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That quoted sentence nails the EU’s attitude. They’re shit-scared of a divergent UK being a success.Mortimer said:
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.Dura_Ace said:
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.Bromptonaut said:
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling:
‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.0 -
The whole thing sounds a bit capitalist to me. Bands being paid. Tickets sold (well, a few dozen anyway), ice cream for the consumers etc etc.Sandpit said:
I wonder if some enterprising member can find a way of getting the accounts for the event made public? I’d quite like to know how much it cost them to pull in an A-List band at the last minute - even if they do have a single to promote this week.FrancisUrquhart said:Rather busy in here this lunchtime, how come we aren't all at Labour Live to see the Supreme Leader speak?
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Humiliating settlements rarely stick.williamglenn said:
The harder the EU play ball, the more divergent we'll end up becoming. Its the golden rule of Brexit....0 -
Le Mans 24 hour race starts in a couple of hours.FrankBooth said:Is there some other sport taking place?
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Moral victory for Australia against France.0
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This article analyses that claim.Mortimer said:
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.Dura_Ace said:
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.Bromptonaut said:
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling:
‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
https://www.politico.eu/article/britains-singapore-threat-philip-hammond-may-brexit/0 -
Hodges has briefly turned away from football to pass comment on Labour UnLive:
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By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.0 -
Betting wise, I could certainly live with that. Hunt a bigger payout.MarqueeMark said:Your next PM?
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Mr. Sandpit, I tend not to watch other motorsport, but is there UK coverage (ITV4?) of Le Mans?0
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If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.0 -
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Thankfully the BBC are reporting that no student work was being stored or displayed at the School. It had been displayed at a nearby venue which was unaffected. But the loss of the building is a real tragedy.ydoethur said:
And not least, a very serious blow for the Unviersity of Glasgow, and above all for those students who have lost work as a result. I wonder how may final year students will have lost three years of work and the chance of pulling together a decent portfolio for September?RobC said:
An electrical fault or carelessness from building contractors must be possibilities. Arson by some brainless moron inevitably can't be ruled out. A terrible loss for Glasgow and the nation.ydoethur said:
From all the aerial photographs I've seen, I don't think Pollock is being pessimistic. It looks awful. The entire roof has gone, the building will be a shell at best and the heat will surely have done significant and probably irreversible damage to the structure. Without joining the armchair investigators and shrieking 'arson' (apart from anything else I doubt if it was heavily insured) I will admit I am curious as to what has caused it.Theuniondivvie said:Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time.
Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'0 -
Parts are apparently being shown on Quest:Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, I tend not to watch other motorsport, but is there UK coverage (ITV4?) of Le Mans?
https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/entertainment/how-watch-le-mans-2018-on-tv-online-3678864/0 -
A crash Brexit is the shortest way to divergence. If the EU had any sense they'd propose a time limited, strung out transition.ydoethur said:
This article analyses that claim.Mortimer said:
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.Dura_Ace said:
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.Bromptonaut said:
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling:
‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
Parts of it haven't aged well - prepare to laugh at the bit about the 2020 election.
https://www.politico.eu/article/britains-singapore-threat-philip-hammond-may-brexit/
Because it gives them what they want, gives us what we need, and makes long-term co-operation likely.0 -
I still don't get what it means. If "humiliate" means we end up as a Third Country, as the EU call it, then we have only ourselves to blame.AndyJS said:
If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.0 -
So TUD informs me. That's about the only bit of good news in the whole mess.Richard_Tyndall said:
Thankfully the BBC are reporting that no student work was being stored or displayed at the School. It had been displayed at a nearby venue which was unaffected. But the loss of the building is a real tragedy.ydoethur said:
And not least, a very serious blow for the Unviersity of Glasgow, and above all for those students who have lost work as a result. I wonder how may final year students will have lost three years of work and the chance of pulling together a decent portfolio for September?RobC said:
An electrical fault or carelessness from building contractors must be possibilities. Arson by some brainless moron inevitably can't be ruled out. A terrible loss for Glasgow and the nation.ydoethur said:
From all the aerial photographs I've seen, I don't think Pollock is being pessimistic. It looks awful. The entire roof has gone, the building will be a shell at best and the heat will surely have done significant and probably irreversible damage to the structure. Without joining the armchair investigators and shrieking 'arson' (apart from anything else I doubt if it was heavily insured) I will admit I am curious as to what has caused it.Theuniondivvie said:Hell, looks like a good chance the the Mackintosh may be a complete goner this time.
Written in the heat of the moment, so hopefully over pessimistic.
'Lost Glasgow
Having tried, and failed, to get near the site, the latest, tragic word, comes from site fan John Pollock, who writes: "I’ve just left and the floors inside are falling and the buildings going in on itself.
"I can guarantee that it’s the end for the building. Even the fire brigade were saying they’re not saving the building - now it’s a case of damage limitation to the surrounding buildings"
I am weeping here...
And, for all you amateur 'fire investigators', already claiming it's an 'insurance job'; shame on you - men and women are still risking their lives...'0 -
Didn't do Kinnock any favours, certainly.rottenborough said:This is a good point about Jezzfest:
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Mr. Jessop, cheers (not sure what channel that is, but I'd only be dipping in and out, probably).0
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Sandpit said:
That quoted sentence nails the EU’s attitude. They’re shit-scared of a divergent UK being a success.Mortimer said:
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.Dura_Ace said:
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.Bromptonaut said:
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling:
‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
The idea of British divergence terrifies the EU.
There's a reason they put fences and barriers around communist regimes.
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I’ve said before that the deal will be Britain’s Treaty of Versailles.
That treaty started unravelling within 5 years of signing, and 15 years later was a dead letter.0 -
Says Blair Cultist
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The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
I think it’s on Eurosport in the U.K. I’ve got it on a US tv channel called Velocity.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, I tend not to watch other motorsport, but is there UK coverage (ITV4?) of Le Mans?
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Mr. Blue, still expecting a shameful May capitulation, or no deal, myself. Possible that'll lead to a drive for a second referendum.
Anyway, time to be off.0 -
Iceland are 12.5 to beat Argentina.
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Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
The roof of the O2 arena next door looks to have completely collapsed as well. Be a lot of very unhappy Foo Fighters fans today as they were playing there tonight.Sandpit said:Oh crap, that fire in Glasgow doesn’t look good at all.
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Are you expecting France to occupy the Brexit heartlands?RoyalBlue said:I’ve said before that the deal will be Britain’s Treaty of Versailles.
That treaty started unravelling within 5 years of signing, and 15 years later was a dead letter.0 -
Not me thats obsessed with Labour Live though is it?JosiasJessop said:
Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.
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From the photos, doesn't look like anyone is (except the Tories pointing and laughing)!bigjohnowls said:
Not me thats obsessed with Labour Live though is it?JosiasJessop said:
Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
No, but you're obsessed with anyone daring to criticise the glorious leader of your cult. especially when they're members of your own team ...bigjohnowls said:
Not me thats obsessed with Labour Live though is it?JosiasJessop said:
Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
He really does have very good political antennae. Dithering Theresa wouldn't have made the decision that quickly if at all.MarqueeMark said:Your next PM?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-445071350 -
Labour Live gets its own spoof Twitter account. As least I think it’s a spoof.
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018/status/10079680287205826600 -
And another fire takes out an historic albeit not iconic building:
Newport church fire: Building wreckage still smouldering
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Sad to see the damage done, I kind of like Glasgow - I was there last September, staying just a few minutes away from the Arts School.Richard_Tyndall said:
The roof of the O2 arena next door looks to have completely collapsed as well. Be a lot of very unhappy Foo Fighters fans today as they were playing there tonight.Sandpit said:Oh crap, that fire in Glasgow doesn’t look good at all.
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There is such a politically incorrect joke about two fat ladies could be made there...Sandpit said:Labour Live gets its own spoof Twitter account. As least I think it’s a spoof.
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018/status/10079680287205826600 -
They beat England at Euro 2016AndyJS said:Iceland are 12.5 to beat Argentina.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.137595130
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The UK becoming a very large economy comparable to or perhaps even larger than Germany is very much a possibility. Singapore plus plus plus I suppose we could call it. But it isn't something that will just happen. It would require a very interventionist government. It would also require one heck of a lot of immigration. Not sure it is what many Brexit supporters had in mind.Mortimer said:
Humiliating settlements rarely stick.williamglenn said:
The harder the EU play ball, the more divergent we'll end up becoming. Its the golden rule of Brexit....0 -
LOL, I think best politically incorrect joke goes to this one.ydoethur said:
There is such a politically incorrect joke about two fat ladies could be made there...Sandpit said:Labour Live gets its own spoof Twitter account. As least I think it’s a spoof.
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018/status/1007968028720582660
https://twitter.com/TheRedDigger/status/1007968363082125312
Right, Le Mans start to watch, back later to bet on the cricket.0 -
Wheras you??JosiasJessop said:
No, but you're obsessed with anyone daring to criticise the glorious leader of your cult. especially when they're members of your own team ...bigjohnowls said:
Not me thats obsessed with Labour Live though is it?JosiasJessop said:
Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
I don't think May is gambling or plotting or strategising - she is simply trying to move from day to day without crashing. It's unfortunate that the situation actually calls for a coherent plan. Even a cynical plan, or a plan with huge snags. Any plan.ydoethur said:
Ultimately if the UK has no deal with the EU the EU faces the following options;FrankBooth said:
Is it possible the British government wishes to destroy the DUP? Give them enough rope to hang themselves with? I wonder if they realise how dangerous a position Northern Ireland is in? They must know that a hard border in Ireland would create real problems and at the same time sabotaging a decent Brexit (from the point of view of rUK) would hardly get them much sympathy. Reliant on public subsidies from Westminster and with a leader of the opposition vocal in his support of Irish republicanism you'd think they might be worried.Bromptonaut said:
1) A hard border in Ireland
2) Customs checks between Ireland and the EU
3) No border with Russia, the Ukraine or Turkey.
May seems to be gambling that those three options are so unpalatable that the EU will cave in and throw Ireland under a bus. That article, which makes it clear the EU is busily blaming Britain, or at least everyone but itself and its inept negotiating team for this shambles, suggests this is a remote possibility but gross miscalculation has been a feature of May's premiership.0 -
Are they all Iceland supporters? Has everyone in Reykjavik moved to Russia for the next two weeks?FrancisUrquhart said:Now if you want to see how to do it...
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Yes that's also very possible, as I sort of noted in my other post on the subject.NickPalmer said:
I don't think May is gambling or plotting or strategising - she is simply trying to move from day to day without crashing. It's unfortunate that the situation actually calls for a coherent plan. Even a cynical plan, or a plan with huge snags. Any plan.ydoethur said:
Ultimately if the UK has no deal with the EU the EU faces the following options;FrankBooth said:
Is it possible the British government wishes to destroy the DUP? Give them enough rope to hang themselves with? I wonder if they realise how dangerous a position Northern Ireland is in? They must know that a hard border in Ireland would create real problems and at the same time sabotaging a decent Brexit (from the point of view of rUK) would hardly get them much sympathy. Reliant on public subsidies from Westminster and with a leader of the opposition vocal in his support of Irish republicanism you'd think they might be worried.Bromptonaut said:
1) A hard border in Ireland
2) Customs checks between Ireland and the EU
3) No border with Russia, the Ukraine or Turkey.
May seems to be gambling that those three options are so unpalatable that the EU will cave in and throw Ireland under a bus. That article, which makes it clear the EU is busily blaming Britain, or at least everyone but itself and its inept negotiating team for this shambles, suggests this is a remote possibility but gross miscalculation has been a feature of May's premiership.
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The only way Brexit will be humiliating is if we have vassal status, and the deal is overseen by a court from just one side. I think May is smart enough to realise that would be idiotic.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.0 -
Can Iceland maternity services cope with another Iceland run in a major football tournament?brendan16 said:
Are they all Iceland supporters? Has everyone in Reykjavik moved to Russia for the next two weeks?FrancisUrquhart said:Now if you want to see how to do it...
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Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
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Huh? I missed that story (admittedly I find football about as interesting as the sex lives of potatoes).FrancisUrquhart said:
Can Iceland maternity services cope with another Iceland run in a major football tournament?brendan16 said:
Are they all Iceland supporters? Has everyone in Reykjavik moved to Russia for the next two weeks?FrancisUrquhart said:Now if you want to see how to do it...
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Iceland fans are off...0
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9 months after Euro 2016 they had a major rush on.ydoethur said:
Huh? I missed that story (admittedly I find football about as interesting as the sex lives of potatoes).FrancisUrquhart said:
Can Iceland maternity services cope with another Iceland run in a major football tournament?brendan16 said:
Are they all Iceland supporters? Has everyone in Reykjavik moved to Russia for the next two weeks?FrancisUrquhart said:Now if you want to see how to do it...
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Do you get a discount if you purchase a reusable eco cup (at £12 a pop) ?Scott_P said:twitter.com/wallaceme/status/1007970772684541952
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She is. But she's also unwilling to accept no deal, the other side know we won't go to no deal so therefore that's all they're willing to offer us. Between no deal and vassal she's going to take vassal.Elliot said:
The only way Brexit will be humiliating is if we have vassal status, and the deal is overseen by a court from just one side. I think May is smart enough to realise that would be idiotic.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
It's almost as if the idiots who ensured zero preparation was done for no deal have never heard of Game Theory.0 -
Urrm, if you hadn't noticed I don't have a team - I'm not a member, or even particularly a supporter, of any political party. Perhaps you should try it ...bigjohnowls said:
Wheras you??JosiasJessop said:
No, but you're obsessed with anyone daring to criticise the glorious leader of your cult. especially when they're members of your own team ...bigjohnowls said:
Not me thats obsessed with Labour Live though is it?JosiasJessop said:
Says a cultist ...bigjohnowls said:Says Blair Cultist
(((Dan Hodges)))
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@DPJHodges
The thing about the Labour Live farce is that it isn’t - as the Corbynites claim - about a new kind of politics. It’s an attempt to underpin the Cult of the Leader. And that’s the oldest politics there is.0 -
Ah. Now I understand. I misread it as 'children's services' and I was wondering why child vulnerability increased because Iceland won a football match.FrancisUrquhart said:
9 months after Euro 2016 they had a major rush on.ydoethur said:
Huh? I missed that story (admittedly I find football about as interesting as the sex lives of potatoes).FrancisUrquhart said:
Can Iceland maternity services cope with another Iceland run in a major football tournament?brendan16 said:
Are they all Iceland supporters? Has everyone in Reykjavik moved to Russia for the next two weeks?FrancisUrquhart said:Now if you want to see how to do it...
https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/10079139909813903360 -
If she signs up for vassal she should be deposed and leadership candidates should tear up the deal. It is completely unacceptable to sign up for a bilateral deal where only one side oversees it.Philip_Thompson said:
She is. But she's also unwilling to accept no deal, the other side know we won't go to no deal so therefore that's all they're willing to offer us. Between no deal and vassal she's going to take vassal.Elliot said:
The only way Brexit will be humiliating is if we have vassal status, and the deal is overseen by a court from just one side. I think May is smart enough to realise that would be idiotic.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.
It's almost as if the idiots who ensured zero preparation was done for no deal have never heard of Game Theory.0 -
The crowds at Jezfest don't exactly look very diverse. Lots of white middle aged (middle class looking) folk.0
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Iceland score against Argentina.0
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I think there could be a lot of goals in Argentina matches.0
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Love it - "legs 11" - 55! Two not skinny wimmin - 44!....Sandpit said:Labour Live gets its own spoof Twitter account. As least I think it’s a spoof.
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018
https://twitter.com/LabourLive_2018/status/10079680287205826600 -
In that they resemble the Dear Leader.FrancisUrquhart said:The crowds at Jezfest don't exactly look very diverse. Lots of white middle aged (middle class looking) folk.
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I think they are singing Ohhhhh Jeremy Corbyn at the WC ;-)0
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Wow! That's extortionate - still if it's needed to save the NHS I'll take a dozen and see you in ER.Scott_P said:0 -
https://twitter.com/Coral/status/1007977697262362624tlg86 said:I think there could be a lot of goals in Argentina matches.
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Jason Roy - 101 off 97 to quiet questions about his place in the side.0
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JezFest Crowd hears Jezza has arrived at the venue....
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Played much steadier at the start today. He could afford to with Bairstow teeing off but he should remember innings like this. He is better than a bull in a china shop up front.ydoethur said:Jason Roy - 101 off 97 to quiet questions about his place in the side.
My wife asked who England are playing today. I told her Australia. "Not as difficult as Scotland then?" came the reply.0 -
Paine hit in the face. Roy doesn't run. Much better spirit about this series than in recent times.
And they are off again.0 -
Well the convicts are three first choice bowlers, first choice captain and vice captain and two top batsmen light.DavidL said:
Played much steadier at the start today. He could afford to with Bairstow teeing off but he should remember innings like this. He is better than a bull in a china shop up front.ydoethur said:Jason Roy - 101 off 97 to quiet questions about his place in the side.
My wife asked who England are playing today. I told her Australia. "Not as difficult as Scotland then?" came the reply.0 -
Shhh...don't tell her that!ydoethur said:
Well the convicts are three first choice bowlers, first choice captain and vice captain and two top batsmen light.DavidL said:
Played much steadier at the start today. He could afford to with Bairstow teeing off but he should remember innings like this. He is better than a bull in a china shop up front.ydoethur said:Jason Roy - 101 off 97 to quiet questions about his place in the side.
My wife asked who England are playing today. I told her Australia. "Not as difficult as Scotland then?" came the reply.0 -
The convicts ought to be light their full first XI and still be better than the Scots.ydoethur said:Well the convicts are three first choice bowlers, first choice captain and vice captain and two top batsmen light.
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You really should get a lifeFrancisUrquhart said:JezFest Crowd hears Jezza has arrived at the venue....
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Seriously disrupted innings for Roy in particular. So many restarts. Makes it even more impressive. Just as well because England looked a batsman short to me today. Where is Stokes, by the way? Is he injured?0
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Somebody has lost their sense of humour.bigjohnowls said:
You really should get a lifeFrancisUrquhart said:JezFest Crowd hears Jezza has arrived at the venue....
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Damn Jason Roy out.0
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But we need 5 50-run partenrships not just 4!FrancisUrquhart said:Damn Jason Roy out.
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One other point to make is that they don't have their first-choice wicketkeeper in the side. Because Paine has to play, as the captain, Alex Carey is being kept out of the side. He might not be much better than Paine as a keeper but he is a much better and more aggressive batsman.0
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Good Question,AnneJGP said:Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
edited to change 2nd why to when
While I don't have a first hand account of why/how/when the Lib Dems became so pro EU, I think it was related to the merger of the SDP and the Old Liberal party.
Some, perhaps many of the most anti EU members of the Liberal party where also those who opposed the merger and left at about that time, ether to set up the 'continuation' Liberal party or politics altogether.
Meaning that after the merger it was one of the few things that a clear majority of the new party could agree on.
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I posted after he fell, not before, honestly!FrancisUrquhart said:Damn Jason Roy out.
A lot rests on Buttler now. Not at all sure why Billings is still in the side.0 -
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How could he manage to come up with that if beer was £5 a pint?Scott_P said:
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Woy and Shirley were always very keen on the EU. David Owen not so much. The SDP had a range of views within it, as did the old Liberal party. It changed after I had drifted away but Charlie Kennedy and Nick Clegg clearly played important roles.BigRich said:
Good Question,AnneJGP said:Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
edited to change 2nd why to when
While I don't have a first hand account of why/how/when the Lib Dems became so pro EU, I think it was related to the merger of the SDP and the Old Liberal party.
Some, perhaps many of the most anti EU members of the Liberal party where also those who opposed the merger and left at about that time, ether to set up the 'continuation' Liberal party or politics altogether.
Meaning that after the merger it was one of the few things that a clear majority of the new party could agree on.0 -
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LOL, keep imagining anyone thinks UK will be a success.Sandpit said:
That quoted sentence nails the EU’s attitude. They’re shit-scared of a divergent UK being a success.Mortimer said:
The contradictory EU concern that there isn’t a time limit for the backstop and that the backstop isn’t the end state is entirely illogical.Dura_Ace said:
He absolutely nails May's strategy. She is going to play for time until October, fuck the RoI and then hope the other 26 tell Varadkar to bend over and take it out of fear of no deal.Bromptonaut said:
The obvious solution is a time limited UK wide backstop.
This sentence is very telling:
‘The concern is that a huge economy like the UK’s, sitting on the edge of the EU, but not fully bound by the rules and obligations of the single market, could significantly undercut the EU economy.’
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Thank you, that's very interesting. It's certainly a very likely suggestion.BigRich said:
Good Question,AnneJGP said:Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
edited to change 2nd why to when
While I don't have a first hand account of why/how/when the Lib Dems became so pro EU, I think it was related to the merger of the SDP and the Old Liberal party.
Some, perhaps many of the most anti EU members of the Liberal party where also those who opposed the merger and left at about that time, ether to set up the 'continuation' Liberal party or politics altogether.
Meaning that after the merger it was one of the few things that a clear majority of the new party could agree on.0 -
My MA thesis in 1966 was on the Liberal Party and European Integration. The issue of Britain's relationship with Europe was much discussed in the late 1940s and 1950s. In 1950 the party held a special Assembly which called for world government and a united Europe. In 1955 the party passed a resolution which included the following sentence; 'The Liberal party is committed to work for a federal Europe. Federation means the establishment of a common government for the countries of Europe, while each country would continue to control its own internal affairs; the immediate step to this end is the European Common Market.' At the same time there was a group of free traders in the party led by Oliver Smedley who thought the common market was a protectionist bloc. However their proposals were decisively rejected and the party remained committed to Europe.DavidL said:
Woy and Shirley were always very keen on the EU. David Owen not so much. The SDP had a range of views within it, as did the old Liberal party. It changed after I had drifted away but Charlie Kennedy and Nick Clegg clearly played important roles.BigRich said:
Good Question,AnneJGP said:Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
edited to change 2nd why to when
While I don't have a first hand account of why/how/when the Lib Dems became so pro EU, I think it was related to the merger of the SDP and the Old Liberal party.
Some, perhaps many of the most anti EU members of the Liberal party where also those who opposed the merger and left at about that time, ether to set up the 'continuation' Liberal party or politics altogether.
Meaning that after the merger it was one of the few things that a clear majority of the new party could agree on.0 -
I have been thinking seriously about offering a thread about this but for me this article was one of the most significant for the UK's future for some time: https://www.businessleader.co.uk/london-tech-week-is-here-how-does-the-uk-shape-up-when-it-comes-to-tech-investment/46358/malcolmg said:
LOL, keep imagining anyone thinks UK will be a success.Sandpit said:
That quoted sentence nails the EU’s attitude. They’re shit-scared of a divergent UK being a success.Mortimer said:Dura_Ace said:Bromptonaut said:
The investment in IT in London is more than the 9 next European Cities put together. At this rate of growth you can see IT being a competitor with the City within 5-10 years. it will drive UK growth higher, probably higher than the EZ.
The more depressing point, Malcolm, is that London also got more than 80% of all the investment in tech in the UK. How does Scotland share in this growth potential? How does the nascent tech companies of Edinburgh and Dundee stop talent draining south?
I was delighted to see the SNP so clearly behind the expansion of Heathrow. We urgently need better connectivity to where the UK's growth is going to be for the foreseeable future. But we need to think about how we share this growth around a bit more.0 -
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Thank you for the reply. That was a dimension of the Liberal Party which completely passed me by - I was a couple of decades too young to be politically aware in the 1950s and I don't remember anything about that in later years. Actually, had I been aware of it I would probably have wholeheartedly supported it.slade said:
My MA thesis in 1966 was on the Liberal Party and European Integration. The issue of Britain's relationship with Europe was much discussed in the late 1940s and 1950s. In 1950 the party held a special Assembly which called for world government and a united Europe. In 1955 the party passed a resolution which included the following sentence; 'The Liberal party is committed to work for a federal Europe. Federation means the establishment of a common government for the countries of Europe, while each country would continue to control its own internal affairs; the immediate step to this end is the European Common Market.' At the same time there was a group of free traders in the party led by Oliver Smedley who thought the common market was a protectionist bloc. However their proposals were decisively rejected and the party remained committed to Europe.DavidL said:
Woy and Shirley were always very keen on the EU. David Owen not so much. The SDP had a range of views within it, as did the old Liberal party. It changed after I had drifted away but Charlie Kennedy and Nick Clegg clearly played important roles.BigRich said:
Good Question,AnneJGP said:Many thanks for the article, David. An interesting read as usual.
In my youth I used to be very taken with what was then the Liberal Party. I don't recall the EEC or its precursors being anything in UK politics at that time. Probably I lost interest in politics in general as I got older, so wasn't aware of it happening but I would like to know why the Liberals (or Lib Dems) became so totally in favour of the EU, and when that happened.
Does anyone remember?
Good afternoon, everyone.
edited to change 2nd why to when
While I don't have a first hand account of why/how/when the Lib Dems became so pro EU, I think it was related to the merger of the SDP and the Old Liberal party.
Some, perhaps many of the most anti EU members of the Liberal party where also those who opposed the merger and left at about that time, ether to set up the 'continuation' Liberal party or politics altogether.
Meaning that after the merger it was one of the few things that a clear majority of the new party could agree on.
My views on the EEC/EU have changed.0 -
Why is OJ wearing a badge that says 'artist'?Sandpit said:Caption competition winner!
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Exactly. That’s why Blairites are not gaining the kind of enthusiasm Corbyn does on the matter of Brexit with younger voters, despite their position being more in tune with those voters than Corbyn is. I think people say Labour needs a New Labour type who is just tough on immigration and eurosceptic because that’s the kind of Labour Party they’d like to face, and it’d limit the mainstream political spectrum to outloooks they are personally comfortable with.another_richard said:
An establishment Labour leader would not have the vote attracting policies on student debt and housing that Corbyn Labour has had.Casino_Royale said:On topic, with a leader like Cherie Blair or Emily Thornberry, I think the Conservatives would be polling around 35%. There are enough voters who disagree with their politics to form a solid block in opposition.
It isn't the 1990s anymore. I could only see the Conservatives polling in the 20s under May to a Labour comfortably in the 40s under a (new) New Labour leader if he/she was so eurosceptic and tough on immigration, and much better in leading a strategy on the EU negotiations, whilst also having answers to increasing public spending sustainably at home, supporting families, and increasing home ownership to attract younger voters, and the soft-Left, without scaring the horses.0 -
well I'm sure that will be a great comfort to us all as we slide into perpetual decline.AndyJS said:
If the EU decides to humiliate the UK for having the temerity to leave I would have thought that will only increase support for leaving with UK voters.rottenborough said:
By "humiliating", do they mean that we wont, after all, be having cake and eating it?williamglenn said:
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LOL at Labour Live. Corbyn’s people are so dumb. Why stage an event like this during festival season and a World Cup weekend. As if many of his voters are going to miss WC games to see Owen Jones et al speak.0
Aus 'won' in the same way that Corbyn 'won' in 2017. 
