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Pro_Rata said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

dixiedean said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.

A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government

I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?

Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate

Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?

I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics

Thought it was wheat she specialised in

Me and my spelling - Maze is the word !!!

Shhhh, we all thought it was a decent pun

I wish I was that subtle

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

MarqueeMark said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.

A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government

I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?

Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate

Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?

I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics

That is a brilliant pun - for the girl who ran through corn fields.....

I wish I was that clever - maybe I should not have corrected it to maze and just basked in my pun

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.

A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government

I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?

Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate

Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?

I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics

Except Corbyn agrees almost verbatim with May's position on Brexit

In another universe, one where Corbyn isn't trying to obfuscate his position to keep his Remainer majority onboard, the UK would have had a much stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations if the PM and the Leader of the Opposition spoke to Brussels with one voice.....

As it is, Corbyn would probaly settle for a harder Brexit than May.

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

https://twitter.com/theothebald/status/1011927700913651712?s=21

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

... or electors.

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

currystar said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Corbyn is just shouty and a million miles away from being a prospective PM.

A decent labour leader would be devastating for this government

I am still at a loss to understand why people think this is a disatarous Government. As I keep saying their is full employment and Britain is booming. How does this Government compare to say Thatchers Government in 1981?

Brexit is chaotic and is the only act in Town. The next few months upto March 19 will determine the political climate

Can you imagine a situation when Brexit would not be chaotic, especially with the "we must punish Britain" attitude of the EU?

I would agree and how TM and the government chart the course through this maize will be the defining moment in politics

Except Corbyn agrees almost verbatim with May's position on Brexit

In another universe, one where Corbyn isn't trying to obfuscate his position to keep his Remainer majority onboard, the UK would have had a much stronger hand in the Brexit negotiations if the PM and the Leader of the Opposition spoke to Brussels with one voice.....

As it is, Corbyn would probaly settle for a harder Brexit than May.

Though most of his backbenchers would not

HYUFD said:

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

So we can add Harley-Davidson to the list of businesses where Brexiteers know better than their executives...

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Unfortunately his base were so angry they wanted a moron.

edmundintokyo said:

This is all over Twitter but is there a source showing this person actually said this? It seems to be lots of people quoting each others' quotes...

Presumably we will get a correction, or retraction, or confirmation in due course

MaxPB said:

Update on the London housing market in North West London - ask for an unreasonably large discount. You'll probably get it. I managed to get 15% off the asking price for my place and a friend just got 10% off her place. Really solid discounts, a real buyers market in London.

It's also allowed me to get a house with a garden instead of a flat which is great for summers like these and for having kids etc...

Well done, good to hear you've found a place for you and yours. Near exchange or completion yet ?

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

This is all over Twitter but is there a source showing this person actually said this? It seems to be lots of people quoting each others' quotes...

Presumably we will get a correction, or retraction, or confirmation in due course

Call me old-fashioned but it seems like a good idea to get a general idea of whether something is true before you share it.

edmundintokyo said:

Call me old-fashioned but it seems like a good idea to get a general idea of whether something is true before you share it.

Ha!

ROFL!

PSML!

Where were you during the Referendum?

Dura_Ace said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

Have you just made that up?

Nope

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/29f24644-78f1-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/13/donald-trump-harley-davidson-bikers-motorcycle

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

As William Glenn pointed out earlier... we haven't left yet

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

logical_song said:

HYUFD said:

logical_song said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

... or electors.

Trump's base still gives him a big approval rating

.... and how about you?

I am not American but would have voted for Hillary over Trump and would vote for Biden over Trump but Trump over Sanders or Warren or Harris

Pulpstar said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

As William Glenn pointed out earlier... we haven't left yet

@WilliamGlenn's Brexit bet with SeanT is looking good.

HYUFD said:

logical_song said:

HYUFD said:

logical_song said:

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/tinsleman/status/1011650312300621825

Most Harley Davidson riders are Trump voters though, not a good idea to annoy your consumers

... or electors.

Trump's base still gives him a big approval rating

.... and how about you?

I am not American but would have voted for Hillary over Trump and would vote for Biden over Trump but Trump over Sanders or Warren or Harris

Thanks, but I can't see how Sanders or Warren or Harris could possibly be any worse than Trump.

Scott_P said:

edmundintokyo said:

Call me old-fashioned but it seems like a good idea to get a general idea of whether something is true before you share it.

Ha!

ROFL!

PSML!

Where were you during the Referendum?

It certainly doesn’t apply to you.

You just copy and paste whatever comes into your twitter feed that you think supports your position on here.

It would be quicker to keep a list of British institutions that Leavers don't regard as treacherous.

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Alistair said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Alistair, the dangers of political segregation and factionalism are not minor, we need only look at the Peloponnesian War and intra-city infighting to see how that can go.

Or, for that matter, the politics of Clodius and Milo.

Edited extra bit: misspelt Clodius.

When Joe Biden was turned away from a bakery in 2012 the owner was hailed as a champion of free speech and choice.

When the same is done to Sanders it is the end of civility and the collapse of civilisation.

Hardly the end of civilisation, but undoubtedly oafish behaviour in both cases.

I think denying people commerce or employment based on account of their political beliefs, almost always so those providing it can provide a signal of their own political beliefs to others, is an ugly development in our democracy.

Pre-1933 Germany had that kind of culture, where all the political parties had their own sports and cultural organisations, and their own paramilitary organisations, and people were encouraged to trade only with their own faction.

Glad that ended well then.

AlastairMeeks said:

It would be quicker to keep a list of British institutions that Leavers don't regard as treacherous.

I see you included the whole list in your post.

AlastairMeeks said:

It would be quicker to keep a list of British institutions that Leavers don't regard as treacherous.

Wetherspoons ?

Scott_P said:

Casino_Royale said:

You just copy and paste whatever comes into your twitter feed that you think supports your position on here.

Yep. I don’t know why the moderators let you get away with it.

Plato was warned, and eventually banned, for doing similar.

If we want to follow the ins and outs of your prejudices we can follow you on Twitter, thank you.

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

felix said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .

Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?

I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?

Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?

Charles said:

David_Evershed said:

BBC reports "Heterosexual couple win right to civil partnership"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44627990

Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?

When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.

In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.

I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.

But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)

Did I not read on here that the quite elegant concept of civil partnership was originally proposed by your good self?

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011962871650160644

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?

Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?

The Lord Rose argument

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?

Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?

The Lord Rose argument

That was on the third day wasn't it?

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?

Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?

The Lord Rose argument

From Day 1 of the Remain campaign. Funnily enough he was was never heard from again.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1011962871650160644

Props to whoever managed to stop the Donald taking the bait.

Awkward,

https://order-order.com/2018/06/27/dent-coad-election-expenses-statement-dobs-herself-in/

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

Suppressed even.

But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.

Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.

Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.

So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.

Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

A point we have covered already. Wages grew by 50% in five years. How much the hell do you want wages to have risen over the past five years? And this was with the presence of foreigners. Wasn't the argument that foreigners were supposed to have kept wages stagnant?

Or are you saying vote Brexit for 100% wage increases?

I was just pointing out that wages can be surpressed even when they are rising.

Don't disagree. I wrote my first post in a flush of excitement although there is a grain of an argument that wages rising by 50% can't sensibly be called suppressed.

O/T

Does anyone expect Germany to be knocked out of the World Cup today?

DavidL said:

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

Suppressed even.

But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.

Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.

Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.

So we can listen to the endless stories about how no one want to invest in the UK anymore or we can look at the figures showing we still get the largest share of direct foreign investment in Europe, we can listen to anecdotes (and that is being polite) about the inevitable closure of our car industry or we can look at the figures @another_Richard linked to showing that investment was at record levels last year and in Q1 of this year, we can look at examples of where wages have gone up or we can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.

Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.

Every cheap foreign sparky has hundreds of satisfied customers, many of them also working class

https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1011965901690765312

Sandpit said:

Charles said:

David_Evershed said:

BBC reports "Heterosexual couple win right to civil partnership"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44627990

Who ever thought homosexuals should have the right to a civil partnership but not heterosexuals?

When the law was drafted the rights/obligations of civil partnership were identical to those of a civil marriage. They didn’t use the term because it has a lot of significance to the religious among us.

In that context no one in the service thought about it - because from a rational perspective - there is no difference.

I guess they didn’t expect a couple of weirdos who wanted to be partners but not married because they didn’t think “marriage” appropriately described their relationship.

But the outcome is the right place (and actually they should just merge the two concepts)

Did I not read on here that the quite elegant concept of civil partnership was originally proposed by your good self?

I am all for equality of marriage opportunity but I can't help feeling that case was completely absurd and the fact it ended up in the Supreme Court something of a disgrace. The complaint, apparently, is that marriage is patriarchal. Well, only if the couple want it to be. It seems another example of the professionally offended getting a gold star rather than the flea in their ear that they deserved.

JonnyJimmy said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.

We have two polish out of a workforce of 75, not really Chock-Full

TOPPING said:

felix said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

And I would suggest you move on. Both sides were crap. There was a clear result. Time to make the best of it .

Good advice, should Nigel Farage have taken it in 1975?

I'm a Tory voter god help me and I can assure you that should Labour win in 2022 I won't "move on and make the best of it". I will continue to point out the utter crapness of the decision made by the British Public. Especially here on PB when people need telling twice.

When is the second post?

JonnyJimmy said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.

It must be the weather. I could kill for an Almond Magnum.

TOPPING said:

JonnyJimmy said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

@Topping you're getting currystar mixed up with an ardent brexiteer.

I am just trying to work out how on earth there can be Poles present in a workforce and there to have been wage inflation also.

My capitals were to catch the attention of our PB Leavers.

Hmm well don't forget if someone from Poland arrived say 5 years ago then they count as z big fat zero in this year's migration statistics.

They will still have helped to suppress wages participate in a 50% wage increase over those five years, though.

Well if there is less supply of polish sparks then the overall spark supply decreases - so assuming demand remains the same then wages might have go up yet further for the remaining electricians.

Or projects will be held up by skill shortages!

Lol - you and Topping et al are so clearly desperate for the Brexit slump to destroy the country the continuing delay must be so frustrating.

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

I think the term is chock-full. 'Choc full' might sound like you're referring to the colour of the foreigners.

It must be the weather. I could kill for an Almond Magnum.

Not as big as they used to be...I remember when they were thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhissssssssssssssssssssss big.

DavidL said:

Foxy said:

DavidL said:

Pulpstar said:

DavidL said:

Charles said:

TOPPING said:

felix said:

Foxy said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

TOPPING said:

Pulpstar said:

I would worry about PB if PB Leavers actually understood what I posted.

My point to @currystar was that his business is choc full of foreigners and, despite the fact that said presence of foreigners is supposed to have suppressed wages, whereas there was a 50% wage increase while they were there.

So the point that foreigners suppress wages which was one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit...was not true.

That’s just wrong (as a matter of maths and language).

If wages were expected to increase by 100% but, because of the presence of foreigners, they only increased by 50% then wages are definitely surprised even if they are increasing

Suppressed even.

But it does appear that @currystar is in something of a hotspot. Average wages actually fell last year in real terms and only started to grow again this year.

Anecdotally I've heard Milton Keynes is experiencing a real housing boom btw.

Well we can either listen to anecdotes (which may well be perfectly valid individual experiences) or we can look at the figures.

So we can listen to the endless stories about how no onee can look at the figures for average earnings over the last 2 years.

Sometimes the anecdotes hint the official figures are wrong. They are worth considering. But it is impossible for anyone with any understanding of economics to disregard the effect on average earnings of the increased supply of labour or to ignore the fact that some gained from that by cheaper services but some lost because their standard of living was reduced.

Every cheap foreign sparky has hundreds of satisfied customers, many of them also working class

Undoubtedly. Possibly even some not so satisfied customers too. But if you are a sparky you lose out. It's basic.

Yep. Condemned to a 50% wage increase in five years, instead of a 100%? 200%? increase.