurry and as it was sending I realised I'd written 'laytest' instead of 'latest'. An error so bad that it goes beyond a mere spelling mistake. I couldn't decide whether to immediately email a correction which seemed a bit over sensitive or whether to leave it and know that a potential client would think me a moron
    When I was working, I had a policy of not sending an email immediately, even if it was urgent. I would type, save it as a draft, and move onto something else for a while. Then I would go back, proofread it, and send it.

    I'd often pick up problems, some of them embarrassing. Worse were the times I'd do this and still end up sending emails with mistakes!

    (It was also surprising how often I'd realise I'd written the email in the wrong tone, or even that the email wasn't really necessary.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,969
    Scott_P said:
    Wow - I agree with Anna for a change
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,415
    King Cole, yes.

    I considered a spoiler alert, but the play's nearly two and a half thousand years old...

    Mr. Jessop, sometimes I do that, if time isn't an issue.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,169

    I called this months ago.

    Theresa May and European Union leaders backed plans at a late night Brussels summit to keep British MEPs in the European Parliament if Brexit is delayed past the March 29 2019 deadline, The Telegraph can reveal.

    The revelations risk destabilising an already divided Cabinet ahead of a crunch Chequers meeting on Friday to hammer out a British Brexit vision. At a Conservative fundraiser on Monday, Mrs May issued a desperate pleas for unity.

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064272568213505?s=21

    https://twitter.com/jamescrisp6/status/1014064856620785664?s=21

    I'm sure in that instance Farage & his kameraden will stand down as a matter of principle.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,174

    King Cole, yes.

    I considered a spoiler alert, but the play's nearly two and a half thousand years old...

    Mr. Jessop, sometimes I do that, if time isn't an issue.

    Few things can't wait ten minutes. Especially when the recipients end up being in meetings ...

    IMO this is one of the biggest problems with things like Twitter - it's too easy to write in haste.
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